In one sentence please.

one sentence?! Bastard!:D

OK:

"you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't"

can I give you an answer of more than one sentence?

Roses are red, violets are blue
Women are bitches and so are you

Originally posted by Flores
Roses are red, violets are blue
Women are bitches and so are you

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Women should be obscene and not heard.
Groucho Marx (1890 - 1977)

What is most beautiful in virile men is something feminine; what is most beautiful in feminine women is something masculine.
Susan Sontag (1933 - ), Against Interpretation, 1966

When a woman marries again, it is because she detested her first husband. When a man marries again, it is because he adored his first wife. Women try their luck; men risk theirs.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900), The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891


There's nothing sooner dry than women's tears.
John Webster (1580 - 1625), The White Devil (1612)



Women have served all these centuries as looking-glasses possessing the magic and delicious power of reflecting the figure of a man at twice its natural size.
Virginia Woolf (1882 - 1941), A Room of One's Own (1929)


Whether they give or refuse, it delights women just the same to have been asked.
Ovid (43 BC - 17 AD)


Men make the mistake of thinking that because women can't see the sense in violence, they must be passive creatures. It's just not true. In one important way, at least, men are the passive sex. Given a choice, they will always opt for the status quo. They hate change of any kind, and they fight against it constantly. On the other hand, what women want is stability, which when you stop to think about it is a very different animal.
Eric Lustbader, The Kaisho


Women and cats do as they damned well please, and men and dogs had best learn to live with it.
Alan Holbrook


Women! Can't live with them...pass the beer nuts.
Norm (Cheers)


HERE (http://www.quotationspage.com/search.php3?Search=women&Author=&page=4)....knock yourselves out.



:D

now I was orginally going to post something that would make it seem like I understand women, but then I realized, I dont understand women, and I would cause more pain for myself and others.

1) dating/flirting stage:

-always be as confident, and honest/genuine as possible.
-always compliment the little things, nails, shoes, etc again being genuine as poss.
-never take them to a rest/bar that you haven't been to before yourself.
-never talk about:
sports
cars
money

-invest in a manicure gents.....they will notice.
-same with shoes, spend a little money, you won't regret it.
-eye contact
-smile.
-always try to maintain some air of mystery about yourself
-never moan/bitch about your problems.

2) when you got 'em:
most of the above

-avoid hiding things, communication is always the best option.
-gents you must learn the art of foreplay, women are like water, they simmer for a long time before they get hot, and never underestimate the power of gentle kisses and hugs....they love it, they are generally a lot more tactile than us.
once you get to wraithy boy's level you will be able to get a lady hot just by kissing and carresing her in the right way, in the right places....without getting her kit off;)
-always ask what they like/want, where they like to be touched etc....then give 'em what they want;)

-foot massages gents.....aye carrumba they love it.

That's the kind of info I was looking for. Keep it coming.

hmmm....maybe I should write a book........

What I have learned about women?...Hmmmmm

They are human. After all the social games, gender differences, expected sex roles, comptetitive tendencies they are just like any man or more rather any human being. They want respect, to be loved for all their amazing qualities as well as their faults, food, shelter, clothing, success and hapiness.

and good sex, really good sex.

Don't listen to those macho bastards who think they know women

"If a man tells you he knows how a woman's mind works, he knows nothing"
Robert Evans

and don't listen to those feminazis. Those who perpetuate gender differences are those who need to learn. Men and women do lead separate lives but ultimetly they are human and succumb to the same pain and fears.

Always give a woman what she wants and never what she needs; she can afford her needs.

What have you learned about women?"

As a male, You can't reap, where you haven't sown.

sargentlard wins!

what i know about women:

no two women are alike, just as no two men are alike. yet they all (people) are essentially alike.

Some like being tickled more than others.

Women are all individuals: variances from even the most expertly drawn generalizations are so enormous and so common that the generalizations are nearly useless.

Not enough. But I'm working on it, honest.

but so far, I've been able to understand this:

They appreciate little things about a guy
-shoes (white are always the best,)
-cologne (not overpowering,)
-what he wears must be clean and tasteful (ie matching, but stylish)
-a little smile (or grin)
-clean hair
-clean, non-greasy face. A little stubble doesn't hurt
-a nice watch
-excellent posture
-MUSCLES (women love to wrestle me)
-cheek bones (I'm soo blessed)
-intelligence (ie, ability to say something intelligent, whether or not you are.)
-self confidence
...and sadly...
-height, which I am deficient in... :(

Most of these things go hand in hand. Women like to confuse these things with personality (when nearly all guys can put on this show)..:m:

hehehe wow some of these comments are really interesting your taking a very scientific approach I commend you for your efforts. :D

I’ve learned that it’s a rare woman who is interested more in the man than in what the man can do for her.

Zanket

I think you're starting to get the picture.

The less you care to get them, the more they care to get you.

I've gone through spurts of having three or more girls very happily offering up (I'm seventeen), and only recently I've noticed that every one of these spurts comes when I have stopped wanting a girl, stopped trying to get a girl and couldn't give two shits how I act in front of a girl. For the most part, I'm the jackass that people talk about when they say "nice guys finish last".

When I don't care about getting a girl I basically act as I do with men - everything I say/do is either for intellectual purposes or t find/enjoy humour. So a joke I make may have me look like nothing more than an asshole to one girl - but to her friend it some how makes her attracted to me. If I understood this any less I'd be completely useless. So far I haven't figured it out, I'm just rolling with it.

Point is - never look like you're trying. If you're trying, they know they don't have to try.

IMPORTANT: This only pertains to getting women! Once you have a girlfriend you care about, obviously you just act naturally and let her know you are trying to make her happy. Just always always always act naturally. Whether it's pre-girlfriend (when you just act like your natural, not-trying-to-get-laid self), or during a girlfriend.

Well...thats only true up to a point. If you want to move beyond the 'friends' stage, it's usually the male that has to initiate things. Unless these women are really horny.

mouse yelling.

Originally posted by yinyinwang
mouse yelling.

wtf?

Originally posted by Tyler
The less you care to get them, the more they care to get you.


I do agree with Tyler and i also think that women and CATS are very similar. For me men are like dogs and women are cats.

I also think that we can not come up with a generalization of women here. They are all different..cats

Don't all cats whine to get what they want?

Originally posted by ericfost
wtf?
see the thread "a mouse with mind"

"Well...thats only true up to a point. If you want to move beyond the 'friends' stage, it's usually the male that has to initiate things. Unless these women are really horny."

If by 'initiate' you mean make the two inch jump from almost kissing to making out - then yes I'd agree. But the majority of the times that fall into the category of what I was talking about, the girl has very readily made every move up until the last one even if I didn't give a single positive response. Women, I find, in the majority, do not really want a guy to do everything he can to get her. It looks sad and pathetic. And this isn't just women, if a girl is desperatly trying to get me it does look a little unattractive.

What I Learned About Women
by BigBlueHead

I learned that people try to categorize women and make general statements about them, as if this was insightful. They will say things like women like it when you are honest with them, as if men generally prefer liars. They will say women enjoy kissing and cuddling and sex, as if there was any group of people who did not. They say women like a neat guy who dresses well - but do you usually go after scummy girls? They say women go after you more when you have a girlfriend or are not acting like a drooling sex zombie - but back in high school most of the girls you pined after were other people's girlfriends (that's why you were pining after them usually).

Then they come out and say "Men are like dogs and women are like cats." I always thought that this went well with a line I heard once from a cats vs. dogs book - "Dogs are like bourbon and branchwater. Cats are like wine spritzers." Because you read it and think "WTF are you talking about?"

Do women hide under the furniture? Do they eat your goldfish? Do they bite your ankle when you don't clean their litterbox? Um, no. Women are actually nothing like cats; neither are men. Nor are men or women like dogs.

We share a couple of characteristics, like enjoying being in groups (which both dogs and cats do...), desiring comfort, pursuing food and sex as important goals. Breathing oxygen, having two eyes...

Women have mastery over the subtle use of power, men are no match.

~Raithere

Originally posted by Raithere
Women have mastery over the subtle use of power, men are no match.

~Raithere

If they didn't think through their dicks then they would be.

BigBlueHead
- but do you usually go after scummy girls?

Every time!! I LOVE them..

Raithere
Women have mastery over the subtle use of power, men are no match.

I couldn't agree more... Especially the scummy ones.

sargentlard
If they didn't think through their dicks then they would be.

True, so true. I recall a quote something like, "God graced me with two heads but cursed me with only enough blood to run one." :D

Women who describe themselves as "sassy" are usually fat.

For some reason, they like men.

women think with their heads,
guys with their dick, :D

theres girls,theres women and theres ladies
theres yes,no and maybe,
maybe means NO,;)

women expect men to know what they think,
women like slow long foreplay,

women like honesty,just dont tell them they are fat,no matter how heavy they are.

even young girls are way more mature than boys.

Originally posted by fireguy_31
"God graced me with two heads but cursed me with only enough blood to run one... ...at a time."

I always love these threads!

zanknet,
You do realize (I hope) that the responses in threads like these reveal very little to nothing about women, right?
All they reveal is information about the people that are responding to it.


If anyone tells you how to catch women, understand women or keep women happy, not only are they likely full of shit, but you shouldn't listen to them anyway.

The only thing women "look for" in men is what makes them happy.
What will make a woman happy varies widely from woman to woman.
If you try and be what this woman or that one wants you to be neither of you will be happy.
You should simply be honest and be yourself.
If X woman does not like the person you are, she will not be happy with you and you will not be happy with her.

Which would you rather be with...
A woman who you like, appreciate, respect, adore and are happy to be with...
Or a woman who is pretending to be those things?

I think that is what most men are missing.
They don't give women much credit and think they can fool women into thinking they are something that they are not.
Women aren't that damned stupid, and the ones that are... why would you want them?

