Don't worry, I am going somewhere with this, but first I would like to hear what some define as fears equal and opposite.

Indifference.

Bemusement.


(If that's a word :D )

horny

No way, Joeman. Fear turns me on, in certain situations. The two have a connection.

Indifference is close, but bemusement or amusement is, for me, the true opposite of fear.

I've been in situations where I was supposed to be afraid, and only realized how ridiculous the menace was.

Knowledge

It is often said that love is the oposite of fear.

Are emotions like colors? Like light? Well.. for sure emotions share some of the properties of a kaleidescope. Okay, I'll stop talking for now. Kind of silly, pardon.

Maybe uhm... infatuation is the opposite of fear eh?

Love and fear are also connected.

bravery

Isn't bravery the conquest of fear?

fearless

if you look at it in a certain way, yes.....although I would consider courage to be the conquest of fear.

To me, bravery is to have no fear at all. What comes first, bravery or fear? Is it possible to not have fear? Ignorance may bring bravery, yet conquering fear may also teach you bravery.

If you don't like contradictions or conditions, then I would say love or
posted by wesmorris:

infatuation
is even better.

By definition, fear is...

A feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger.

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Therefore, the opposite would be absence of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger. This, I think, is called SECURITY.

By definition, security is...

Freedom from risk or danger; safety.
Freedom from doubt, anxiety, or fear; confidence.

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I will stick with security... :)

grazzhoppa:
If you don't like contradictions or conditions, then I would say love or infatuation

But I am in love, and I can't say that I feel no fear. I mean, yeah, I'm more reckless and bitchy, but I still feel fear - does this person love me or are they just using me? When will they leave? Am I going to end up being controlled by them by virtue of my love for them? Will he end up failing in his "own characteristic war"?

Etc, etc.

I'd say that love can intensify fear. I like what I said and what Solidius said best.

Security is indeed the opposite of fear. I know this because sometimes I feel secure in my infatuation and I no longer worry about what is happening to me.

Blah. I sound like such a fucking chick. :rolleyes:

Love. :m:

Originally posted by Bebelina
Love. :m:

So love of POT is the opposite of fear????

I'm down. What the hell.

Oh yeah.. and the person who said security was right. That was a good point. *gong/cowtow*

No, not love of pot, but love as a feeling, as a state of being. Security is a good description what it feels like when you feel love too. :)

Originally posted by Bebelina
No, not love of pot, but love as a feeling, as a state of being. Security is a good description what it feels like when you feel love too. :)


No sense of humor? Hello???

(if you notice I said love before you so I stick my tongue out at you in a vigorous and teasing manner)

Oh, but the guy made a point that surpasses love, you can feel "love" and have "fear" at the same time, thereby making "security" a far more accurate description of the opposite of fear. It may have been what we were trying to get at by saying love or infatution, but security is correct as the exact opposite but love or infatution is a few steps removed. So SoliDUS (tried to spell it right) is as correct as is possible.

I'll say assurance.

the one that spoke the most to me was 'knowledge'. I have to think about that for a while.

Love, I believe, is the opposite of fear. One leads to the creation, sustaining, and enhancement of life and the quality of our lives, and the other to a myriad of deaths, emotional, mental, physical, of relationships, etc.......

Beyond all else, how we deal with our fears and express love, is central to our time here.

Within the context of our modern day society, these matters seem almost inconsequencial, yet paradoxically, these ethereal experiences are the most important aspects of our physical existence.

The opposite of fear is acceptance.

Originally posted by jandt
the one that spoke the most to me was 'knowledge'. I have to think about that for a while.

I have always felt that fear is a derivative of ignorance.

The actor who has stagefright, fears the unknown outcome of his performances.

Many fear death because they don't know what, if anything, comes after.

The elementary school kid who is afraid to show his parents a bad reprt card, does so because he is ignorant to their reaction. As the kid gets older, he knows what to expect from them, and the fear of the situation dissipates.

The key to overcoming fear is through knowledge, IMHO. Once we have experiences in what we fear, whether it be(dating, work, competitions), the fear will shrink. Obviously though, if the fear is complex like "fear of heights", simply experiencing it won't be enough because the outcome of the situation (whether they slip and fall) is undetermined in their mind.

I would consider understanding as being the opposite of fear. Because while you may have the knowledge, if you are unable to comprehend it, it is as good as not knowing. And if not knowing causes fear, then fear causes ignorance, and as ignorance is not knowing, then the contrapositive of "the presence of fear causes ignorance" then "the lack of ignorance is the lack of fear" should hold true. :D

the opposite of fear is open-minded-ness

i think that the opposite of fear is faith.

and knowledge and fear go hand in hand.

