1) Shipped to syria?

2) Destroyed?

All three, Saddam did destroy a certain amount in hope's of getting sanctions lifted, He had his more stocks dispersed all over Iraq in a effort to hid the size of his stock piles, and when it became oblivious that the U.S. was not going to back down on enforcing the Cease Fire Agreement, the Russian, Saddam, and the Syrians moved the WMD to Syria, yes Saddam did all three.

Is there any evidence...?

What was Saddam executed for, again?

Zephyr, I have posted the site's multiple time now how about you looking my post up, or better yet do the reasearch on the information yourself, it is avalabl on Google, and many of the sites are recognized news outlets.

ps; What would you do if you had to go to the library and do it the old way and actually have to research the information through the codex, and then find the books, chapters, paragraphs, and sentences, to look up information, until February last year that is how I did it, then I got a computer, dam it is so simple to look up information now, and you are so lazy that you want me to spoon feed it to you?

I have seen no evidence that Iraq moved their WMD's to another country. It makes more sense that you would destroy them, preserve the instructions on how to make them, and make them another day if you could. Sending them to another country is inviting disaster. Saddam did not trust other nations enough to do that. Are the chemical agents even that valueable? I doubt it, but the methods of making them are.

What would make the most sense is to destroy them publically so that he could get the weapons inspectors off his back.

I wonder if it was pride that made him destroy them in secret or if they never existed at all? Perhaps he only had a small amount and used them all up in the war against Iran and the kurds?

Who knows.
The whole damned operation was botched.
Idiots in government.

spidergoat, yes because you ignore any thing inconvenient to your prejudice's, and to find the truth might put you in a situation to actually do something the might make you bleed, but mostly I think you would fail do anything that would get you precious little ass hurt.

Put up or shut up. Where's the evidence?

I think Saddam was bluffing about his WMD capacity in order to put up a strong front to the Iranians. We totally blew it, and now Iran is more of a problem than before.

I think Saddam was bluffing about his WMD capacity in order to put up a strong front to the Iranians.

As you so astutely put it: "Put up or shut up. Where's the evidence?"

Baron Max

The evidence is that there are no WMD's in Iraq, and no evidence found of an ongoing weapons program?

Or do you want to prove your theory by having me try to disprove it?

The evidence is that there are no WMD's in Iraq, and no evidence found of an ongoing weapons program?

You mean ....YET?

And, by the way, the forces discovered all kinds of chemical weapons, plus we know damned well that he even used those WMD on the Kurds. And "Chemical Ali" and that bio-tech woman had numerous papers showing the work in chemical and bio-weapons research.

In short .....Sadman did, in fact, have WMDs and we found some/most of 'em.

Baron Max

You mean ....YET?

And, by the way, the forces discovered all kinds of chemical weapons, plus we know damned well that he even used those WMD on the Kurds. And "Chemical Ali" and that bio-tech woman had numerous papers showing the work in chemical and bio-weapons research.

In short .....Sadman did, in fact, have WMDs and we found some/most of 'em.

Baron Max

Indeed you have

http://cartoonistgroup.com/properties/anderson_kirk/art_images/Kay.jpg

Like you give a shit about the Kurds. LOL! That happened in 1987, and we still maintained a good relationship with Saddam. There is even a photo of Rumsfeld shaking his hand, after the massacre of the Kurds.

Every report I have seen acknowledges finding old shells with trace amounts of chemicals or nerve agents, NOT evidence of a weapons program, or any threat to the United States or other nations. We have had ample time now to search Iraq. You have no direct evidence of WMD's in Iraq in any dangerous quantities.

spidergoat , define dangerous quantities?, you do realize that some of those biological and chemicals only need micron levels of exposure to be lethal, and that a couple of pounds can kill ten's of thousands.

Do you realize if he did have them, Saddam would have used them during the US invasion?

Do you realize if he did have them, Saddam would have used them during the US invasion?

Don't be silly. He was afraid people would think he was a bad man. Besides, he was saving them for a really special occasion.

spidergoat , define dangerous quantities?, you do realize that some of those biological and chemicals only need micron levels of exposure to be lethal, and that a couple of pounds can kill ten's of thousands.

How many nukes did the US have again?

For the first time in more than 20 years, U.S. nuclear-weapons scientists are designing a new H-bomb, the first of probably several new nuclear explosives on the drawing boards. (http://www.newsdesk.org/archives/000503.php)

You mean ....YET?

And, by the way, the forces discovered all kinds of chemical weapons, plus we know damned well that he even used those WMD on the Kurds. And "Chemical Ali" and that bio-tech woman had numerous papers showing the work in chemical and bio-weapons research.

In short .....Sadman did, in fact, have WMDs and we found some/most of 'em.

Baron Max

:bugeye: :bugeye: :bugeye:

Those weren't the weapons in question. Everyone knew he had those. The US gave him those weapons. We didn't find any of the WMDs we claimed were the reason for invasion.

We didn't find any of the WMDs we claimed were the reason for invasion.

Yet.

Baron Max

For the first time in more than 20 years, U.S. nuclear-weapons scientists are designing a new H-bomb, the first of probably several new nuclear explosives on the drawing boards. (http://www.newsdesk.org/archives/000503.php)

NPT anyone?

Yet.

Baron Max

How many years in Iraq now?

How many years in Iraq now?

Iraq is about the size of California. Can you imagine trying dig up all of California to find a few bombs buried there somewhere?

Baron Max

Iraq is about the size of California. Can you imagine trying dig up all of California to find a few bombs buried there somewhere?

Baron Max

So they are still searching then?

So they are still searching then?

Yes.

Baron Max

Yes.

Baron Max

Please provide some evidence.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/

Official: U.S. calls off search for Iraqi WMDs
Bush stands by decision to go to war, spokesman says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. inspectors have ended their search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in recent weeks, a U.S. intelligence official told CNN.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Car chive%5C200410%5CSPE20041004a.html

Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties
By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 04, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans. They demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.

One of the Iraqi memos contains an order from Saddam for his intelligence service to support terrorist attacks against Americans in Somalia. The memo was written nine months before U.S. Army Rangers were ambushed in Mogadishu by forces loyal to a warlord with alleged ties to al Qaeda.

Other memos provide a list of terrorist groups with whom Iraq had relationships and considered available for terror operations against the United States.

Among the organizations mentioned are those affiliated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, two of the world's most wanted terrorists. Zarqawi is believed responsible for the kidnapping and beheading of several American civilians in Iraq and claimed responsibility for a series of deadly bombings in Iraq Sept. 30. Al-Zawahiri is the top lieutenant of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, allegedly helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes on the U.S., and is believed to be the voice on an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Oct. 1, calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere.

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Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?
Monday, June 26, 2006
Ray Robison

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Prologue | Translation | Analysis | Epilogue

Prologue:
Newly declassified documents captured by U.S. forces indicate that Saddam Hussein's inner circle not only actively reached out to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan and terror-based jihadists in the region, but also hosted discussions with a known Al Qaeda operative about creating jihad training "centers," possibly in Baghdad.

Ray Robison, a former member of the CIA-directed Iraq Survey Group (ISG), supervised a group of linguists to analyze, archive and exploit the hundreds of captured documents and materials of Saddam's regime.

This is the final installment in a three-part series concerning a notebook kept by an Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) agent called Khaled Abd El Majid, and covers events taking place in 1999. The translation is provided by Robison's associate, known here as “Sammi.”

The Big Media Profit Motive

More than 80 percent of the stations snared in CMD’s research are owned by large conglomerates. A list of the worst offenders reads like a who’s who of big media, including stations owned by:

* Tribune Company (9 stations)
* Sinclair Broadcast Group (8 stations)
* News Corp/Fox Television (8 stations0
* Viacom/CBS Corp (6 stations)

The evidence suggests a strong tie between media consolidation and the use of deceptive, pre-packaged propaganda.
http://www.freepress.net/fakenews/

Sam your slipping you can do better than that.

I'm not the one grasping at straws held out by a known Faux news network, after my President has himself announced (and one presumes that he does not willingly want to appear a fool before the whole world after starting a war on false premises) that they have called off the search for the W(hy) M(e) D(addy)'s

Sam this isn't just from Fox, if you wish I can post multiple other news sources, and already have.
And if you notice the quotes are not from Fox.

BBC = Biased Bull Crap.

Kiwi123

They detail the Iraqi regime's purchase of five kilograms of mustard gas on Aug. 21, 2000 and three vials of malignant pustule, another term for anthrax, on Sept. 6, 2000. The purchase order for the mustard gas includes gas masks, filters and rubber gloves. The order for the anthrax includes sterilization and decontamination equipment. (See Saddam's Possession of Mustard Gas)

Sam this isn't just from Fox, if you wish I can post multiple other news sources, and already have.
And if you notice the quotes are not from Fox.

President has himself announced (and one presumes that he does not willingly want to appear a fool before the whole world after starting a war on false premises) that they have called off the search for the W(hy) M(e) D(addy)'s


see red

We all know Saddam had no interest in acquiring or using WMD's, why would he?

http://www.everythingiknowiswrong.com/2004/10/saddam_possesse.html

This is a major coup for CNS News. The article is long and thorough, as it should be. They detail the types of WMD Saddam purchased and where he purchased them. It also lists the terrorist organizations (including Al Qaeda) that Saddam had working relationships with, and 92 individual terrorists who were trained in Iraq. CNS reports "the author of the list notes that approximately half of the individuals "all got trained inside the 'martyr act camp' that belonged to our directorate.""

