Some people like to divide people into "black" people and "white" people, and sometimes other "races", too.

Let's look at just one "race": black people.

I am wondering how you all decide whether somebody is a black person or not.

Is your definition just based on how they look, combined with gut feeling? Or do you use a definition based on genes, or something else?

If you're using a gene-based definition, how many "black" ancestors does a person need to be black, by your definition? Some examples:

Person A has one parent with white skin and one with black skin. Is A black or white?
Person B has 3 grandparents with white skin and one with black skin. Is A black or white?
Person C has 3 grandparents with black skin and one with white skin. Is C black or white?

Or is all this grandparent/parent stuff irrelevant?

Please tell me how to distinguish black people from white people, in case it is ever important for me to be able to do that.

SHouldn't it be for each person which ever skin color becomes more dominent then the other. For person B if "white becomes the dominent color then that person should be labled "white"

What do you mean by "more dominant"?

You should be asking the people who consider themselves black, when often they might be 1/8th black.

I go by people's ancestry, and I can tell the difference between irish people, english people, kalahari people, nigerian people, japanese people, malaysian people and chinese people and etc etc etc.
Ofcourse most people are mongrels, but I can usually tell basically what they're comprised of, I've accurately picked greek x israelite, maori x papua new guinean, and chinese x phillipino. I'm sure it's horribly "racist" and politically incorrect but I find it fun. I have a similar interest in dog breeds and the origins of mongrel dogs.
With both dogs and humans I do find individuals where I'm just stumped, and I consider them mongrels.

As for "blacks", it depends in the context, I do use it for different types but not because I don't know better but rather because I'm lazy.
I'll refer to africans, aborigines and islanders as "black", they only need enough influence to have mild african, aborigine or islander features. It can just be an easy way to describe someone if there were lots of pure white people and one kind of black guy.
I don't tend to call indian/pakistani people black, I'm more likely to call them "hindus", it's all a simple matter of communication to me.
But ofcourse it's a big stupid massive deal to certain people.

"black" people (who are brown) have adapted to hot climates and if there decendants come from hot climates and continue to reproduce with other people from that origin usually they will have "black" attributes, same with "white" people (who are kinda light golden or pale creamy colour), my son/daughter, will be mixed race half st lucian half european/mix, he will have "white" and "black" features/anatomy, usually black peoples hair grows really slow, and white peoples hair grows really fast, and a mixed race persons hair will grow fast and be fuller benefiting from both sides of his parents genes, sometimes 2 people of "black oringin" can give birtht o a really light skinend child, i know alot of people like this, there skin will be lighter than a mixed race childs is, but have 2 dark skinned parents,

Black people pop caps in your ass, wear fubu and listen to 50cent. Oh, and they like chicken...

Or is all this grandparent/parent stuff irrelevant?

Ain't got nothin' to do with it!

Please tell me how to distinguish black people from white people, in case it is ever important for me to be able to do that.

I can only say, James, that if you don't know, then you got a lot bigger problem than you know!

And even more seriously, if you or anyone else does NOT know that a person is black by looking at them, then there's something wrong with you.

Baron Max

Please tell me how to distinguish black people from white people, in case it is ever important for me to be able to do that.


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This question makes a lot more sense if you're asking how to distinguish your average African American (i.e. negro or 'black') from a Dominican or a Cuban who are Latino/Hispanic but look black.


But you can tell a black from a white as easily as you can a man from a woman (Tessie exluded), if you're speaking solely of race. So why do you need to distinguish a black person from a white person when its so ...well, obvious?

I don’t understand how such marked differences in facial features, hair, general physiognomy etc. between the races can be wholly denied by anyone.

Now if you're asking how you'd consider a person black culturally, why that's easy.
Dr. Lou is a cultural black.

no kidding!

dr lunatic, whazzup mah nigga? shizzle mah wizzle?

Dr. Lou is a cultural black.

And here I thought for sure you would say something about me there...

As to James's question:

The differentiation between black, white, asian(yellow), arab/indian(brown), and native american(red) is pretty much just a matter of the visual elements. Of course, to me, these aren't really 'races' per se, but more along the lines of loose groupings. If asked to catagorize the people in your examples, I would treat it basically like ethnicity.

A would be 1/2 black or 1/2 white. (I likes to call'em halfbreeds)
B would would be 1/4 black,
C would be 1/4 white.

However, if I was asked to accurately describe some one it might be something more like 1/2 african, 1/4 german, 1/4 english ( on the halfbreed example) or something of the like.

I think of it more along the lines they classify dogs. Hounds, terriers, sporting dogs, etc...

These groups don't speak of the breed exactly, but give you a rough idea of some of the physical characteristics.

Black's such a large lump of people. There are all sorts of blacks, and I think due to the sensitivity of the subject and the fact that most negros are completely ignorant of their roots, we just call them all black.

Nigerians, Ethiopians, and Moroccans all look different, but no one usually bothers to make the distinctions. Besides that, most Americans wouldn't know where to find Niger, Ethiopia or Morocco on a map; blacks doubly so.

I'm black?
I better watch "coming to america" starring eddie murphy to learn about the essence of my people like gustav did.

same goes for whites, roman.

Mephura:
And here I thought for sure you would say something about me there...

You, dear, are black only in proportion to your CD collection. *funeral grin*

Of course, to me, these aren't really 'races' per se, but more along the lines of loose groupings.
Around here we can say "breed" for groupings of canine but not race for grouping of humans.
Wow.
Mongol blood has a particular phenotype no matter where its found. Is it not a race?
I in no way use 'race' to mean a pure group of people, you're all a nest of breeding mongrels.

I use “race” to categorize one similar group from another (you’d do the same sepearating earth tones from pastels), is there something wrong with that?


Roman:
Nigerians, Ethiopians, and Moroccans all look different, but no one usually bothers to make the distinctions. Besides that, most Americans wouldn't know where to find Niger, Ethiopia or Morocco on a map; blacks doubly so.
True and damn you for beating me to it.

For example, I can always tell an Ethiopian or a Sudanese from an American black and here the foreign exchange students who are generally Kenyan suffer racism from their own 'kind'.
However, they all share characteristics in common that they don't with Punky Brewster or Paris Hilton.
That to me is race and you'd have to be blind or a softie liberal not to see that.