Faith to me is a form of blind acceptance. So I think if one truly had faith they would have conquered fear. However personally that is not my path. Some men may be defeated by blind faith and some may become great men.

Knowledge would change how we perceive fear. Not to defeat fear itself.

You can have an open mind with out accepting. However if one has the stillness to accept what he fears, then he is the victor and will never fear again.

Empty Dragon,

The opposite of fear is acceptance.

Well... there are many kinds of fear. If you fear death, how can acceptance stop this fear. Unless you fear being rejected, being accepted doesn't make much sense... Do you have fear of rejection...?:confused:

jandt,

the one that spoke the most to me was 'knowledge'. I have to think about that for a while.

It makes sense. However, if the knowledge that we are being invaded by space mutants with green tentacles and laser guns doesn't cause us fear, I don't know what else can cause... :eek:

Knowledge is still not the best. The Truth would be a better one...


Lex311,

i think that the opposite of fear is faith.

You are almost there... :)
I would say that the opposite of fear is God's Faith... :)

and knowledge and fear go hand in hand.

Many times it does...


The opposite of fear - Love, of course :)
Perfect Love cast out fear... :)

The opposite of fear is raef.

Originally posted by SoLiDUS
By definition, fear is...

A feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger.

------

Therefore, the opposite would be absence of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger. This, I think, is called SECURITY.

By definition, security is...

Freedom from risk or danger; safety.
Freedom from doubt, anxiety, or fear; confidence.

------

I will stick with security... :)




this one was a ways back, but here goes...


have to disagree on a purely semantic level, unless you said a FEELING of security.

love!!!!! If there is fear there is no love and if there is love then there is no fear. True, spiritual, pure love

Well... there are many kinds of fear. If you fear death, how can acceptance stop this fear. Unless you fear being rejected, being accepted doesn't make much sense... Do you have fear of rejection...?

I do not see how they are different. Granted they are fears of different things but it is still fear. I am not talking about acceptance of others but acceptance of circumstance and of life. If you accept that there are space aliens with green taco lazers attacking you, then you need not fear. Just act as you must with out fear holding you back. All fear does is hold you back. It is know longer a usefull instinct, we can now logicaly dicide if we're doing something that could harm us (Some of us anyways). So fear know longer has use and should be defeated.
The opposite of fear is raef.
No Xev that is just fear spelt backwards.:rolleyes:

On the subject of pure spiritual love as the opposite of fear. I am not too clear on this subject. On one hand if one where to attain a pure "spiritual" love would that even be possible to obtain with out first conquering your fears?

Gah! How can anyone who's read even some romantic literature or art (Carmen springs to mind) say that love is the opposite of fear?

Emily and Valencourt.
Carmen and don Jose.
Pamela and Mr. B
Tyler Durdan and Marla Singer

Love and fear are intricately connected.

On the subject of pure spiritual love as the opposite of fear. I am not too clear on this subject. On one hand if one where to attain a pure "spiritual" love would that even be possible to obtain with out first conquering your fears?

I was going to reply, but all the stuff about "pure spiritual love" made me throw up and now I have to clean my keyboard. :rolleyes:

Its just a concept.:rolleyes:

Hey that looks like ravioli:confused:

Yeah but it's a stupid concept. Hell, you don't even have to have been in love to know it's wrong -- you just have to have read some of the classics of romantic literature.

I am curious to know how you dismiss that concept so easily? Please elaborate...

One could say that you must love to understand that it is right.

maybe sometimes the opposite of fear is fear.
like fear stretches so far in one way that it is on
the opposite end of a pole from fear of something else...

Fear is fear so how can it oppose itself?

Xev,

By no means the Love phoenix99 and me are talking about is romantic love. The Love we are talking about is a pure unconditional Love that comes from caring for others. It's caring, sharing, nurturing. It's compassionate. It's kind and gentle. It's not anxious. It creates peace in someone's heart. It is perfect.

Nelson, that doesn't exist.

"There has never been a great "love" movement in the history of the world that hasn't ended up killing countless numbers of people, we must assume, to prove how much they loved them. Every hypocrite that has ever walked the earth has had pockets bulging with love"
--Anton Szandor LaVey

Empty:
Love means caring about another human.
Ergo, caring if they will be endangered.
Ergo, fearing for them.

You don't need to take my word for it. Just watch a production of "Carmen" and tell me that love casts out fear.