But I have noticed that Sam and several other autonatically dissmiss the information even before they read it, as being false, could this be because it doesn't fit their preconcieved prejudice's, blame America first, and that they are afraid of having to face the truth, that GWB was right,

The.
President.
of.
the.
United.
States.
has.
called.
off.
the.
search.
for.
WMDs.
in.
Iraq.

1. Perhaps you should contact him and let him know that he is wrong to do so?
2. Why wasn't Saddam convicted for possession of WMDs?
3. SeeAnus News is more valid than GWB?

The story that Buffalo Roam linked (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Car chive%5C200410%5CSPE20041004a.html) above was thoroughly debunked (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cybercast_News_Service) long ago. This "major coup for CNS News" is in fact the single story that has discredited them most.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3718150.stm

Report concludes no WMD in Iraq

Iraq had no stockpiles of biological, chemical or nuclear weapons before last year's US-led invasion, the chief US weapons inspector has concluded.

Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer said Iraq's nuclear capability had decayed not grown since the 1991 war.

Jihad Watch: Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties
Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties. Information from newly discovered Iraqi intelligence documents. From CNSNews.com, with thanks to all those ...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003450.php

* * *
Actually, Saddam Hussein knew plenty about terrorism. In essence, he owned and operated a full-service general store for global terrorists, complete with cash, diplomatic aid, safe haven, training, and even medical attention. Such assistance violated United Nations Security Council Resolution 687. The results not only broke international law, but also were deadly, as this chart demonstrates:7

http://www.husseinandterror.com/

The public evidence of Saddam Hussein’s cooperation with and support for global terrorists is abundant and clear. The Baathist government’s contacts and collaboration with terrorists in general, al-Qaeda in particular, and even the September 11 conspirators should make all Americans highly grateful that President Bush led an international effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

Funds for Terrorists
Let’s start with money. At a minimum, we know that Saddam Hussein’s government supported terrorism by paying "bonuses" of up to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers. How do we know this? Tariq Aziz, Hussein's own deputy prime minister, was stunningly candid about the Baathist government’s underwriting of terrorist killings in Israel.

“President Saddam Hussein has recently told the head of the Palestinian political office, Faroq al-Kaddoumi, his decision to raise the sum granted to each family of the martyrs of the Palestinian uprising to $25,000 instead of $10,000,” Aziz, announced at a Baghdad meeting of Arab politicians and businessmen on March 11, 2002, Reuters reported the next day.8

Abu Abbas, Iraqi-supported terrorist
In addition to funds, Saddam Hussein's government provided diplomatic help to Islamic extremists. This is Abu Abbas, former secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Front. He masterminded the October 7-9, 1985 hijacking of an Italian cruise ship whose name, sadly, is now synonymous with terrorism. The Achille Lauro was on a voyage across the Mediterranean when four Palestinian terrorists seized it on the high seas. They held some 400 passengers hostage for 44 hours.

The Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro
At one point, they segregated the Jewish passengers on board. One of them was a 69-year-old New York retiree named Leon Klinghoffer. He happened to be confined to a wheelchair. Without mercy, Abu Abbas’ men shot Klinghoffer, then rolled him, wheelchair and all, into the Mediterranean.

Leon Klinghoffer (left), terror victim
The hijackers surrendered to Egyptian authorities in exchange for safe passage to Tunisia. Abu Abbas then joined them on a flight to freedom aboard an Egypt Air jet. However, four U.S. fighter planes forced the airliner to land at a NATO base in Sicily. Italian officials took the hijackers into custody. But Abbas possessed the ultimate get-out-of-jail card: An Iraqi diplomatic passport.

How do we know this?
The source for this information is not Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. It is none other than this man, Bettino Craxi. At that time, he was Italy’s prime minister. As Craxi explained in an October 14, 1985 UPI story: “Abu Abbas was the holder of an Iraqi diplomatic passport…The plane was on an official mission, considered covered by diplomatic immunity and extra-territorial status in the air and on the ground.” Seeing that this terrorist traveled as a credentialed Iraqi diplomat, the Italian authorities let Abbas flee to Yugoslavia. After political parties furiously withdrew from Craxi’s coalition, the Italian government collapsed. 11

The man pictured below is Hisham al Hussein, the former second secretary at Iraq’s embassy in Manila.
Deported Iraqi diplomat Hisham al Hussein

The Philippine government expelled him on February 13, 2003, just five weeks before the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Cell phone records indicate he had spoken with Abu Madja and Hamsiraji Sali, two leaders of Abu Sayyaf, al-Qaeda’s de facto franchise for the Philippines. The timing was particularly suspicious, as he had been in contact with the Abu Sayyaf terrorists just before and after they conducted an attack in Zamboanga City.

Safe Haven for Terrorists
Beyond cash and diplomatic help, Saddam Hussein was the Conrad Hilton of the terrorist world. He provided a place for terrorists to kick back, relax, and reflect after killing people for a living.

After escaping Italian police in October 1985 following the Achille Lauro hijacking (thanks to his Iraqi diplomatic passport), Abu Abbas finally ended up in Baghdad in 1994, where he lived comfortably as one of Saddam Hussein’s guests. U.S. soldiers caught Abbas in Iraq in April 2003. This time, he did not get away. He died last March 9, in American custody, reportedly of natural causes.
Abu Abbas, Iraqi-supported terrorist

Abbas' Baghdad sojourn was not an isolated incident. Saddam Hussein granted avowed international terrorists refuge in Baathist Iraq. Terror mastermind Abu Nidal also enjoyed his hospitality.

Abu Nidal, Iraqi-supported terrorist
Nidal lived comfortably in Iraq between 1999 and August 2002. As the Associated Press reported on August 21, 2002, Nidal’s Beirut office said he entered Iraq “with the full knowledge and preparations of the Iraqi authorities.” 13 Prior to his relocation, he ran the eponymous Abu Nidal Organization — a Palestinian terror network behind attacks in 20 countries, at least 407 confirmed murders, and some 788 other terror-related injuries. Among other savage acts, Nidal’s group used guns and grenades to attack a ticket counter at Rome’s Leonardo da Vinci airport on December 27, 1985. Another cell in Austria simultaneously assaulted Vienna’s airport, killing 19 people.

Introduction
Saddam Hussein, after being captured by
U.S. forces in Iraq on December 13, 2003

Here he is, the man they called “The Butcher of Baghdad,” Mr. Saddam Hussein, shortly after U.S. soldiers pulled him from his so-called spider hole in Iraq. How bewildered he must have felt. Not so long before, he was sitting pretty.

Hussein, while still in power
Here he was in his glory days, perhaps relishing the fact that he had invaded Kuwait, burned its oil fields in a dastardly act of eco-vandalism, killed some 5,000 of his own people with chemical weapons at Halabjah, and stuffed another 400,000 or so of his constituents into mass graves.

Did he still possess Weapons of Mass Death? Seemingly not, at least not in the quantities America and its allies expected. But wasn't there another reason America and its Coalition partners invaded Iraq? Didn't Saddam Hussein have ties to terrorism?

The notion that he did not is an article of faith among the critics of President Bush, Tony Blair and their allies. Saddam Hussein, they argue, knew little if anything about terrorism, especially al-Qaeda. Listen to a few of these more notable detractors:
“I never believed in the link between Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and Islamist terrorism,” former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright flatly declared in an October 21, 2003 essay published in Australia’s Melbourne Herald Sun.1

Former Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright >

“Iraq was not a breeding ground for terrorism. Our invasion has made it one,” Senator Ted Kennedy said October 16, 2003.2 “We were told Iraq was attracting terrorists from Al Qaeda. It was not.”

< Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
“As we all know by now,” Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen sniffed last May, “there was never a proven link between Saddam, al-Qaida or even the Crips.” 3

Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen >

In August 2003, former vice president Albert Gore reassuringly stated: “The evidence now shows clearly that Saddam did not want to work with Osama bin Laden at all.” 4

< Former vice president Albert Gore

Even those who would be President of the United States cast doubts. "Iraq was not a terrorist haven before the invasion," 5 Democratic candidate John Kerry told Philadelphia voters September 24. At the September 30, 2004 presidential debate, Kerry asserted, "Iraq was not even close to the center of the War on Terror before the president invaded it." 6
Presidential hopeful, Senator John Kerry (D-Massachusetts) >

* * *
Actually, Saddam Hussein knew plenty about terrorism. In essence, he owned and operated a full-service general store for global terrorists, complete with cash, diplomatic aid, safe haven, training, and even medical attention. Such assistance violated United Nations Security Council Resolution 687. The results not only broke international law, but also were deadly, as this chart demonstrates:7

The public evidence of Saddam Hussein’s cooperation with and support for global terrorists is abundant and clear. The Baathist government’s contacts and collaboration with terrorists in general, al-Qaeda in particular, and even the September 11 conspirators should make all Americans highly grateful that President Bush led an international effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

Funds for Terrorists

Let’s start with money. At a minimum, we know that Saddam Hussein’s government supported terrorism by paying "bonuses" of up to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers. How do we know this? Tariq Aziz, Hussein's own deputy prime minister, was stunningly candid about the Baathist government’s underwriting of terrorist killings in Israel.