And yes Dr. Lou is a cultural black.
He's the Marky Mark of sciforums and spends his time rapping about animals being tortured. Word.

Mephura,
Of course the same goes for whites. However, I read in mainstream literature references to Irish red hair, Scottish demeanor, Norwegian this, Germanic that, etc etc. I never see anything about the squatness of the black man's build attributable to his ancestors' days in the African Congo.

I keep wondering if James has been following this thread ....and can now tell who is a black by just lookin' at 'em?

Baron Max

So, let's see what we have so far. It is interesting that people talk about things like "1/8th black" in this thread, when in practice they just label people black or white. I don't see anybody seeing somebody in the street and saying "That person looks 1/8th black."

Dr Lou Natic says that black or white depends on your geographic origin, and that you can look black but not be black ("hindus").

EmptyForceOfChi goes on appearance and general "features".

SoLiDUS goes on behaviour, which is interesting.

Baron Max bases it solely on appearance. I wonder what he would say about the person with one white and one black parent. I guess it depends on how the person looks.

gendanken agrees that it is all based on appearance ("facial features, hair, general physiognomy etc.")

Mephura agrees, but seems to have a non-binary definition. (You can be "1/2 black".)

Roman points out that "Nigerians, Ethiopians, and Moroccans all look different, but no one usually bothers to make the distinctions." So, I guess it's appearance again.

So, I'm wondering if anybody thinks ancestry is relevant at all. Or do you all just classify people according to their superficial appearance?

So, I'm wondering if anybody thinks ancestry is relevant at all. Or do you all just classify people according to their superficial appearance?

One's ancestry typically manifests itself phenologically, so yes, appearance is really all we have to go on unless we could genotype the individuals.

So, let's see what we have so far. It is interesting that people talk about things like "1/8th black" in this thread, when in practice they just label people black or white. I don't see anybody seeing somebody in the street and saying "That person looks 1/8th black."

I do, sort of. Like "this person is really black, I didn't think lips came that big" or, "this person has very faint african traits– slightly nappy hair, sort of broad nose, larger than a white's butt, thick lips, etc. Oh, it turns out her mom's white."

So, I'm wondering if anybody thinks ancestry is relevant at all.

Well, James, how many strangers on the street do you walk up to and ask, "Say, buddy, how many of your ancestors were black?" or "Hey, man, how many of your ancestors were white?"

And if you can't or won't do that, then how in hell are you gonna' know anything about their ancestry? Guess? Prick 'em with a needle, then have DNA tests while they wait for you?

I can see something like that coming up in conversation with good friends, but until you've met them and get to know them, what the fuck else can you do? (And you have to do something ...because if their black, they're probably out to ......oooops, can't say shit like that, can I?) :)

Baron Max

It is a difficult and complex situation to judge ethnic composition in people consisting of multiple 'races'.

However, as Roman says, for those who are predominantly of a certain ethnic makeup, you can mostly (empirically speaking) determine the 'race' of the person.

This situation is not permanent. The proportion of 'purebreds' to 'mixed' will change in the forthcoming centuries.

Take a similar example. The Nazi's had a definition of "Jew" based entirely on ancestry. If you were "1/8th Jew" in a similar way to how people define things in this thread, you were as good as 100% Jew, as far as the Nazis were concerned.

My point in this thread is that it seems that you people who like to talk about differences between black people and white people can't even come up with a consistent definition of a black person. If somebody looks a little black, then they're black, and that's that. They could have 2 white parents, and three white grandparents, but they'd still presumably be "black" if they don't have pearly white skin. And on that basis, you would say they are more prone to become criminal, that they are likely to have a lower than average IQ, etc. etc.

It doesn't make any sense.

James:
Take a similar example. The Nazi's had a definition of "Jew" based entirely on ancestry. If you were "1/8th Jew" in a similar way to how people define things in this thread, you were as good as 100% Jew, as far as the Nazis were concerned.

My point in this thread is that it seems that you people who like to talk about differences between black people and white people can't even come up with a consistent definition of a black person. If somebody looks a little black, then they're black, and that's that. They could have 2 white parents, and three white grandparents, but they'd still presumably be "black" if they don't have pearly white skin. And on that basis, you would say they are more prone to become criminal, that they are likely to have a lower than average IQ, etc. etc.

It doesn't make any sense.
Wait- the only people that would summarily label someone as black because their skin is not 'pearly white' and 3 hairs on thier head are brown and not blonde and because of this assume the person is destined to be a dumb criminal are a handful of ignorants that wouldn't even care to answer your questions let alone think about them.

Now I know this forum has its faults, but I've yet to meet anyone that ignorant on here.
I wonder if the word 'race' bothers you, then.

That said- we all like to deny it but is basic instinct to categorize people, this means we all do it including you.
If I sat here whining about the universe conspiring against me and that the reason why you closed my thread last time is becuase you think I'm a bitch and would hang me given the rope, you'd label me a baby or 'childish'.

So when you and I both see a man with dark skin, a round nose, coarse hair, full lips, wearing Sean Jean baggy pants or listening to rap music we would likely say he was an African American negro. Or wouldn't you?
If we saw this same man with the same features but in sandals and a straw hat, we'd probably say he was a Dominican. Or wouldn't you?
What's wrong with that?

We are using the only tools at our disposal (discretion, judgement) that without we'd be either dead or powerless so we can't help using it, no?
I don't see how classifying people makes one a racist.
But I do see how grabbing your purse the second you see him and having conniptions that he's black is.
I don't see how saying a Black man is different than a white man or a chinese man is racist.
But I do see how saying one or the other will never amonut to anything becaue of his skin, his hair, or his 'root's is.

his situation is not permanent. The proportion of 'purebreds' to 'mixed' will change in the forthcoming centuries.
So....you see purebreeds in the future?

So when you and I both see a man with dark skin, a round nose, coarse hair, full lips, wearing Sean Jean baggy pants or listening to rap music we would likely say he was an African American negro. Or wouldn't you?
If we saw this same man with the same features but in sandals and a straw hat, we'd probably say he was a Dominican. Or wouldn't you?
What's wrong with that?