Besides, romantic love involves sex. Good sex involves fear -- or at least pain, and all organisms fear or are repelled by pain-- whatever.
Ergo, romantic love involves fear.

One could say that you must love to understand that it is right.

Well then, I love, I fear for the one I love, ergo, I'm right.

Are you saying that if your lover was on a business trip to the West Bank, you wouldn't fear because you loved them?

"Bye, honey. Have fun, and I'm not in the least concened that you'll be killed by some religious whack-job even though they're more common there than lawyers are at a hospital"

Have I mentioned that I am right? :D

Anyways, perfect booze casts out fear. But life would really suck without fear.

Xev,

"There has never been a great "love" movement in the history of the world that hasn't ended up killing countless numbers of people, we must assume, to prove how much they loved them. Every hypocrite that has ever walked the earth has had pockets bulging with love"

Here are some people whose greatest power was Love:
Mother Teresa (http://members.tripod.com/~jiannette/mother.html), Mahatma Gandhi (http://www.dailycelebrations.com/100299.htm), Nelson Mandela (http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/peaceheroes/nelson_mandela.html), Martin Luther King (http://www.dailycelebrations.com/011500.htm), and many others that are unknown


http://www.quoteland.com/author.asp?AUTHOR_ID=303
http://grove.ufl.edu/~leo/mlk.html
http://www.uucpa.org/sermons/sermon010114.html
http://adela.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pyrih/g/gandhi.html

Quotes:

"Everybody can be great. Because anybody can serve. You only need a heart full of grace. A soul generated by love."
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into friend,"
- Martin Luther King

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.
We ask ourselves: "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?"
Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God.
Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."
~ NELSON MANDELA

"But one must not imagine that this white settler is motivated solely by fear. He too, is a human creature. He has not lived upon earth without being influenced by the great human ideas, notably by the ideas of Christianity. Therefore, he too is a divided creature, torn between his fears for his own safety and his desire for his own survival on the one hand, and on the other, by those ideas of justice and love which are at the very heart of his religion. We are witnessing today a struggle in the hearts of men [white men] between the claims of justice and of survival, of conscience and of fear.

It is my own belief that the only power which can resist the power of fear is the power of love. It's a weak thing and a tender thing; men despise it and deride it. But I look for the day when in South Africa we shall realize that the only lasting and worth-while solution of our grave and profound problems lies not in the use of [physical] power, but in that understanding and compassion without which human life is an intolerable bondage, condemning us all to an existence of violence, misery and fear."
- Alan Paton...!

also... http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/nodate/100ideas.html

I need not mention the activities of Mandela's wife, nor Mother Theresa's comments re: why the poor deserve to suffer, nor Ghandi's failings as a husband and father...

ok... now YOU are perfect, aren't you?:bugeye:

Very close to it. I don't deny my nature as a human, nor do I stay all-too-human.

I'll say assurance
My idea would be similar to Fading Captain's - confidence.

At least I think that would be the word. Sort of a reckless confidence that's a level up from hope because the situation's so bad that you're 100% positive that something's going to happen to make it all right, because it has to.

Like saying, this must be a dream. I'm going to wake up any second now.

But that would be more of a "situational" opposite, and thinking about it, about the sense of unreality that extreme fear can bring on, I might have to change my mind and say perhaps the opposite to fear is

serenity?

Xev...
...I don't even answer that...:bugeye:

Nelson, you just did. :p

I know I'm condratictory... :p
But I think that's what most make me interesting... ;)

Empty: Love means caring about another human.
Ergo, caring if they will be endangered.
Ergo, fearing for them.


If you have conquered your fear, you will not have to fear. You will be aware of the possibiliy, you will not desire it to happen. But you will not let your self be consumed.
You don't need to take my word for it. Just watch a production of "Carmen" and tell me that love casts out fear.
C...a...r.men? Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?:confused:

Besides, romantic love involves sex. Good sex involves fear -- or at least pain, and all organisms fear or are repelled by pain-- whatever.

Good sex involves fear -- or at least pain= Erotic sex

Love sex is not erotic sex. You stick your dick in the hole and you cum. That is Erotic sex. Pain that exites you is erotic stimution.

Truely "making love" is not derived on erotic stimulation. The plessure is based on the emotions that you have for each other. There is a big differnce beteewn sex and love. Plus you have way better O's.
Well then, I love, I fear for the one I love, ergo, I'm right. You are right that you are fearing for the one you love granted.
Are you saying that if your lover was on a business trip to the West Bank, you wouldn't fear because you loved them? Not at all. I think if oyu had not conquered your fears that could drive you mad.

