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greenberg
05-18-08, 12:23 PM
There is the view that being narrow-minded, rigid is negative in some way, wrong, bad.


Question:

What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?

Myles
05-18-08, 12:28 PM
There is the view that being narrow-minded, rigid is negative in some way, wrong, bad.


Question:

What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?

Being narrow-minded implies that one is not open to new ideas. This entails a belief that one already knows all there is to know which betokens ignorance.


A rigid mind is not open to change. It can lead to fanaticism.

cosmictraveler
05-18-08, 12:39 PM
What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?[QUOTE]

Nothing is "wrong". Many people enjoy having "narrow minds" and go happily through life without any problems whatsoever. It is only those people who claim that they are "open minded" that hassle others wanting them to become open minded as they are. In our world there's room for everyone and learning how to understand each other is a real goal for everyone.

[QUOTE]What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?[/

Again there's nothing wrong with having an open mind, just don't try to make others open minded if they care not to be and try to keep that in your open mind as well.

Arkantos
05-18-08, 11:30 PM
Whenever you accept some ideas you're simultaneously closing yourself off to others.

Calling people narrow minded or saying that someone is not open minded is basically an insult people throw at others when they can't convince them to accept their views.

It's like who are you trying to kid man? lulz

Mrs.Lucysnow
05-19-08, 10:05 AM
What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?

Well thoughts specifically new ones cannot get through because the space is sooo narrow.

What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?

A rigid mind is like an atrophied muscle, suffering from lack of movement. It lacks flexibility.

clusteringflux
05-19-08, 10:36 AM
"Some people are so open minded that it seems their brain has fallen out."

Mrs.Lucysnow
05-19-08, 10:46 AM
(Offers open hand)

Here you dropped a few.

Myles
05-19-08, 03:19 PM
(Offers open hand)

Here you dropped a few.

To drop something entails having that something in the first place. Can you be sure he dropped anything ?

clusteringflux
05-19-08, 03:37 PM
High five! Your jokes suck.

Myles
05-19-08, 04:00 PM
High five! Your jokes suck.

Thanks. We aim to please.

Syzygys
05-19-08, 06:28 PM
Philosophically speaking there is nothing WRONG with closed mindedness. And people can be closed minded by choice. Let's say if I am happy the way i think and the way how things go, what is the purpose of opening my mind up and most likely screw things up? (based on the what is not broken let's not fix)

cosmictraveler
05-19-08, 06:48 PM
Look at the Amish people. To many they are "narrow minded" but they have survived these many centuries without failing in their ways as yet. Should they be ridiculed for their so called narrow mindedness or complimented for being so ecologically aware?:shrug:

Archie
05-19-08, 08:46 PM
We are all 'narrow-minded' about something or other. I refuse to consider breathing water or eating dog droppings, for instance. (But if 'open-mindedness' is your nee plus ultra, you go right ahead and give it a whirl, bunky.)

Usually when someone accuses another of 'narrow-mindedness' they are simply berating that other of not agreeing. Much like when a politician says, "We have to come together!" he or she is really saying, "You're going to do it MY way!"

Looking about the world, there are those who claim to 'seek answers'. However, when they find someone with an answer, even an answer that fulfills the conditions of the question and actually functions, the 'seeker' refuses the answer on grounds of personal preference and then claims the person with the answer is closed or narrow minded.

That cracks me up.

Myles
05-20-08, 03:51 AM
Look at the Amish people. To many they are "narrow minded" but they have survived these many centuries without failing in their ways as yet. Should they be ridiculed for their so called narrow mindedness or complimented for being so ecologically aware?:shrug:

It may be a co-incdence but depressiuon is significntly higher among Amish men than it is among non-Amish/

EndLightEnd
05-20-08, 09:38 AM
Theres nothing WRONG with being narrow-minded.

But it wouldnt be my choice. ;-)

Mrs.Lucysnow
05-20-08, 11:03 AM
Archie: We are all 'narrow-minded' about something or other. I refuse to consider breathing water or eating dog droppings, for instance. (But if 'open-mindedness' is your nee plus ultra, you go right ahead and give it a whirl, bunky.)

Since when did 'narrow minded' imply lack of discrimination?

Myles
05-20-08, 03:36 PM
Archie: We are all 'narrow-minded' about something or other. I refuse to consider breathing water or eating dog droppings, for instance. (But if 'open-mindedness' is your nee plus ultra, you go right ahead and give it a whirl, bunky.)

Since when did 'narrow minded' imply lack of discrimination?