We are using the only tools at our disposal (discretion, judgement) that without we'd be either dead or powerless so we can't help using it, no?
I don't see how classifying people makes one a racist.
But I do see how grabbing your purse the second you see him and having conniptions that he's black is.
I don't see how saying a Black man is different than a white man or a chinese man is racist.
But I do see how saying one or the other will never amonut to anything becaue of his skin, his hair, or his 'roots"When I first saw Tiger Woods on TV, I thought he was of African descent because of the color of his skin. But he is not. He is from the Meditteranian. I have no prejudice.

I don't see how classifying people makes one a racist.
But I do see how grabbing your purse the second you see him and having conniptions that he's black is.
I don't see how saying a Black man is different than a white man or a chinese man is racist.
But I do see how saying one or the other will never amonut to anything becaue of his skin, his hair, or his 'root's is.

I agree completely.

none of you seem o have mention U.S racism
of the slavery, and, segregation times

ANYone with a tiny bit of 'black blood' was black. think the lightest was 'high yellow', but tere were also 'white niggers' who had some distant black relation
this is typical racism. compare with nazis, where even a distant grandparent being Jewish meant person was a Jew, and any 'Jewish features'

this pattern of racist thoght is meaning that the accuser wants to keep their blood 'pure'.....muthafkers them

Just a quick note. I said Tiger Woods was from the Mediterranian: that's wrong. He's Caribbean: I think Jamaica.

Also, many higher institutes of learning lower their admission scores for blacks to get more blacks in, or to meet a set quota. I think this is wrong. Are we not all equal? Shouldn't the admission scores on like the SAT test apply equally to all without showing "favoritism" to any single ethnic group? This is like "reverse" racism.

Duendy:
none of you seem o have mention U.S racism
of the slavery, and, segregation times

ANYone with a tiny bit of 'black blood' was black. think the lightest was 'high yellow', but tere were also 'white niggers' who had some distant black relation
this is typical racism. compare with nazis, where even a distant grandparent being Jewish meant person was a Jew, and any 'Jewish features'

this pattern of racist thoght is meaning that the accuser wants to keep their blood 'pure'.....muthafkers them
See?
That's the southern "porch white" and the Nazi, two instances of the mediocre looking for distincition in blood. This is ignorance- both of them are too busy grasping to realize that "pure" blood is myth and the second one doesn't care to know that Judaism is not a race.
Of all the people in the world, these are the most annoying.

I've heard stories of Nazi youth sending blond, blue eyed women to camps simply for wearing a scarf on their head since that look was "jewish'.

Valich:
Just a quick note. I said Tiger Woods was from the Mediterranian: that's wrong. He's Caribbean: I think Jamaica.
Ok....:

Woods is from a comfortable social background. He was born in Cypress, California. His father, Earl Woods, is a Vietnam War veteran and a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, of mixed Chinese, African American, Caucasian, and Native American ancestry. He is now the chairman of his son's charitable Tiger Woods Foundation (see section Charity and youth projects below). Woods' mother Kultida Woods is originally from Thailand, and has mixed Thai and Chinese ancestry. Woods refers to his ethnic makeup as "Cablinasian."

See, Valich, why its hard to take you seriously, Valich, in place of trying to crush you, Valich?

Where do you get the Carribean or the Mediterranean from?
However, if this is your clever way of proving a point (assumptions)...I must say its, well, brilliant.

Just a quick note. I said Tiger Woods was from the Mediterranian: that's wrong. He's Caribbean: I think Jamaica.

Also, many higher institutes of learning lower their admission scores for blacks to get more blacks in, or to meet a set quota. I think this is wrong. Are we not all equal? Shouldn't the admission scores on like the SAT test apply equally to all without showing "favoritism" to any single ethnic group? This is like "reverse" racism.
ooooooooowhat an insidious web yo weave, and i can see Strange Fruit hanging from its dusty embrace

Valich:

Ok....:



See, Valich, why its hard to take you seriously, Valich, in place of trying to crush you, Valich?

Where do you get the Carribean or the Mediterranean from?
However, if this is your clever way of proving a point (assumptions)...I must say its, well, brilliant.What on Earth would invoke you to do either and why?

I was watching a golf championship on TV and the announcer said he was from Jamaica? All I can say is that I must've heard wrong. I don't know. But I remember from what they said, he was not from African descent. What's your problem?

What type of point are you falsely assuming that I am trying to make???

What on Earth would invoke you to do either and why?
My dipoma in Torture Valich I earned from Yale.
was watching a golf championship on TV and the announcer said he was from Jamaica? All I can say is that I must've heard wrong. I don't know. But I remember from what they said, he was not from African descent. What's your problem?

What type of point are you falsely assuming that I am trying to make???

You see its like this, the announcer is doing what this thread says people do, see, the announcer without knowing assumed Woods was Caribbean and James is all, like, why do people just look at you say that you’re…

Know what….never mind.
Just…..walk aaaaway from the thread, nice and quiet.

"I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie dibby hip hop hop and you don't stop to rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jump the boogie"

Black's such a large lump of people. There are all sorts of blacks, and I think due to the sensitivity of the subject and the fact that most negros are completely ignorant of their roots, we just call them all black.

Nigerians, Ethiopians, and Moroccans all look different, but no one usually bothers to make the distinctions. Besides that, most Americans wouldn't know where to find Niger, Ethiopia or Morocco on a map; blacks doubly so.


what do you mean by

"most negros are completely ignorant of their roots, we just call them all black."

who is most negros?, not the ones i know thats for sure,


peace

who is most negros?, not the ones i know thats for sure,

And what are they, EmptyForce? And more to the point of this post, how do you know that they're "blacks"? If you can tell us that, then you'll have a good answer for James' question, huh?

Baron Max

My dipoma in Torture Valich I earned from Yale.

You see its like this, the announcer is doing what this thread says people do, see, the announcer without knowing assumed Woods was Caribbean and James is all, like, why do people just look at you say that you’re…

Know what….never mind.
Just…..walk aaaaway from the thread, nice and quiet.I did not "assume Woods was Caribbean," as I originally said that I thought he was from the Mediterranean! I mistook what the announcer said. Okay? Sorry.