A lot of people say that women are attracted to confidence.
You know what?
So are men.
You know what else?
No matter how good of a player/actor you are, you can not fake confidence in yourself if you are not being yourself and there is nothing less attractive and more pathetic than false confidence and cockiness.
Yes women do like confidence (as a general rule) that doesn't mean they like loud-mouthed cocky macho assholes (a LOT of people fail to make that distinction).
They like men that HAVE confidence, not DISPLAY confidence and wear it like a badge.
How do you HAVE confidence?
There is only one way.
Be who you are, be honest with yourself and others and respect yourself for who you are.
It really is as simple as that.

What will make a woman happy varies widely from woman to woman.

True, and you're right about what it boils down to. But evolutionarily, there are certain uncontrolable factors that the majority of women prefer. -- Darwinian something or other. Those factors are universal, between sexes and species.

Originally posted by Xerxes
True, and you're right about what it boils down to. But evolutionarily, there are certain uncontrolable factors that the majority of women prefer. -- Darwinian something or other. Those factors are universal, between sexes and species.

Granted, but the point was, why should that matter?
Would you want a woman to want you for who you are or for her to want you because of who you are pretending to be?

Pretending to care about appearance is better than not caring at all, I find. Especially with women.

And what about changing something which you are indifferent to? - such as the shoe colour white (which I've always preferred anyways,) or combing your hair once in a while and daring to be different from the typical neanderthalic man? Or how about smelling good because you feel more masculine?

Women don't necessarily respond to the individual things like shoes or combed hair, but what they represent: A real man that cares about himself. Once you start caring about your appearance, you feel better.

I never said that you shouldn't try to improve yourself or make you a better person.
Quite the contrary, in fact.
That is often what is required in order for you to start respecting and having confidence in yourself.

By you should only change those things if YOU want to change them for YOU.

Exactly. And one of the reasons you would want self-betterment is for procreation. We're running cirlces, you see.

I don't think we are.

I think we basically agree that wanting to improve yourself and work towards becoming the person that you want to be is a positive thing, but working towards acting like you are a person that you are not to "get the hot chick" or whatever, is not.

Short of it is...

Yes, you can land any woman you want if you play the right game.
However, keeping that woman happy and being happy with yourself will be impossible if the two of you are not right for each other.
So it is not only fruitless, but stupid and self-destructive to pretend you are someone or something that you are not in order to land that chick.

Also, I think we agree that true self confidence is attractive and comes from being honest with yourself, secure in who you are and proud of that person you are.

Of course.

I mostly agree. I'm not really thinking about the 'hot chick/bitch' scenario though, since my experiences have taught me better. My list may have sounded more like obsessing over details, but really, I don't follow templates. I only think that one can make conditions more favourable to landing not necessarily the 'hot' one, but the right one. As you said. More opportunities = more probability of success. And if you feel more optimistic about yourself, the honesty and confidence will come. I haven't got a pessimistic bone in my body.

EDIT: Well, actually I have many, but I've been trying to break them :)

Originally posted by Wraith
1) dating/flirting stage:

-always be as confident, and honest/genuine as possible.
-always compliment the little things, nails, shoes, etc again being genuine as poss.
-never take them to a rest/bar that you haven't been to before yourself.
-never talk about:
sports
cars
money

... Blahbity blah blah...


I read all of this and then threw up a little in my mouth.

Originally posted by one_raven
zanknet,
You do realize (I hope) that the responses in threads like these reveal very little to nothing about women, right?
All they reveal is information about the people that are responding to it.

Yes. That’s why it’s “what have you learned about women?” :)

when 2 or more fight over you.
run.
run far far far away.

when your fighting between 2 or more
choose the one most likly to like you back.

enjoy em while they last, easy come easy go.


its common knowledge that all smart cute guys are gay (im the expeption of course...)
and that any girl whos perfectly your type and likes all the same stuff as you is a lesbian.

"you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't" Nice one Wraith! :)

Mine would be 'They are sacred' (for the most part). However they need guidance because they are gay, and they are not all clean of soul, which can make a woman lethal. :)

Originally posted by Mucker
Nice one Wraith!

Mine would be 'They are sacred' (for the most part). However they need guidance because they are gay, and they are not all clean of soul, which can make a woman lethal.

Are you kidding me? We are gay and not all clean of soul? What pray tell would your definition of clean of soul be?

Mucker, I'm sure any woman would be lethal towards you if you told her she needed guidance because she was gay and had an unclean soul. I know if you told me that to my face you'd soon be on the floor begging for an icepack for your nether regions:). Does that mean I have an unclean soul? WOOHOOOOO!!:D



:eek:

What have you learned about women?
In one sentence please.

women are no different than men in most ways which is illustrated by the two genders forming couple relationships
and is best defined by the nature of the indevidual by outward expresion of inner qualities that are often very similar in many ways that define what is common and what is rare,
i prefer the rare women
:)

go Bells! :)


P.S
there is a big difference between "girls" and "women"
and a large amount of females never get past the stage of being a girl, just the same as most males do not get past the stage of being boys
:)

women are no different than men in most ways which is illustrated by the two genders forming couple relationships

No, we're different.
Very few women would make a statement as utterly idiotic as yours.
Women will have pathetic discussions like this one, but we also have the sense to keep them to ourselves and not display our pathetic-ness.
How many psychotic mass murderers have been female?
How many military geniuses have been female? Sigrid the Proud, maybe? A few other Viking women?
One can go on and on.
And remember, a true feminist tries to even the score by taking a SV-98 to the nearest clock tower and shooting hundreds of strangers. :)

The only reason that women have not been anything great is because men have held them down, not allowing them education, good jobs(if work at all) and military advancements (except in nursing) for thousands of years. Women can be and are better than allot of men that I know but are not given the opportunity to get ahead even today in many countries. Given the same education and freedoms that men have they could and would show the men they are just as capable of mass murders, being generals or great thinkers.

Not really...most women, evolutionarily, have the instinct to raise kids, and answer to the man that provides for her(though I don't know if I'd group Xev onto this list). Its the women who cause all wars and the men who fight. Clever and effective extermination.

one thing that is often sadly missed is the basic innability of most to look past the nurture aspects of people
once you get past that constrained thinking then you come to new realisations and better understandings

cosmictraveler:
The only reason that women have not been anything great is because men have held them down, not allowing them education, good jobs(if work at all) and military advancements (except in nursing) for thousands of years

Doesn't allowing oneself to "be held down" kind of preclude being great?
What an inane statement. So Spartacus would have been a great rebel even if he had not fought against the Romans who enslaved him?

Women can be and are better than allot of men that I know but are not given the opportunity to get ahead even today in many countries.

So they can be great warriors, it's just that people fight against them?

Given the same education and freedoms that men have they could and would show the men they are just as capable of mass murders, being generals or great thinkers.

How very enlightened. You might "give us" our freedom. Yay!
Name one great general, rebel or warrior who was great because they were given their freedom.
Contrary to Shakespeare, greatness is not thrust upon one. Only the potential for greatness is.

Xerxes:
Not really...most women, evolutionarily, have the instinct to raise kids, and answer to the man that provides for her(though I don't know if I'd group Xev onto this list).

What the hell sort of Jewish statement is that?
I presume you'll show evidence of this alleged evolutionary instinct.

Its the women who cause all wars and the men who fight.

Really?
WW1, WW2, Vietnam, the Finno-Soviet war, the American Civil war, the French and Indian wars, the Neapoleanic Wars - can you name one single female involved in the outbreak of hostilities?

Actually, how many wars were fought over or by women?
Sigrid the Proud's campaign against Christian invaders, Bodaeca's campaign against the Romans and that's about it. Even the Trojan war was a trade dispute, as any serious student (the kind that cites sources and checks facts, you know?) knows.

Its not a Jewish statement. The above example was anecdotal. I don't base everything on Judaism.

<a href="http://www.pinay.com/cgi-bin/forum_spc_Rel-FF.cgi?read=166">how women cause war</a>

not to say that I agree with any of this crap.

<a href="http://www.dukesatire.com/archives/10_21_02/articles/womencausewar.htm">a better link</a>

<a href="http://www.awakenedwoman.com/leslie_opinion.htm">you'll love this one</a>

Its simple: humans lived in tribal villages. Men hunted (etc), while women raised kids, did work around the villages, brought water. Certain 'castes' would want to preserve their genetics above those of neighboring villages, or would fight over hunting grounds so that the women could provide for the kids. If women demanded it, the men would go to war. Otherwise, then, what would they look like? Less than a man? They're pressured into the role of macho-masculinity, behind the scenes, by women. Its systemic extermination of inferior genetics. According to darwin anyways. Of course, its partly the males' fault for being dumb enough to give in, but humans are social. And if they'd rather not live solitary with less 'status,' then there isn't a choice.

When was the last time you saw a war or action movie without a woman involved?? They're fighting over the obvious. It comes down to the influence of women on the male mind...

It still works like this in many parts of Africa and the rest of the world. Football rivalries, pop music and movies.

And,

The trojan war was not a direct result of helen as it was the collective pressure of the women to get the better half of the resources to provide for kids, instead of peacefully resolving and *sharing* which the men could have done just fine with.

Even your beloved Nietzsche stands behind me!

Xerxes:
Its not a Jewish statement. The above example was anecdotal. I don't base everything on Judaism.

Yes, it is.
Women are not naturally subservient or stupid. Well, perhaps for inferiour races they are, but look at (again) the Vikings.

The notion that we should be is a construction primarily Judic. It served them because, being oppressed, they found it cathartic to take their weakness out on their women.
This is of course a natural and common human tendancy, exacerbated only by the especially Jewish instinct for revenge.

Its simple: humans lived in tribal villages. Men hunted (etc), while women raised kids, did work around the villages, brought water. Certain 'castes' would want to preserve their genetics above those of neighboring villages, or would fight over hunting grounds so that the women could provide for the kids. If women demanded it, the men would go to war. Otherwise, then, what would they look like? Less than a man? They're pressured into the role of macho-masculinity, behind the scenes, by women. Its systemic extermination of inferior genetics. According to darwin anyways.