“President Saddam Hussein has recently told the head of the Palestinian political office, Faroq al-Kaddoumi, his decision to raise the sum granted to each family of the martyrs of the Palestinian uprising to $25,000 instead of $10,000,” Aziz, announced at a Baghdad meeting of Arab politicians and businessmen on March 11, 2002, Reuters reported the next day.8

Ousted Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz >

Saddam Hussein
Aziz simply echoed the policy his boss established one week earlier. As Saddam Hussein put it on Iraqi TV on March 4, 2002:

"We are glad of the Istishhadiyyah [suicide] and heroic spirit of the Palestinian people. By Allah, what the Palestinian people does is beyond my expectations…” 9

Saddam Hussein’s vice president, Taha Yassin Ramadan, is the man who Israeli intelligence believes was directly involved in funneling money from Baghdad into the hands of the families of homicide bombers. Documents that the Israeli Defense Force captured in the Palestinian town of Ramallah indicate that Vice President Ramadan used the Arab Liberation Front, the Palestinian Liberation Front, and the Palestinian branch of the Iraqi Baathist party to pass these funds into the hands of terrorists’ families.

Deposed Iraqi Vice President

Taha Yassin Ramadan
Here’s the sort of thing Ramadan bought with Saddam Hussein’s money: On March 9, 2002, Fuad Isma’il Ahmad al-Hurani blew himself up in a Jerusalem restaurant called the Moment Café.
The devastation was extensive inside the eatery.
Far worse, of course, was the human toll. Eleven Israelies were murdered while 52 were wounded.

A little over three months after that carnage, Mrs. Khaldiya Isma’il Abd al-Aziz al-Hurani collected a check for $25,000 as a bonus for her son’s suicide and his homicide of nearly a dozen others. The following check was a “President Saddam Hussein’s Grant” paid via the Palestine Investment Bank. These funds were transferred on June 23, 2002.

In another case, Usama Muhammad Id Bahr and Nabil Mahmud Jamil Halbiyyah blew themselves up in Jerusalem's Zion Square on December 1, 2001. Before setting off to "martyrdom," they also left a car bomb set on a timer two blocks away. It exploded just as rescue workers and emergency personnel arrived on the scene.

Emergency personnel examine terrorist casualties in Jerusalem's Zion Square
Here again, the physical damage was extensive, but largely reparable. Alas, the human toll was far more severe, what with 11 deaths and 188 injuries.

A secondary car bomb explodes, left behind by terrorists who
blew themselves up in Zion Square moments earlier
The deceased were all between ages 14 and 21. They were out for a night of fun after the end of Sabbath.

Victims of the December 1, 2001 Zion Square terrorist bombing
The only people who benefitted from this barbarism were the relatives of these two bombers who received President Saddam Hussein Grants here, as well.

The following document, captured by the Israeli military in Ramallah, shows a list of Iraqi-subsidized homicide bombers and their atrocities. It mentions the name of Raghib Ahmad Izat Jarradat.

On April 10, 2002, Izat Jarradat boarded a crowded bus strapped with explosives. As the bus approached the busy Yagur junction near Haifa, he blew himself up. Here is his handiwork. This vulgarity killed eight Israelis and wounded 15 others.

A demolished bus, surrounded by victims of an April 10, 2002 terrorist blast at Yagur Junction
Not all of these victims are Israeli. American Abigail Litle, the daughter of a Baptist minister, was just 14 years old when she was killed on an Israeli bus on March 5, 2003.

Abigail Litle, terror victim
Litle is not alone in that distinction. Between the time Saddam Hussein boosted his bonus payments to the families of Palestinian terrorists and the March 20, 2003 launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom, 28 homicide bombers injured 1,209 people and killed 223 more, including at least eight Americans. These bonus checks were handed out at ceremonies where banners proclaimed the friendship of the PLO’s Yasser Arafat and Saddam Hussein.

At a ceremony celebrating suicide terror bombings, a poster honors the relationship between Yasser Arafat (left) and Saddam Hussein (right).
Family members of homicide bombers received “certificates of merit,” such as this one handed to the relatives of a killer in Gaza on July 18, 2002.

Here it is, up close.

Certificate recognizing a suicide bomber's "martyrdom." Note the attached
"President Saddam Hussein's Grant" check in the lower right-hand corner.

These families showed their thanks for these cash infusions, even as their sons (and occasional daughters) blasted themselves to bits.

The Palestinian newspaper, Al Hayat, in December 2000 featured this letter expressing gratitude and appreciation to President Yasser Arafat and to President Saddam Hussein from the family of Imad Al-Dib Badir Al-Dayah. >
< This January 2001 letter, in the Palestinian paper, Al Quds, says: “Gratitude and appreciation to the President of Iraq and his great people from the relatives of the martyrs Amjad Hassinah and Fadi Dhabayah.” 10

Diplomatic Assistance for Terrorists

Abu Abbas, Iraqi-supported terrorist
In addition to funds, Saddam Hussein's government provided diplomatic help to Islamic extremists. This is Abu Abbas, former secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Front. He masterminded the October 7-9, 1985 hijacking of an Italian cruise ship whose name, sadly, is now synonymous with terrorism. The Achille Lauro was on a voyage across the Mediterranean when four Palestinian terrorists seized it on the high seas. They held some 400 passengers hostage for 44 hours.

The Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro
At one point, they segregated the Jewish passengers on board. One of them was a 69-year-old New York retiree named Leon Klinghoffer. He happened to be confined to a wheelchair. Without mercy, Abu Abbas’ men shot Klinghoffer, then rolled him, wheelchair and all, into the Mediterranean.

Leon Klinghoffer (left), terror victim
The hijackers surrendered to Egyptian authorities in exchange for safe passage to Tunisia. Abu Abbas then joined them on a flight to freedom aboard an Egypt Air jet. However, four U.S. fighter planes forced the airliner to land at a NATO base in Sicily. Italian officials took the hijackers into custody. But Abbas possessed the ultimate get-out-of-jail card: An Iraqi diplomatic passport.

How do we know this?
The source for this information is not Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. It is none other than this man, Bettino Craxi. At that time, he was Italy’s prime minister. As Craxi explained in an October 14, 1985 UPI story: “Abu Abbas was the holder of an Iraqi diplomatic passport…The plane was on an official mission, considered covered by diplomatic immunity and extra-territorial status in the air and on the ground.” Seeing that this terrorist traveled as a credentialed Iraqi diplomat, the Italian authorities let Abbas flee to Yugoslavia. After political parties furiously withdrew from Craxi’s coalition, the Italian government collapsed. 11
Former Italian Prime Minister Bettino Craxi

The man pictured below is Hisham al Hussein, the former second secretary at Iraq’s embassy in Manila.

Deported Iraqi diplomat Hisham al Hussein
The Philippine government expelled him on February 13, 2003, just five weeks before the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Cell phone records indicate he had spoken with Abu Madja and Hamsiraji Sali, two leaders of Abu Sayyaf, al-Qaeda’s de facto franchise for the Philippines. The timing was particularly suspicious, as he had been in contact with the Abu Sayyaf terrorists just before and after they conducted an attack in Zamboanga City.

Abu Sayyaf’s nail-filled bomb exploded on October 2, 2002, injuring 23 individuals and killing two Filipinos and one American. That American was U.S. Special Forces Sergeant First Class Mark Wayne Jackson, age 40.

In a tragically familiar scene (above), soldiers bring home the flag-draped casket of another American terror victim. U.S. Special Forces Sergeant First Class Mark Wayne Jackson (right) was killed October 2, 2002 in a bomb attack by Abu Sayyaf, al-Qaeda's Philippine franchise.

As Dan Murphy wrote in the February 26, 2003 Christian Science Monitor, those tell-tale cell phone records bolster the televised claim by Hamsiraji Sali, a top Abu Sayyaf terrorist, that the Iraqi diplomat had offered this group of Islamo-fascists Baghdad’s help with joint missions. 12
Safe Haven for Terrorists
Beyond cash and diplomatic help, Saddam Hussein was the Conrad Hilton of the terrorist world. He provided a place for terrorists to kick back, relax, and reflect after killing people for a living.

After escaping Italian police in October 1985 following the Achille Lauro hijacking (thanks to his Iraqi diplomatic passport), Abu Abbas finally ended up in Baghdad in 1994, where he lived comfortably as one of Saddam Hussein’s guests. U.S. soldiers caught Abbas in Iraq in April 2003. This time, he did not get away. He died last March 9, in American custody, reportedly of natural causes.

Abu Abbas, Iraqi-supported terrorist
Abbas' Baghdad sojourn was not an isolated incident. Saddam Hussein granted avowed international terrorists refuge in Baathist Iraq. Terror mastermind Abu Nidal also enjoyed his hospitality.

Abu Nidal, Iraqi-supported terrorist

Nidal lived comfortably in Iraq between 1999 and August 2002. As the Associated Press reported on August 21, 2002, Nidal’s Beirut office said he entered Iraq “with the full knowledge and preparations of the Iraqi authorities.” 13 Prior to his relocation, he ran the eponymous Abu Nidal Organization — a Palestinian terror network behind attacks in 20 countries, at least 407 confirmed murders, and some 788 other terror-related injuries. Among other savage acts, Nidal’s group used guns and grenades to attack a ticket counter at Rome’s Leonardo da Vinci airport on December 27, 1985. Another cell in Austria simultaneously assaulted Vienna’s airport, killing 19 people.

