Hear me out on this. For those of you who don't know the US is about to get a superhighway extending from Mexico thru the US to Canada. Supposedly this will be for free trade. At least that's what they're telling us.

Please help me understand this becase it doesn't make much sense to me.

We know the US is in for a huge correction on the dollar which will knock out our ability to keep buying on credit. We're going to stop buying so much junk from China et al.. The transportation system we have now is working just fine so far. If demand goes down for imports we won't need a new expensive transportation system. Could someone be planning on using these roads to invade on one hand and export our natural resources on the other?

This is going to be a huge highway with both train and wheeled vehicle access that goes right through the heart of our country. Its going to be built to support some large transport trucks, will it support tank haulers?

Roads have made or broken many invasions throughout history. "All road lead to Rome."

Is anyone else concerned about this?

Is anyone else concerned about this?

I'm shakin' in my boots!

Baron Max

Ahh... who the fuck's gonna' inade us? Mexico & Canada? They barely have armies of their own. (Illegal immigration jokes aside)

Besides, in order to get an army moving, an army which is big enough to concquer then occupy a nation as... well... big and powerful as the USA would take most of the industrialized world, working together, building the ships to ship the people to the west, raising and training the army and then some how doing it ALL under our little noses.

No.

~String

Ahh... who the fuck's gonna' inade us? Mexico & Canada? They barely have armies of their own. (Illegal immigration jokes aside)

Besides, in order to get an army moving, an army which is big enough to concquer then occupy a nation as... well... big and powerful as the USA would take most of the industrialized world, working together, building the ships to ship the people to the west, raising and training the army and then some how doing it ALL under our little noses.

No.

~String

So, ....ya' mean you ain't shakin' in yer' boots? :D

Baron Max

China could do it. They've got about a million surplus young men, too.

And if the US stops buying their stuff, for some reason,they'd have no reason not to.

But there would be little reason for them to use the road, when their prime targets would be west of the Rockies anyway - and they already have easy access to that area, through the ports, rather than a long and vulnerable journey in little trucks up toward the major Air Force bases.

Hear me out on this. For those of you who don't know the US is about to get a superhighway extending from Mexico thru the US to Canada. Supposedly this will be for free trade. At least that's what they're telling us.

Please help me understand this becase it doesn't make much sense to me.

It's time to reintroduce the French language to Mexico.

"Press '1' for French. Press '2' for Spanish". http://www.sciforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Mexico and Canada? I'd be more worried about the US invading Canada and Mexico, with some bullshit like ' Canada has WMDs and the al-canada blah blah blah'

Trust me, the US wont stop until it is the center of the world

Trust me, the US wont stop until it is the center of the world
You're a little late.

No, their conquest is still going. But it is a silent conquest. Not like Persia, or Rome. Not forced, but rather achieved through lies and propaganda.

No, their conquest is still going. But it is a silent conquest. Not like Persia, or Rome. Not forced, but rather achieved through lies and propaganda.
So, what you're saying is that there exists more compelling lies and propaganda than you are able to sell to your own adoring masses.

Penis-envy.

Only, you're not being silent about it.

Stealth-envy.

:D

Ever think it might be the U.S might be doing the invading? You guys are in for far more corrections than just your dollar...

China could do it. They've got about a million surplus young men, too.

And if the US stops buying their stuff, for some reason,they'd have no reason not to.

But there would be little reason for them to use the road, when their prime targets would be west of the Rockies anyway - and they already have easy access to that area, through the ports, rather than a long and vulnerable journey in little trucks up toward the major Air Force bases.

There is no way China could move an invading army across the Pacific Ocean. Their navy is sub par compared to the US and not build for such massive troop movement. Millions of soldiers are worthless if theyre an ocean away. Can you imagine the carnage that would ensue if China sent all those soldiers over on frigates? You think they could get through the Navy and Air Force?

There is no way China could move an invading army across the Pacific Ocean. Container ships. Wouldn't take that many, and anything fits - tanks, helicopters, anti-aircraft weaponry - - - .

No one inspects those things before they are unloaded, the large secluded area in which they are unloaded is fenced off, has huge warehouses, is under Chinese control, etc.

Container ships. Wouldn't take that many, and anything fits - tanks, helicopters, anti-aircraft weaponry - - - .