Sice trhe narrowminded denied themselves choice.

PsychoticEpisode
05-20-08, 04:06 PM
Thank God I'm narrow minded:D

Myles
05-20-08, 04:21 PM
Thank God I'm narrow minded:D

Did you choose narrowmindedness or was it an act of god that struck you down.

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cosmictraveler
05-20-08, 04:22 PM
Narrow minded could also be from lack of education as well or bad education.

Myles
05-20-08, 04:26 PM
Or a low I.Q.

PsychoticEpisode
05-20-08, 08:48 PM
Narrow minded could also be from lack of education as well or bad education.


Or a low I.Q

Someome once said that a slim chance and a fat chance are the same but a wise man and a wise guy are opposites.;)

Same goes for the mind, as long as it isn't closed it's still open, narrow or otherwise.

Orleander
05-21-08, 01:22 PM
Don't you miss a whole lot of life and living by being narrow minded? Narrow minded people usually don't try new things.

listeria_m
05-21-08, 01:26 PM
Is there anything wrong with being narrow-minded?

If narrow mindedness makes you happy then I supposed there's nothing wrong with it As long as you are happy. Some people I know are brilliant in their academic life, great achievers but they suck so much when it comes to accepting other people's differences/opinions/stance on things they dont agree, and their narrow-mindedness piss me off.

shorty_37
05-21-08, 02:02 PM
It's hard to say. Everyone has diffferent ideas of what is being narrow- minded. What some ppl say is thinking narrow_minded, another may say is being crazy, out to lunch.

Enmos
05-21-08, 02:04 PM
Anyone who disagrees with me is narrow-minded. Simple really..

Myles
05-21-08, 04:07 PM
Verily, a narrow mind is easier to close than one which is wide open.

Paul to the Intellectuals

Cyperium
06-03-08, 04:37 PM
There is the view that being narrow-minded, rigid is negative in some way, wrong, bad.


Question:

What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?It doesn't have to be wrong to be narrow minded or "rigid".

But you should be able to accept new ideas also. At least for consideration, do you think it's bad with new ideas? Creativity? To daydream about different concepts without the need for them to totally rigidly fit reality?

I think it's good to be "rigid" as long as you can accept and take in new ideas (narrow minded can mean alot more than just "rigid", so it may not be good at all times).

Myles
06-03-08, 04:40 PM
Has anyone a choice ?

Simply Joe
06-03-08, 05:48 PM
Nothing is wrong with being narrow-minded but being open to at least understanding what other people are saying and their point of view makes someone much smarter and wiser in my opinion. You don't necessarily have to believe them, just see what they are trying to convince you of instead of just saying "U is wrong"

Simon Anders
06-03-08, 06:54 PM
For those who see not being narrow minded as better, what have your open minds recently come to accept that was at first unsettling or seemed impossible or at least very unlikely?

I am not talking about ideas that you that plopped in nicely with most of the other ideas you had, but something that really challenged you, or might have if you were not so open minded.

If you cannot think of an example, how do you know that you have an open mind - if you do believe this? Further how do you know it is better?

In a sense I am asking what evidence led you to believe an open mind is better or have you arrived at this conclusion merely via deduction rather than experience?

IJesusChrist
06-03-08, 09:33 PM
There is the view that being narrow-minded, rigid is negative in some way, wrong, bad.


Question:

What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?

If you don't want to work for your happiness...

Ignorance is bliss.

Cyperium
06-06-08, 06:35 AM
For those who see not being narrow minded as better, what have your open minds recently come to accept that was at first unsettling or seemed impossible or at least very unlikely?

I am not talking about ideas that you that plopped in nicely with most of the other ideas you had, but something that really challenged you, or might have if you were not so open minded.

If you cannot think of an example, how do you know that you have an open mind - if you do believe this? Further how do you know it is better?

In a sense I am asking what evidence led you to believe an open mind is better or have you arrived at this conclusion merely via deduction rather than experience?I guess being open minded is that the ideas doesn't "challange" you, you don't feel like you are going on a dangerous road, cause you know that you have a inner truth about things, and that nothing can stur that.

Open mind is freedom of ideas. To not be oppressed by ideas and to not having to be right for the sake of being right.

Knowledge and intelligence is important...but not that important and there are other values in life.

Simon Anders
06-06-08, 06:15 PM
I guess being open minded is that the ideas doesn't "challange" you, you don't feel like you are going on a dangerous road, cause you know that you have a inner truth about things, and that nothing can stur that.