Rome's Leonardo da Vinci airport littered with corpses after
a December 27, 1985 attack by the Abu Nidal Organization

Among the five Americans that Abu Nidal murdered that day was John Buonocore III, a 20-year-old Fairleigh Dickinson College student who had studied in Rome that fall semester. Buonocore was shot in the back while checking in for his flight home. He had hoped to return to Wilmington, Delaware to help his father celebrate his 50th birthday.



John Buonocore III, terror victim

The New York Times reports that Abu Nidal's Fatah Revolutionary Council murdered the following 17 Americans, at a minimum:

Americans killed in the Abu Nidal Organization's December 27, 1985 attack on Rome's airport:

*John Buonocore III, 20, of Wilmington, Delaware

*Frederick Gage of Madison, Wisconsin

*Natasha Simpson, 11, of New York

*Don Maland of New Port Richey, Florida

*Elena Tomarello, 67, of Naples, Florida

The New York Times, December 29, 1985

American executed during ANO's 1986 hijacking of a Pan Am jet at Karachi, Pakistan's airport:

*Rajesh Kumar of Huntington Beach, California

The New York Times, September 7, 1986

Americans slaughtered in ANO's September 8, 1974 bombing of a TWA jet over the Ionian Sea en route from Israel to Greece, killing all 88 aboard:

*Eitan Bard of Tuckahoe, New York

*Seldon Bard of Tuckahoe, New York

*Ralph H. Bosh of Madison, Connecticut

*Jon L. Cheshire of Old Lyme, Connecticut

*Jeremiah Hadley of Poughkeepsie, New York

*Katherine Hadley Michel of Poughkeepsie, New York

*Frederick Hare of Bernardsville, New Jersey

*Margaret Hare of Bernardsville, New Jersey

*Don H. Holliday of Mahwah, New Jersey

*Dr. Frederick Stohlman of Newton, Massachusetts

*Mrs. Frederick Stohlman of Newton, Massachusetts

The New York Times, September 10, 1974

If there is any justice here, perhaps it is the fact that Abu Nidal died in August 2002. Saddam Hussein’s government claimed that he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head — four times.14

* * *
So far, we have documented that Saddam Hussein harbored terrorists (many with al-Qaeda links) responsible for international mayhem and even the incidental deaths of Americans. But is there any evidence that Iraq sheltered those responsible for attacks on America?

Enter Abdul Rahman Yasin, pictured below in a U.S. State Department "Wanted" poster.
Abdul Rahman Yasin
This Indiana-born, Iraqi-reared terrorist remains wanted by the FBI for his role in the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center attack. President Bill Clinton's Justice Department indicted Yasin for mixing the chemicals in the bomb that exploded in the parking garage beneath the Twin Towers, killing six and injuring 1,042 people in New York.
An NYPD officer escorts a woman suffering from
smoke inhalation after the February 26, 1993 WTC bombing

Soon after the smoke cleared, Yasin returned to Iraq. Coalition forces have discovered documents that show he enjoyed housing and a monthly government salary.

Former ABC News correspondent Sheila MacVicar looked for Yasin, and here is what she reported on July 27, 1994: “Last week, [television program] Day One confirmed [Yasin] is in Baghdad…Just a few days ago, he was seen at [his father’s] house by ABC News. Neighbors told us Yasin comes and goes freely.”

Training for Terrorists

According to dissidents, journalists who have visited, and even United Nations weapons inspectors, Saddam Hussein appears to have offered training to terrorists, in addition to funding, diplomatic help, safe haven and medical care.

The Associated Press reports that Coalition forces shut down at least three terrorist training camps in Iraq. The most notorious of these was the base at Salman Pak, about 15 miles southeast of Baghdad. Before the war, numerous Iraqi defectors said the camp featured a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills. This satellite photo shows an urban assault training site, a three-car train for railway-attack instruction, and a commercial airliner sitting all by itself in the middle of the desert.16


Is this enough evidence that there is and was a connection between Saddam and terrorist? I have more.

No matter how thickly you slice it, its still baloney

http://www.google.co.in/search?q=no+WMDs+in+Iraq&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

"Report concludes no WMD in Iraq

Iraq had no stockpiles of biological, chemical or nuclear weapons before last year's US-led invasion, the chief US weapons inspector has concluded.

Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer said Iraq's nuclear capability had decayed not grown since the 1991 war."

Iraq is about the same size as California. Do you suppose, really suppose, that those inspectors looked everywhere in that whole area? Really? You believe that? Really?

How much crap do you think that you could hide, even in plain sight, in an area as large as California? And if you just tried to hide it just a little, tiny bit?

Baron Max

They could, however, still find them



A recent Raw Story report by Larissa Alexandrovna suggests that the notorious Office of Special Plans didn’t just stovepipe cherry-picked “intelligence” to the White House and press. It also sent teams into Iraq after the invasion began, which, after it became apparent that there were no abundant WMDs, examined the possibility of planting such weapons in order to help the president avoid embarrassment.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan06/Leupp09.htm

Buffalo Roam, why no links to credible sources?

They could, however, still find them.

We could also probably find peace, compassion, goodwill and charity in India, too, but we'd have to look damned long and damned hard to find it! :D

Baron Max

We could also probably find peace, compassion, goodwill and charity in India, too, but we'd have to look damned long and damned hard to find it! :D

Baron Max

I do believe you are baiting me Baron :cool:

We could also probably find peace, compassion, goodwill and charity in India, too, but we'd have to look damned long and damned hard to find it! :D

Baron Max

My turn ;)
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/images/stories/Thomas/friends.jpg

The United States has no real friends. The United States only has “interests.” With the exceptions of Number 10 Downing Street and the militant Israeli leadership, it’s all business.


Should a nation abandon goodwill, honor, economic integrity and rational defense plans, that nation risks losing friends and allies.

America’s friends have been discarded by a reckless Administration aided by a complicit Congress. Inside the smoke and mirrors of Washington DC, allies are sacrificed in pursuit of empire.


After a decade of carefully executed demonizing, it was easy to sell a gullible U.S. public on the mission to remove Saddam. Never mind the fact that many of Saddam’s shockingly oppressive murders of Iraqi citizens were sanctioned by the White House which chose to turn a blind eye as long as Saddam served “American” interests.

No WMDs were found, no rose petals were strewn on the path of the triumphant “liberators,” no democracy formed in Iraq and no one in Iraq believes they are safer today than they were before Bush’s March 2003 invasion.

Eventually another version of Saddam Hussein will gain sufficient dictatorial control of Iraq to end the civil war through the exercise of another iron fist aided by popular, secular support. As long as American interests are protected, will Washington turn a blind eye to a new Iraqi dictator’s brio and send over yet another envoy eager to shake the hand of the ruler of the new regime? Most likely.

Meanwhile, woe to America’s few remaining “friends and allies” who fail to serve U.S. and Bush Family “interests.”
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/594/32/
ouch!

No creditable links, ever story that I have posted was reported in every major news agency around the world, I have posted links addfinitum, but if it don't fit your prejudice you ignore them, hell you don't even read the post before you try to debunk them, you are locked into you own little world and wouldn't know truth if your life depended on it, and the sad fact is that our lives do depend on you finally knowing the truth, how about some credible links from you that show what I have posted is wrong?

I do believe you are baiting me Baron :cool:

No, I'm not, Sam. I'm just doin' some of what you've been doing constantly by using the USA as an example of everything that's bad in the world ...or that the USA has caused all that's bad.

And you'll see soon the massive amount of info I've read on India and the crime, corruption, greed, gluttony, racial hatred, religious hatred, ethnic hatred, and all of the associated violence and death. I'm amazed after reading your glowing accounts of the wonders of India. You should read up on India sometime, I think you'll stop your glowing reports about it.

Baron Max

Maybe the goal (cdkeys) is to see evewreyone on their knees.

Saddam:" Hey Ahmed, come here!"
Ahmed:"Yes boss.."
Saddam:"Go put all these chemical craps from the lab on a truck and get ride of them!!!"

So Ahmed put everything into his truck, drove out to the desert and dumped everything on the sand. They didn't fill files on it, they didn't take pics of it. They just dumped it somewhere a few years ago...

Sabah Khodada, a former Iraqi army captain who once worked at Salman Pak. On October 14, 2001, Khodada granted an interview to PBS television program “Frontline,” stating, “This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world.”
He added: “Training includes hijacking and kidnapping of airplanes, trains, public buses, and planting explosives in cities ... how to prepare for suicidal operations.”
He continued: “We saw people getting trained to hijack airplanes...They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane.” 17

Does that sound familiar?

I find it hard to believe her loyalties lie w\ India, after all she did go to a country she continually villifies for an education.

Saddam:" Hey Ahmed, come here!"
Ahmed:"Yes boss.."
Saddam:"Go put all these chemical craps from the lab on a truck and get ride of them!!!"

So Ahmed put everything into his truck, drove out to the desert and dumped everything on the sand. They didn't fill files on it, they didn't take pics of it. They just dumped it somewhere a few years ago...