No one inspects those things before they are unloaded, the large secluded area in which they are unloaded is fenced off, has huge warehouses, is under Chinese control, etc.


Suddenly, the invasion force dropped dead...
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Container ships. Wouldn't take that many, and anything fits - tanks, helicopters, anti-aircraft weaponry - - - .

No one inspects those things before they are unloaded, the large secluded area in which they are unloaded is fenced off, has huge warehouses, is under Chinese control, etc.

And you think it's feasible such a massive operation could be undertaken without the US noticing? That's highly doubtful...

In order for your invasion to be successful, massive amounts of men and material would have to come ashore quickly and establish a beachhead, ala D-Day in Europe. Tankers ships pulling up to docks could never work quickly enough to do that. We'd get wise pretty quick to what was going on, what with our added eyes in the ports these days. Plus, a lot of men in a port are useless without air cover, something I see the Chinese unable to provide from thousands of miles away. They have, according to the Economist, no aircraft carriers. And jets unloaded from tankers on docks can't exactly taxi to a parking lot and take off.

China could do it. They've got about a million surplus young men, too.

And if the US stops buying their stuff, for some reason,they'd have no reason not to.

But there would be little reason for them to use the road, when their prime targets would be west of the Rockies anyway - and they already have easy access to that area, through the ports, rather than a long and vulnerable journey in little trucks up toward the major Air Force bases.

Sure... like shiping lanes AREN'T vulnerable... and more so, when you've got Seawolf Class and Virginia Class attack subs hunting your ships.

Container ships. Wouldn't take that many, and anything fits - tanks, helicopters, anti-aircraft weaponry - - - .

No one inspects those things before they are unloaded, the large secluded area in which they are unloaded is fenced off, has huge warehouses, is under Chinese control, etc.

Like China could somehow move enough men and supplies ALL THE WAY across the Pacific, in ONE big fleet (each tanker holding 5000 ground troops: that would be about 400 tankers just for troops [that's just to START the invasion, let alone occupy a hostile and highly armed society + army], then another couple hundred tankers for supplies ALL AT THE SAME TIME, including the support warships**, then cross the two largest strike groups of the most powerful navy on Earth with only a "green-water navy", and so on and so on). Never mind the fact that China's heavy industrial output is less than that of the state of Ohio... never mind the fact that China would have to spend roughly TEN times what it spends getting that idea off the ground and never mind the fact that China is one of the countries MOST spied upon by the west... they STILL couldn't do it because a society like China would STILL need to import most of the technical supplies to carry out a mission like that and such a build up would take, what... a decade or two? Then there's the whole "nuclear deterrence" thing.

Also, those warehouses that are "under Chinese control" you make sound like they are guarded by the Red Army. Sure.

Mexico and Canada? I'd be more worried about the US invading Canada and Mexico, with some bullshit like ' Canada has WMDs and the al-canada blah blah blah'

Trust me, the US wont stop until it is the center of the world

So, you're saying that the USA has a hankering on invading Mexico and Canada? Why? We're already unifying under the regrettable N.A.U... and it's the USA who's the loser in that deal.

~String
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China's navy is currently rated "green water" as in, it doesn't have the capability to cross an ocean. The only blue water navies on Earth are: US Navy, British Navy, Russian Navy and the French Navy. But, added all up by tonnage and by fire power, the USA still outweighs and outguns them all by almost a factor of two.

In order for your invasion to be successful, massive amounts of men and material would have to come ashore quickly and establish a beachhead, ala D-Day in Europe. Tankers ships pulling up to docks could never work quickly enough to do that. We'd get wise pretty quick to what was going on, what with our added eyes in the ports these days. Plus, a lot of men in a port are useless without air cover, something I see the Chinese unable to provide from thousands of miles away.
Like China could somehow move enough men and supplies ALL THE WAY across the Pacific, in ONE big fleet - - -

Also, those warehouses that are "under Chinese control" you make sound like they are guarded by the Red Army. Sure Doesn't have to be workable - just has to be a better alternative than driving up the Texas freeway to capture East St Louis, for the argument.

But as long as we're on the topic: They would not have to bring much in the way of logistical support (all available in the field, given success - from food to ammo), would only need a couple of hundred thousand soldiers, would not have to come in one big fleet, would only need good antiaircraft defense (not their own planes), and would have little trouble getting unloaded and stationed over weeks without being observed if careful - have you considered the circumstances of the huge Chinese offloading areas and container storage in the California ports ?

