CIA FBI KGB
How much do they watch us?
Mobile phones?
Internet?
Interactive television?
This is not paranoia. Frankly I don't give a shit!

]I'm just intrigued as to how many of you think we really are being watched. How closely, and most importantly to what end?

Careful how you answer!! :D

While not particularly paranoid, I believe that we are all watched to some degree. It is now common to have cameras installed in cities, parking lots, ect. You never know when you are under visual surveillance.

Electronic means of watching over you is even easier and just as unnoticed. These "intellegence gathering folks" are getting their info from somewhere. A lot of it is not by talking.

One of the ways it has affected me is that I choose not to download certain questionably materials. (Better safe than sorry) I have no need to know how to build a bomb from household chemicals. Other than something like that it does not bother me. I am not someone they are looking for because I am not into doing anything of the nature of their concerns. Governments will not tell you mostly how their info is obtained. They would be fools to think all of their subjects are law abiding and will create no problems. Experience has taught them otherwise.

Heck, I used to watch people now and then. Not like peeking in your window with a camera. Just listening to communications and stuff.

my secret forbidden desire for a chap in england named after a radio station

KGB? Those guys are still spying outside Bond films?

I never really thought about that...? I mean shit, I find it hard to beleive a human being can actually be brought to spying in on someone else's life. That's pretty sad lol :bugeye:

I used to have an airwave band radio that could pick up police channels. i used to like listening to that.got some great stuff :D

pardon me while i butter my butt and call it biscuit

Originally posted by grazzhoppa
KGB? Those guys are still spying outside Bond films?
You realise Putin is KGB, right?

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EVERYONE has got something to hide

(except me and my monkey) :D :D :D :D :p :D :D

top secret coded msg from secret agent spookz (http://spookyz.virtualave.net/tmp/iraqi.wav)

Spookz... Im going to have nightmares with that message in my head... very very scary.

Ever since seeing 'Enemy of the State' I've been trying to hide under trees a covered walkways. That stuff is scary, very scary :(

Does it scare you because you think it might go on.
What if it is now?
I posted a while ago about my home town having cameras on 40 foot poles in every street. Literally!
Now we all know that some modern cameras can count the freckles on your face from the moon.

The powers that be say it's to improve the safety of the public.
But think on this. If you were sat in a monitoring station where you could see right into peoples homes. Would you look?
Course you would.

Now swap it around. Would you like them to look at you?
How much should our privacy be invaded in the name of safety.
As a point of fact, an old friend got beat up in that same town last week and no S.O.B. saw a damn thing!

It's all a bit wierd

How many people does it take to watch all the other people, and who will be watching them?

http://spookyz.virtualave.net/tmp/vidBro.jpg

"You looking at me? Hey, you looking at me?"


In the past decade, the use of Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) for surveillance and crime control has grown to unprecedented levels. In Britain between 150 and 300 million pounds (225 - 450 million dollars) per year is now spent on a surveillance industry involving an estimated 300,000 cameras covering shopping areas, housing estates, car parks and public facilitiesa in great many towns and cities.

While Britain is clearly the lead nation in implementing CCTV, other countries are quickly following. North America, Australia and some European countries which a few years ago would have rejected the technology, are installing the cameras in urban environments.

CCTV is very quickly becoming an integral part of crime control policy, social control theory and Community consciousness. It is promoted by police and politicians as primary solution for urban dysfunction. It is no exaggeration to conclude that in Britain, the technology has had more of an impact on the evolution of law enforcement policy than just about any technology initiative in the past two decades.

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On 10 May 1997, 200 people in Brighton joined an organised "strike" against the town's network of cameras. In what was the first organised direct action of its type [in England], a colourful and ingenious range of tactics were used to disable and ridicule the technology. Lasers were used to "white out" lenses, camera poles were "occupied," and street theatre created havoc for the camera operators.

"If you really want to be artistic you'll need some etching fluid, which syringed from above into the cleaning liquid container (connected to the camera) would make some very interesting patterns on the lens. But artistic license is not, it should be pointed out, a defence in court for criminal damage. More fun can be had trying to destabilise the confidence in the relationship between the camera operator and the police on the ground. For example, some sea-front boy racers were caught pouring from a petrol can onto a car in front of a CCTV camera. When the police raced to the scene, the lads got out some sponges and said they were just cleaning it (the can contained water). The possibilities are limitless -- breaking into your own car, fake fights, huge dope-less spliffs, fake drug dealing. Making a false weapon from trashed circuit boards and bits of metal junk and pointing them at the cameras has also proved effective and arrest-proof. One man in Bournemouth dressed up as an eight-foot alien and completely freaked the police. Making plays in front of a range of cameras simultaneously sends a direct message to the control room that we are watching them watching us. Identical masks can be used for protection and confusion." (South Downs Earth First!, 1997)

Many cameras use microwaves to send information back to the central control room, and these can be disabled using reflective industrial foil strips attached to helium-filled balloons at the correct height (mind the wind!). Camera poles can be useful "lost children stations." Simply make a sign, and give balloons to children waiting under the cameras. Now who would take a balloon off a child? The great thing about getting police to come protect the camera/find out what is going on is that simply by being there they negate the very existence of the camera.

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"But what are 'reported illegal actions'? Illegal actions are basically all actions, THEY don't want on THEIR property. In most shopping-malls, smoking, begging, riding a skateboard and, of cause, putting up graffity are concidered as 'illegal actions'. CCTV seems to be perfect, to avoid illegal actions like these. After some weeks / months the number of these illegal actions goes down - noone dares to smoke in a non-smoking-area / ask people for money while beeing watched by a surveillance-camera.

Surveillance is rather about pissing in public than about crime-prevention. Surveillance Cameras redefine public spaces as the camera's owner's spaces. Feeling / beeing watched makes people 'behave'; the bad guys wear sunglasses and hats anyways."

Performances by the New York Surveillance Camera Players (http://www.notbored.org/scp-performances.html)

video surveillance (http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/cctv/)

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon-m.jpg

ECHELON is a term associated with a global network of computers that automatically search through millions of intercepted messages for pre-programmed keywords or fax, telex and e-mail addresses. Every word of every message in the frequencies and channels selected at a station is automatically searched. The processors in the network are known as the ECHELON Dictionaries. ECHELON connects all these computers and allows the individual stations to function as distributed elements an integrated system. An ECHELON station's Dictionary contains not only its parent agency's chosen keywords, but also lists for each of the other four agencies in the UKUSA system [NSA, GCHQ, DSD, GCSB and CSE]

They watch!
THEY LISTEN!!!

OK NOW I'M PARANOID!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

scary, huh? :bugeye:

*bbc closes all window blinds and hides under bed sucking thumb*

That's it, I'm staying home. Just push my dinner under the door, I'll be fine

:eek:

Originally posted by Thor
That's it, I'm staying home. Just push my dinner under the door, I'll be fine

:eek:

I've been following to this plan for quite a long time- except the times when I'm thrown out on street to go to school


you'll be fine

I've been eating like that for some 7 years

Tsk, some people get it lucky

:rolleyes:

back in the days of unix, there was a program that inserted words into your email that would be typically flagged by programs like echelon (bomb, assasinate.....). the reason given was if everyone used it, the sniffers would be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of email it would have to sift thru


how cool were those hippies eh?

I'm cool as long as "they" don't install a toilet cam.