Sexual selection favouring the man most adept at fighting is a different thing than causing warfare.
Conflict is necessary for more complex reasons. Of course they all come down to natural selection - what doesn't?

Of course the main motive warfare is to expand territory in order to better preserve one's genetic line. This is a far cry from your absurd, Judic statement about the causes of warfare.

And...Darwin did not write about such things. Sociobiology was not his main concern, so do not cite the man in an attempt to make your pathetic ass look smarter.

When was the last time you saw a war or action movie without a woman involved?? They're fighting over the obvious. It comes down to the influence of women on the male mind...

Not really. Doest the Bond Girl incite 007 to attack his rivals? No.

The trojan war was not a direct result of helen as it was the collective pressure of the women to get the better half of the resources to provide for kids, instead of peacefully resolving and *sharing* which the men could have done just fine with.

*Blinks*
You have no grasp of history. The Trojan war was a dispute between two formidable commercial powers struggling for dominence. The idea of women having a collective political pressure in ancient Greece is so laughable.

In any case, only one who has given up on life - the naturally weak and ready for death - would argue that an avoidence of war is always a good thing. The Greeks had this right, and virtue for them was not a matter of being peaceful and co-operative but a matter of being strong and above. Hence the notion of aret`e, hence the Trojan war itself.

Even your beloved Nietzsche stands behind me!

I don't recall reading his analysis of the Trojan war, and indeed since Schlieman didn't excavate Troy until the 1870s, Nietzsche would not have given a very accurate portrait of the origens of that war.

Women are not naturally subservient or stupid. Well, perhaps for inferiour races they are, but look at (again) the Vikings.

*Most* women are subservient when their judgement is clouded with 'love.' Its goes hand in hand with the nurturing instinct. They would do anything to protect their offspring, even lower themselves. Also, I suggested the opposite of stupid with the words 'clever and effective.'

The notion that we should be is a construction primarily Judic. It served them because, being oppressed, they found it cathartic to take their weakness out on their women.
This is of course a natural and common human tendancy, exacerbated only by the especially Jewish instinct for revenge.

I never said I agreed with this. You'll be dissapointed to hear that I'm one of those frustratingly unobservant Jews. Especially when it comes to women. I have no problems containing my urges when I see a hot piece of skin swim by. (unlike my Rabbi ;))


Conflict is necessary for more complex reasons.

Maybe. Could you name some?

This is a far cry from your absurd, Judic statement about the causes of warfare.

Its possible that I didn't explain myself clearly, but I still doubt you understand my point that women are inadvertanly responsible for warfare. They're not even aware and, usually end up protesting or urging the men to stop fighting. How can they?



And...Darwin did not write about such things. Sociobiology was not his main concern, so do not cite the man in an attempt to make your pathetic ass look smarter.

Okay. Keep in mind that I'm being vague to keep this short. I wouldn't want to be quoting lamarck or skinner in free thoughts..

Doest the Bond Girl incite 007 to attack his rivals?

Not exactly..but if you look deeper, you'll find women influencing the higher authorities.

Bond is an example of one of those men that (I was talking about earlier) who thinks for himself and is independant of social customs when it comes to women. We can learn a lot from him (even though he's imaginary :))

The idea of women having a collective political pressure in ancient Greece is so laughable.

I never said they had political influence. In fact, political influence one of the lowest and weakest forms that a person can have. Thats why we have political 'figureheads.' Economics, influenced by the pressure of women from all classes of society created enough tension to start a war.

Nietzsche would not have given a very accurate portrait of the origens of that war.

I was not referring to Nietzsches commentary on the war, but the nature and role of women. Not to say that I agree with all of his points, but he does make good generalizations when it comes to the common bleach-blond 'bitch'.

Xerxes:
*Most* women are subservient when their judgement is clouded with 'love.'

I'd say all are. And so are men.
Why do you think love is known as a weakness? It leads to accepting things that you normally wouldn't, becoming vulnerable and malleable.

I never said I agreed with this. You'll be dissapointed to hear that I'm one of those frustratingly unobservant Jews. Especially when it comes to women. I have no problems containing my urges when I see a hot piece of skin swim by. (unlike my Rabbi )

Holy shit, you actually ARE Jewish?
And here I was insulting you by implying that only your worldview is Jewish.
That's funny.

Maybe. Could you name some?

Self-betterment.
One learns ones limits by testing oneself against another, one becomes stronger knowing that you are stronger, able to defeat another.
Why do you think there is so much emphasis in heroic literature on the "fair fight" and "fighting against odds"?
Because the stronger a defeated opponent is, the stronger you are. The Scythians and Samaritans made trophies out of their opponent's scalps and skulls to remind them of this.

"How much" asks Tyler Durden, "can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?"

Not a whole lot.

Okay. Keep in mind that I'm being vague to keep this short. I wouldn't want to be quoting lamarck or skinner in free thoughts..

Because you're afraid to reveal how shallow your knowledge truely is?
Ignorence is not itself dishonourable. Worship of ignorence and pretending to know more than you do is dishonourable.

I never said they had political influence. In fact, political influence one of the lowest and weakest forms that a person can have. Thats why we have political 'figureheads.' Economics, influenced by the pressure of women from all classes of society created enough tension to start a war.

Your argument becomes more and more vauge. First rule of writing - always prefer the concrete to the vague, the factual to the metaphysical. But then, this way you can be shown to be wrong.
You've even resorted to rephrasing my statements and claiming them as your own. Tsk tsk.
It's amusing that the nature and role of women is being debated by a "man" who can't even argue a simple little thing online without pussying out and simpering.

I was not referring to Nietzsches commentary on the war, but the nature and role of women.

You do realize you're agreeing with a man who spent most of his life dominated by women and fled in terror from a brothel...right?

Not to say that I agree with all of his points,

*Yawns*
Tackle the one's regarding the origens of Christianity. That'll be some good entertainment.

but he does make good generalizations when it comes to the common bleach-blond 'bitch'.

Quit sounding like a wigger, that's just disgusting.

-Edit-
They do that to look Aryan. ;)

Women! Can't live with them, can't shoot them.

Love isn't a weakness. Can you show where you come up with that ?

Love is a feeling that is built on trust, understanding and honesty.

Where do you see that it is a weakness? The only weakness is from those who use love to try and fool others into believing that they are loved while only decieving them and manipulating them to gain control for ones own purposes.

I'd say all are. And so are men.

Are you implying that men and women are equally subservient? After laughing at the fact that women had political influence in ancient Greece?

Oh -- and love is not so much a weakness as it is the effect of a weakness, ie, being vulnerable and maleable(especially sexually). This is why men are weak to the seduction of women. You're looking at it backwards.


Holy shit, you actually ARE Jewish?

I know how difficult it is for existentialists to admit they have more in common with Judaism then against it.


Self-betterment.
One learns ones limits by testing oneself against another, one becomes stronger knowing that you are stronger, able to defeat another.

Point taken. For example, I know you'll likely slaughter me in this debate the way you usually slaughter your victims. Not because you're necessarily right, but the fact that your abstruse knowledge of philosophy and history can be easily manipulated to win *any* argument.

In wrestling, I don't need to use technique or chess-skills to beat my opponent. Instead, I use my endurance and freakish strength. If I can combine the two, I'll become unbeatable, and the only way I can do that is by loosing (maybe half the match) against people that have both. Next time I meet them, they may not be so lucky..

Admit that self-betterment, if even subconsciously comes down to the instinct of pro-creation!

Because you're afraid to reveal how shallow your knowledge truely is?
Ignorence is not itself dishonourable. Worship of ignorence and pretending to know more than you do is dishonourable.

Okay, you're right. You know it and so do I. --I don't know very much about sociobiology or evolutionary psychology. Pretty obvious. Consider this my first honourable action (and try to unearth something even more dishonourable.)

Be honourable and tell me your biggest flaws?


It's amusing that the nature and role of women is being debated by a "man" who can't even argue a simple little thing online without pussying out and simpering.

Its even more amusing that a learned woman thinks she understands the way I think.


You do realize you're agreeing with a man who spent most of his life dominated by women and fled in terror from a brothel...right?


I didn't know he fled from a brothel in terror (:D,) but:

Not to say that I agree with all of his points, but he does make good generalizations when it comes to the common bleach-blond 'bitch'.

Nietzsche, I think, was afraid of women because he understood something about them. He saw the praying mantis half. The part of a woman that wants to consume their mate alive and use the bones to make soup for her offspring.

EDIT:

-Edit-
They do that to look Aryan.

THAT explains it :m: He thought they were conniving nationalists and socialists with an evil agenda...:) Thankyou for sharing you knowledge.

EDIT again:
If you could be any animal listed below, what kind of animal would you be:

a) praying mantis
b) Minke
c) Tortiose
d) Shark

Xerxes:
Are you implying that men and women are equally subservient? After laughing at the fact that women had political influence in ancient Greece?

In love, I'd say men are even more so.
There's no contradiction between the two statements.
Political power is generally based on physical strength and ability at manipulation. Men are naturally better at this, although there are notable exceptions like Elizabeth I of England or Catherine the Great of Russia.

Oh -- and love is not so much a weakness as it is the effect of a weakness, ie, being vulnerable and maleable(especially sexually). This is why men are weak to the seduction of women. You're looking at it backwards.

No, love is a weakness.
Love is often linked to the sex urge, but only an idiot would claim that the two are inseperable. That is, love is not the effect of being sexually vulnerable but something else.

I know how difficult it is for existentialists to admit they have more in common with Judaism then against it.

Existentialism is a nothing term.

Admit that self-betterment, if even subconsciously comes down to the instinct of pro-creation!

Of course.

Okay, you're right. You know it and so do I. --I don't know very much about sociobiology or evolutionary psychology. Pretty obvious. Consider this my first honourable action (and try to unearth something even more dishonourable.)

Good boy, now shut up about them.

Be honourable and tell me your biggest flaws?