Tactical nukes are well within Chinese capability.

And no, the US is not keeping a good eye on the ports.

But this is of course idle - only to hijack the thread, to keep the objections to the Superhighway from being hijacked into goofiness too easily dismissed.

That road is several kinds of bad news, and I would hate to see the legitimate complaints associated with goofball stuff and dismissed by that association (as happened with the legitimate 9/11 concerns). That's all.

it's posible to take the u.s think about how many people hate the u.s,say the e.u went against them that's a hard job for them then the middle east would help russia would help. i think that america is on it's last legs at the moment.

But as long as we're on the topic: They would not have to bring much in the way of logistical support (all available in the field, given success - from food to ammo), would only need a couple of hundred thousand soldiers, would not have to come in one big fleet, would only need good antiaircraft defense (not their own planes), and would have little trouble getting unloaded and stationed over weeks without being observed if careful - have you considered the circumstances of the huge Chinese offloading areas and container storage in the California ports ?

What? Do have any understanding of what you're saying? Ammo and food are ready in the fied? Like the American public wouldn't rebel, burng bridges, waste fields and... well... do exactly what the Iraqis are doing except in this case it can be assured that the American public would be 100% rebelling against it, whereas the Iraqis are... what?... about 70% against it. In addition to that, the land occupied would be about four times bigger and have twice the population.

Ice-- you are normally quite deft in your debates, but right now you are being just clumsy.

First-- you are right, the USA isn't watching the ports good enough. I mean, the usual nonsense slips by and perhaps some really nasty things. But there is no way to slip in an army large enough to carry out a full scale invasion of the west coast. Then keep it supplied.

Second-- (As usual) you avoided the better parts of the arguements: how would China carry it out? No navy. No infrastructure. And all done SOMEHOW under the American noses (oh-- and this also presupposes that our various allies-- Japan, Australia, UK, etc, wouldn't catch a wiff of it and be involved in their own right).

I know that you were stating that an invasion by sea would be "better" than an invasion by land-- and I won't disagree with you there. But the rest of what you say, quite honestly, is pure merde.

Tactical nukes are well within Chinese capability.

No one is arguing against that. The USA currently estimates that China has about 45 Donfeng ICBM's capable of reaching the west coast. None are submarine based. All are silo or truck bases missiles with a range between 8-12 thousand Km. And, they certainly have the ability to use them.

That said, however, the China is about 20 minutes striking distance from the nukes harbored within the US Seventh fleet, and about 45 minutes from those stored within Fifth and Seventh Fleets as well as the land-based stockpiles kept war-ready on Diego Garcia island in the Indian Ocean, Incirlik- Turkey, in the Aleutians-- Alaska (all told, that's probably between 500 and a thousand nukes with SIGNIFICANTLY greater destructive payloads than anything China's got). About 30 minutes before anything from China hit the USA (and most of theirs WOULD make it), I'm certain that anything that once resembled "China Proper" would cease to exist to revel in the delight of taking out 30 or so American cities. Neither nation, it would be safe to assume, would be in much of a state to carry out much of an invasion-- but the USA, at least, would still have people left in it to repopulate the nation. China would be sterilized.

And no, the US is not keeping a good eye on the ports.

Who said they were? It's pretty tough to watch all of them with a desirable accuracy without stunting the economies of about 12 industrialized nations. No... but I am sufficiently comforted by the knowledge that any sub rosa invasion, no matter how well assembled, would never make it to the shores of the USA without media coverage. I mean, for Christ's sake-- there were reporters waiting for the Navy Seals when they beached off the coast of Mogadishu!

But this is of course idle - only to hijack the thread, to keep the objections to the Superhighway from being hijacked into goofiness too easily dismissed.

Sure... but it's still interesting conjecture on all our parts. Sometimes it nice to take a break from all that is going on elsewhere on Sciforums and have a "what if" discussion.

~String

Mexico and Canada? I'd be more worried about the US invading Canada and Mexico, with some bullshit like ' Canada has WMDs and the al-canada blah blah blah'
Canada is currently an unofficial part of America.
It is relatively unambitious, being only interested in maintaining the status quo and keeping its people fat and happy. This makes it both safe to have as a neighbor and a valuable trading partner because its very stability makes it fertile ground for corporations. Their businesses or ours, it doesn't matter. Its all fodder for the international economy.