Anyways, perfect booze casts out fear. But life would really suck without fear.
That is your preference. But is it your choice our is fear keeping you there. Eventually a slave will find comfort in being a slave, and to be free seems like a nightmare.

Empty Dragon:
If you have conquered your fear, you will not have to fear. You will be aware of the possibiliy, you will not desire it to happen. But you will not let your self be consumed.

No, you don't become fearless when you conquer fear. You simply don't let your fear control you.

C...a...r.men? Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?

*Groans*
The opera, Carmen. Carmen and Don Jose fall in love, they fight, she leaves him, he stabs her....

Truely "making love" is not derived on erotic stimulation. The plessure is based on the emotions that you have for each other. There is a big differnce beteewn sex and love. Plus you have way better O's.

I was going to respond, but I vomited at all the tripe about making love.

/Hint/
That example was tounge in cheek.

Although being lectured to about sex by a young teen was a bit amusing.

You are right that you are fearing for the one you love granted.

So then love does not make you fearless, correct?
Thus, love does not cast out fear, correct?

That is your preference. But is it your choice our is fear keeping you there. Eventually a slave will find comfort in being a slave, and to be free seems like a nightmare.

Right. We could all be mindless, unfeeling zombies like in Brave New World, never feeling pain, fear or discomfort, only consuming like the mindless slaves our culture teaches us to be.

Why are you afraid of fear?

No, you don't become fearless when you conquer fear. You simply don't let your fear control you.

Conquering fear means defeating it. If you still fear the battle is still being fought. After a time the fear becomes essentialy none existant. Too the point where it will become nothing more then an obslete dormant primative instinct. To me that would be fearless.

Although being lectured to about sex by a young teen was a bit amusing

Mieh..what ever turns you on.:rolleyes: LMAO Xev you assume to much dear. I am not lecturing you, I am simply giving my opinion.

So then love does not make you fearless, correct?
I don't remember claiming love could make you fearless. Just give you wings ;) lmao

Right. We could all be mindless, unfeeling zombies like in Brave New World, never feeling pain, fear or discomfort, only consuming like the mindless slaves our culture teaches us to be.
Letting you "spirit" be broken causes the the drone syndrome. Not fear or pain those are mearly side dishes..not the main course. Or you coudl do the same thing by controling them through fear.
Why are you afraid of fear?
I think being afraid is pointless and a waste of time. To me it is counter productive. You can be a slave to fear as you can be a slave to love. Fear put you in a little tiny box, love expands your boundries. But love can end up being the same thing as fear if you let it get there. Either or can make your mind a living hell. I see a use within love but fear to me is of know use.

Just curious...What is your logic behind your faith in the "negative" spectrum of emotions.

Empty:
Conquering fear means defeating it. If you still fear the battle is still being fought. After a time the fear becomes essentialy none existant. Too the point where it will become nothing more then an obslete dormant primative instinct. To me that would be fearless.

Does conquering a country mean that you've completely destroyed that country?
Does conquering a person mean that you've killed them?

No. They can still exist, however, they do not control you.

Fear serves a purpose, otherwise, we would have not evolved to fear. Fear lets us know that we are in danger, and tells us to get the fuck out! But a true warrior does not give into fear.

Even the bravest of, say, Navy SEALS must feel some fear when confronted by a man pointing a gun at them.
They simply don't let that fear control them.

Letting you "spirit" be broken causes the the drone syndrome.

I agree there.

You can be a slave to fear as you can be a slave to love.

You can also be the master of your fear by making it your tool.

Fear put you in a little tiny box, love expands your boundries.

Disagree. Fear CAN put you in a little box, but it does not have to.

I'll give another example:

Suppose I am a boxer. I have two opponents, a 110 pound young woman who occasionally jogs, and a beefy, 220 pound guy who works out every day. Suppose I'm a 130 pound woman who's really a newbie at boxing.

Who do I fight? The guy, obviously, because the more chances against me, the more glory if I win!

Same with fear. It's your choice to have fear as an opponent. Why would you forsake a good opponent?

Just curious...What is your logic behind your faith in the "negative" spectrum of emotions.

I don't think they're negative at all. Fear is good, pain is good, so are love and compassion.

They all have their uses. Pain, for example. You can test and exalt your Will by your willingness to martyr yourself for what you believe in. You overcome your aversion to pain, you show how much you value your will. Love and compassion, you I don't think will argue with.

Basically, they are enemies, and as such are friends.

I would see it to be an obstacle a philosopher must conquer. Since fear in the end will hold you back from accepting the truth. Like I said earlier the opposite of fear is acceptance. With out acceptance your philosophy will be pointless and stuck. You are defeated. Fear can dominate your life and extinguish its passion.