People dump stuff in the deserts of California all the time that's not found for years, if at all. There are dead bodies out there that have been there since Adam was a pup .....and no one can find them. There are old, rusted car bodies; old camper trailers; ....and all kinds of stuff that's stumbled upon years and years after the fact.

Iraq and California are pretty damned big places ...I'd sure hate to have to search it all for a few lousy WMDs or anything else! :D

Baron Max

Maybe the goal (cdkeys) is to see evewreyone on their knees.

Depends. What will you be doing there?;)

I find it hard to believe her loyalties lie w\ India, after all she did go to a country she continually villifies for an education.

Sam's family is rich, so $$ was no problem and she/he wanted to see some of the world. Daddy paid for the college, the car, the travel expense, the vacations to NYC and anywhere else she/he wanted to go ...probably with an entourage of huge, deadly bodyguards! :D

Baron Max

I find it hard to believe her loyalties lie w\ India, after all she did go to a country she continually villifies for an education.

Tell me Johnny, what do YOU think of the war in Iraq?

Sam's family is rich, so $$ was no problem and she/he wanted to see some of the world. Daddy paid for the college, the car, the travel expense, the vacations to NYC and anywhere else she/he wanted to go ...probably with an entourage of huge, deadly bodyguards! :D

Baron Max

*sigh*sounds lovely. :)

Depends. What will you be doing there?;)

Where?

Sam's family is rich, so she's/he's accustommed to seeing people kneel before her/him ...it goes with the wealth in India.

Baron Max

Sabah Khodada, a former Iraqi army captain who once worked at Salman Pak. On October 14, 2001, Khodada granted an interview to PBS television program “Frontline,” stating, “This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world.”
He added: “Training includes hijacking and kidnapping of airplanes, trains, public buses, and planting explosives in cities ... how to prepare for suicidal operations.”
He continued: “We saw people getting trained to hijack airplanes...They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane.” 17

Does that sound familiar?

Surprisingly, it does.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/03/heroes_in_error.html

News: How a fake general, a pliant media, and a master manipulator helped lead the United States into war.

Sam's family is rich, so she's/he's accustommed to seeing people kneel before her/him ...it goes with the wealth in India.

Baron Max

Actually they form a line before me and fall down in front of me as I go, so I can walk all over them with my stilletos. :p

Sam's family is rich, so $$ was no problem and she/he wanted to see some of the world. Daddy paid for the college, the car, the travel expense, the vacations to NYC and anywhere else she/he wanted to go ...probably with an entourage of huge, deadly bodyguards! :D

Baron Max

ha ha ha ha, i can picture that. Bodyguards wouldnt stand a chance w\ Sam though:D but either way it's hard not to like her.:o....um, i'll probabably end up editing that later.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)
References
Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government" September 24, 2002
Information on Iraq's Biological Warfare Program 12 November 1993
Major Sites Associated With Iraq's Past WMD Programs UNSCOM 3 December 1997

Salman Pak / Al Salman
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK]

Plans were made in the mid-1980's to develop the Salman Pak site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence.

Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK]

This is getting tedious:
28 September, 2004, keynote Labour conference speeech

"The evidence about Saddam having actual biological and chemical weapons, as opposed to the capability to develop them, has turned out to be wrong. I acknowledge that and accept it. I simply point out, such evidence was agreed by the whole international community, not least because Saddam had used such weapons against his own people and neighbouring countries.

"And the problem is, I can apologise for the information that turned out to be wrong, but I can't, sincerely at least, apologise for removing Saddam.

"The world is a better place with Saddam in prison not in power."

"I can apologise for the information being wrong but I can never apologise, sincerely at least, for removing Saddam. The world is a better place with Saddam in prison."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3692996.stm

[edit] United Nations
In November 2001 Charles Duelfer, then an UNSCOM weapons inspector, also said that Iraqi officials also claimed that the facility was for counterterrorism, but after witnessing the drills performed there he “automatically took out the word 'counter'" dismissing the claim as a fraud [15]. Weapons inspector Richard Sperzel clarified that the dismissal was not backed up by any evidence: "Many of us had our own private suspicions... We had nothing specific as evidence. Yet among ourselves we always referred to it as the terrorist training camp."[16]

United States Military
On April 6, 2003, CENTCOM spokesman, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, told reporters:

“ A raid occurred [at a training camp near Salman Pak] in response to information that had been gained by coalition forces from some foreign fighters that we encountered from other country, not Iraq, and we believe that this camp had been used to train these foreign fighters in terror tactics...Some of these fighters came from Sudan, some from Egypt, some from other places. We have killed a number of them and we have captured a number of them. That's where the information came from...The nature of the work being done by some of those people that we captured, their inferences to the type of training that they received, all of these things give us the impression that there was terrorist training that was conducted at Salman Pak. We did also find some other things there. We found some tanks and destroyed them, we found armored personnel carriers and destroyed them in small numbers. We destroyed buildings that were used for command and control and other buildings that were used for morale and welfare. We destroyed the complex. All of that when you roll it together, the reports, where they're from, why they might be here tell us there's a linkage between this regime and terrorism and that's something that we want to break...There's no indications of specific organizations that I'm aware of inside of that. We may still find it as with all operations that we conduct into a place, we look for more information after the operation is complete. We'll pull documents out of it and see what the documents say, if there's any links or indications. We'll look and see if there's any persons that are recovered that may not be Iraqi. All of that is detailed and deliberate work that happens after the fact.[20]

Syzygys:"Saddam:" Hey Ahmed, come here!"
Ahmed:"Yes boss.."
Saddam:"Go put all these chemical craps from the lab on a truck and get ride of them!!!"

So Ahmed put everything into his truck, drove out to the desert and dumped everything on the sand. They didn't fill files on it, they didn't take pics of it. They just dumped it somewhere a few years ago..."

Saddam never could trust Ahmed with the knowledge that his WMD program was defunct, because Saddam held onto power by keeping various Iraqi factions under intense fear of brutal reprisals.

This was Saddam's fatal trap: He couldn't keep the weapons and avoid international retribution, and he couldn't admit not having them and avoid multiple domestic uprisings.

"They didn't fill files on it, they didn't take pics of it."

But US intel would have. The United States had complete satellite and aerial coverage of everything moving in Iraq then. Every likely weapons cache was designated for early ground recon at the outset of the Invasion. Ahmed couldn't have hid his own shit in the open desert at that time.

The Iraq Survey Group (http://www.answers.com/topic/iraq-survey-group) then conducted an exhaustive and professional search for Saddam's WMDs. They were extremely well staffed and funded. In January 2005 they wrapped up, stating they had "not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003," and acknowledging "the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq, although not of a militarily significant capability."

But US intel would have. The United States had complete satellite and aerial coverage of everything moving in Iraq then.

Couldn't see at night ...can't even see at night now with satellite scanning.

The Iraq Survey Group did a thorough and professional job searching for WMDs. They were extremely well staffed and funded. ....

Ten peoplle and two vehicles to search an area the size of California?! And they did a thorough job of searching???? Who the fuck are you kidding, Hype?? :D

Baron Max

United States Military
On April 6, 2003, CENTCOM spokesman, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, told reporters:

“ A raid occurred [at a training camp near Salman Pak] in response to information that had been gained by coalition forces from some foreign fighters that we encountered from other country, not Iraq, and we believe that this camp had been used to train these foreign fighters in terror tactics...Some of these fighters came from Sudan, some from Egypt, some from other places. We have killed a number of them and we have captured a number of them. That's where the information came from...The nature of the work being done by some of those people that we captured, their inferences to the type of training that they received, all of these things give us the impression that there was terrorist training that was conducted at Salman Pak. We did also find some other things there. We found some tanks and destroyed them, we found armored personnel carriers and destroyed them in small numbers. We destroyed buildings that were used for command and control and other buildings that were used for morale and welfare. We destroyed the complex. All of that when you roll it together, the reports, where they're from, why they might be here tell us there's a linkage between this regime and terrorism and that's something that we want to break...There's no indications of specific organizations that I'm aware of inside of that. We may still find it as with all operations that we conduct into a place, we look for more information after the operation is complete. We'll pull documents out of it and see what the documents say, if there's any links or indications. We'll look and see if there's any persons that are recovered that may not be Iraqi. All of that is detailed and deliberate work that happens after the fact.[20]

Don't you read the news regularly?

This is one of the last rightwing "zombie lies" about Iraq, so here's the truth (courtesy of Media Matters) about Salman Pak:

This training camp, located near Baghdad, has been repeatedly referenced by conservative commentators to justify the Bush administration's claims of an Iraq-Al Qaeda connection. In fact, though some U.S. intelligence officials -- before the U.S. invasion -- believed Saddam was training terrorists at Salman Pak, the Senate Intelligence Committee's 2004 report on pre-war intelligence assessments said the facility was used by the Iraqi Intelligence Service to "train its officers for counterterrorism operations against regime opponents." The committee further stated that it did not receive any evidence that Iraq trained "Arabs of various nationalities at the Salman Pak facility for potential surrogate terror operations" and that CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency analysts confirmed that Al Qaeda "sources" had not reported any knowledge of such training. Investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh reported in the May 12, 2003, edition of The New Yorker that the facility "was overrun by American troops on April 6th [2003]. Apparently, neither the camp nor the former biological facility has yielded evidence to substantiate the claims made before the war."


Lies, damn lies.