Open mind is freedom of ideas. To not be oppressed by ideas and to not having to be right for the sake of being right.

Knowledge and intelligence is important...but not that important and there are other values in life.

I don't think most people use the term that way. I think most people use it to mean that they will seriously consider new ideas, are aware of the ways in which they might consciously and unconsciously want to reject them and since they have a handle on this they can really be well, open to changing even basic beliefs.

Your definition is valid and in fact I think it is what most people say they have an open mind actually function like. They can hear the idea. They can banter about it, but the liklihood that something new (even if it were true or possible) would shift any of what to them are important beliefs is nevertheless next to null.

I think your version is often confused with what an open mind is thought to be.

Randwolf
06-06-08, 07:15 PM
Apparently, narrow mindedness is not good for "Strategic Thinking", according to this paper:

Strategic Leadership and the Narrow Mind: (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/au-24/giancotti.pdf)
What We Donít Do Well and Why
by
Col Fernando Giancotti

The paper also gives a lot of interesting evolutionary background on why we tend to be "narrow minded", for example...

"Our hunter-gatherer ancestors dealt with a limited
time horizon, characterized mainly by the influence of hunting
seasons on their nomadic movements. They had simple but
intense social interaction since they lived primarily in small
groups of 20Ė30 individuals, with rare but regular interaction
with an extended tribe of up to 500 individuals."

xvortexbladex
06-07-08, 12:16 AM
What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
-well, look at history. there are many cases that imminent danger has been evident to certain people with the capability of making decisions, but they ignore them since the evidence isn't enough to convince them. The disaster hits and many people die. A saying from Chinese goes -You will not cry until you see the coffin-
But I'm also not saying be open minded all the way: if you are too narrow minded, you dont have a brain, if you're too open minded, your brain falls out and you might as well not even have one. find the middle ground.
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?
-same as above, this question is more of a euphemism instead.

Cyperium
06-07-08, 05:09 AM
I don't think most people use the term that way. I think most people use it to mean that they will seriously consider new ideas, are aware of the ways in which they might consciously and unconsciously want to reject them and since they have a handle on this they can really be well, open to changing even basic beliefs.

Your definition is valid and in fact I think it is what most people say they have an open mind actually function like. They can hear the idea. They can banter about it, but the liklihood that something new (even if it were true or possible) would shift any of what to them are important beliefs is nevertheless next to null.

I think your version is often confused with what an open mind is thought to be.Ok.

tomtedbear
08-02-11, 07:26 AM
I came across this older message thread while searching for a specific quote on open minds, but the comments were too engaging for me not to leave a comment...

@Simon Andres: you said "For those who see not being narrow minded as better, what have your open minds recently come to accept that was at first unsettling or seemed impossible or at least very unlikely?" For those with truly open minds, many ideas wouldn't "seem unsettling or impossible or at least very unlikely." And right there is the difference. You weren't even able to make that simple jump in reasoning. I don't mean that as a negative in any way. It just is what it is.

Now, about that quote I was looking for. I still havent found it, but I will paraphrase since it fits the conversation so very well. One problem with being open minded that one must accept right off the bat is the unsettling possibility that one might be wrong whereas the close-minded individual is quite at ease in the sure comfort of the knowledge that he or she is definitely right. :shrug:

cosmictraveler
08-02-11, 07:40 AM
One problem with being open minded that one must accept right off the bat is the unsettling possibility that one might be wrong whereas the close-minded individual is quite at ease in the sure comfort of the knowledge that he or she is definitely right.

And on their way to becoming a psychopath perhaps too.:shrug:

Pierre-Normand
08-02-11, 08:25 AM
Now, about that quote I was looking for. I still havent found it, but I will paraphrase since it fits the conversation so very well. One problem with being open minded that one must accept right off the bat is the unsettling possibility that one might be wrong whereas the close-minded individual is quite at ease in the sure comfort of the knowledge that he or she is definitely right. :shrug:

Clusterinflux already mentioned the infamous quote about "persons whose minds are so open that their brains fall out."

Maybe some other persons are so narrow minded that their glasses fall off?

scheherazade
08-02-11, 09:22 AM
There is the view that being narrow-minded, rigid is negative in some way, wrong, bad.


Question:

What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?

There are times when being 'narrow-minded' and 'rigid in thought' are useful skills for survival, as they keep one focused on a purpose, even if it be an unsavory one, such as war. In the heat of combat, for example, being conflicted by the thought that the enemy is sending armed women and children against you will likely ensure that you will not be going home from this battle to your own missus and bairns.