Either way, I have no prejudice. Woods is a cool dude! What's your problem? Are you threatening me? If so, I will gladly give you my address so that you can exercise your degree in "Torture Valich earned from Yale." You are one heck of a sick person.

The stupidity that pollutes this thread: astounding.

Definitions as to what constitutes black are mostly social and remnants of a past culture of slavery and prejudice. The identification with the 'black race', even when the individual is say .25, .125 , etc. black is simply because society looks and treats them as being black.

With regards to deciphering a person's race based on how they look, that also depends on your definition as to what constitute black. They exist in North America and Europe, mostly in tight little clusters that therefore create a loose solidairty, a byproduct of being a members of a repressed subset of society. The ancestors of slaves from Africa are also all over the carribean and south america, but are culturally hispanics. And in specific segments of their respective societies, they are black or not based on wealth, gender, age, etc. It's all a bit moronic anyway. But I suspect people are willing to stay moronic, so that's all I"ll say.

I loooooooooooooooooooove this.
So Fountainhed finally shows and we suddently hear words like, drumroll please:

slavery
prejudice
repressed
slaves

He's the only black guy in here.

Almost every black I know has these in his vocab, you could be talking about cornflakes or war and somehow the black person in the group will manage to inject slavery or repression in there somwhere.
Look at Sharpton.
Look at Sowell.
Look at Kanye.
Look at Farakkan.

"Jayson Blair wasn't fired for being a slop, he..........he... was black. Black journalists face more oppression than whites and speaking of slavery..."
So if you really want a neat little way to decipher whether or not Person A is black, count the "slaves", "slavery" or "repression" in his reasoning. He's the one obsessed with his skin color and his ancestors.
Mehehah-ha......I can pick you out anywhere, Fhed.

And in specific segments of their respective societies, they are black or not based on wealth, gender, age, etc
Who decides this and where?

Valich:
I did not "assume Woods was Caribbean," as I originally said that I thought he was from the Mediterranean! I mistook what the announcer said. Okay? Sorry.
Ok, but cheggitout cheggitout- I never said you assumed Woods was Caribbean

Either way, I have no prejudice. Woods is a cool dude! What's your problem? Are you threatening me? If so, I will gladly give you my address so that you can exercise your degree in "Torture Valich earned from Yale." You are one heck of a sick person.
Fry

James R: I posted part of a statistical table listed on that .pdf file link you supplied entitled: "Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct." What happened to it? Did the administrator cut out some postings? Or was that on a different thread?

valich:

James R: I posted part of a statistical table listed on that .pdf file link you supplied entitled: "Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct." What happened to it?

I don't know. I guess it wasn't in this thread. Also, it wasn't me who linked to the pdf file you mention.

Brain Size Cranial Capacity:
Blacks: 1,267
Whites: 1,347
Orientals: 1,364

Brain Size Cortical Neurons (millions):
Blacks: 13,185
Whites: 13,665
Orientals: 13,767

Intelligence IQ Test Scores:
Blacks: 85
Whites: 100
Orientals: 106

Reproduction Hormone Levels:
Blacks: Higher
Whites: Intermediate
Orientals: Lower

Personality Aggressiveness:
Blacks: Higher
Whites: Intermediated
Orientals: Lower

Marital Stability, Law Abidingness, Mental Health:
Blacks: Lower
Whites: Intermediate
Orientals: Higher

"Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct," by J. Phillipe Ruston, Department of Psychology at the University of Psychology, University of Western Ontario, Internet Essay, 2001.
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.or...icConstruct.pdf

Secondary Source (original printed publication):
"Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective," by Rushton, J.P., Port Huron, MI, Charles Darwin Research Institute, 2000.

Some pretty BS stats there.

isn't it true that the substance that makes a person black called melanin?
isn't it also true that a person without this substance an albino?
if the foregoing is true then there are 4 races on this planet:
male
female
black
albino

I loooooooooooooooooooove this.
So Fountainhed finally shows and we suddently hear words like, drumroll please:


He's the only black guy in here.

Almost every black I know has these in his vocab, you could be talking about cornflakes or war and somehow the black person in the group will manage to inject slavery or repression in there somwhere.
Look at Sharpton.
Look at Sowell.
Look at Kanye.
Look at Farakkan.

And every dumb 'white' person I know of enjoys pretending that said issues are no longer evident within this society.


Who decides this and where?

Pathetic that you even ask.
I'd start with Brazil for one...

Please tell me how to distinguish black people from white people, in case it is ever important for me to be able to do that.If you don't know you had better learn quick, it is against the laws of the United states of America to not know "how distinguish black people from white people".

If you ever own a company that employes 12 or more people it will be important to you, you could lose your company over not knowing "how to distinguish black people from white people".

If you own a apartment building, "you better be able to distinguish black people from white people", you could lose your apartment building.

You could get into a fight with another human, and depending on there skin color you could be locked up in jail for years with whats called a "hate crime" for not knowing "how to distinguish black people from white people".

Our public schools can teach you, the quota system for our governments colleges admissions programs can explain "how to distinguish black people from white people".

If you want to know who's black, hispanic or white just look up the rules of our governments Affirmitive action laws.

I'm guessing by your question you do not know your own skin color or culture, so let me help you.

This is probably the best way to find out what your own skin color or culture is. You should first try to join any of the many Black only, Hispanic only or Asian only groups that are in America, if your not accepted in to any of these groups,

well then your just white.

James R

Here is what can happen if you do not know your own skin color:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:ETz5J9PlqJcJ:www.inspiringteachers. com/forums/Beginning_Teachers/posts/1111.html+%22Brandy+Stokes%22&hl=en

What does it take to be "black"?

Tint your skin to the same color, speak in the same accent, and act with the same inteligence level (not always the case).

What does it take to be "black"? ... Tint your skin to the same color, speak in the same accent, and act with the same inteligence level (not always the case).

If you do that, and walk around in the ghetto, you ain't likely to come out of that ghetto under ye're own power!