"Worrying will not empty tommorow of its problems only, empty today of its joys." Confucius (Did I spell that right?)

It will make you a coward. I believe that a philosopher must become fearless other wise he will not accomplish much.

Regardless if fear is enjoyable to some or hell to others. In the realm of philosphy it has no use. Just like hate, anger, anxiety,sadness, depression, cruelty, and hastiness . They would have no productive use in terms of philosophy. Hate, anger, anxiety,sadness, depression, cruelty, and hastiness will only hinder you on your search for truth. They are just the opposites of Kindness, love, joy, fairness, openness, righteousness, courage, gentleness. Just like truth and illusion are opposites. If you are a true philosopher you are searching for the truth. So you have chossen your extreme. To dwell in illusion is to dwell in Hate, anger, anxiety,fear, sadness, depression, cruelty, and hastiness. This is why I say that they have no use in philosophy. For if you dwell in them you will never walk your true path. you will only walk further in the opposite direction.

Empty Dragon:

Meh, whatever. You seem unable or unwilling to seriously argue this, only to repeat your views ad nauseum.

ust like hate, anger, anxiety,sadness, depression, cruelty, and hastiness . They would have no productive use in terms of philosophy

Actually, they do have productive use. But then, I didn't think they did when I was young, either. So until you realize this for yourself, there's no convincing you.

Peace. :m:

Xev please elaborate because I have entertained your ideas and reflected upon them. My response are simply my thoughts and reactions to your posts.

I am and alwasy have been ready to seriously argue this point. Not to be disrespectfull but you respond with vomit and not intellectual debate. Do you have a bases for your opinion? If so you have not presented it to me yet.

Actually, they do have productive use.
Please show me that you can support this.

Are you at all interested in truth? I do not mean to be rude in any way but how do you reach these conclusions. Perhaps you have not worded your posts correctly?

Too me it seems like you are trying to avoid the debate with insults. Insulting is just an effort to discredit an idea with out a real reason. Can you not debate these ideas? I very well could be wrong but I could be right. The same goes for you. Xev you and I are both equals here. I simply wish to better my understanding. Xev I want to here what you have to say.
Tell me and I will tear the idea apart to see if there was any merit to it. If you do not give me an idea than I cannot examine it.

If you give your opinion I will respect it, but I will not accept it with out reason.

Empty:
Do you have a bases for your opinion? If so you have not presented it to me yet.

My opinion that love is not the opposite of fear? I think I've shown that fairly well.

Please show me that you can support this.

You made the claim. Show that they don't.

They are good motivaters, some. Others are human emotions, and thus add spice to one's life.

I see you making a lot of claims and expecting me to disprove them, as if the burden of proof was on me. It's not. It's on the person making the claims.

You make a lot of statements about "the true path" and what a philosopher should do. Yet you show no evidence that this is anything but your opinion. You claim that the "darker" emotions serve no purpose, yet show no evidence.

You can't debate on a "I say, you say" level. Sorry, it's just not possible.

Too me it seems like you are trying to avoid the debate with insults. Insulting is just an effort to discredit an idea with out a really reason.

Let's stick to the intellectual issues and not get bogged down in chick stuff, okay?

Very well Xev;)
I think I've shown that fairly well.

I have not said that love is the opposite of fear. Claimed that acceptance is the opposite of fear. If you accept fear and being afraid you are know longer afraid because you accept it. Once you accept the situation there is nothing to be afraid of right?

You made the claim. Show that they don't.

I said acceptance not love.

You make a lot of statements about "the true path" and what a philosopher should do. Yet you show no evidence that this is anything but your opinion. You claim that the "darker" emotions serve no purpose, yet show no evidence.

Truth and illusion are opposites.
If you are a true philosopher you are searching for the truth.
So you have chossen your extreme.

Hate, anger, anxiety,fear, sadness, depression, cruelty, and hastiness
are the opposites of

They are just the opposites of Kindness, love, joy, fairness, openness, righteousness, courage, gentleness

In the above negative states your mind is closed off.

If you wallow in anxiety it will keep you from taking further steps.
If you wallow in fear you will become a coward and run from that what you fear.
If you wallow in hate it will consume you and you will never realize truth.
If you are too hasty you will miss the point.
If you are consumed by cruely you will be its slave.

Long story short all of these negative emotions represent a closed mind. These negative emotions by nature are controling. If you live in a "Cave" now will you know of the world out side it.