At other times, one needs to have a flexible mind in order to adapt to change, the most noticeable of late being the information age and computer technology. It has almost reached the point where without access to a computer and the internet, that one cannot function in today's society. Competition demands speed of flow of information and everything from resumes to financial transactions can be done from an internet connection these days, with no need to leave your home and find a parking space.

That is what I see as the advantages and disadvantages of having a narrow mind and a rigid focus.

scheherazade
08-02-11, 09:26 AM
And on their way to becoming a psychopath perhaps too.:shrug:

I also remember reading that the definition of a psychopath included the conviction that one could not be wrong in their opinion.

Frequently I have been the only dissenter in a given situation, which later proves out that I am correct.

What does that make me? :eek:

cosmictraveler
08-02-11, 09:36 AM
I also remember reading that the definition of a psychopath included the conviction that one could not be wrong in their opinion.

Frequently I have been the only dissenter in a given situation, which later proves out that I am correct.

What does that make me? :eek:

Independent minded.:)

scheherazade
08-02-11, 09:42 AM
Independent minded.:)

Thank you. I am that for a fact, and have also concluded to my own satisfaction that there are very few things that I am entirely certain of except change.

For that reason I am not quick to choose one argument over another, preferring to walk the middle ground until the path finally resolves itself in one direction or another. :)

Not to imply that I cannot be decisive when and where the occasion merits, lol...:D

cosmictraveler
08-02-11, 10:10 AM
For that reason I am not quick to choose one argument over another, preferring to walk the middle ground until the path finally resolves itself in one direction or another.

One can only "ride fences" for so long before they must decide which side to take, but a side one day has to be known or you really become to nebulous in your thinking and won't be able to become who you are and what you stand for. I mean this in a very positive way. :tempted:

sifreak21
08-02-11, 10:39 AM
There is the view that being narrow-minded, rigid is negative in some way, wrong, bad.


Question:

What exactly is wrong with being narrow-minded?
What exactly is wrong with having a rigid mind?

being narrow minded means your not willing to learn your only hurting yourself no one else unless you have children and you try to push ur ideas onto them

scheherazade
08-02-11, 11:00 AM
One can only "ride fences" for so long before they must decide which side to take, but a side one day has to be known or you really become to nebulous in your thinking and won't be able to become who you are and what you stand for. I mean this in a very positive way. :tempted:

The majority of things that I am 'on the fence' in regard to are conceptual in nature, and I perhaps don't agree that one need take a side where concepts are concerned, for the evidence of nature will resolve these issues when we are learned enough to comprehend the data.

My biological position is that I will yield on some issues and resist on others, preferring to leave well enough alone and find common ground, ever in search of positive and empowering solutions to challenges as they present.

Sometimes I am overwhelmed, but my 'pity parties' are generally of short duration before I start making lemonade out of the lemons that life occasionally tosses one's way. :D

A drunk driver broadsided my car on Sunday a.m. while I was stopped at the light at an intersection. A high speed impact and my little car may well be a financial statistic once the quotes are in.

Lo and behold, the dealership presently has 0% financing over 6 years with 0% down, and an enhanced safety featured version of my present vehicle in the showroom.

It's a done deal. Picking it up in a couple of days. The economy needs a boost, so I may as well contribute and give them my hard earned wages, lol... It's red with dark interior......Scorpio colors.

(I am not an astrology fanatic, by the way. It's just fun to see what reactions one gets from others at the mention of astrology and Scorpio, since so many people have such skewed ideas on the topic. I am the devil's advocate.)

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scheherazade
08-02-11, 11:02 AM
being narrow minded means your not willing to learn your only hurting yourself no one else unless you have children and you try to push ur ideas onto them

Have you experienced other people trying to push their ideas onto you? If so, what was your reaction and how did you respond?

cosmictraveler
08-02-11, 11:13 AM
A drunk driver broadsided my car on Sunday a.m. while I was stopped at the light at an intersection.

That's a bummer but thankfully you are alright and that's the best thing about your accident to bad about your car though. :)



The majority of things that I am 'on the fence' in regard to are conceptual in nature, and I perhaps don't agree that one need take a side where concepts are concerned, for the evidence of nature will resolve these issues when we are learned enough to comprehend the data

That's understandable for "concepts" are always in flux and things change moment by moment at times with them. But unfortunatly today we must decide from which of the worse because no matter what you decide either way you lose. It's just how much loss will happen today or how much worse it will be.:(







My biological position is that I will yield on some issues and resist on others, preferring to leave well enough alone and find common ground, ever in search of positive and empowering solutions to challenges as they present.