Why, love of course.
And the need for entertainment. I should be wrapping presents, but this is way more hilarious.

Its even more amusing that a learned woman thinks she understands the way I think.

What's absolutely hilarious is that a little Jew is trying to show superiourity to a woman of Nordic descent.

Nietzsche, I think, was afraid of women because he understood something about them.

What evidence is there that Nietzsche feared women at all?

He saw the praying mantis half. The part of a woman that wants to consume their mate alive and use the bones to make soup for her offspring.

I think Freddy might have been fonder for the gender as a whole if he'd seen the praying mantis half.
It was pettiness and shallowness that he seems most repulsed by, yes?

(If you've even read Nietzsche, which I question, and if you've understood Nietzsche, which I don't even bother to question)

I'd be a worm that gnaws on the foul corpses of the dead.

In love, I'd say men are even more so.
There's no contradiction between the two statements.

Maybe from your perspective. You seem like the dominating type that wouldn't have it any other way.

And actually, there is a contradiction, because if women weren't subservient in ancient Greece, they'd have either been half the cause, or the propenents of peace. So.

No, love is a weakness.
Love is often linked to the sex urge, but only an idiot would claim that the two are inseperable. That is, love is not the effect of being sexually vulnerable but something else.

If love had a beginning then it must have an end. What causes love? Now I'm no expert on behavioural psychology but I do know that certain types of people clique. Sexual attraction is the difference between loving somebody and merely liking them, because sex is a spiritual experience in the neurochemical sense. Only an idiot would claim it be wholly physical without having an effect on the relationships of people. Example -- I can't have sex with my friends and pretend like nothing happened. Especially my friends. You're views of the other person changes when you see them naked.

You can continue loving someone if you've created something together which you both love which is the direct result of the instinct to procreate and live on in ideas and genetics. Could be a field of science, kids, life accomplishments. Sexuality is only a minor piece of the desire to live on (which I should have been more clear about.)

Existentialism is a nothing term.

Elaborate.


What's absolutely hilarious is that a little Jew is trying to show superiourity to a woman of Nordic descent.

I'm not just a Jew. I'm a Jewish moor and we could kick your Nordic asses at anything :)

What evidence is there that Nietzsche feared women at all?

For the half that he didn't understand, he saw as a riddle. The only solution to that, is pregnancy. He gave me a really good laugh with that one, but in a way, I can empathize (I don't have any kids BTW..way too young for that).

It was pettiness and shallowness that he seems most repulsed by, yes?

The bleach blond bitch. Yes, but combine that with the predatorial praying mantis half and you'd be fearful too.

If you've even read Nietzsche, which I question, and if you've understood Nietzsche, which I don't even bother to question

For the last few months, I've been reading a little of his work. I bought the basic writings book. Got up to part III of Zarathustra(from the libary), read a few chunks of BGAE and a teensy bit of the Birth of Tragedy. I also read - from the library - a couple of chunks of the will to power which I like more that BGAE.

I even used that part of 'what Europe owes to the Jews' as a clever snippet in an essay on 'Night'. Yes, I have a shitload of difficulty understanding him, but I'm getting better. Can you honestly say that you fully comprehend him?

EDIT:


I'd be a worm that gnaws on the foul corpses of the dead.

I can't say I've ever eaten corpse before, but I discriminate against all foods that have been in the ground for more than week.:) I guess it would be nice to eat something and not know the difference.

Xerxes:
Maybe from your perspective. You seem like the dominating type that wouldn't have it any other way.

*Laughs*
Dominent? Oh fucking hell, you're so off it's hilarious.
If I was, and not so over-tender and gentle, do you think I would have arrived at my conclusions?
It is only those capable of inflicting that tormenting joy of loving a man (or woman) who is always cold, always strong and never responds to our affections that can afford to make vauge, romantic statements.
Those most capable of love are those least capable of sentimental luxury.

No Elbaz, it's the woman who professes that she is soft, loving and gentle who is going to get you by the balls.

And actually, there is a contradiction, because if women weren't subservient in ancient Greece, they'd have either been half the cause, or the propenents of peace. So.

As I mentioned, it is not love that creates political inequality.

If love had a beginning then it must have an end. What causes love? Now I'm no expert on behavioural psychology but I do know that certain types of people clique. Sexual attraction is the difference between loving somebody and merely liking them, because sex is a spiritual experience in the neurochemical sense. Only an idiot would claim it be wholly physical and biological.

Neurochemical experiences are physical experiences.
In any case, most people have the experience of fucking people they don't care about, don't care for, and won't even see again. Does one "love" a one-night screw? Of course not.

I'm not just a Jew. I'm a Jewish moor and we could kick your Nordic asses at anything

Only insidiously. Certainly, the Jews are capable of much insidious poisioning.

For the half that he didn't understand, he saw as a riddle. The only solution to that, is pregnancy. He gave me a really good laugh with that one, but in a way, I can empathize (I don't have any kids BTW..way too young for that).

The half that he didn't understand are the ones who don't buy into all the cultural bullshit about what it means to be a women.
And that's only the solution society thinks would work.

The bleach blond bitch. Yes, but combine that with the predatorial praying mantis half and you'd be fearful too.

But Nietzsche was not fearful.
Besides, Nietzsche was not a pussy like you. He liked predators, thought they were interesting.
Sexual predators (I don't mean rapists, but manipulators) are fascinating.

I even used that part of 'what Europe owes to the Jews' as a clever snippet in an essay on 'Night'. Yes, I have a shitload of difficulty understanding him, but I'm getting better. Can you honestly say that you fully comprehend him?

We don't ever fully comprehend what we are.

I can't say I've ever eaten corpse before, but I discriminate against all foods that have been in the ground for more than week. I guess it would be nice to eat something and not know the difference.

I liked the metaphor because it sounded morbid. I like wolves and dolphins, but if I had to be an animal besides human I'd be a bonobo, because all they do is fuck and eat fruit and roots all day.

Dominent? Oh fucking hell, you're so off it's hilarious.

So you'd like a man to 'tame' you as he would a wild cat? I can understand that. But traditionally, its the men who are domesticated.



Those most capable of love are those least capable of sentimental luxury.

No Elbaz, it's the woman who professes that she is soft, loving and gentle who is going to get you by the balls.

So you're saying that I'm weak when it comes to women? Now that is fucking hilarious.

Neurochemical experiences are physical experiences.
In any case, most people have the experience of fucking people they don't care about, don't care for, and won't even see again. Does one "love" a one-night screw? Of course not.

Physical experience don't have the same implication as neurochemical or 'spiritual' ones. Would you compare the first time you 'did it' or got high, to your last mosquito bite? The first two stay with you for the rest of your life (if you can remember the second,) and the third had no lasting effect on your mind. In a way, the mosquito was screwing you, but thats about as far as a on night stand goes. So its irrelevant. Two mosquito's sucking the blood out of eachother is not neurochemical.

Only insidiously. Certainly, the Jews are capable of much insidious poisioning.

Hahaha. priceless. For all the laughs I've given you, you've given me twice as many.

I should turn this into a thread:
Who would win? - A Jewish Moor, or a Nordic dominatrix?

The half that he didn't understand are the ones who don't buy into all the cultural bullshit about what it means to be a women.

I've never met that kind of a woman. I've met the subservient one. The praying mantis one. Bleach-blond one. The one who tries to find meaning in life by becoming a man and the one who spends her life trying to figure out what it means to be a woman. But never that kind.

But then I've never met that kind of a man either.

BTW, what does it mean to be a woman?

But Nietzsche was not fearful.
Besides, Nietzsche was not a pussy like you. He liked predators, thought they were interesting.
Sexual predators (I don't mean rapists, but manipulators) are fascinating.

I think he was. He liked to talk about shit. He knew exactly how a person should act towards society and women, but he was never able to accomplish ANY of those things. Nietzsche was a pussy. Its possible that I am as well, not because I don't find predators interesting (I do), but because I don't walk nakedly around them as prey would.

What makes you think I'm not a sexual manipulator?

What do you find interesting about the sexual manipulator type(I'm curious here)?

We don't ever fully comprehend what we are.

Ah, but we can learn a lot from the reactions of others. Its not impossible to have self-awareness, but maybe undesirable to some.

because all they do is fuck and eat fruit and roots all day.

You could do that as a human, only you'd be so self-aware that it would disgust you. Personally, I'd like to be a minke because swimming under water all day is a very contemplative, carefree existance where there arent many noises and plenty of sea creatures to snack on. like being in a womb. swimming is fun.

If I was, and not so over-tender and gentle, do you think I would have arrived at my conclusions?

YOU consider yourself to be over-tender and gentle? ha. Would two ICBM's instead of breasts make you feel less so?

Xerxes:
So you'd like a man to 'tame' you as he would a wild cat? I can understand that. But traditionally, its the men who are domesticated.

No, I'd like a man to be my lover and firebomb strip-malls with me.
I don't see relations as strictly dominence/submission.
You do, but this is because you're a member of a culture that has suffered slavery and persecution for too long.

So you're saying that I'm weak when it comes to women? Now that is fucking hilarious.

No, I'm not. Merely making an observation.
If you're not hard when it comes to women, you should probably get a prescription for Viagra anyway.

Physical experience don't have the same implication as neurochemical or 'spiritual' ones.

Uh, last I checked chemicals were physical substances. Did you think they were made of phlogiston?

I should turn this into a thread:
Who would win? - A Jewish Moor, or a Nordic dominatrix?

I'm not a dominatrix, don't project your silly little fantasies.
I'm not educated either, for chrissakes I'm a high school dropout.

And I'm not strictly Nordic - got some Slav in me too. :)

I've never met that kind of a woman. I've met the subservient one. The praying mantis one. Bleach-blond one. The one who tries to find meaning in life by becoming a man and the one who spends her life trying to figure out what it means to be a woman. But never that kind.

Ah. But then, the inferiour can only sense superiourity. Actually recognizing it is another story.