As for Mexico, it is essentially a second-word kleptocracy that is poison to everything it touches. If it wasn't for the hoards of cheap labor goons it supplies our businesses, America would just as soon put down a ten mile thick wall of landmines across the entire border with the exception of a half dozen fortified checkpoints.

There is no concieveable reason for us to invade either. One is already ours in every way that counts and the other we want to scrape off our collective shoe.

Trust me, the US wont stop until it is the center of the world
We have been the center of half the world since WW2 when the superpower that was Britain dropped out of the game. We then became the center of the whole world when the Soviet Union tore itself asunder at the start of the 1990s after driving its lands to ruin.

There are other economic powers out there. There are a few with something to show for decades of military bootstrapping. But none has as much influence on the international stage. Love us, hate us... it makes no difference. No matter what, you know us and will deal with us, and be made richer and stronger for it, or you will fade into obscurity without our even having to lift a finger.


As for a country like China invading us, to even attempt it they would need a beachhead in either Canada or Mexico. Canada would never be inclined and Mexico would be worried that the Chinese would turn around and take them out immediately after they are finished with us. A very reasonable assumption. If China tried to forge a beachhead without their permission, they would face not only the local forces but also American reenforcements.

If somehow they could bribe Mexico's quite corrupt government, they would have to hide the transfer of troops and equipment for years. A damn hard thing considering that it would take only the lips of one chinese or mexican infantryman or paper pusher to blow the whole thing out of the water. And lets not forget that America has some very good skills when it comes to espionage.

And then they would have to face our military. While they may have numbers when it come to footsoldiers (something which I might add is limited by long supply lines), we are the gods of warfare in every other respect. If they take an area, they would be cremated with it.

What would they win even if by some miracle they won? Nothing but pain. When it comes to our own land, we make the islamist zealots in iraq look like the bloody french. However many generations they keep us under their heel, that is how many generations we would be slitting their throats in the night and sabotaging their every work.

There is no conventional army that's any match for our weapons systems. In any case, roads can be bombed and blocked fairly quickly if necessary.

yea but the whole of the e.u say and russia and china, you don't think that all them could take you and the e.u has most of the elite soldiers of the world s.a.s spetznaz etc..... i think that is to much for america to handle

The movie Red Dawn sort of comes to mind when I think about the possible scenarios. With as much drugs as we have coming into the US it seems crazy that a few pocket nukes couldn't be smuggled in and detonated at strategic points. Make sure the guys at the top have gold parachutes so we don't retaliate with nukes and voila! We get something nasty cooked up by God knows who.

Second-- (As usual) you avoided the better parts of the arguements: how would China carry it out? No navy. No infrastructure. And all done SOMEHOW under the American noses They have exclusive use of what, 2/3 of the world's fleet of container ships?

Given motivation, currently lacking, how impossible would it be to run ten or so through the big port near LA, with its large area of exclusively Chinese run facilities? No one opens those containers, sometimes for weeks. Another ten near San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, and Vancouver. Spread over a couple of weeks. Even at only 5000 soldiers per ship that's 250, 000. Might not need so many.

The anti-aircraft and radio jamming stuff is already in stock, from a month ago, in the containers marked "Hyundai", queued for customs. Ammo and gear for ten days of hard fighting.

As far as the reaction of the American public: I don't think I would count on the people of California adopting an immediate scorched earth policy, or even being successful if they did, on so little warning. And the military bases around, say, San Diego, Puget Sound, might fall more easily than some assume, from a surprise attack well planned and executed with desperation in force.

So the situation would be, within let's say 48 hours, that the main air and navy bases on the West Coast are in Chinese hands (along with large areas of the nearby major cities), the weapons in them are seized, and there are several thousand US hostages both military and civilian housed in them.

Then the situation gets sticky, no?

With as much drugs as we have coming into the US it seems crazy that a few pocket nukes couldn't be smuggled in and detonated at strategic points Pocket nukes are not all that easy to make, or carry. And the kinds of complicity and corruption necessary in the drug trade would not be dependable for something like that - look at the Haitian invasion: very few Haitians got through, traversing the same waters that were so permeable to the drug smugglers at the time.