That's what I meant by "getting off the fence" for at times you must decide which is the better of the worse. Todays world it seems its deciding which to choose from bad or even worse.

sifreak21
08-02-11, 11:17 AM
Have you experienced other people trying to push their ideas onto you? If so, what was your reaction and how did you respond?

yes religious people do ALL THE @#%@^ time. i respond with I respect your faiths and beliefs please respect mine and dont try to pursuade me to yours.

im talking small children not adults

scheherazade
08-02-11, 11:27 AM
That's a bummer but thankfully you are alright and that's the best thing about your accident to bad about your car though. :)

Thanks, cosmic. I have been reflecting on what an example the moment of impact was in regards to 'free will'. I had absolutely no free will to do anything in regard to this incident. I was just in the wrong place at the right time, following my usual schedule of travel.



That's understandable for "concepts" are always in flux and things change moment by moment at times with them. But unfortunatly today we must decide from which of the worse because no matter what you decide either way you lose. It's just how much loss will happen today or how much worse it will be.:(

It amazes me how incensed some people get in defending that which is currently unprovable. Until the evidence is conclusive, I see no harm in examining all possible options, because the short coming of our species is that we frequently only 'see' the evidence that supports what we are looking for rather than merely observing and noting ALL of the details.



That's what I meant by "getting off the fence" for at times you must decide which is the better of the worse. Todays world it seems its deciding which to choose.

I agree that sometimes our options fall somewhere between 'bad' and 'worse'. For that reason I attempt to choose my battles with care. If I truly thought that I could make a difference, I would have followed one life path that presented leading into the arena of politics.

My grandfather was sought as a candidate by both the provincial and federal system of his day, and declined for a number of reasons as he did not perceive the party system as working in the best interests of the majority of people.

For the same reason, I also declined and remain a 'free radical', that I may endorse or harry all governments equally. ;)

scheherazade
08-02-11, 11:36 AM
yes religious people do ALL THE @#%@^ time. i respond with I respect your faiths and beliefs please respect mine and dont try to pursuade me to yours.

im talking small children not adults

Yes. One wants to be respectful of the minds of small children as they are easily influenced for good or harm.

As a child who was indoctrinated early in life into religion and sent door to door as an early teenager, I look back on that part of my life with horror.

I was so sincere and very distressed that these nice people might possibly go to hell. Fortunately, one nice lady took me inside and explained a few things to me that set my mind in motion to break free of the conditioning that the religious ones were attempting to indoctrinate me into.

Those who set me on this path have since apologized and stated that they should not have done so. Rather they would have permitted us to make our own choice in this regard.

Now, just for giggles, I offer to indoctrinate the committed to the path of pagan druidry, if they are adults, and that seems to have taken me off the mandatory visit list. Yes, I suppose I'm on the road to hell in a hand basket. :cool:

Ophiolite
08-04-11, 07:05 AM
Frequently I have been the only dissenter in a given situation, which later proves out that I am correct.

What does that make me? :eek:An umitigated smart-ass.

scheherazade
08-04-11, 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by scheherazade
Frequently I have been the only dissenter in a given situation, which later proves out that I am correct.

What does that make me?


Ophiolite
An umitigated smart-ass.


LOL.........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM

:poke:

wynn
08-04-11, 10:59 AM
I also remember reading that the definition of a psychopath included the conviction that one could not be wrong in their opinion.

Frequently I have been the only dissenter in a given situation, which later proves out that I am correct.

What does that make me?

Lucky. Just lucky.

wynn
08-04-11, 11:02 AM
Now, about that quote I was looking for. I still havent found it, but I will paraphrase since it fits the conversation so very well. One problem with being open minded that one must accept right off the bat is the unsettling possibility that one might be wrong whereas the close-minded individual is quite at ease in the sure comfort of the knowledge that he or she is definitely right.

The comforts of being right are not to be underestimated.

Hesperado
08-05-11, 09:42 AM
In the context of the OP, "narrow" and "rigid" are relative terms.

Everyone is relatively "narrow" and "rigid" about their positions and beliefs; they are also relatively "broad minded" and "flexible".

It's a matter of degree along a spectrum.