Baron Max: "Couldn't see at night "

Bullshit. Infrared sensors made finding moving vehicles much easier at night than in daylight.

"Ten peoplle and two vehicles to search an area the size of California?!"

Bullshit again. 1,400 people were assigned to the ISG, augmented by the cooperative efforts of US and British intel assets, all spurred on by American leadership that was desperate to substantiate the only reasonable justification for the invasion. The WMD search in Iraq was thorough, to say the least.

It appears that the main focus of the group was in and around Baghdad, which mean very little search was carried in the rest of the country.

Organization and Operations
To make the WMD search more manageable, ISG was operationally divided up into several sectors each with its own Sector Control Point. The three sectors were North, Baghdad and South, with Sector Control Point-Baghdad (also known as SCP-B or "skip bee") being the primary and largest. SCP-B and the core of the ISG staff were located on Camp Slayer at the former Al Radwaniyah Presidential Site on Baghdad International Airport in western Baghdad.

Most probably they did not like what they found:

December 10, 2003
UN Security Council members complained on Monday that the US and Britain have refused to give UN weapons inspectors the results of their search for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

UN inspectors withdrew from Iraq in March, just before the US-led invasion, which overthrew Saddam Hussein's government. After the war, the US deployed its own experts and refused to allow the UN inspectors to return.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/1210wmd.htm

hypewaders, 1400 people to search a country the size of Iraq? that breaks down to 121 square miles per man, and how many of the 1400 were actual inspectors, this number includes security, office personnel, and the support people, so looking at the normal number of people in support of operations at about 10 to 1, that means 140 inspectors, which means that each inspector was responsible for 1209 sq. miles of territory and if you look at the fact that there were 3 inspection teams that means that each team was responsible for 56414 sq. miles of Iraq, and again were did they do most of their inspections, in the cities? so how through do you think they could be?

CNS is not a real news organization.

What is it then?

Originally the Conservative News Service, it was quietly changed over the summer to Cybercast News Service.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/cnschange.html

Baron Max: "very little search was carried in the rest of the country."

Not only are you full of shit, you are also insulting many fine soldiers and government workers, some of whom gave their lives looking for weapons that weren't there.

More background: MAJ Kevin Brown (http://cgsc.cdm.oclc.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/p4013coll13&CISOPTR=96&REC=4) (click on "access this item")

"so how through do you think they could be?"

Very thorough. They didn't miss anything.

Really, then why are Chemical and Biological weapons still turning up?

There are old weapons there, dangerous but probably out of date, hardly a stockpile that Iraq could use in any strategic way.

Baron Max: "Really, then why are Chemical and Biological weapons still turning up?"

Please post any evidence you have of significant finds. I've seen no credible reports of the kind googling around. What I have discovered are the names of a few of the men who were killed while assigned to the search for WMDs in Iraq:

SSG Clinton Lee Wisdom from Atchison, Kansas
SPC Don Clary from Troy, Kansas
SGT Sherwood R. Baker from Plymouth, Pennsylvania

"There are old weapons there, dangerous...

Please be specific, spidergoat. What weapons. Of what danger to the American Homeland. The issue is confined to strategic weapons. Not just mortars and rusty shells, but Weapons of Mass Destruction. Please don't lose touch with the relevance of what we went to war for.

But US intel would have. The United States had complete satellite and aerial coverage of everything moving in Iraq then.

You read too much James Bond. As it was mentioned, Iraq is California sized and Ahmed could have done that little dumping back in 1995 or earlier. You think the US was watching everything (and it is possible to do so?) in Iraq?

Not to mention cloudy days...

You read too much James Bond. As it was mentioned, Iraq is California sized and Ahmed could have done that little dumping back in 1995 or earlier. You think the US was watching everything (and it is possible to do so?) in Iraq?

Not to mention cloudy days...

So why wait until now? Why not get the WMDs in 1995?

Buffalo, you need to read this:
https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

Syzygys: "You read too much James Bond."

I can't stand James Bond. But I did serve in US Naval Intelligence. Remote sensing technology is fascinating.

"You think the US was watching everything (and it is possible to do so?) in Iraq?"

Not to mention cloudy days...

Shamals are the bigger challenge. But you can't haul much of anything anywhere in those conditions. Sorry, the mystery and intrigue is long over now.

The US was capable of monitoring any significant movements in the Iraqi desert, and that we followed up this monitoring with on-site inspections. We gathered enough human intelligence to reveal Saddam's major weapons command structure as well as his major weapons storage and disposal operations. There are records of what chemical weapons and CW precursors were purchased by Saddam, and when and where they were expended or destroyed. These records have been verified by physical inspection of disposal sites. This was all through the well-documented work of the UN teams, Task Force 20, the 75th XTF, and finally the ISG.

Ultimately, the search was not abandoned because the US government lacked the will to search for and find WMD. On the contrary, the Bush Administration was extremely motivated to see their accusations substantiated. This has proven impossible. The search for Iraqi WMDs has been abandoned because the WMD have been accounted for, to the extent of proving beyond reasonable doubt that there were no appreciable stockpiles of WMD at the time of the US invasion of Iraq.

This is an uncomfortable conclusion for those who wish to believe the pre-war rhetoric. But unless you can produce more definitive evidence than has emerged from years of investigation by thousands of qualified personnel, I'm sorry, but you're only denying the deception you're still under without basis.

For the first time in more than 20 years, U.S. nuclear-weapons scientists are designing a new H-bomb, the first of probably several new nuclear explosives on the drawing boards.I can sleep better at night knowing that, that's a good thing.

So why wait until now? Why not get the WMDs in 1995?

This argument doesn't prove anything.

It supports the reasonable conclusion that no credible Iraqi WMD threat emerged during Desert Storm either.

Originally Posted by samcdkey
So why wait until now? Why not get the WMDs in 1995?

Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/bushsr-iraq.htm


While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.

So now we are going to pull out, and not complete the Mission? what do you think is going to happen when we pull out, I do believe that we will see the breakup of Iraq which will then lead to the destabilization of the area as it comes under the influence of Radical Islam, the terrorist that you defend so well.
As for (Cara Pinia), Noriega fled during the attack and a manhunt ensued. He finally turned up in the Nunciature, the Holy See embassy in Panama, where he had taken refuge. U.S. troops set up a perimeter outside this building, which as an embassy was considered sovereign soil of the Vatican and could not be taken directly, as this would be considered an invasion of the Vatican City. The troops guarding it used psychological warfare, attempting to force him out by playing hard rock music outside the residence. [4] (PDF file)

The Vatican complained to President Bush because of this and U.S. troops stopped the noise. After a demonstration a few days later by thousands of Panamanians demanding he stand trial for human rights violations, Noriega surrendered on January 3, 1990.

ps: what does Noriega have to do with this ?, we didn't have any problem finding him.

So now we are going to pull out, and not complete the Mission? what do you think is going to happen when we pull out, I do believe that we will see the breakup of Iraq which will then lead to the destabilization of the area as it comes under the influence of Radical Islam, the terrorist that you defend so well.

The mission doesn't depend on us, but on the will of the Iraqis trained to replace us. It isn't looking good, since most of them are partisan. I think you are correct about the consequences, which is probably why Bush 41 never invaded Iraq. Bush will be to blame for radicalizing Iraq.

How does the mission not depend on us?, yes the will of the Iraqi is important, and it seem that they do have the will, just look at the Iraqi's that line back up to join their Police forces and military right after the recruiting lines have been bombed, we are training them as fast as is possible, and if we leave, there is no chance that the killing will stop, and there is a good chance that the country will fragment and destabilize the whole area, the power void that will be created will be filled by other powers, Iran, Syria, Russia, Turkey, China, the gains in Afghanistan will disappear and a good chance that the Taliban could reestablished. War is a contest of wills, if you have the will and the weapons you will win, the terrorist have the will, but they don't have the weapons, and can you really defend their goals? what is their goal, I have my idea of what there goal is from reading there manifestos, I would like to hear what you think there goal is?

How do you know the Iraqi fighters that the US is training are also not the ones who are becoming the militants?

Seems to me they would try to get the benefit of a Western education as much as anyone else.

Yes, the police is full of infiltrators, and the prospect of a job is attractive but doesn't necessarily bring loyal recruits.

Yes, Bush did destabilize the region, and it is debateable if there is any viable solution. The Iraq Study Group does not recommend further involvement. It's easy to commit others, but Americans are responding that's enough. It seems you're a real gun-ho SOB, but Americans are sick of dying and paying the price for a foothold on Iraq's oil.

The mission doesn't depend on us, but on the will of the Iraqis trained to replace us. It isn't looking good, since most of them are partisan. I think you are correct about the consequences, which is probably why Bush 41 never invaded Iraq. Bush will be to blame for radicalizing Iraq.

Maybe some people expected freedom to be fought for more vigorously????

Maybe some people expected freedom to be fought for more vigorously????

which people and what freedom?

Maybe some people expected freedom to be fought for more vigorously????

Maybe some people expected the Iraqis to embrace their occupiers? They are a proud people, and we are privatizing their most lucrative resource, and building apparently permanent bases. Freedom for Bush only means free markets, which means leave the corporations alone to do what they wish.

Maybe some people expected the Iraqis to embrace their occupiers?