You should be damned careful about doing something like that, because those people who think they're black, even if they don't know how they know they're black, will likely beat the livin' shit outta' you for mocking blacks, even if they don't know what makes someone black!

Baron Max

valich:

How can you reliably "act with the same inteligence (sic) level"? Black people range in intelligence from below average to far above average.

valich:

How can you reliably "act with the same inteligence (sic) level"? Black people range in intelligence from below average to far above average.So, in your own mind, there are blacks with "far above average intelligence" but there are NO blacks with far "below average intelligence"?

If you do that, and walk around in the ghetto, you ain't likely to come out of that ghetto under ye're own power!

You should be damned careful about doing something like that, because those people who think they're black, even if they don't know how they know they're black, will likely beat the livin' shit outta' you for mocking blacks, even if they don't know what makes someone black!

Baron Max
Who made the ghetto? You think people like it there? You think they don't want to live the American Dream just like you?

Who made the ghetto?

Oh, golly, since the blacks are suffering there, then the white man must have built the ghettos especially for them! Ahh, I see that now. :)

You think people like it there?

Well, they continue to live there, so I assume that they do. If they didn't, they'd leave and move somewhere else ...like the white men have been doing for centuries!

Personally, I think the ghetto blacks like living there, because it's easier to get handouts from liberals and governments if they don't have a classy address up on Rich Man Overlook or somesuch.

You think they don't want to live the American Dream just like you?

Oh, sure they do ........but they want it handed to 'em, given to 'em free of charge and with no interest! They don't want to DO anything for it themselves. Heaven forbid that ghetto blacks have to work for a fuckin' living when they can hang out on a street corner and sell drugs and drink booze all day!

Baron Max

valich:

How can you reliably "act with the same inteligence (sic) level"? Black people range in intelligence from below average to far above average.Explain?

If you do that, and walk around in the ghetto, you ain't likely to come out of that ghetto under ye're own power!

You should be damned careful about doing something like that, because those people who think they're black, even if they don't know how they know they're black, will likely beat the livin' shit outta' you for mocking blacks, even if they don't know what makes someone black!

Baron MaxI have no prejdice: I think I could do it. I have in downtown black areas in Cleveland's west suburbs. Back then I was a Gaurdian Angel, but never wore the shirt.

Michael Jackson is kind've doing the opposite today?

I have no prejdice:

That's what almost everyone on Earth "says" ....but their actions speak much larger volumes, huh?

But remember, even if you really don't have any prejudices, that does NOT mean that others don't. So, in essence, your statement means almost nothing in the context of this topic ...ye're one person in gazillions!

Baron Max

Explain?
Good luck,

I have been waiting for a while to be educated myself of the ways that Mr James R thinks,

I think he's shy.

So, in your own mind, there are blacks with "far above average intelligence" but there are NO blacks with far "below average intelligence"?

The distribution of human intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, follows a "bell" or Gaussian distribution.

The distribution of human intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, follows a "bell" or Gaussian distribution.

And where, on that bell, do the different races fall? That, see, is a big, important question ...which apparently no one wants to test or check because he'd be labeled as a racist ....and kicked out of the university or out of the company he works for! See?

Baron Max

And where, on that bell, do the different races fall?

Well, that's the thing. The bell curves for different "races", taking samples of thousands of people, all have a huge amount of overlap. Thus, if you pick a white person and a black person out of a crowd at random, the chances are practically 50-50 that the black person will have a higher IQ than the white person, or vice versa.

That, see, is a big, important question ...

Why?

Some people like to divide people into "black" people and "white" people, and sometimes other "races", too.

....

It takes a little more to be black than white. Blacks can thank this on discrimination.
I should know.
I was dumb enough to stand up for what I believed, in the Medical Profession, and I became the biggest nigger that they ever had.

In fact, I dare say, compared to what I went through, there are very few blacks that really know what it feels like to be a real nigger, like me. And I’m not even black.

LOVE

Well, that's the thing. The bell curves for different "races", taking samples of thousands of people, all have a huge amount of overlap. Thus, if you pick a white person and a black person out of a crowd at random, the chances are practically 50-50 that the black person will have a higher IQ than the white person, or vice versa.

Well, that's not true according to the info that J.B. posted here earlier. It shows conclusively that blacks scored lower IQs than whites ...consistently.

So I would conclude from those tests that, if the blacks had one bell curve, and the whites had another, then the black bell curve would be lower, overall, than the white bell curve. So see, what the fuck does the bell curve say about the comparison between the IQs of the different races? ...unless they're tested and scored separately?

Baron Max

It takes a little more to be black than white. Blacks can thank this on discrimination.

Takes a little more what?? But I like your little speech, even tho' it means nothing.

I would like to ask, however, if blacks can "thank" discrimination for their plight, to what do they owe for the discrimination? Why are they discriminated? And if blacks are so great and wonderful, then why has it lasted so long?

Is it, perhaps, because they've consistently done something to deserve that discrimination?

Is it, perhaps, that they've consistently lived up to their "white-perceived" reputation?

Is it true, perhaps, that whites are reluctant to hire blacks because when they do, it's consistently true that there will be racial strife and problems within the company? If you were an employer, would you do something to wreck your own company???

Baron Max

Thus, if you pick a white person and a black person out of a crowd at random, the chances are practically 50-50 that the black person will have a higher IQ than the white person, or vice versa.

James R, I am sorry, but your statement is a complete lie.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/thomassowell/2002/10/01/164398.html

Well, that's not true according to the info that J.B. posted here earlier. It shows conclusively that blacks scored lower IQs than whites ...consistently...
Baron Max
Where is it easier to live, Europe or Africa? You can't survive in a jungle or desert without being smart and capable. I wouldn't be so damn proud of the industrial revolution, it is increasingly looking like a big mistake.

You can't survive in a jungle or desert without being smart and capable.

Well, if they're so smart and surviving so fucking well, then they don't need our fuckin' help, do they?!

Baron Max

Well, that's not true according to the info that J.B. posted here earlier. It shows conclusively that blacks scored lower IQs than whites ...consistently.

Not at all. It showed that the mean scores of groups of black people were lower than the mean scores of groups of white people.

You need to understand something about statistics to appreciate what this means. Do you want me to explain in more detail for you?