To be completely absolutely broad and flexible and "open minded" would be an untenable, and probably impossible, state resembling some hypothetical "zen" consciousness whereby the Buddhist attains a state of "emptying" his mind; etc. (And there's nothing more obnoxious than a Western relativist claiming to be absolutely open-minded when it's obvious to anyone with a lick of sense that he's not.)

The point is not to be too rigid and narrow (and also not to be too broad-minded and flexible) -- though, of course, "too much" either way is also relative and subjective and often entails tendentious partisan stances whereby one's pet ideology dictates what is "too rigid" in the positions of others, and what is not.

All that said, it doesn't mean I'm not right and you're not wrong.:D

wynn
08-05-11, 10:55 AM
All that said, it doesn't mean I'm not right and you're not wrong.

Ha! Grrrr.

NMSquirrel
08-05-11, 11:52 AM
Ha! Grrrr.

when one solidifies ones opinion as to what is right and what is wrong,
1, creates division between oneself and another
2, prevents oneself from gaining more wisdom/knowledge
3, creates a 'us vs them' attitude
4, <insert other consequences here>


who/what determines what is right and what is wrong?
this is a human condition that is reinforced by social contacts, what is right for one group is wrong for another, what you label right/wrong is usually determined by the social circles and vocational influences,(more the former than the latter)

Insert deity here
08-05-11, 04:20 PM
Look at the Amish people. To many they are "narrow minded" but they have survived these many centuries without failing in their ways as yet. Should they be ridiculed for their so called narrow mindedness or complimented for being so ecologically aware?:shrug:

I just got a bad case of the giggles when I read this. The Amish aren't so narrow-minded. I lived near Amish peeps and let me tell ya they know how to improvise. Are open minded enough to have non-Amish lads drive them around and to use other people's electric equipment to do work. :p

chimpkin
08-05-11, 05:18 PM
"Some people are so open minded that it seems their brain has fallen out."

Falls out?

Mine jumps out and wanders away...then returns later, wagging its' stem, with a hangdog look about the cerebrum ...and the cerebellum coated with evidence that it had obviously been rolling around in something filthy...

I've had to put it in the tub and use dish soap to get who-knows-what out of my corpus callosum on several occasions.

Dangers of being narrowminded I can think of?
One, you can't understand and/or are quick to condemn other points of view.
Two, you will have problems understanding the motives of others, therefore predicting their actions.
You'll find more reasons to dislike people, potentially leading to more social isolation.
You will be a less adaptable person.

wellwisher
08-05-11, 05:40 PM
Narrow mindedness is much easier to do than open mindedness. The reason is connected to the amount of data one has to remember or process. The narrow minded only needs to a know a subset of all the data. The open minded needs to process this data plus other data.

For example, if one is a diehard liberal or conservative, you only need to memorize one book of party one-liners. If you are opened minded, you might have to read both books of one-liners. In the process of reading, one may also note problems with some things that are mutual lyexclusive so both can not exit at the same time. Beyond just memory. you may have to do some extra data crunching. The narrow minded have it much easier due to less data and little need to think. Often the hard effect is connected to developing personna or proper mask of cynicism and arrogance.

NMSquirrel
08-05-11, 07:43 PM
narrow mindedness is an inability to 'think for yourself'
it is much easier to 'do as your told' and if 'do as your told' is comfortable, then why open yourself up to 'think for yourself'..

wynn
08-06-11, 03:03 AM
when one solidifies ones opinion as to what is right and what is wrong,

A moral and rational agent will seek to solidify their opinion on right and wrong.



1, creates division between oneself and another

Nothing bad about that. I am I, and you are you. Nothing wrong with that.



2, prevents oneself from gaining more wisdom/knowledge

Really?



3, creates a 'us vs them' attitude

Again, nothing wrong with that.



who/what determines what is right and what is wrong?
this is a human condition that is reinforced by social contacts, what is right for one group is wrong for another, what you label right/wrong is usually determined by the social circles and vocational influences,(more the former than the latter)

How about you applying that standard of who determines what is right and what is wrong to your theism?

wynn
08-06-11, 03:04 AM
narrow mindedness is an inability to 'think for yourself'

it is much easier to 'do as your told' and if 'do as your told' is comfortable, then why open yourself up to 'think for yourself'..

"Thinking for yourself" is the holy grail of failed idealists who refuse to admit that they are dependent on others.

wynn
08-06-11, 03:08 AM
Dangers of being narrowminded I can think of?
One, you can't understand and/or are quick to condemn other points of view.


Why would that be dangerous?



Two, you will have problems understanding the motives of others, therefore predicting their actions.

And yet realistically, the motives of others cannot be understood.