BTW, what does it mean to be a woman?

Who gives a shit?

I think he was. He liked to talk about shit. He knew exactly how a person should act towards society and women, but he was never able to accomplish ANY of those things.

*Smiles*
How foolish. Nietzsche saw through women, saw through society and saw through morals.
Having that ability, why would he want sucess with women, society or morals?

Once you've recognized how pathetic your opponent is, why would you want aknowledgement from them?

Nietzsche was a pussy. Its possible that I am as well, not because I don't find predators interesting (I do), but because I don't walk nakedly around them as prey would.

That's not weakness, that's sense.
Besides, Nietzsche was a fucking babe. He didn't need to learn how to act around women to get laid - unlike a little adolescent Jew might.

What makes you think I'm not a sexual manipulator?

The fact that you're a seventeen year old boy.

What do you find interesting about the sexual manipulator type(I'm curious here)?

Emotionlessness. Pure egotism. The ability to form relationships with other humans and yet not care about or for any of them.

Ah, but we can learn a lot from the reactions of others. Its not impossible to have self-awareness, but maybe undesirable to some.

Awareness and comprehension are different. At the end of the day, one simply is.
The self-aware know what they are.

You could do that as a human, only you'd be so self-aware that it would disgust you. Personally, I'd like to be a minke because swimming under water all day is a very contemplative, carefree existance where there arent many noises and plenty of sea creatures to snack on. like being in a womb. swimming is fun.

Dolphin.
Minks are smelly. Then again, they probably don't smell so bad to each other.

YOU consider yourself to be over-tender and gentle?

You know the ending of La Boheme, where Rodolfo is crying for Mimi?
I can't listen to that without crying like a baby.

Would two ICMS strapped to your breasts make you feel a little less so?

Do you mean ICBMs?

You do, but this is because you're a member of a culture that has suffered slavery and persecution for too long.

Actually, the only reason I suggested that was because I thought, with your philosophy you'd prefer to be the 'master,' in a relationship where one uses, and the other gets used. A symbiot thing. You then took the opposite position. Now you're taking a different one. So I guess what you really want is a relationship where theres nothing to give and take except affection? Those usually end badly..

And another thing is that I'm nothing like my culture. When I go on the youth group trips, I get a long with no one,(with the excpetion of a few girls.) I think the chief counsler hates me. I only had one friend at my Jewish dayschool (until grade 4)and that was a temporary thing. Its caused a lot of tension between myself and my parents. Anyways, being Jewish does not mean you have to be assimilated by the culture.

No, I'm not. Merely making an observation.

Could you clarify your observation a little?

Uh, last I checked chemicals were physical substances. Did you think they were made of phlogiston?

Certain chemicals have a permanent affect on the mind, while others are temporary. Everything is essentially physical, just at different degrees. A spiritual experience is something so physical that it has a lasting effect on the way you percieve the world. IE, doing it with someone who you will see again.

And I'm not strictly Nordic - got some Slav in me too.

Don' excuse your inferiority to my moors. I'm not strictly Moor either. I've got a mix of Austrian and Russian blood in me.

Ah. But then, the inferiour can only sense superiourity. Actually recognizing it is another story.

Name a woman who has been completely independant from cultural bullshit. Heck, name a man. Anybody who says they are is a liar.

Who gives a shit?

I do, because I don't think you fully comprehend what it means to be a woman, as you claim. ;)

Having that ability, why would he want sucess with women, society or morals?

Bullshit. He let women, society and morals conquer him. Remember, he went insane? The one real relationship he had with a woman (well that threesome,) ended up crumbling. Unlike Zarathustra, he spent the rest of his life as a hermit, and morality..well, I don't think we can say he ever freed himself from that. The man always had undertones that he could never kill.

And his homosexuality never had a chance to express itself either.

When you chop somebody down to their flaws, everyone is pathetic. To claim you are less so is, as you said, an acknowledgement of inferiority.

He didn't need to learn how to act around women to get laid - unlike a little adolescent Jew might.

I can get laid off of looks alone. But thats not exactly what I want. What I want is a decent girl who won't grab my balls and put a gun to my head. That type is much harder to get. They often clique with the opposite - asshole type personality - while guys like myself get stuck around people who turn out to be bitches (depending on how long they hide themselves); I've found You need to be proactive against those things.

The fact that you're a seventeen year old boy.

seventeen year old *man*/womanizer. 18 in february.

The ability to form relationships with other humans and yet not care about or for any of them.

And you think that makes them superior??

Dolphin.

Dolphins are way too social.

You know the ending of La Boheme, where Rodolfo is crying for Mimi?

Nope, don't know 'La Boheme'. But if its anything like Madame Butterfly, then maybe I can relate a little(except for the crying part which I just don't do.) Pinkerton (Weezer) moved me more than just about anything else. Not kidding

But I'm no pussy..

EDIT to add: Still, being able to cry does not make you a gentle creature. It simply means you're able to feel emotion, or if you want to talk physically, means you have an overacive adrenal cortex (?). Not to project it onto you, but sometimes its the most thoughtless and cruel people who cry the most.

Do you mean ICBMs?

Yes. But if ICMS's float your boat, just the same :)

What I learned about women is do not piss them off. It's just not worth it. Don't fight with them either because you can't win.

You can win.

A woman is usually the one putting herself in the position to be "caught"; there never is really a "chase".

Women have a vagina. It and areas around it are highly errogenous.

Most if not all, are as mentally fucked up as us-- men.

You can never be in control unless you allow her to feel that she is, at least fundamentally, in control. If you do not provide this visage, she will be seeking control.

l

Originally posted by thefountainhed
A woman is usually the one putting herself in the position to be "caught"; there never is really a "chase".

Women have a vagina. It and areas around it are highly errogenous.

Most if not all, are as mentally fucked up as us-- men.

You can never be in control unless you allow her to feel that she is, at least fundamentally, in control. If you do not provide this visage, she will be seeking control.

l

Ermmm eh? Why the need to have control? So you think to keep the little woman happy it is best to let her think she has control? The notion of the man letting the woman THINK she has control is so sexist it's not even amusing. Does it make you feel like a big man if you let her think she has control? Do you strut like a rooster as you let the little woman think she's in control? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Because from here, you are just making yourself sound like a ermmmm... well nevermind, I don't want to be rude:)...

Men have penis'. It and areas around it are highly sensitive to being struck with a blunt object. Imagine that:). And women, unlike men, do not think with their sex organs but with their brains.

And as for the thought of women putting themselves in a position to be caught, ermmm Hed, I think you need to stop hanging out with girls in primary school. Hed, I think you need to grow up a bit and actually get to know some women (aside from your mummy that is). I think the only visage is that you actually THINK that you know or have learnt anything from or about women.


:eek:

:bugeye: I didn't really think it would be this good.

One down, two to go. :D

Oh for gawd's sake fountainboy - are you letting them know you're having fun again? Who's the dependant hmm?

Aussie fool:
No.

I meant everything I said.

trust
commitment to trust
keeping your word
being honest

self development
intellectual evolution
personal growth

what most people lack is self control in these issues
so seek to gain control of other things that are easyer
which is most often other people or animals
money is also represented in this manner along with property and possesions
and is related to things like work-a-hollic type habits and- selfishness and shallow emotional value and ability
-things that remove the focus away from personal issues that seem too difficult to change

vaunerability
this is a big one
it is closely associated with emoitional relationships
and is inter-connected to trust and personal development
these things are achived through control of ones own ability to change

there are several social myths and saysing that support the concept of not changing because that is the easyest thing to do ... being lazzy
there are certain methods that people use to nurture their children and others they come in contact with to reinforce these negative aspects toward personal growth

these negative aspects and lazzy and retarded ways of interaction and attempting to foster in others is most often represented well in the way a person views the concept of love
and how they show emotional communication or more precisely lack of it or aversion to it

so those that think love is a something that only brings negative responses are just not yet developed enough to deal with all that is required to choose a person who is more likely to be similar in personal growth and maturity,
and also not ready to develop themselfs in that way either
most stumble at such a evolutionary point and dwell within it for a majority of their lifes..
through society presures and such like things that have been manifested in a manner that forces them to try to not show/feel or express emotion in any way, aside from the normal materialistic and monetary manners of acceptable social displays

it is easyer to dislike soemthing than to like it because that is the way people have been raised by their parents and society presures around them to maintain that level of pathalogical self reinforcement

why not dare to ask yourself the question,
what is pathalogical behaviour?

:)

Women have a vagina. It and areas around it are highly errogenous.

Fucking. Priceless.

Originally posted by thefountainhed
Women have a vagina. It and areas around it are highly errogenous.


Erogenous I thought.

Xerxes:
Actually, the only reason I suggested that was because I thought, with your philosophy you'd prefer to be the 'master, in a relationship where one uses, and the other gets used. A symbiot thing. You then took the opposite position. Now you're taking a different one. So I guess what you really want is a relationship where theres nothing to give and take except affection? Those usually end badly..

How would you know? You're seventeen.

And another thing is that I'm nothing like my culture.

Ah, you are.
Your attempt to distance yourself from your culture is noble, if common, but it fails.

Certain chemicals have a permanent affect on the mind, while others are temporary. Everything is essentially physical, just at different degrees. A spiritual experience is something so physical that it has a lasting effect on the way you percieve the world. IE, doing it with someone who you will see again.

Not according to Websters:

Spiritual \Spir"it*u*al\, a. [L. spiritualis: cf. F. spirituel.
See Spirit.]
1. Consisting of spirit; not material; incorporeal; as, a
spiritual substance or being.

Try to use accepted meanings.

Don' excuse your inferiority to my moors. I'm not strictly Moor either. I've got a mix of Austrian and Russian blood in me.

There is hope for you yet.

Name a woman who has been completely independant from cultural bullshit. Heck, name a man. Anybody who says they are is a liar.

Doesn't follow, superiourity is relative.

I do, because I don't think you fully comprehend what it means to be a woman, as you claim.