This is why I say that they have no use in philosophy. For if you dwell in them you will never walk your true path. You will only walk further in the opposite direction. You will remain a slave in the mind.

How is love any different from boredom? Just another feeling experienced/created by life.

If you are looking for a philosophy to life, fear is definately not the answer.

If you are looking for a philosophy to existance, fear very well may be the answer...

any emotion represents a biased mind.

Spookz,
Exactly...

Having a baiest mind would be a negative emotion. The positive flip side would be an open mind.

And thus you must be open to fear.

Oncve you accept fear you are know longer controled by it and it is defeated.

Exactly. You are no longer controlled by it, but it is still there. You still feel it, and accept that you feel it. This is the point Xev was making.

excellent.
now you see that emotions are irrelevant and represent a biased mind

;)

:D

No I say that negative emotions are the ones the develop a biaest mind. Having in open mind is a product of positve emotions.

But I would agree that they are irrelivant to the truth. I think they are only relative to geting there.

*sigh*
Do you not see that neither positive nor negative are neutral?

In the end yes. I would see them as being neutral. They are on the same spectrum so they would be equal but I am strictly speaking of function. Not assigning a value. Possitive and negative are simply repressentaions to convay an idea.

Positive and negative are to put a spin on an other-wise neutral object. Our reality is objective, thus to understand it we must be ojective. Granted, it is easier to be open minded through positive emotions, but the emotions will still hold you back. The goal is to JUST be open minded. Not only discard fear, but love as well. At least when in persuit of truth.

Is an electron neutral?

Positive emotions allow you to let go over everything even them.

Is an electron neutral
How does that have any relavance?
Positive emotions allow you to let go over everything even them
Wrong. Positive emotions are just as enslaving as negative ones. But no one has a problem with the positive ones so they don't get a bad rep.
--------------------
Positive emotion: "I had a great day, today was awesome!"
Truth: Today was a day

Positive emotion: "I love her, she is so incredible"
Truth: She exists

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Negative emotion: "I had a horrible day, today was terrible!"
Truth: Today was a day

Negative emotion: "I hate her, she is so horribe"
Truth: She exists
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Truth is the only common ground. Emotion, positive or negative, is to impose an opinion on it, which is biased. Wether the opinion be good or bad.

empty

muddle thru life and find out shit on your own
remember experience is the best teacher

:D

Wrong. Positive emotions are just as enslaving as negative ones. But no one has a problem with the positive ones so they don't get a bad rep.

Enslavement would be a negative emotion. It is not the positive that is enslaving you.

Truth is the only common ground. Emotion, positive or negative, is to impose an opinion on it, which is biased. Wether the opinion be good or bad.

Like I said before I am not deciding good or bad. I am stricktly commenting on function.

Enslavement would be a negative emotion. It is not the positive that is enslaving you
If I had a slave, a human slave, and I were to tell him to do fun things, at my whim... Would he still not be my slave? You are still a slave to emotion, even if it's positive.
Like I said before I am not deciding good or bad. I am stricktly commenting on function.
And to understand the truth is to understand the function. To understand the function there's no need to impose opinion on it.

If I had a slave, a human slave, and I were to tell him to do fun things, at my whim... Would he still not be my slave? You are still a slave to emotion, even if it's positive.

I am saying that the positive emotions have know attachments. Fun or Joy really are not that important. All I am saying is that if one is held down he is dwellign int he negative.

By function postive emotions allow you to go beyond emotion becasue you are know longer restrained by them. "Love will set you free"

and further analysis will bind you tighter than a virgins pussy

If you don't have something nice to say....

I am saying that the positive emotions have know attachments. Fun or Joy really are not that important. All I am saying is that if one is held down he is dwellign int he negative.
This is a common misconception. Negative is not favorable, therefore we gripe about the negative more often. But someone who is in search of the truth will gripe about the positive emotions just as much, for being an obstacle of truth, not praise them for being the truth themselves. To praise them is to be caught up in the experience, not the fact.
Love will set you free
If that were true hate would set you free too. They are the same thing manifested differently. Emotion.

This is a common misconception. Negative is not favorable, therefore we gripe about the negative more often. But someone who is in search of the truth will gripe about the positive emotions just as much, for being an obstacle of truth, not praise them for being the truth themselves. To praise them is to be caught up in the experience, not the fact.

Gripe is negative its self. Griping about the positive will only bring you further into the negative.

If that were true hate would set you free too. They are the same thing manifested differently. Emotion.

Locked and un-locked are opposites but there function is different.