You'll find more reasons to dislike people, potentially leading to more social isolation.

Which may be a good thing - there's the saying "it is better to be alone than to associate with fools."



You will be a less adaptable person.

But you'll have a firm sense of identity. At the end of the day, a firm identity matters more, gives you more security than most, if not all, other things.

wynn
08-06-11, 03:17 AM
Narrow mindedness is much easier to do than open mindedness.

Does anyone think that being narrow-minded or open-minded is a matter of choice?

Ie., that a person can, without any further requirements needing to be in place, choose whether to be narrow-minded or open-minded, in each particular situation?

Me-Ki-Gal
08-06-11, 03:26 AM
Narrow mindedness is much easier to do than open mindedness. The reason is connected to the amount of data one has to remember or process. The narrow minded only needs to a know a subset of all the data. The open minded needs to process this data plus other data.

For example, if one is a diehard liberal or conservative, you only need to memorize one book of party one-liners. If you are opened minded, you might have to read both books of one-liners. In the process of reading, one may also note problems with some things that are mutual lyexclusive so both can not exit at the same time. Beyond just memory. you may have to do some extra data crunching. The narrow minded have it much easier due to less data and little need to think. Often the hard effect is connected to developing personna or proper mask of cynicism and arrogance.

I tell you well sometimes your post just amaze me . Mask of cynicism and arrogance . I like that a lot ! Can I use it ? If you hear it in a hit song we will talk . No worries I'm known to be fair .

Me-Ki-Gal
08-06-11, 03:27 AM
Does anyone think that being narrow-minded or open-minded is a matter of choice?

Ie., that a person can, without any further requirements needing to be in place, choose whether to be narrow-minded or open-minded, in each particular situation?

Now that sounds like a lack of free will

NMSquirrel
08-06-11, 09:51 AM
Again, nothing wrong with that.
nothing wrong with an us vs them attitude?
apparently you do not care so much for peace..



How about you applying that standard of who determines what is right and what is wrong to your theism?
you just made my point..

religion is the best argument i could use to explain why the solidification of right vs wrong is such a problem.

wynn
08-06-11, 10:46 AM
nothing wrong with an us vs them attitude?
apparently you do not care so much for peace..

Is peace more important than identity?

So peaceful they are, aren't they -

http://eman2060.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/200-robots.jpg

All the same.



you just made my point..

religion is the best argument i could use to explain why the solidification of right vs wrong is such a problem.

Why aren't you a Muslim then? Or a Hindu? Or an atheist?

NMSquirrel
08-06-11, 11:30 AM
Is peace more important than identity?
same question to you..is identity more important than peace?


So peaceful they are, aren't they -
http://eman2060.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/200-robots.jpg
All the same.
this is what laws are designed to do..make everyone the same..


Why aren't you a Muslim then? Or a Hindu? Or an atheist?

I am me.

any other label is just an attempt to devalue me.

wynn
08-06-11, 11:37 AM
same question to you..is identity more important than peace?

Trying to eradicate one's identity does not lead to peaceful dealings with others.



I am me.

any other label is just an attempt to devalue me.

You are you. As such, there is tension with others.
As long as you are you - and others are others -, there will be tension between you and others, and there won't be peace.

In order ot have peace, you'd have to become someone else, perhaps the "same as everyone" - but you feel devalued at the thought of that.

wellwisher
08-06-11, 11:57 AM
There are unconscious dynamics involved that can make narrow mindedness more appealing within contemporary social settings. This is due to unconscious dynamics that can be induced and sublimated by the art of narrow mindedness.

As an example, there are democrats and republicans. Both sides contain truth, but neither contain the whole truth. The open minded person will often seem wishy washy, since it will be hard to resolve the entire truth, starting from the polarization into two half truths. There is a lot of work, so one will need to be objective. It is hard to be arrogant and objective under these circumstances.

The narrow minded, on the other hand, can more easily appear full of conviction, using only part of the truth. It is this ego induction of apparent strength that is appealing to the narrow minded person, since on the surface one can appear stronger, even though underneath, it takes less brain power and objectivity to learn half the truth.

The reason for this reverse relationship on the surface, compared to inside, has to due with repression and compensation for unconscious doubt. The whole truth is sort of like the lowest energy state; final reality. Partial truth is at a higher energy state since it still needs work to reach lower energy.

The brain will try to lower the energy. But since the narrow minds won't try to come to the entire truth, but will reinforce the half truth, the energy will remain high and need to continuously vent. One learns to turn this vent energy into the dynamic social activities of the personna. One can vent and look like an authority, which is appealing.