So I would conclude from those tests that, if the blacks had one bell curve, and the whites had another, then the black bell curve would be lower, overall, than the white bell curve.

There would be a slight shift of the curve peak, but still a huge amount of overlap.

I've previously discussed the reasons for that shift, and I have no intention of repeating myself. If you can't remember the previous discussion, I suggest you search previous threads.

So see, what the fuck does the bell curve say about the comparison between the IQs of the different races?

Well, that's the thing. It says nothing, except maybe that the IQ measurements are not as good as they could be.

Which makes me wonder why racists are so fixated on this kind of thing. Actually, I know why - it's because it supports their prejudices. It's selective reporting of information, as usual.

Here are some things necessary to be “black”

1- Skin pigmentation. Lots of it.

2- Thick-ass lips

3- An attitude

4- Laziness

5- An I.Q. below 80

6- A taste for melon

7- Welfare

8- A violent streak - when in groups

9- A vocabulary of below 100 words – 50 of which end in “…da”.

10- A white masta

11- No idea

12- Unjustifiable expectations

13- Kinky hair

14- Rhythm

15- Booty

16- The propensity of becoming excited at a drop of a hat

17- Hootin-and-Holering

18- Raz-ma-Taz

19- The ability to pull-off the bum-look, and make it look cool

20- The talent to pretend being a gangsta when you’re from the suburbs.

Not at all. It showed that the mean scores of groups of black people were lower than the mean scores of groups of white people.

NO ONE, not the NAACP nor the United Negro College Fund, nor NEA had been able to develop an intelligence test which shows Blacks and Whites scoring equally.

I assume you mean when the people taking the test are selected randomly. It would be easy enough to assemble a group of black people who could outscore 90% of groups of white people.

With the random selection, it isn't surprising, since, as I keep saying, black people in America on average live in less privileged circumstances than white people, which affects education and so on,

Isn’t “being black” a social construct like gender?
Isn’t everything that discriminates a social construct?

Isn’t that what imbeciles tell themselves so as to manage to cope with nature’s “unfairness” and to keep their hope alive, that man will one day cure nature of its awful ways?

Actually I’m beginning to thing being an imbecile is also an environmental effect, just like being short or ugly.

Some of my best best friends are black and I have no prejudice. Some of the most friendliest people I know are Africans. And I know a lot of very intelligent black academics. The only difference that I see between them and whites is that they talk a little different with a more Southern or Black accent. If you overcome this, you can look beyond it and see that they still have something just as inteligent to say within the context of the discussion.

Hmm well taking them from Western Africa and using them as slaves for cotton plantations in the U.S and Sugar plantations in the caribbean thus making them loose their heritage.

During slavery mass rapes and beatings, the current mind-set of blacks in North and South America and the Caribbean are a direct result of the Europeans.

European countries colonized the African countries except Ethipoia who fought off the Italians. Now when people such as the North African's want jobs in France they can't get any hence riots. Holland and the UK are making a song and dance about immigration but they felt it was ok to take over South African and rape her of her riches ie diamonds and create apartheid hence blacks could'nt even walk on the same side of the street as whites in their own country.

Bank's such as Barclay's and Lloyd's of London was financed directly through the sugar plantations in the caribbean as a result many black's today in the caribbean are sueing the banks. The bank's say the Caribbeans cannot sue as their was no treaty in place at the time as with the Jews and the Nazi's in world war 2.

How can anyone say anthing negative about blacks in the U.S today when they are the descendants of oppressed slaves tortured and beat by europeans.

Hmmm so what was World War 2 all about??? Hitler trying to establish a master race...... racist and unconsious views are a slap in the face to all the Allied soilders who died in the war.

How can anyone say anthing negative about blacks in the U.S today when they are the descendants of oppressed slaves tortured and beat by europeans.

Easy! The people of today aren't the ones who did the oppressing and the torture. And equally important, the blacks of today were NOT the ones that were oppressed and tortured.

Your comment, taken as a historical precedent, might account for the hatred of many races/cultures by many other races/cultures ....but just how far back into history are you going to take it?

And what people fail to consider is that anyone can and does hate and/or discriminate against those that they don't like and there's not a lot you can do about it ....especially if they're careful and discriminate so as not to get tangled up in the foolish laws that we have!

Baron Max

Slavery ended in the U.S in 1864 so it was about 4-5 generations ago this was the generation that did the oppressing. The Ideologies is still present in alot of households today 4-5 generations on still oppressing by other means other tactics ie goverment, police generally positions of authority indirectly.

Blacks were moved in great numbers from their homes to a new world by europeans who psycological and physical tortue on them. The factors of the psycological tortue has been passed down to the generations of today it may take centuries for it to be taken out of their system. Great black leaders have tried to re program them such as Martin Luther King, Malcom X also inspirational song writers such as 2 pac and Bob Marley these guys seem 2 come and go.......................................

Could you imagine if Africans had taken Europeans from europe as slaves to work in the cotton fields of the U.S beat and rape them reprogram them making them loose all heritage of who they are. Genertations later have them living in ghetto's introduce drugs to them to get them addicted to keep them down and kill each other. Kill their inspiration leaders incase of some sort of revolution, subliminally program their minds through media and have mindless plonkers chatting how useless and despised they are on the internet.

Maybe there is a system in place to prevent them from rising and keep them in the ghetto's, black's all over the world are oppressed from North and South America, Caribbean to Europe as a direct result from the Europeans. The only place where black's are not oppressed is in the arab world where they are equals and they inter marry.

James R:

You will edit my post and Fountainhed's..... yet leave that list from the shegoat untouched?


BURN

Oooh! Look, someone's being racist to get attention. That's never happened on the internet before!


Could you imagine if Africans had taken Europeans from europe as slaves to work in the cotton fields of the U.S beat and rape them reprogram them making them loose all heritage of who they are. Genertations later have them living in ghetto's introduce drugs to them to get them addicted to keep them down and kill each other. Kill their inspiration leaders incase of some sort of revolution, subliminally program their minds through media and have mindless plonkers chatting how useless and despised they are on the internet.