Gripe is negative its self. Griping about the positive will only bring you further into the negative.
I was trying to put it in your terms. But to disregard positive and negative all together is the point I was making, not to dislike them (which would be negative)
Locked and un-locked are opposites but there function is different.
And to free yourself of the locking/unlocking function all together? To realize it was never locked or unlocked, it just WAS. VERY crude metaphor, but go with me here.

I was trying to put it in your terms. But to disregard positive and negative all together is the point I was making, not to dislike them (which would be negative)

Look at it like going slow and fast. You hit the speed of light and it know longer becomes relevant.
Ei: Realization of the truth.
Negative-Ilusion---------0-----------Positive-Reality

Reality leads to truth.

And to free yourself of the locking/unlocking function all together? To realize it was never locked or unlocked, it just WAS. VERY crude metaphor, but go with me here.

If you do not realize truth how do you know if it locked or not? Its state would depend on the truth right?

Look at it like going slow and fast. You hit the speed of light and it know longer becomes relevant.
I do not see how that is relavant in this thread what-so-ever.
Reality leads to truth
I think you mean truth leads to reality.
If you do not realize truth how do you know if it locked or not? Its state would depend on the truth right?
To realize the truth is to realize the one and only state.

To realize the truth is to realize the one and only state
Exactly!!!
Look at it like going slow and fast. You hit the speed of light and it know longer becomes relevant.
Put it in the terms of negative and positive emotion.

Exactly!!!
Then why are you arguing one opinion is the truth while the other is deception? Truth would be both and neither. Not just positive.

Put it in the terms of negative and positive emotion
True, but to stay absolutely still it also becomes irrelavant. So you can't depend on that at all...

Empty:
I have not said that love is the opposite of fear. Claimed that acceptance is the opposite of fear. If you accept fear and being afraid you are know longer afraid because you accept it. Once you accept the situation there is nothing to be afraid of right?

How boring to live without fear! To be without fear is to be without courage and valor!

Truth and illusion are opposites.

What is truth?

If you are a true philosopher you are searching for the truth.

Says who?
What is truth?
How do you know it exists?

So you have chossen your extreme. Hate, anger, anxiety,fear, sadness, depression, cruelty, and hastiness are the opposites of They are just the opposites of Kindness, love, joy, fairness, openness, righteousness, courage, gentleness

Why do you say this? Fear and joy can exist simultaneously.

In the above negative states your mind is closed off.

Who says they are negative? Can you prove this or is it just your personal value judgement?

If you wallow in fear you will become a coward and run from that what you fear.

Only if you allow your fear to conquer you. Courage is impossible without fear.

If you wallow in hate it will consume you and you will never realize truth.

How do you know? Are you wallowing in hate? Have you realized the truth?

If you are consumed by cruely you will be its slave.

Sounds almost like a good idea for an Andrew Blake flick. :)

Why can't you have these emotions without being consumed by them?

These negative emotions by nature are controling.

And the so-called "positive" emotions aren't?
Have you never seen a junkie?

This is why I say that they have no use in philosophy.

Only if you're weak enough to become their slave.

For if you dwell in them you will never walk your true path.

This assumes that such a thing as a "true path" exists. Can you show that it does?

Enslavement would be a negative emotion. It is not the positive that is enslaving you.

Only if you value freedom. Haven't you ever seen a junkie?

*Edit*

Food? Loser. You should live on coffee and alcohol like me! :D

Then why are you arguing one opinion is the truth while the other is deception? Truth would be both and neither. Not just positive.

I realize I am going of into enlightenment now and it is know longer the same debate because enlightenment requires a soul and energies. That is a whole other debate.

True, but to stay absolutely still it also becomes irrelavant. So you can't depend on that at all...

If it is still does it even exist any more? That is my point about the results of the +/-. Imagine light speed and no-movment. Going on to the whole other debate again.

Xev I'll get to your comments a little later I'm going to get food.

I have been reading my posts over (I probably should have done this in the first place). I am trying to remember why I was going on about if so much. I classifed emotions as negative and positive. What I think I was talking about was that as soon as a "positive" emotion ( Positive just being a classification to group them since all are equal) goes to its extreme it becomes negative. Mind you I should have discarded the positive negative thing from the begining I realize now how useless it is. Certain emotions promote states of openess and it is there nature, but when that emotion is not tameded and goes too far it will change in its nature(Ei:Love->Obsession). But then fear could work the same so I see what you guys are trying to tell me. Those I do think that fear is a emotion that is no longer needed, only because fear makes a wide opening for which ones emotions can slip through and assume control. I guess then just for me fear is much harded to control then love (I should have recignized that as personal and not universal). I appologies I let my ego assume control for a time. Though some how I feel I had another reson for acting as I did but it most likely is just ego. No, I think I just painted self realization on infinity. A very foolish ego driven mistake. I got caught up on the self realization and got lost in the passion of it.