How would you know?
I doubt you've even had sex with a woman, and if you even have pubes the hair is probably longer than your dick.
You are, after all, Jewish. ;)

Bullshit. He let women, society and morals conquer him. Remember, he went insane?

I was not aware that teritiary syphilis was caused by morality or society, and the role of woman is only of carrier.

And his homosexuality never had a chance to express itself either.

There is, of course, no evidence for Nietzsche's alleged homosexuality. The claims are simply the disturbed ramblings of mediocre and vengeful souls.

I can get laid off of looks alone. But thats not exactly what I want. What I want is a decent girl who won't grab my balls and put a gun to my head. That type is much harder to get. They often clique with the opposite - asshole type personality - while guys like myself get stuck around people who turn out to be bitches (depending on how long they hide themselves); I've found You need to be proactive against those things.

Your relationship woes are uninteresting.

seventeen year old *man*/womanizer. 18 in february.

Ah, so you're seventeen AND A HALF.
My little sister did the same thing when she was seven and felt she was too young. Cutest darned thing.
I do hope nobody shatters your illusions too fast. Women can be cruel.

And you think that makes them superior??

No, only interesting.
I find the manipulative and callous to be fascinating specimens, wheras you look up to them in awe. I was a little simular at your age, but when you grow up you'll realize how meaningless and weak the type is.

Not to project it onto you, but sometimes its the most thoughtless and cruel people who cry the most.

Why not?
You like the idea of my being some cruel, Nordic mistress. I bet this exchange is fueling a lot of your little fantasies.
You're cute and funny. I hope the world isn't too rough with you.

How would you know? You're seventeen.

In all my life, I've only had 3 relationships like that (the good kind.)

The first was in grade 1 or 2(can't remember which). I accidentally broke her arm. End of story.

The second was when I was in grade 6 and she moved away. No doubt, she probably went on to be influenced by the likes Brittney spears.

The third is about to happen. I'm graduating this year so I can already tell you how its going to end.

Ah, you are.
Your attempt to distance yourself from your culture is noble, if common, but it fails.

Let me tell you something: I really, really am different.

I'm sure you know when Nietzsche says that thing about offering a kid a choice between being virtuous, and being strong? And the kid who gets offered to be strong stares at you 'wide eyed'?

Well, I was the kid that wanted to be virtuous. I really tried to learn the Torah and be Virtuous, give Tzedacah and fit in with my culture. But I couldn't. The more I tried, the more distanced I became. Now I've quit trying. Being strong is working out much better.

Oh -- and the kids at Jewish summer camp are not what you'd expect. They do not stay up late memorizing talmud like the stereotypical Jew. And neither do I.

Not according to Websters:

Thats why I used it in the 'neurochemical' sense. You know exactly what I'm talking about, but don't want to admit it :)

Doesn't follow, superiourity is relative.

Well, if we're going to throw absolutes out the window, you may as well forget the idea that one can become completely independant from cultural bullshit. I still win.

How would you know?
I doubt you've even had sex with a woman, and if you even have pubes the hair is probably longer than your dick.
You are, after all, Jewish.

I've had pubes since 12, which unsurprisingly haven't outgrown my dick, and believe me, I know my way around a woman. If you have any doubts, meet me at the Mikvah ;)

I was not aware that teritiary syphilis was caused by morality or society, and the role of woman is only of carrier.

Tertiary syphillis is no excuse for the breakup of a threesome, a life as a hermit or the prejudice undertones he kept in his writing. He was already broken by the morals of society.

There is, of course, no evidence for Nietzsche's alleged homosexuality. The claims are simply the disturbed ramblings of mediocre and vengeful souls.

Perhaps. You know more about him than me. But looking at his mugshot, with that handlebar moustache, and the super-serious expression, you have to admit the possibility that he wanted to get spanked.

Your relationship woes are uninteresting.

You're just saying that.

Ah, so you're seventeen AND A HALF.

17 and 3/4. actually -- I just wanted to emphasize the fact that I am very much a man, and only a quarter years away from it being official.

I find the manipulative and callous to be fascinating specimens, wheras you look up to them in awe.

Actually, I don't stare at them in awe or find them to be fascinating. I feel a little reprieve for them knowing that my own life could be worse.

but when you grow up you'll realize how meaningless and weak the type is.

I already realize that the manipulator is weak and meaningless. Oh and -- I thought we already established that I am a man.

Why not?
You like the idea of my being some cruel, Nordic mistress. I bet this exchange is fueling a lot of your little fantasies.
You're cute and funny.

When I saw your name days ago, I used to think of a lizard with a whip, holding a gun and commanding all of the prisoners to get into your car. Now I only can only picture one of those big Valentines day hearts, or you nursing the prisoners back to health. You've crushed my fantasies, Xev. :(

I hope the world isn't too rough with you.

As a matter of fact, I like it when the world is rough with me. It can be fun, if you haven't learned the pleasure of winning a good wrestling match -- You feel like your about to puke halfways, but once the ref raises your hand, you just want to let back your head and cream your pants. I bet You've only lived this dream through Tyler Durden.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got 12 kilometres to run...

Originally posted by Xerxes

I've had pubes since 12, which unsurprisingly haven't outgrown my dick, and believe me, I know my way around a woman. If you have any doubts, meet me at the Mikvah ;)


LMAO!! Oh god this is so funny, it's bordering on sad. Xerxes, you don't get to know your way around a woman. She's not a town or city with roads and streets. We don't come with maps where by you can negotiate the highways and one way streets:rolleyes: . Not every woman is the same, and therefore by saying you know your way around women, you should really be saying you approximately know what a woman looks like anatomically.


17 and 3/4. actually -- I just wanted to emphasize the fact that I am very much a man, and only a quarter years away from it being official.

Ok, this statement had me laughing so hard it brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for that. All I can say to that is that you have a lot to learn. A whole lot. You're but a tiny babe in the woods. I can barely remember being 17 and 3/4, but one thing I do remember is that there was no way in hell I'd classify myself as a woman at that age. Age does not make you a man little boy. Life and life's experiences does, and frankly, after reading your posts in this thread, it is obvious that you haven't lived life long enough to classify yourself as a man. Your statement above about you knowing your way around women proves that.



:eek:

Bell--
Perhaps you should tell us all about yourself, no? Afterall it seems we are so far off the mark. I mean it couldn't be that you are one female. Or that by the nature of the question, we can only be talking about females we have been with...

Ermmm eh? Why the need to have control? So you think to keep the little woman happy it is best to let her think she has control? The notion of the man letting the woman THINK she has control is so sexist it's not even amusing.
It is not sexist. Every relation"ship" is a power game. And yes, she will feel better if she thinks she has control. How does it make you feel jumping on a high horse and attempting to demean the posts responding to this topic-- those you deem wrong?

Does it make you feel like a big man if you let her think she has control?
I don't have to do that to feel like a 'big" man, sorry.

strut like a rooster as you let the little woman think she's in control?
A rooster can strut? In any case, no.

make you feel better about yourself?
No. I always feel good about myself.

here, you are just making yourself sound like a ermmmm... well nevermind, I don't want to be rude...
Sccccccccared?

Men have penis'. It and areas around it are highly sensitive to being struck with a blunt object.
Heh. And I was thinking maybe I'd let your around []hed...

Imagine that. And women, unlike men, do not think with their sex organs but with their brains.
hed thinking through his "sex organs": Are you a hottie? If so send me a naked pic.

And as for the thought of women putting themselves in a position to be caught, ermmm Hed, I think you need to stop hanging out with girls in primary school.
I was celibate in primary school, and I am no pedophile. Perhaps you need to get out of your hole and see some daylight? In these times, twentysomething and college girls do indeed put themselves in positions to be approached or go after men.

Hed, I think you need to grow up a bit and actually get to know some women (aside from your mummy that is).
I'm told that when the hed rubs off, it feels good. How then did something rub you in such a bad way?

I think the only visage is that you actually THINK that you know or have learnt anything from or about women.
You are incorrect, so sorry.

Originally posted by thefountainhed
It is not sexist. Every relation"ship" is a power game. And yes, she will feel better if she thinks she has control. How does it make you feel jumping on a high horse and attempting to demean the posts responding to this topic-- those you deem wrong?

A REAL relationship is not a power game. And I wasn't attempting to demean anyone. I was responding to a particular statement you made in this thread. After all, this is a forum whereby people put up what they think, and that was what I thought. If you found it demeaning, oh well, my deepest apologies then.

Heh. And I was thinking maybe I'd let your around []hed...
Eh? Is this your way of saying you're a block head:p? And if you didn't get that... that was meant to be a joke.

hed thinking through his "sex organs": Are you a hottie? If so send me a naked pic.
No. And that was not a joke:).

I was celibate in primary school, and I am no pedophile. Perhaps you need to get out of your hole and see some daylight? In these times, twentysomething and college girls do indeed put themselves in positions to be approached or go after men.
Awww but I happen to like my cave. I don't have to put up with people who think they are in control in my cave:D. And yes I'm well aware that members of both sexes put themselves out there to be approached by members of the opposite/same (depending on your preference) sex. Such behaviour is not solely restricted to women. Isn't that what the single scene is all about? But last I checked, no woman I know put themselves out to be caught. That notion or ideal went out when women set fire to their bras.

I'm told that when the hed rubs off, it feels good. How then did something rub you in such a bad way?
You have to be told that when your hed rubs off it feels good? OOOKKKKK! Hed, whatever you do with your hed is your own business... lol... And the only time I've ever really been "rubbed" the wrong way was when an old friend attempted to remove something from my eye and he had just chopped chilli while making dinner. Ugh talk about pain. It still makes me squint just thinking about it.

Bells:

A REAL relationship is not a power game.
Any relationship is a power game.

