John J. Bannan
08-07-07, 01:27 PM
Prior to those tree hugging, mystical pagan worshippers, what did people do on Sundays?
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View Full Version : What existed before paganism? John J. Bannan 08-07-07, 01:27 PM Prior to those tree hugging, mystical pagan worshippers, what did people do on Sundays? draqon 08-07-07, 01:30 PM Prior to those tree hugging, mystical pagan worshippers, what did people do on Sundays? go on with their lifes. Hunt mammoth. Eat stake. Sleep. Make tools. Maybe have some celebrations. But the question here is...did people really acknowledge the days of the week...and I highly doubt it. So sundays to them was as mondays... John J. Bannan 08-07-07, 01:33 PM Well, for example, what did the people who built stonehenge worship or do as a religion? draqon 08-07-07, 01:38 PM Well, for example, what did the people who built stonehenge worship or do as a religion? paganism. Celts were pagans...weren't they? spidergoat 08-07-07, 01:39 PM Weren't they Druids? SnakeLord 08-07-07, 02:26 PM Stonehenge is actually a large clock. It works well too.. :D What did the builders do? Other than drag big bits of rock all over the place, they probably hunted and cooked and stuff like that. draqon 08-07-07, 02:28 PM Stonehenge is actually a large clock. It works well too.. at Night...? Especially in England with clouds and smog all the time... SnakeLord 08-07-07, 02:32 PM at Night...? Especially in England with clouds and smog all the time... You know, you saying that actually instinctively made me turn round and look outside. To my amazement there is this awesome sunset.. very few clouds and no smog! Stick that up your bum and smoke it :D draqon 08-07-07, 02:34 PM You know, you saying that actually instinctively made me turn round and look outside. To my amazement there is this awesome sunset.. very few clouds and no smog! Stick that up your bum and smoke it :D well the true purpose of my comment was to evoke that sort of response and find out were you live. And you fell for that. So now...let me just check here in my long list all the locations of the members here....SnakeLord...UK...check. okie...dokiee... Medicine*Woman 08-07-07, 02:35 PM Weren't they Druids? ************* M*W: I don't think they all were Druids. I thought Druids were pagan priests or something. draqon 08-07-07, 02:36 PM ************* M*W: I don't think they all were Druids. I thought Druids were pagan priests or something. exactly...so they are just pagans. SnakeLord 08-07-07, 02:38 PM And you fell for that. So now...let me just check here in my long list all the locations of the members here....SnakeLord...UK...check Dude, my great, great, great, great... (sod it.. add a bunch of greats), grandfather was a druid. I am well versed in druid practices so you best watch yourself unless you want me to do some druidy spell thingy and turn you into... well... something, I dunno. I can manage a hedgehog, you ok with that? spidergoat 08-07-07, 02:39 PM The term "Pagan" is a Christian adaptation of the "Gentile" of Judaism, and as such has an inherent Christian or Abrahamic bias, and pejorative connotations among Westerners,[2] comparable to heathen, and infidel, mushrik and kafir (كافر) in Islam. For this reason, ethnologists avoid the term "Paganism", with its uncertain and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths, preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism, pantheism, or animism. [wiki] draqon 08-07-07, 02:40 PM something, I dunno. I can manage a hedgehog, you ok with that? I actually love hedgehogs...I had one once when I was 5 years old and the hedgehog ran up to my father and bit his toe. :p that was funny. Hapsburg 08-07-07, 02:40 PM Well, for example, what did the people who built Stonehenge worship or do as a religion? Shamanism/Animism. Human religion for over 200,000 years was almost entirely shamanistic, which is a form of paganism/polytheism. Henotheism, and later monotheism, didn't really enter the picture until about 5000 years ago. The guys who built Stonehenge were probably neolithic Celts, and thus were animist. "Pagan", as you would call it. Weren't they Druids? The Druids were just a caste in Celtic society. A lot like the Brahmins in India, they had priestly duties, but they weren't just priests; they also had responsibilities corresponding to roles of the scholar, magistrate, judge, arbitrator, and healer. Wisdom_Seeker 08-07-07, 02:42 PM Pagan comes from the latin "paganus", which means "old country dweller, rustic". The term "Pagan" is a Christian adaptation of the "Gentile" of Judaism; and it was first used in the current Era. Not a single chance that it was the first religion. John J. Bannan 08-07-07, 02:47 PM So, in worshipping animals - what do you do? Bow down to them? Slaughter them? Pour their blood over your head? SnakeLord 08-07-07, 02:48 PM I actually love hedgehogs...I had one once when I was 5 years old and the hedgehog ran up to my father and bit his toe. that was funny Lol. ------ John: Only so much can be pieced together without the written word which causes many problems, (I suppose it's why Egyptology exists as it does but you don't tend to hear of Celtology - all the "writings" left by the Egyptians). To quote wiki: "Britain has been inhabited by members of the homo genus for hundreds of thousands of years and by homo sapiens for tens of thousands of years. However, none of the pre-Roman inhabitants of Britain had any written language, so their history, culture and way of life are known only through archaeological finds." Without written records, your question will be difficult to answer. Wisdom_Seeker 08-07-07, 02:48 PM So, in worshipping animals - what do you do? Bow down to them? Slaughter them? Pour their blood over your head? which culture, religion or cult are you talking about? Hapsburg 08-07-07, 03:00 PM Pagan comes from the latin "paganus", which means "old country dweller, rustic". The term "Pagan" is a Christian adaptation of the "Gentile" of Judaism; and it was first used in the current Era. Not a single chance that it was the first religion. True; it was initially used as a derisive term; however, now, it can be used (but by no means is universally used) as a catch-all term for the many kinds of polytheism, animism, shamanism, and pantheism. If one goes by that definition, "paganism" can be considered the first family of religions. But, it is too broad a term to be considered "the first religion". Wisdom_Seeker 08-07-07, 03:01 PM probably the first religion was a "Sun cult" or something, we´ll probably never know. spidergoat 08-07-07, 03:02 PM Judging by the first human artifacts, the original religion was a fertility cult. http://aeiou.iicm.tugraz.at/aeiou.encyclop.data.image.v/v136200a.jpg Hey, is that medicine woman? ...oh baby! Hubba hubba. Wisdom_Seeker 08-07-07, 03:16 PM lol Hapsburg 08-11-07, 12:56 AM Yeah. Fertility cults seem the be the more common among early human religions, as shown by examples of clay pottery and such stuff in the original places of human settlement. Fertility cults are generally, as that statues well shows, female-centred. There is some evidence to suggest that the first theistic cults were goddess cults, and it was like that for tens of thousands of years. Then, quite suddenly, in the 10,000s BCE, when we invented writing and literature, something happened. Some people, I've read, think that it was the development of literature that jump-started increased use and stimulation of the the "masculine" part of the brain, which prompted the increased development in the concept of male deities in human religions. SkinWalker 08-11-07, 08:08 AM Prior to those tree hugging, mystical pagan worshippers, what did people do on Sundays? Your OP is replete with logical fallacy from the very first word. You assume not only that your god is the correct one but that the god(s) worshiped by other religions before your own were not only of the wrong god but that they had some ritual of "hugging trees." Since the OP is clearly some sort of bigoted and undereducated response from one religious cult against all others, this thread is closed. Should Mr. Bannan wish to continue the conversation, perhaps he would be willing to create a more detailed OP that is less bigoted and demonstrates some modicum of genuine desire to have a conversation rather than simply berate all cults other than his own. |