I highly doubt China's military would have any success invading the USA. Just the same, there is no way the US military would have any success invading the Chinese mainland. They are both fortified heavily, although the US has better capability.

They have exclusive use of what, 2/3 of the world's fleet of container ships?

So what? As I mentioned earlier, how does the Chinese army unload all its gear and equipment without someone getting to the wise? Or to go even further back, how does it load them on tankers in China in the first place? You think we don't have intelligence assets there, or that our satellites wouldn't pick up on massive amounts of military equipment being moved to the ports for debarkation?

Given motivation, currently lacking, how impossible would it be to run ten or so through the big port near LA, with its large area of exclusively Chinese run facilities? No one opens those containers, sometimes for weeks. Another ten near San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, and Vancouver. Spread over a couple of weeks. Even at only 5000 soldiers per ship that's 250, 000. Might not need so many.

Then you still have an extremely difficult logistical hurdle to overcome. Essentially, you're fighting an enemy in its own backyard, with a supply line that is stretched across an entire ocean. That's impossible. The Chinese would make significant gains in the early days of the fighting, but that would be it. They couldn't quickly replace troops, repair vehicles or resupply their men, all of which the US could very easily do.

The anti-aircraft and radio jamming stuff is already in stock, from a month ago, in the containers marked "Hyundai", queued for customs. Ammo and gear for ten days of hard fighting.

They'll need more than 10 days. Crossing the pacific takes longer than that, and we're bound to start sinking the resupply ships, too ...

So the situation would be, within let's say 48 hours, that the main air and navy bases on the West Coast are in Chinese hands (along with large areas of the nearby major cities), the weapons in them are seized, and there are several thousand US hostages both military and civilian housed in them.

Then the situation gets sticky, no?

Yes, it's a nice scenario for a screenplay, but has little military practicality. Even the Japanese in WW II realized invading Hawaii or the West Coast and holding them was out of the question until they had a nearby base of operations. In the end, they couldn't hold onto one (the Aleutians). The logistics of supply and the amount of men necessary to hold it was just too difficult...

Lets say you get the ships to either our ports or coastline and they start releasing troops. At this point, they are limited to infantry because tanks or other land vehicles (even if they had many) are slow to offload and difficult to transport and zero military aircraft (military aircraft coming our way are barely given a warning before being blown to hell). Within a handful of minutes, everything within the distance infantry could possibly move in said quantity of time will be gone due to air bombardment. All other Chinese vessels, docked or not, anywhere near american space will not be far behind.

This isn't the dark ages anymore. The number of troops matters little when the other guy measures enemy casualties in square miles rather than soldiers.

Also, do you really think we wouldn't notice every Chinese controlled ship coming at us at the exact same time? Do you think China's government could censor every word spoken over a phone or typed on a computer by every one of their citizens... without the silence tipping us off that something was wrong? You can't keep the massing of a bloody invasion force hidden from your own people.

Well these days there are not many attrition wars fought. A force of 100 can defeat a force of 100,000 if they are equipped right, technology does play a huge role on the modern battlefield

The Chinese would make significant gains in the early days of the fighting, but that would be it. They couldn't quickly replace troops, repair vehicles or resupply their men, all of which the US could very easily do. Replacing soldiers would be a problem, but if their significant gains included the military bases near the big shipping ports on the west coast, they wouldn't need much resupply otherwise for quite a while.

And they'd have hostages to trade. Plus their government knows how to take out satellites, so the refuge behind the Rockies would mean something.

Again, they'd be desperate - or they wouldn't be doing this in the first place. So we can assume hard negotiations.

Aliens. That's right lotsa aliens will invade via that highway. It don't worry me I don't live in US. Mwahaha...

Replacing soldiers would be a problem, but if their significant gains included the military bases near the big shipping ports on the west coast, they wouldn't need much resupply otherwise for quite a while.

Says WHO, Ice? You're clueless! Re-supply is the biggest chunk of any invaision. Just look at the USA in Iraq! The bulk of what we've spent there is on HOLDING the enemy.

Also your statements that "Californians wouldn't conduct a scorched Earth" policy is also ridiculous. In any event, rather than loose the entire west coast, the USA would not hesitate to tactically nuke a city.