And I wasn't attempting to demean anyone. I was responding to a particular statement you made in this thread. After all, this is a forum whereby people put up what they think, and that was what I thought. If you found it demeaning, oh well, my deepest apologies then.
Lol. No I did not find your post demeaning; I found it funny. I was referring to Xerxes' post, and your attempt to use your gender as some kind of whipping stick. In truth, you have merely one subject-- yourself; don't forget that.

Eh? Is this your way of saying you're a block head? And if you didn't get that... that was meant to be a joke.
Nah. It was my way of distinguishing between hed, and my
[]hed...I'm sure you got it b4.

No. And that was not a joke.
boooooo. Ok, ok, wait. Are you very pretty? If so, send me a naked a pic.

Awww but I happen to like my cave. I don't have to put up with people who think they are in control in my cave.
Well then my advise on them making you think you have the power in "your" cave should prove useful, neh?

And yes I'm well aware that members of both sexes put themselves out there to be approached by members of the opposite/same (depending on your preference) sex. Such behaviour is not solely restricted to women. Isn't that what the single scene is all about?
In general, however, 'tis the male approaching the female. The male goes to 'pursue"..

But last I checked, no woman I know put themselves out to be caught. That notion or ideal went out when women set fire to their bras.
Heh. Methinks someone was thinking I was speaking of marriage? Yuck.

You have to be told that when your hed rubs off it feels good? OOOKKKKK! Hed, whatever you do with your hed is your own business... lol...
Well you see, if you were a hottie or if you are very pretty, I wouldn't mind making it your "business" too.. he he he. Is that sexist?

And the only time I've ever really been "rubbed" the wrong way was when an old friend attempted to remove something from my eye and he had just chopped chilli while making dinner. Ugh talk about pain. It still makes me squint just thinking about it.
cave stories...

Originally posted by thefountainhed
Any relationship is a power game.

No, a real relationship is not a power game. A relationship based on the notion of a power game is bound to failure.

Lol. No I did not find your post demeaning; I found it funny. I was referring to Xerxes' post, and your attempt to use your gender as some kind of whipping stick. In truth, you have merely one subject-- yourself; don't forget that.
Geeeee, make me sound like the wicked witch:D. And I was merely stating an opinion on what the boy said.

Nah. It was my way of distinguishing between hed, and my []hed...I'm sure you got it b4.

Yes I did get it before, but I thought it may have been rude and unladylike to ask if your 'doodle' was square shaped... lol..

boooooo. Ok, ok, wait. Are you very pretty? If so, send me a naked a pic.
No, I'm an ugly hag:D.

Well then my advise on them making you think you have the power in "your" cave should prove useful, neh?
They don't have to let me think I have power in my cave. If I didn't have power I wouldn't be able to plug in the computer to type this post to this thread. Wait, I'm wrong. If there was no power I could still jump on the laptop to post a reply... lol..

But oooohhh wait, you meant the guy letting me think I have power (and no I don't mean the plug the kettle in for coffee type of power). A relationship doesn't mean that one lets the other think they have power. Why would you want to? The other half and I have been together for 2 years now and if either of us thought that we wouldn't have lasted 2 weeks. Neither of us think that we are better than the other. We each have power, but that power does not apply to our relationship in the way that you appear to mean. Neither of us think that we allow the other to have that power. We approach each other and the relationship on an equal footing. A relationship is based on equality. If one thinks that they have power over the other in a relationship, it is no longer a relationship per se. It only results in a type of relationship where one is dominant to the other and is one that will most likely fail.

In general, however, 'tis the male approaching the female. The male goes to 'pursue"..
Both sides pursue. But the notion of women putting themselves out there to be caught is archaic.

Heh. Methinks someone was thinking I was speaking of marriage? Yuck.
LOL... refer to above.

Well you see, if you were a hottie or if you are very pretty, I wouldn't mind making it your "business" too.. he he he. Is that sexist?
No, just a really, really, bad line.. lol... And refer to above about the hag comment...

cave stories...
UUGG! UUGG!:p

what is the most important thing to have in your community?

money?
power?
social status?

most likely intellectual ability falls below those three

fashionable looks come before them all

selfishness is wide spread
to think you enter a relationship in the idea that you must have control of the relationship means you have lacked control over yourself in your life and seek to find it in areas that are easy to manipulate...
like when someone has a crush on you
once that is gone it is all down hill
and leads to the 60% rate of divorce that is small conpared to the amount of non marital relationships that occur more frequently

thefountainhed
what you fear most is lack of control
so you desire it in a sexual relationship
you have adopted the concept of a relationship as being a power game because that is the easyest way for you to get your "fix" (like a drug fix) of power control over another person that you then transfer, to lie to yourself in that you have control over yourself
(you are in a majority in most aspects in this regard so dont feel like the odd one out)
power lesson are often long in the learning and cruel in the teaching
i hope you learn before you hit the cruel part
many dont
also thinking that, to know what every women wants to be similar is like saying that all women are alike
and that is obviousely not true
you need to meet some more women who are more worldly.
one just may break your heart and then you will fall to your own game of power and control leaving you bitter and regretting everything
that is a very common thing

adopting an attitude that relationships are a power game is to continuosely live a lie in emotional communication ...
it is a bitter and harsh lesson that can sometimes take a life time to get over

:)

Not every woman is the same, and therefore by saying you know your way around women, you should really be saying you approximately know what a woman looks like anatomically.

Not quite. What I meant to say is that I know how to make a woman happy.

Age does not make you a man little boy.

Actually, you're right. I never said that age qualified me as a 'man'. You won't find any disagreeing from me.

I guess the fact that I considered myself an adult at the age of 8 would also serve to invalidate the whole age thing. In writing assignments, I constantly used prepositions like 'when I was a kid,' and sincerely believed them. Not because my classmates were so immature(and they were), but because I saw the school as training grounds for miniature adults that would soon rule the world. Which I don't exactly believe anymore..

It goes back to the self-awareness thing that Xev was talking about. I know what I am whether a single other person see's that in me or not.

you haven't lived life long enough to classify yourself as a man. Your statement above about you knowing your way around women proves that.

First you say that a set age in years does not make man (which I agree with.) And now you say that there is an approximate age? haha Too much :m:

Again, I've considered myself an adult for the majority of my life. If it was feasable, I would've moved out on my own years ago (and my parents are decent people.)

Women are like a PC DOS: if you stray from the usual 'commands'
in even the slightest way, you will get...

Bad command or file name.

:D

Oh well, you can always Format! :p

But seriously... they want affection and attention. Give them some
time and the rewards are plentiful.

LOL. Gotta love pathetic attempts at psychoanalysis based on one post. You are way off Rip. It's not that simple mate.

Unexpected party; nevertheless, two down, one to go.

actually where you are concerned, all things are simple. rip is right on the money. there is a constant refrain in your posts.... "i am somebody!" this colors all your social interactions to the point of pathology (pimping out a chicks toilet webcam, fantasizing about ripping and bloodying chicks's anuses)

nevertheless, two down, one to go.

observe the approach. classic! the head offered up as some intellectual giant in a sea of retards. the object is to prevail at any cost. this is neccessary to maintain cohesiveness and sanity

umm
it is a fantasy that plays out in head's head. no one has gone down:D

Ah, so finally, Spock, my favorite bitch finally joins the party.

actually where you are concerned, all things are simple. rip is right on the money.
and you'd know because i'm the "enemy" and you need to "rip"(pun intended) my name? Makes sense; you never had the choice.


Let's analyze this Spock. Were I not "somebody", I wouldn't be typing this shit maggot.

[quote](pimping out a chicks toilet webcam,
This is quite illogical. "I am somebody" and therefore I sell someone's digi cam on a site?

fantasizing about ripping and bloodying chicks's anuses)
Touche

observe the approach. classic! the head offered up as some intellectual giant in a sea of retards. the object is to prevail at any cost. this is neccessary to maintain cohesiveness and sanity
You are in the sea. Welcome minion.


Who's the third one left?
Spock.

What a tease: up 'till recently I use to thing the fountainhed was some bleached bee-hive suburban bitch with dangling jewelry and too much lipstick.
There are much better ways to introduce yourself, you know?

Now I learn he dunks his head in black ink. Well there you have it, first impressions are quite accurate.
You are most certainly right: first impressions are quite accurate. After reading the first line, I assumed you were dickless "bleached" faggot begging to be shitted on by hed. Your second line confirmed this assumption. Unfortunately, the hed's proverbial boat is quite full. But for starters, fuck off and wait your turn. The hed will turn to you soon enough.

Originally posted by SoLiDUS
But seriously... they want affection and attention. Give them some
time and the rewards are plentiful.
LOL... make us sound like house plants:p

Originally posted by thefountainhed
Unexpected party; nevertheless, two down, one to go.
Eh? Hmmmm reading back, was I the number one? Huh? Huh? Huh? LOL...:p

Originally posted by Spookz
it is a fantasy that plays out in head's head. no one has gone down
He could be double jointed you know and if he can bend down that far... Ugh.. oh the mental pic:(

Eh? Hmmmm reading back, was I the number one? Huh? Huh? Huh? LOL...
No, not really. But you jumped the mantle so freaking fast and you fit the profile, so I was satisfied.


He could be double jointed you know and if he can bend down that far...
I am not, and why even try when others beg to do it?

Ugh.. oh the mental pic
I know, it does not fit. Besides, why fuck yourself up? You'd rather be the one who went down. Unfortunately, I am displeased you are not a "hottie" or "very pretty"

Originally posted by thefountainhed
No, not really. But you jumped the mantle so freaking fast and you fit the profile, so I was satisfied.

You keep profiles of the people who post in here? Oookkk. Ermm Hed, I really think you need to get out more:p.

I am not, and why even try when others beg to do it?
Mmmm hmmmm... Of course they do dear:rolleyes:

I know, it does not fit.
No the image fitted, was just ugly that's all.. LOL.

Besides, why fuck yourself up?
Hey you might be one of those people who can't get it elsewhere and do themselves instead. I don't know or want to know what goes through your mind.

You'd rather be the one who went down.
No.