As I've heard it, there's only about 2500-3500 radical, violent Iraqis fighting and blowing things up. From that, you conclude that all Iraqis are against the US and the Maliki government? I think there's about 12 million Iraqis, so 2500-3500 represents the feelings of all Iraqis?

Baron Max

The Maliki government represents the interests of the Shia most of all, so it follows that the Shia mostly concentrate on killing Sunnis and Americans.

So how can you keep calling it a civil war? And especially when so few are actually fighting it? I'm confused by your posts. It seems like you're just parroting what you've heard others say ...without give it any thought of your own.

Baron Max

So how can you keep calling it a civil war? And especially when so few are actually fighting it? I'm confused by your posts. It seems like you're just parroting what you've heard others say ...without give it any thought of your own.

Baron Max

When two or more political factions in a country are fighting for the central seat in government it is usually called a civil war. Even if some of the political factions are a minority. Its all the Shias vs all the Sunnis vs all the Kurds. They have political wings and militant wings.

which people and what freedom?

I dont think the average Iraqi wants to live with the porospect being blown to pieces.

I think the Iraqi government was the direct result of the citizens voting them into office.

I think the average Iraqi is more than happy to be free from Saddam.

I think (though it is common knowledge) Saddam harbored terrrorists.

I think that if not for outside influences Iraqi's would be able to live a normal post-Saddam existence.

Am i wrong?

So how can you keep calling it a civil war? And especially when so few are actually fighting it? I'm confused by your posts. It seems like you're just parroting what you've heard others say ...without give it any thought of your own.

Baron Max

You don't know how many are fighting it, do you? I asked how you knew that.

It may seem like you heard my opinions before, but that shouldn't keep you from providing a reasonable response.

That confusion? It could be reality trying to sink in.

I dont think the average Iraqi wants to live with the porospect being blown to pieces.
True.

I think the Iraqi government was the direct result of the citizens voting them into office.
It was indirect, they never voted for actual people.

I think the average Iraqi is more than happy to be free from Saddam.That's debatable, some Iraqis I have read that were happy to be free of Saddam have changed their minds.

I think (though it is common knowledge) Saddam harbored terrorists.Not really, certainly no Al Quida.

I think that if not for outside influences Iraqi's would be able to live a normal post-Saddam existence.
Sure, outside influences like us.

1) Shipped to syria?

2) Destroyed?I read in Time last week that the vial of pure white power that General Colin Powell held up at the UN was shocking to those who were working in Iraq on WMD. They said yes- it is true that a small vial he held could kill many people – but that was if it were weapons-grade made in the USA powder. The same type of powder in Iraq was ALWAYS a dark brown sludge. In essence – Iraqies were crap at making chemicals for WMD. They NEVER had purified it to a white crystal as General Colin Powell displayed.

Also, they noted that, even the while stuff was only good for 4 months - and within two years anyone could put it on their hamburger and eat it!

In short: Iraqies were CRAP at making WMD and it goes off in 4 MONTHS.

Michael

The vial Powell held up was just a model, same with the mobile weapons lab drawings. I'm sure he's regretting his role in the Iraq deception now.

The vial Powell held up was just a model, same with the mobile weapons lab drawings. I'm sure he's regretting his role in the Iraq deception now.Well yea, but even his model was disingenuous. He should have held up a Tupperware container of pudding and said “Well this probably isn’t going to do much and in 4 months it will do nothing at all!!"

:)
Michael

It depends, chemical weapons can last, but the metal casings corrode.

It depends, chemical weapons can last, but the metal casings corrode. Hmmm I still thought many decompose quickly - anyway he used anthrax as his demonstation which is why he could say so many Americans would die from such a small vial of powder - and that Saddam was trying to make and use this very same agent against us.

Either way, he was full of shit and knew it!

Boy, are you badly informed...

you conclude that all Iraqis are against the US and the Maliki government?

You missed the poll saying that 80% if Iraqis want the US out?

I think there's about 12 million Iraqis,

Make that 26 millions...

Wikipedia is your friend.... :)

Michael
Also, they noted that, even the while stuff was only good for 4 months - and within two years anyone could put it on their hamburger and eat it!

What is you expertise in Chemical and Biological, there were stock piles from WWII that are still lethal 50 years after the war, and still killing people, so I do question you assertion, not only because of the evidence but also because I went through the CBR school in the U.S. Army and the information that I was given is that much of this stuff can be dried, and the reconstituted by exposing it to water when needed. there are many biologicals that can be processed this way.

http://www.nti.org/db/china/acwpos.htm


Background:

Between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese Imperial Army deployed and used chemical weapons (CW) in China. Estimates of CW attacks in China during this period range from 889 to 2,900. Prior to 1945, Japan produced an estimated seven million chemical munitions, for which four million are currently unaccounted. Scholars have deduced that by 1945 the Japanese Imperial Army had used CW in China more than in any other country, contributing to an estimated 80,000 injuries and 10,000 fatalities during WWII, as well as 2,000 casualties since the end of the war. [Peter O'Meara Evans, "Destruction of Abandoned Chemical Weapons in China," September 1997, BICC Paper Series (No. 13), p. 2].

Asian Holocaust : WMD Opium, Sex Slaves, Nanjing Massacre, Pillage ...
50 % of Japanese soldiers died in WWII, were annihilated in China. ... In 2004, 2 children were injured by Japanese WMD Chemical Weapon leaking mustard gas ...
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/japan.html

WEEKLY TREAT Y UPDAT E Destruction of Chemical Weapons Far Behind ...
abandoned by the Imperial Japanese Army at the end of World War II, ... One Chinese. man died after being exposed to toxic liquid and many others were ...
http://dtirp.dtra.mil/tic/WTR/wtr_30apr04.pdf

Iraq is about the same size as California. Do you suppose, really suppose, that those inspectors looked everywhere in that whole area? Really? You believe that? Really?

How much crap do you think that you could hide, even in plain sight, in an area as large as California? And if you just tried to hide it just a little, tiny bit?

Except that you seem to forget that:

" We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat. - Donald Rumsfeld"

Now with Tikrit being mentioned, that narrows it down big time from being the size of California, until you realize how full of crap he is when he says they're north, south, east, and west of there meaning he has absolutely no intelligence about em just like the rest of his pre-war intel on Iraq's WMDs.

- N

Sam, I know you've already posted the quotes from Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush themselves stating that the WMD intelligence in Iraq was wrong and they've called off the searches, but hey, after all the lying that administration has done, I don't blame Baron or Buffalo for continuing to do all they can to prove them wrong and find those WMDs, lol.

- N

Now with Tikrit being mentioned, that narrows it down big time from being the size of California, until you realize how full of crap he is when he says they're north, south, east, and west of there meaning he has absolutely no intelligence about em just like the rest of his pre-war intel on Iraq's WMDs.

So what? That still doesn't mean that they're not buried somewhere out in the desert. And if they are, if we find 'em, it'll almost purely accidental.

And by the way, it was not only our own intel that noted his possession of WMDs, so don't forget that, okay? There were other nations' intel which was also used.

But that's okay, Neildo, I understand that you're seeking every excuse that you can find to surrender to a few radical, violent Muslims. That's okay ...you can just admit that you want to surrender, I won't hate your guts any more than I do now. :D

Baron Max

So Bush lied again when he said there were no WMD's? btw chemical weapons aren't WMD's. Everybody has chem weapons. Even the poorest of the sub Saharan African countries. The Right is desperate now that there is no more boogeyman to be terrified of in Iraq, besides the rebels we created.

So what? That still doesn't mean that they're not buried somewhere out in the desert. And if they are, if we find 'em, it'll almost purely accidental.

What, you doubt the words of Rumsfeld clearly (heh) saying that they're in the vicinity of Tikrit?

And by the way, it was not only our own intel that noted his possession of WMDs, so don't forget that, okay? There were other nations' intel which was also used.

Regardless of where the intel came from, it all turned out to be crap. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Looks like our intelligence service was put to shame ten fold with such a crapload of fooled intelligence.

But that's okay, Neildo, I understand that you're seeking every excuse that you can find to surrender to a few radical, violent Muslims. That's okay ...you can just admit that you want to surrender, I won't hate your guts any more than I do now.

Our mission isn't to fight the radical Muslims, that's just a side perk. Since our mission is now null and void, we don't belong there. You just don't wanna admit that we screwed up.

- N

Sam, I know you've already posted the quotes from Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush themselves stating that the WMD intelligence in Iraq was wrong and they've called off the searches, but hey, after all the lying that administration has done, I don't blame Baron or Buffalo for continuing to do all they can to prove them wrong and find those WMDs, lol.

- N

Q: Whats harder to find than the WMDs?

A: A single thing done right by the GWB administration.:D

Q: Whats harder to find than the WMDs?

A: A single thing done right by the GWB administration.:DLOL!!! They can't even pull off an execution right! Their puppet death squads, the puppet regime, the Civil War, the right knows how to screw up royally. Now they are sidelined by democrats! Priceless.

LOL!!! They can't even pull off an execution right! like every Arab country in the middle east.

like every Arab country in the middle east.They execute quite well. Bush's puppet junta is a joke.