You keep dismissing the importance of a NAVY. Under current operations, the NAVY carries out the bulk of the protecting of shipping lanes. The worlds Two largest navies are the USA and UK... the third, fourth and fifth are the Russian, French and Japanese respectively. How do you get your ships past those ones as well. Don't fool yourself into believing that the Japanese and Russians wouldn't be a little worried that he 1.2 billion Chinese wouldn't be knocking at their doors in a few years too.

And they'd have hostages to trade. Plus their government knows how to take out satellites, so the refuge behind the Rockies would mean something.

Hostages? You're grasping at straws.

And, you are right, satellites COULD be taken out, except, once again ice, you are missing the point. The satellites would have to be taken out BEFORE the build-up not after. If they took them out two years before the buildup, what kind of a message do you think that would send to the USA?

Again, you didn't address the issue of the American, British, S. Korean, and Japanese intelligence assets on the ground in China that would indicate a military buildup.

You also failed to addres the issue of the fact that the heavy industrial output of China is less than that of the state of Ohio? How do you supply an army when you'd be facin the USA, Australia, Canada, Japan and the UK in any invasion?

Again, they'd be desperate - or they wouldn't be doing this in the first place. So we can assume hard negotiations.

Or, we can assume that we'd be laughing them back from our side of the Pacific.

~String

Says WHO, Ice? You're clueless! Re-supply is the biggest chunk of any invaision.

I'm not making myuself clear: this would not be a huge, mechanized invasion. It would be maybe a couple of hundred thousand soldiers with farily light weapons, using surprise to capture the large US military bases on the west coast.

If successful, resupply would be unnecessary for several months - even years. Heavy weapons and machinery would be captured. Hostages would be numerous, and newsworthy. The situation then would be - interesting. Destroying cities to save them is not something Americans have had to ponder with regard to their own cities and citizens.

Now the preparations in China would be vulnerable to spies, etc - but maybe not as much as people assume. The US, even the Japanese and Korean, intelligence services have a poor track record in this area. Iran managed to acquire a modernized air force without ringing any alarms, for example, until one day someone took a picture of an air refueling involving planes and capabilities they weren't thought to possess.

I don't think any of this is likely, even remotely likely. But impossible?

The hostile invasion is the rise of international corporate power that undercuts American workers. NAFTA is just one facet of this. If Mexican truckers are allowed to deliver to the US from Mexican ports, then forget about our port worker's unions, forget regulations about transportation safety, forget good wages.

The US has many nukes but they are controlled by a very small number of people. If those people get killed or bought off those nukes are paperweights. If weapons are taken away from US citizens like the gun nuts fear will happen then the work of an invading army will be much easier, especially if many local governments are bought off due to strong influence from Mexico. The American fleets are very powerful but a few warhead carrying cargo ships could probably knock them out in short order.

I've heard President Roosevelt was given lots of notice prior to the Pearl Harbor attack. He let it happen and afterwards Americans were ready for war.

Corporate power sort of reminds me of the trade federation in the new star wars movies. It seems highly financed, devious, and ultimately stupid. I suspect they are being used by someone else to set us up for something beyond their P & E understanding.

The hostile invasion is the rise of international corporate power that undercuts American workers. NAFTA is just one facet of this. If Mexican truckers are allowed to deliver to the US from Mexican ports, then forget about our port worker's unions, forget regulations about transportation safety, forget good wages.

Right, or as a pundit quipped this weekend, globalization means everybody gets to become part of the Third World.

an invasion wont come that direct, the USA and the UK have already been invaded, terrorists and militant groups are already at war from the inside. the invasion has already taken place through immigration and assylum seeking.

our leaders have already failed to stop an invasion. and the funny part is that our governments are paying them in welfare to do it aswell.

its too late to stop it, our western leaders are complete morons, they are a joke as far as warfare tactics are concerned. we are housing and funding the people who are at war with us. now im not saying i think we are in the right. i hate what our governments are doing in the world. but i think its safe to say that we have made a huge mistake.


peace.

This is going to be a huge highway with both train and wheeled vehicle access that goes right through the heart of our country. Its going to be built to support some large transport trucks, will it support tank haulers?

Roads have made or broken many invasions throughout history. "All road lead to Rome."

Is anyone else concerned about this?

No. The Yanks could take Canada and Mexico without much of a fight anyway. Denmark could give the Canadians a pasting these days, frankly.