Unfortunately, I am displeased you are not a "hottie" or "very pretty"
WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!:D

Hi:
They are indispensable mediators between the individual and the universe, Paul Eluard
I hope I have spelled his name correctly. quack - quack, thanks

Xerxes
dude!
you need to meet more women... those who are past the stage of basic self sexual awareness
maybe "they" would not care for your one size fits all type of approach
if you think all are the same then you will most likely only gravitate toward those who are receptive to your single minded aproach system..
it is not uncommon for some people to out grow there small community personality stereotype
it would be a sad thing for you to limit yourself to only those women who you feel fall below your perception to inspire and surprise you

thefountainhed
you are funny :D
you would have to agree with me to prove me to be more on the incorrect side of my basic outline of your comments
how sad that you reduce even your relationships to a winning and loosing power struggle
what a sad scene that must be
i pity you for what you define as your own sexual disfunction!
what you may expect in the future ?
well... why should i spoil the surprise
some lessons are not learnt the easy way for some people

go ahead .. you may think you have won
use another women/girl as a sexual object like your personal toy and material objectification tool of self disfunctional diversions

it bothers me not!
aside from the obviouse exploitation that you speak of of those who may be easily miss guided from a vaunerable position of emotional problems.. your natural hunting ground for sex maybe?

spookz
lol nice!

Bells
quote
LOL... make us sound like house plants
---
fantastic point
the dismissive atitude toward women as being complicated and intricate beings is on parr with the "all men are stupid" stereotype often spouted by their wives
they do deserve each other i guess

Dearprudence
not quite sure what you mean
do you mean thefountainhed gets off on the "yeah,sir-mass-ser"
as 'Missy Elliot' put-it in one of her songs ?

rip: Think real hard....
besides, http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31653

quote
thefountainhed
rip: Think real hard....
besides, http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...&threadid=31653
---
umm ok
so you have a new years resolution?
very little challenges my thinking in a requirement to :think hard" these days
maybe you could elloborate so i may know what you are vaguely refering to
are you continuing in some line from another post aside from the new one you have just made?

or another feeble attempt at the power struggle you seem to need for self sexual gratification?

Alright....

In all my life, I've only had 3 relationships like that (the good kind.) The first was in grade 1 or 2(can't remember which). I accidentally broke her arm. End of story. The second was when I was in grade 6 and she moved away. No doubt, she probably went on to be influenced by the likes Brittney spears. The third is about to happen. I'm graduating this year so I can already tell you how its going to end.

Grade-school romances are hardly indicative of anything.

Let me tell you something: I really, really am different.

Go you!

Tertiary syphillis is no excuse for the breakup of a threesome, a life as a hermit or the prejudice undertones he kept in his writing. He was already broken by the morals of society.

What "prejudice overtones"?
An oversocialized Jew would see these things - a failure at romantic relationships, an aloofness and preference for solitude - as weaknesses.

I do not.

Perhaps. You know more about him than me. But looking at his mugshot, with that handlebar moustache, and the super-serious expression, you have to admit the possibility that he wanted to get spanked.

I always figured he'd be shy and rough, the sort of man who'd stroke your face and fuck you hard.
Oops, no fantasizing.

Acually -- I just wanted to emphasize the fact that I am very much a man,

Chromosomally speaking....

I find the manipulative and callous to be fascinating specimens, wheras you look up to them in awe.
Actually, I don't stare at them in awe or find them to be fascinating. I feel a little reprieve for them knowing that my own life could be worse.

Nonsense. The rest of your posts on this thread show an inordinate interest in learning manipulation - you are, after all, a Jew - how can you alter yourself so that women will like you, how can you alter yourself so that women will want to fuck you, how can you act so that women will want you.

You do realize that getting laid often is not an indicator of masculinity, especially if you act like a little bitch for that purpose?

I already realize that the manipulator is weak and meaningless. Oh and -- I thought we already established that I am a man.

You're an aspiring womanizer....or so you say.
So you do not realize such.

As a matter of fact, I like it when the world is rough with me. It can be fun, if you haven't learned the pleasure of winning a good wrestling match

I haven't.
Although I can say in my defense that my interest in sweaty, half-naked men with cute butts is strictly heterosexual.
Do you like it when another man 'pins' you down with his strong arms?

-- You feel like your about to puke halfways, but once the ref raises your hand, you just want to let back your head and cream your pants. I bet You've only lived this dream through Tyler Durden.

What dream, of creaming my pants while 'wrestling' a virile young man?

Xerxes:

I'm the same age as you, and I have to say I wouldn't call myself a "man" in the strictest sense. Technically if you just follow the dictionary, yes I suppose I qualify. But I'd like to take the defintion of man as being "an adult male". And adult - by the dictionary - means "fully developed". Yeah yeah, I've gone through puberty and all that shite so technically I'm developed...

But if you want to include maturity? Shit, if this is as mature as a man gets, humans are a sad bunch. I'm still in high school (only six more months!!!!), and I think I can say quite safely that I have more developing to do before I'm done growing. If you think at 17 you've hit your peak of maturity - or at least, you've hit full out adulthood - you must be something incredibly special. I've met some people who've been more mature than others at our age - obviously - but there is not a single seventeen year old I have ever met who I would begin to consider calling an adult. We're all still kids to a degree. I can't imagine being egotistical enough to think that as a highschool student I'm a full out adult. I'm pretty sure I have growth left. Maybe you really are that much different than every other teenager I've ever met, but I haven't seen a single thing on this board that's shown that.


Secondly....

You feel like your about to puke halfways, but once the ref raises your hand, you just want to let back your head and cream your pants. I bet You've only lived this dream through Tyler Durden.

Ever gotten in a real fight? Where someone's actually trying to break bones in your body? Or had a gun held to your head?

I bet you've only lived out that fantasy in highschool wrestling/martial arts.

I'm pretty sure I have growth left.

If you stop growing, at least as a person as opposed to a physical body, don't you cease to be human? While there are varying degrees of stubborness between each person I would postulate that we are all in a constant state of flux and continue to be until...the livin' end.

For example, a man can change in a split second, fighting in a muddy trench on the Western Front after he sees his lifelong friends burst into blood and bones. If he survives the conflict he may be a cold, elderly prune to the rest of his days. A person fighting in a horrific war is an easy piece of evidence to point to when trying to prove that people change, sometimes slowly, sometimes instantly. The guy that mows lawns in my town is a wreck and has been a wreck for decades because his son was killed in Vietnam.


you are, after all, a Jew

Are you the result of your mother being raped by her employer while working as a maid for a wealthy Jewish man or what? I can't possibly imagine what else could foster such animosity!

Tyler
you have a great point there i just wish to point out that wrestling is completely different than martial arts
however when trained properly and taken seriousely it is similar in the fitness and agility skills required
it is more than likely that some guys would just through their weight around in school wrestling with little to no skill

what is interesting is that on a theoretical psychology level it is thrown around that most men do not exceede the maturity of a 16 year old and women around one year older

so to come to a conclusive self realisation that you have matured to adulthood at 17 may be normal to above average on one principal .. however if you do not develop past that then you remain the boy you always were :)

is a 17 year old ready to parent children?
i dont think so
make political decisions regarding town planning ethics and morality ?
i dont think so

what is the concept of maturity here, seems to have been interpreted as more of an ability to gain what is personaly desired
hence the incumbering concept of selfish self existance
in a format of contented small minded over simplification

try and grow some more... Xerxes
it is not all over yet
you are yet to find the starting line
you may have just learnt how to walk

:)

Pollux:

Of course we all continue to grow (I won't get into the issue of whether or not stopping growth means not being human - too many subjective definitions), however I've yet to see any true distinction between the hundreds of 17/18 year olds I know and the fifteen year olds. Of course we're all a bit more mature, we play fewer stupid little games and we're a little less ignorant. But I would say the jump between myself and what I would consider adulthood is far greater than the jump between being fifteen and seventeen. Perhaps this is in large part because of our culture and upbringing. At seventeen, I'm still expected to be a kid. Of course at eighteen I can drink and drive and vote and all the other wonderful things adults can do - but I'm still expected to be a kid. University is just an extension of this - minimal responsibilities, partying and fun, the cliche self-righteous attitude...

In fact, if there is one cliche I have found still pertains to almost every single teenager I know, it is the "know-it-all" attitude. We don't all act like the ten year old bastard boy who thinks he's better than everyone - we do it much more subtly. Ask a teenager their stance on a political issue - guarantee you 90% of them will give you a full out explination of their opinion and why it is logically right. I'm not saying no teenager is actually right - but very, very, very few times have I heard someone our age say "I haven't researched this enough, I don't know enough on the topic - so I don't really have a valuable opinion." The best example is the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Perhaps it's different in the States, but if you ask any student in my grade at my school (and I've talked to most of them about it), they have an opinion on the issue. Whether pro-Israeli, pro-Palestinian or somewhere in between -- I met only two who knew what went on in the Six Days War. How in blue fuck can someone have an opinion on something so major without knowing the slightest bit of history?? The problem with teenage ignorance is it's self-righteousness. (NOTE: I AM NOT ENTIRELY PRO-ISRAELI, DO NOT ASSUME SO). People at my school will literally take the Palestinian cause without knowing the slightest bit of background, why? Because they are the down-trodden. Because they are the underdog. Because the person who wrote a paper against the war in iraq also happens to be pro-palestinian - therefore it must be the right choice. (I swear to god if one more person tells me they have an opinion on this issue and can't fucking tell me what or when the Six Days War was I will pull out a gun)

Anyway, now that my minor tirade on self-righteous teenage dumbasses is done... My point is that I can't fathom that the state I'm in now is adulthood. And I am 100% sure not one 17 year old I know is an adult. We're in between. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just what we are.

however I've yet to see any true distinction between the hundreds of 17/18 year olds I know and the fifteen year olds.

I agree. For the most part, if not for their different appearances, sophomores and seniors would have a great deal overall in common. I have friends in every grade of H