But it's been fifty years! They should have recovered from it by now!
I mean it's not like there is a multitude of social and economic factors involved in this, no! It's all simple "said group is genetically inferior," and generally that argument is coming from some fuckwad who lives with his mother-wife in a trailer park, who couldn't even define mitosis if you gave him a biology book.

Dr Lou Natic doesn't care about black people.

So what? You say that like you consider it a "bad thing" ...why? Is there some law or something that says that he, or anyone, should necessarily care about black people? Or red people? Or yellow people? Or white people?

Humans suck giant donkey dick, at best, so caring about them just doesn't seem like it's the thing to do! I care much more about my dog! :)

Baron Max

Well that say's it all this discussion is futile....................

Yes Baron Max, I do. I consider it a damned crime that he does not care about black people. Everyone must care about every living person, no matter how lowly, how pathetic or how straight up useless that person's life is.

Else we would have few attendees to the nationally-mandated pity-party.

Else we would have few attendees to the nationally-mandated pity-party.

I can see now why I haven't received MY engraved invitation!! :)

I'm sure I'll miss out on the patty-cake, patty-cake session, too? Damn!!

Baron Max

Well that say's it all this discussion is futile.......

And that's exactly why humans have disagreements, conflicts and wars! Welcome to the real world of human interaction (as opposed to the dreamworld that some of y'all live in!).

Baron Max

Oooh! Look, someone's being racist to get attention. That's never happened on the internet before!

Nigger, nigger, dothead!!!

James:
Allright.
:fuming:
Til next time.......

And that's exactly why humans have disagreements, conflicts and wars!
No, the why is Spooky.

Brain Size Cranial Capacity:
Blacks: 1,267
Whites: 1,347
Orientals: 1,364

Brain Size Cortical Neurons (millions):
Blacks: 13,185
Whites: 13,665
Orientals: 13,767

Intelligence IQ Test Scores:
Blacks: 85
Whites: 100
Orientals: 106

Reproduction Hormone Levels:
Blacks: Higher
Whites: Intermediate
Orientals: Lower

Personality Aggressiveness:
Blacks: Higher
Whites: Intermediated
Orientals: Lower

Marital Stability, Law Abidingness, Mental Health:
Blacks: Lower
Whites: Intermediate
Orientals: Higher

"Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct," by J. Phillipe Ruston, Department of Psychology at the University of Psychology, University of Western Ontario, Internet Essay, 2001.
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.or...icConstruct.pdf

Secondary Source (original printed publication):
"Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective," by Rushton, J.P., Port Huron, MI, Charles Darwin Research Institute, 2000.

the biggest brain on record is that of an idiot

With the random selection, it isn't surprising, since, as I keep saying, black people in America on average live in less privileged circumstances than white people, which affects education and so on,Black people "on average live in less privileged circumstances than white people" in all places of the world.

Having a high IQ is a "privilege".

Brain Size Cranial Capacity:
Blacks: 1,267
Whites: 1,347
Orientals: 1,364

Brain Size Cortical Neurons (millions):
Blacks: 13,185
Whites: 13,665
Orientals: 13,767

Intelligence IQ Test Scores:
Blacks: 85
Whites: 100
Orientals: 106

Let's say for the sake of fun that the orientals are the master race and we set them at 100%

Size Cranial capacity:
Orientals: 100%
Whites: 98.7%
Blacks: 92.8%

Brain size cortical neurons (millions
Orientals: 100%
Whites: 99.25%
Blacks: 95.7%

IQ test scores:
Orientals: 100%
Whites: 94.3%
Blacks: 80%

Conclusions:
Despite having a large cranial capacity that is stuffed to the rim with neurons the whities do not use them at all. In fact their neurons seem to be more stupid than those of orientals. Their neurons have 5% less capacity than those of orientals. We do not know what happens with this 5%. Moreover the IQ test was designed by whities for whities and we would expect them to be clear winners. Instead they lose by quite a white margin despite having almost the same amount of neurons as orientals. We must conclude that despite having unfair advantages in this contest and still losing by a wide margin they must be stupid on some level. I hope we will all pray now to the white god to correct this error. In case this doesn't work we can still blame the black people.


anyhoo...none of these statistics show in any of these threads show any causal correlation.

Black people "on average live in less privileged circumstances than white people" in all places of the world.

Having a high IQ is a "privilege".

Now you're getting it!

Moreover the IQ test was designed by whities for whities and we would expect them to be clear winners.

But wait a minute ....if all races are, as you claim, with equal intelligence, then how could anyone design a test for ONLY whites? ...or one that made whites to be the "clear winners"?

Also, since blacks are always trying to make that same claim, why don't black psychologists design an IQ (or other?) test to "prove" that blacks are superior in intellect? I mean, if it's as easy as you say, then....?

Baron Max

For their culture.

I score less on english IQ tests too, because I am not a native.

Now you're getting it!James,

Does being "privileged" create a high IQ?

or

Does a high IQ create being "privileged"?

Let's say for the sake of fun that the orientals are the master race and we set them at 100%

Nobody want's to read your racist thoughts.

James,

Does being "privileged" create a high IQ?

or

Does a high IQ create being "privileged"?



both
:D

both
:D
Thee old Chicken before the Egg routine eh...

What does it take to be "black"?


Big Dick
Low Restraint of rage
Gallons of sperm to pop out more and more ignorant babies
High Verticle Leap
basic knowledge of Algebra


I am deffinetly not a racist, and donot believe in what was posted above, but there it is someone non-white saying it just to get a rise out of people. Bottom line is "Will to Power", any idiot can force upon his reasoning when inspired by his own triumph

J.B:

Does being "privileged" create a high IQ?

or

Does a high IQ create being "privileged"?

A bit of both. These things are very seldom black and white. Pardon the pun.

James,

Does being "privileged" create a high IQ?

or

Does a high IQ create being "privileged"?



awwwwright.
I'll be a little more specific than "both".
Being "privileged" can nurture your inherent abilities
by letting you have the schooling and surroundings
that would give you the full benefit of your capabilities;
though I've noticed that subsequent generations of
the privileged class are seldom as intelligent as those
that put them in their socioeconomic position.
And then you have self made men;
i.e. people that attained their high
socioeconomic status via hard work, brains
and perseverance.
Take for instance Conrad Hilton,
he amassed his fortune with shrewd business practices
and intelligence starting with minimal capital.
Fast forward to Paris Hilton and you see someone
whose IQ is probably in the double digits.

