What does Islam gain by attacking America and Europe?

If you had to take for granted their leaders think rationally and strategically what do you think they stand to gain from committing terrorism in Europe and the US?

 

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well if they were acting strategically with all the millarty overseas now would be a good time to invade the US. Either that or to take chunks out of there Millatry

 

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They would gain;

US removal from Iraq and the Mid East ( Spain pulled out its troops after Madrid)
Reduced US support for Israel and mid east dictatorships (including pakistan).
Changes in US foreign policy towards Islamic nations.

 

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I reject your classification that Islam is responsible for attacking America and Europe, although It seems like I'm nitpicking, its these sort of things that lead people to misconceptions. Islam is a religion, and it is not the sole or the main reason why terrorists have committed these acts.

I believe the sole and major reason is the actions of the USA abroad intervening and supporting dictators and invading countries. This belief is backed up by countless sources.some of which include OBL himself.

 

Well, had there been no Sept 11, we'd have no US troops in Iraq or Afganistan.

I, personally, had no favorite in the Israel/Palestinian conflict until I saw Palestinians celebrating on Sept 11. Ever since, I say fuck Palestine. I'm sure a lot of Americans feel the same way.

And the US isn't Spain. Attack us, and it pisses us off, rather than scares us like those Spanish pussies. After seeing what a pain in the ass occupation is, I suspect our next response to any major attack will be nuclear. Especially if a Democrat is in office when it happens.

 

There would be no sept 11. if you didn't have troops in Saudi Arabia.
There also would be no OBL if you hadn't funded him during the 80s.
There also wouldn't be Israel/Palestine conflict if you didn't veto every single resolution critical of Israel and send it over 4 billion in Arms trade.
There wouldn't be palestinians celebrating if Israeli shells didn't say "made in Saltsburg, Pennsylvania" On them.

Once you go nuclear. There will be no stopping the demise of the USA.

How long can you stay pissed off ? The longest so far was 10 years of continious war. Vietnam lasted 6 years. So far Iraq has been roughly the same with less casualties.
How long before people start to realise that they have no one to blame but themselves ?

 

An opportunity to be victimized. For example, if the U.S. were to Nuke Iran because a single terrorist blew himself up in Montana bar then Muslims might get away with being perceived as victims of an overreaction.

But that's really the best they could ever hope for. The real result is that nobody in the western world can say Muslim / Islam without immediately thinking about crazy beareded nutbags ready to explode on something. The religion is the worlds most hated right now and for good reason.

 

Where did that quote come from? desi did not write Islam?

 

Topic title.

 

Instability and fear.

 

Ok, lets then see. OBL and his ilk say they are fighting for Islam. So what does Islam gain from their struggle?

Nothing at all! In fact they are doing more damage to Islam than anyone else. Why is that accepted, muslims keep claiming that terrorism is not islam, but, where is then the Fatwa condemming OBL and the others? Why must Rushdie fear for his life for writing a book, while OBL and al queada run free!

 

OBL and Al Qaeda run free because in the Muslim world, They aren't the ones attacking their religion, way of life and their land. They aren't the ones slandering their love for god.

 

They are killing in the name of God, for the aggrandisement of Islam. And that is not offensive?

 

Not to people who see and live under every day, the dictators armed and blessed by the US. The Soldier, who shoots at their people. Contractors pillaging their resources. People being made to feel ashamed of their religion. The continued promises of peace, belied by the bombs, the hatred, the fear of invasion.
They feel like there is no hope and they turn to extremism as a way of salvation.

There are few that still find that this extremism is in fact starting to corrupt the purity of faith. But that number is far and few.

 

So, they are justifiably angry at the dictators they live under, tolerated by the west, hence they feel justified to blowing up bombs in the tube. Makes sense....

No wait, these guys lived in the UK....

 

Isn't it possible to be angered by what is happening (in a real sense) to your brothers and sisters. Many muslims have relatives back home, and in a sense feel more of a connection to their countries than with the UK.

 

So your angry, and you start killing. A nice view of the world. If they are unhappy in the west, why not move then. I am not sure where you stand on this. I cannot see any excuse what so ever. If they are so pissed of on there own rulers, maybe they should do something about it, rather than blowing up passengers on a train in spain or the UK.

 

Russia would control allot more of the world than it does now. Russia supplies , for the most part, the military hardware and technical as well as military advice to those leaders.

 

Like the Iraqis and Afghanis?

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On a separate note, how should the people in these countries cope with UN vetoes and sanctions, undermining of elected governments by strangulation of economies, US troops on their lands and dictators funded and armed by the west?

What do you suggest they should do?

 

No, I am talking about the train bombings in the UK and Spain. I mean, how can that be justified?