Background:

Between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese Imperial Army deployed and used chemical weapons (CW) in China. Estimates of CW attacks in China during this period range from 889 to 2,900. Prior to 1945, Japan produced an estimated seven million chemical munitions, for which four million are currently unaccounted. Scholars have deduced that by 1945 the Japanese Imperial Army had used CW in China more than in any other country, contributing to an estimated 80,000 injuries and 10,000 fatalities during WWII, as well as 2,000 casualties since the end of the war. [Peter O'Meara Evans, "Destruction of Abandoned Chemical Weapons in China," September 1997, BICC Paper Series (No. 13), p. 2].

Asian Holocaust : WMD Opium, Sex Slaves, Nanjing Massacre, Pillage ...
50 % of Japanese soldiers died in WWII, were annihilated in China. ... In 2004, 2 children were injured by Japanese WMD Chemical Weapon leaking mustard gas ...
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/japan.html

WEEKLY TREAT Y UPDAT E Destruction of Chemical Weapons Far Behind ...
abandoned by the Imperial Japanese Army at the end of World War II, ... One Chinese. man died after being exposed to toxic liquid and many others were ...
http://dtirp.dtra.mil/tic/WTR/wtr_30apr04.pdfWell, firstly, this was what I read in Time and was their opinion and is supposedly their field of expertise.

But, people dieing can’t really be argued with. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Japanese CW weren’t much more refined and purified relative to Saddam’s. Let’s face it Japanese would probably do a more diligent job in this regards.

Secondly, even though people have been harmed – are they still “weapons grade” to the level they could be deployed against mass numbers of Americans. Lets face it – even a rock can kill, but I’m not willing to waste tax money attacking people who throw rocks at effigies of GW Bush!

Anyway – most people now agree that Saddam was fully disarmed under the UN resolutions administered under Clinton’s administration. Surely you agree to that?


Michael

Anyway – most people now agree that Saddam was fully disarmed under the UN resolutions administered under Clinton’s administration. Surely you agree to that?

So ...if "most people" agree with something, then it must be true? Interesting concept.

Surely you also realize that at the time of the invasion, the UN had numerous resolutions against Sadman for his weapons violations, right? So how do you conclude that he was fully disarmed?

Baron Max

So ...if "most people" agree with something, then it must be true? Interesting concept.

I heard you say many times that 'most' americans choose for Bush and hence it must be true that the nation wanted him.

I heard you say many times that 'most' americans choose for Bush and hence it must be true that the nation wanted him.

No, Spurious, you didn't hear me say that ....what you heard me say was that President Bush and the congress of the USA were DULY ELECTED by the people of the USA. Big difference, huh?

Baron Max

No, Spurious, you didn't hear me say that ....what you heard me say was that President Bush and the congress of the USA were DULY ELECTED by the people of the USA. Big difference, huh?

Baron Max

I believe the duly part has been contested.

I believe the duly part has been contested.

And what does that mean? So what if it's been contested?
Should the entire government come to stop until no one ever contests an election?

Baron Max

Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
I believe the duly part has been contested.

The election had been contested, and found to have been legal, and had been certified correct, the contest is over.

The Florida deal in 2000 was supposed to have been settled by the Florida legislature (Republican), but it didn't happen for some reason.

It was, but the Democrat's went to the Supreme Court, and lost there, so the election was certified as correct.

So ...if "most people" agree with something, then it must be true? Interesting concept. Of course not.

That said, the President is a paid servant that is supposed to weight the evidence and make a just decision. The “Decider” did no such thing. The evidence has shown that he and his ilk (Darth Cheney) had plans already in place to attack Iraq and simply used 9/11 (which had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq) as an excuse.

Surely you also realize that at the time of the invasion, the UN had numerous resolutions against Sadman for his weapons violations, right? So how do you conclude that he was fully disarmed? meanwhile over in oil-poor North Korea…..


Come on,
Michael

Michael, provide site proof that the president ever linked Saddam with 9/11, the only thing that I can find for the reason that we went to Iraq, has to do with enforcement of the 1991 Cease Fire which Saddam wasn't living up to, no mention of 9/11 in any of the speech's as the reason for the enforcement of the Cease Fire Treaty.

ps: The President is paid to make decisions on the information at hand, and he don't have the ability to Monday morning quarter back, when he make a decision it is in the game, not after.

The president never fails to mention the 9/11 attacks when he talks about Iraq. When pressed he had to admit that there is no real connection, but he did try his best to make it appear so.

spidergoat, please post a coppy of the speach were he uses 9/11 as a reason for taking out Saddam?

Buffalo Roam,

Let me get this straight.
1) Yes or No: Was the American public lead to believe that Saddam was connected in some manner with Al Qaeda?

2) Did not the president i that Saddam was trying to obtain uranium from NA and that he may Get The Bomb? And imply that the next time we saw a 9/11 it may be a mushroom cloud?

Come off it - we know the WH had plans to attack Iraq and had the intent to do so pre-9/11 and we also know that the American-public's fear precipitated by 9/11 was disingenuously used to justify an unwarranted attack on Iraq. In my mind a criminal offense.

Don't rewrite history,
Michael

PS: In the weeks before the attack on Iraq, many Americans I talked with would inadvertently say Bin Laden when they meant to say Saddam. Don't tell me that they were not led to believe Saddam was linked with Al Qaeda because that’s exactly what the WH did and that’s exactly what most Americans felt and why now so many feel betrayed and lied to.

provide site proof that the president ever linked Saddam with 9/11

He's never flat out said it, because that'd be an obvious bad thing to do, but he sure as heck tries to make us think it. Politicians aren't blunt, they use deceptive and ambiguous wording to imply and fool us as that's the only way we'd go along with their crooked plans, surely you know that.

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/pdfs_108_2/pdfs_inves/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf

UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM — MINORITY STAFF
SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION
MARCH 16, 2004
IRAQ ON THE RECORD
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S PUBLIC STATEMENTS ON IRAQ

President Bush made 55 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 27 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 55 misleading statements by President Bush, 4 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 14 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 18 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 19 misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Vice President Cheney made 51 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 25 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 51 misleading statements by Vice President Cheney, 1 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 22 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 7 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 21
misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Secretary Rumsfeld made 52 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 23 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 52 misleading statements by Secretary Rumsfeld; 5 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 18 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 21 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 8 misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Secretary Powell made 50 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 34 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 50 misleading statements by Secretary Powell, 1 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 10 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 32 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 7 misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Ms. Rice made 29 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 16 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 29 misleading statements by Ms. Rice, 17 concerned Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 6 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 6 misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Note, the above is a list up until March 16th, 2004, mainly before the war, so a lot of choice things the Bush administration has said aren't listed here although there's loads of youtube and google footage of it.

- N

1) Yes or No: Was the American public lead to believe that Saddam was connected in some manner with Al Qaeda?

This is just a quick example, but I remember the numerous polls done by Fox News, CNN, Zogby, etc etc, about people thinking Saddam had something to do with 9/11:

http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

"Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks"

Surely the people of the U.S. don't just come up with that connection of Saddam and 9/11 for the hell of it, no? Surely some sort of steaming pile of deceptive bullshit had to be fed to them through the media by the Bush administration; we've all see it ourselves on live press conferences.

- N

Lets take a quick walk down memory lane:

Why Do We Think Saddam’s Connected to 9/11? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3067794) Sept. 29 2003 Newsweek
- According to the polls, more than two thirds of the American public believes that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks.


Geee must have been a coincidence....
:bugeye:
MII

That's 2003


How about umm, NOW?

Large percentages of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attack. Recent polls show that 32% still believe that Iraq gave substantial support to al-Qaeda, and 18% believe that Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 attack. WXIA-TV in Atlanta posted viewers comments about Hussein’s execution on its web site. Atlantan Janet Wesselhoft was confident that Saddam Hussein is "the one who started terrorism in this country, he needs to be put to rest."
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=89762


hehehe:D


Maybe the same group that believes this?

Half of Americans Still Believe In WMDs - They Saw Them on TV
Submitted by John Stauber on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 19:04.
Topics: Iraq | propaganda | media

A recent Harris Poll reports found that while “the U.S. and other countries have not found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, surprisingly more U.S. adults (50%) think that Iraq had such weapons when the U.S. invaded Iraq. This is an increase from 36 percent in February 2005.”
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5067

Hilarious.:m:

Still you haven't provided proof that the President ever connected 9/11 to Saddam, what the news media did may be something else, but you still haven't posted any proof that the President ever used 9/11 as a reason to take Saddam out, so your blowing democratic smoke to claim he did, it was the democrats who started this with their accusations that this was the reason that the President gave, but there is no record of him ever making such a statement.

Buffalo Roam,

Did you miss Neildo's post all together:

UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM — MINORITY STAFF
SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION
MARCH 16, 2004
IRAQ ON THE RECORD
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S PUBLIC STATEMENTS ON IRAQ

President Bush made 55 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 27 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 55 misleading statements by President Bush, 4 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 14 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 18 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 19 misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Vice President Cheney made 51 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 25 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 51 misleading statements by Vice President Cheney, 1 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 22 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 7 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 21misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Secretary Rumsfeld made 52 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 23 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 52 misleading statements by Secretary Rumsfeld; 5 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent threat; 18 exaggerated Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons; 21 overstated Iraq’s chemical or biological weapons capacity; and 8 misrepresented Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.

Secretary Powell made 50 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 34 separate public statements or appearances.
Of the 50 misleading statements by Secretary Powell, 1 claimed that Iraq posed an urgent th