J.B:
A bit of both. These things are very seldom black and white. Pardon the pun.James,

Does being rich help people to be intelligent?

Or, does being intelligent help people to be rich?

Does being rich help people to be intelligent?

Or, does being intelligent help people to be rich?

There doesn't seem to be any necessary corellation between wealth and intelligence at all. Paris Hilton is rich, but is she intelligent? Some people are born rich. Others get lucky. Some win the lottery - only minimal intelligence required. Being too intelligent probably prevents a person from becoming rich, if you ask me.

There doesn't seem to be any necessary corellation between wealth and intelligence at all.

Can I ask how you came to that conclusion?

Wikipedia disagrees with you, apparently. But it's probably racist propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

All it takes is a willingness to watch at least an hour of BET everyday. The rest will follow.

Of course, I'm not serious. I'm not even a human.

There doesn't seem to be any necessary corellation between wealth and intelligence at all.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=wealth+and+intelligence+IQ&btnG=Search
Being too intelligent probably prevents a person from becoming rich, if you ask me.This is a unitelligent statement.

There IS a correlation between socioeconomic status and intelligence,
though you're right as far as an IQ over 160 does have a negative
correlation with success due to behavioural/social functionality issues... or so I emember reading.

though you're right as far as an IQ over 160 does have a negative
correlation with success due to behavioural/social functionality issues... or so I emember reading.Any link for this statement?

apendrapew:

Wikipedia disagrees with you, apparently. But it's probably racist propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

Start by reading your own link. In full.

It supports my view, not yours.

Ask Eminem :D

I think that Michael Jackson is white and Mohamed Ali is Mohamed Ali. Don't wont to talk about Slim Shady Eminem that is Black :p or Prince that is Prince. If you know what I mean ;)

I am surprised by the number of ignorant comments I've read on this site. I'm african american, black, whatever.

Look people. No matter how ignorant or naive it sounds, there is only one race. Within the human race, there is an incredible amount of variation and this goes beyond being white our black or even asian. There are people that you will meet, and you will never be able to imagine for a minute that they could've been smart simply based on their behavior, their curiousity, logical reasoning and other traits. THe most intelligent people are the most curious and the ones who have had the freedom and willingness to explore from a young age. Just look at child prodigies like Micheal Kearny. He had an IQ of 325 as a child. He would not have been a child prodigy if his mom was on welfare, his dad left home, and his white teacher thought he was naturally dumb because he was black. However, would he still have had a genius IQ in adult life. It's hard to say, because although the natural characteristics were there the environment was not right. His gift would not have been fully developed.

I suspect asian countries have higher IQ's because they have different customs, their education is more stringent, and their familliies are more tight and pay more attention to the intellectual development of their children. It's a different culture. The black culture in america is different from the white culture. It would be foolish to come to the conclusion that one race is smarter than the other based on IQ test. Case in point: administering an IQ test and comparing results of tribal aboriginees in australia to that of american whites. This is a stupid comparison because the environments in which they live are completely different :bugeye: . You may not believe this, but the environment in which whites and blacks in america are raised are completely different. If you are white, you cannot imagine what it is like to be raised black and vice versa. There is absolutely no similarity and that's why it is not unfair to make an analogy between making the same "IQ comparison" to tribal aboriginees (or, really, any third world nation), who obviously don't get a modern US education. Besides, we are placing way to much importance on IQ. It is only one aspect of a person and only measures the characteristics of intelligence of an individual that are valued in modern western society. Just because you have an IQ doesn't mean you can't have stupid beliefs. Just look at the chess prodigy Bobby Fischer who I read disowned his own mom because she didn't know how to play chess (Fischer thought people who couldn't play chess were inferior). I think having a high IQ increases ones ability to function and make money in our technology and science driven society. High IQ makes our society work and living in the society makes possible the high IQ - i.e., high scores on an IQ test.

What does it take to be black? You've got to have a thick skin because our white society will try to push all of your buttons, especially if you endeavor to enter corporate america. You've got to be above average to be given a shot at anything because everyone is already convinced you're inferior. Just read the crap that I've been reading on the internet about race and IQ. And you've got to be wise and open-minded to put up with comments such as these and still love your fellow human beings...meaning don't overgeneralize anything to the entire race. Lastly, I will say, you've got to remember that every other person of color and many immigrants are like you, and no matter how successful you may become, you must identify with them. You will never be entirely accepted by the dominant race of our society, and even if you are, there will always be a time when you will feel alone. They will see you as different. Your skin color guarantees it, and they would happily use the race card to tower over you.

Race is not genetic. People usually define races by color and your country of origin i think.

Please tell me how to distinguish black people from white people, in case it is ever important for me to be able to do that.

If you don't know you had better learn quick, it is against the laws of the United states of America to not know "how distinguish black people from white people".

If you ever own a company that employes 12 or more people it will be important to you, you could lose your company over not knowing "how to distinguish black people from white people".

If you own a apartment building, "you better be able to distinguish black people from white people", you could lose your apartment building.

You could get into a fight with another human, and depending on there skin color you could be locked up in jail for years with whats called a "hate crime" for not knowing "how to distinguish black people from white people".

Our public schools can teach you, the quota system for our governments colleges admissions programs can explain "how to distinguish black people from white people".

If you want to know who's black, hispanic or white just look up the rules of our governments Affirmitive action laws.

I'm guessing by your question you do not know your own skin color or culture, so let me help you.

This is probably the best way to find out what your own skin color or culture is. You should first try to join any of the many Black only, Hispanic only or Asian only groups that are in America, if your not accepted in to any of these groups,

well then your just white.

So, basically, J.B, you're saying that black and white depend on what people say they are. If the government defines me as black, then I'm black. But a change of law could mean that I become white. Right?

So, the distinction may be operationally important, but it isn't biologically significantly - only socially.

and jb STILL cannot admit that he has black blood
there is black in your genes jb, get over it