This reverse is common to all instincts. A good analogy is an animal that is hungry. The hungrier the animal, the stronger will be their impulse to eat. Therefore their outward energy level will go up. If the brain is hungry because of a deficit of truth, it will try to act. This is sublimated via the personna. When the animal is full, he is at rest. That is why the wise man is often still, like deep water. The hungy jumps up and down to vent the unconscious potential.

In modern times, we live in a world of entertainment, where the mask is important. The content of the skin=mask is more important than the content of character (inner). To make the mask more dynamic, less truth is better, since it help create better agitation within the unconscious, that can be sublimated into the arrogance and conviction.

In terms of social interactions, using the hungry animal analogy, the hungriest animals will have the most energy and agitation, since their need to eat food is the greatest. The full animals are calm or appear to be napping. People who are shallow and too subjective, often assume all that surface energy means something important. But in the end, all it means is that person can't hunt that well. The sleeping animal is calm because he is a good hunter.

In the world of the superficial, such as entertainment, one might need to spin all that agitation, to make the poor hunter look good. Others who follow his poor hunting skills (partial truth that leaves you hungry) and also become animated out of the same high level of hunger. There is an appeal to this since it is easier and seems to give one energy.

Narrow mindedness, is not all bad, is it is harnassed for use in a practical way instead of for the ego social personna boost. The hungriest animal, if he focuses on food instead of entertainment, can use that extra energy to hunt for food in a compelling way. The hungry lion plows through, until he is full enough to fall asleep; use the power of the narrow mind to generate energy for the open mind.

NMSquirrel
08-06-11, 12:02 PM
Trying to eradicate one's identity does not lead to peaceful dealings with others.
so we can end this line?


You are you. As such, there is tension with others.
As long as you are you - and others are others -, there will be tension between you and others, and there won't be peace.

In order ot have peace, you'd have to become someone else, perhaps the "same as everyone" - but you feel devalued at the thought of that.

the peace comes with that fact that i accept myself AND i do not try to force my own beliefs on others, and i accept that others have beliefs different than my own.
just because i believe something and someone else believes something else does not make them wrong.

wynn
08-06-11, 12:17 PM
the peace comes with that fact that i accept myself AND i do not try to force my own beliefs on others, and i accept that others have beliefs different than my own.
just because i believe something and someone else believes something else does not make them wrong.

How acceptant are you of Anti-Semitists and Neonazis?

NMSquirrel
08-06-11, 03:25 PM
How acceptant are you of Anti-Semitists and Neonazis?

again with the labels..don't you realize how often those turn into nothing but social clubs.

wynn
08-06-11, 09:57 PM
again with the labels..don't you realize how often those turn into nothing but social clubs.

How acceptant are you of Anti-Semitists and Neonazis?

NMSquirrel
08-06-11, 11:06 PM
How acceptant are you of Anti-Semitists and Neonazis?

never met one.

chimpkin
08-07-11, 03:12 AM
NMSquirrel said:
same question to you..is identity more important than peace?

I think most people try to strike a balance between getting along with others and self actualization.

Funny, ever since I sat there and chanted on LSD, I've had a sense that my identity was not anything that could be put into words, but was there...and could morph in many directions and it would still be me, me being a fairly plastic substance.

(It was light blue and glowy.:p)
So I don't feel like I can necessarily lose or gain my identity, it just is. It's just there, it does not interact with the world the way the constructed "me" does. Is deeper than my personality in its' disparate and somewhat dissociated aspects.

As constructed "me" in the current configuration has been breaking down again I am reconfiguring again.:shrug:

wynn
08-07-11, 03:58 AM
I think most people try to strike a balance between getting along with others and self actualization.

Funny, ever since I sat there and chanted on LSD, I've had a sense that my identity was not anything that could be put into words, but was there...and could morph in many directions and it would still be me, me being a fairly plastic substance.

(It was light blue and glowy.)
So I don't feel like I can necessarily lose or gain my identity, it just is. It's just there, it does not interact with the world the way the constructed "me" does. Is deeper than my personality in its' disparate and somewhat dissociated aspects.

As constructed "me" in the current configuration has been breaking down again I am reconfiguring again.

I guess "light blue and glowy" is fine. As long as one stays away from all discussions about religion, philosophy ... and everyday life. :p

river
08-17-11, 03:11 AM
how in the end does it survive better than someone who isn't ?