How boring to live without fear! To be without fear is to be without courage and valor!
Good point I understand now.
What is truth?
Supreme reality, Ultimate meaning
Says who?
Well if you aren't searching for the truth in philosophy what are you doing?
How do you know it exists?
No reality can exist if there is absolute nothingness even then that would be truth.

Why do you say this? Fear and joy can exist simultaneously.
Yeah your right. Who is to say emotions are oposites. Grantedi see you point.
Who says they are negative? Can you prove this or is it just your personal value judgement?
I just grouped them as negative to identify them still I now think it was silly.
Only if you allow your fear to conquer you. Courage is impossible without fear. That is what I ment by conquering fear. Nulifing it with an opposite force. Ei: Fear beign nulified my acceptance so courage has room to emerge.

How do you know? Are you wallowing in hate? Have you realized the truth? No and i really cannnot know for sure. But I really don't know how some one could realize truth if they never leave there own created reality.
And the so-called "positive" emotions aren't? Have you never seen a junkie?
If I was to classify I would say that addiction would be a negative emotion.
Only if you're weak enough to become their slave. In normal life say they have great use...we are all still humans....accept Xev.(j/k) But the truth is objective so perhaps it is best to be objective when in the search for the truth?
This assumes that such a thing as a "true path" exists. Can you show that it does? True path being living in absolute reality because then you are genuinely living the truth. Ei: true path
You should live on coffee and alcohol like me!
Well then we'll compare livers in a couple of year.:p

We'll end of story I had a self realization painted it on the world. Went on an ego trip and acted very stubborn like. But hey I ma not perfect and such is the nature of humanity. My pie tastes like shit.

fear leads to anger.. anger leads to hate..

love is most popularly known as the opposite of hate, so therefore love is the opposite of fear. BUT WAIT there's more..

hate leads to the dark side! Oh so the "light side" or whatever side of the force is the opposite of fear!


It doesnt really work like that folks. Everyone has been slowly getting to it. It's like a spectrum of colors as someone mentioned before. Blue isnt the opposite of red, green isnt the opposite of orange. They mingle together to form other colors.

Now the only true opposite would be black and white. But of course black is only the absense of white. So as someone said before fearless is the opposite (absesne) of fear. That's if you think in terms of absolutes.

But of course we dont want to accept fearless as the answer. Because fear is viewed as bad, and we dont want that. We want something that has been viewed as good. Say courage, but that's too out of date, courage always used to be the opposite of fear, we need something new and unique. Something intelligent, so we say knowledge, or something emotional, so we say love.

All these things arent the opposite of fear. They're all like colors, and different extremes, love is blue, hate is red, and the make purple. We accept purple because it's not on the "bad" side of the color scheem. Some might say it's the most pleasant because it comes from love. But orange (fear) and blue (love) made a different color that people like.

What i'm trying to say through all the metaphores is that emotions dont cancel each other out, they're just a bunch of chemicals in our brains and souls for some people.

For the most part people have been arguing about opposites when they combine emotions and symantics of words. Just doesnt work.

You can probably find the opposite by arguing symantics and the definitions of words, but that was done easily by someone earlier. Who found it to be security or something.

Remember, we arent just all words. Things go far beyond that.

(sorry for the long rant for those of you who have been staring at a computer screen all day long)

Courage is the ability to do what is right even in the face of tremendous adversity. Fear is abondoning your responsibilities and giving in to what is wrong.

Didn't Xev already answer this one correctly? It's security. You see, on this hand, there is fear... now, on the other, opposite hand, security. That's the right answer.

Yes, I'm really really holding that it's the correct answer in the context that "yes, I believe that the question is more than speculative, in fact, there is a correct answer". The answer is security.

All hail Xev. (at least for kicking this heah question right heah in da nutz)

It's security. You see, on this hand, there is fear... now, on the other, opposite hand, security. That's the right answer.
Can some one be afraid of losing their security?
Or do you mean the awnser in itself is security?

After I finished debating (I use that word losely) with Xev. I tried to destroy fear,hatred, and anger so to destroy an old part of me. The one that was consumed by them and lived for nothing more. But destroying fear is like destroying black or white. I think the goal is to maintain a calm emotional objectivity. If there is such a thing.

Can some one be afraid of losing their security?
Of course. That's why everyone strives to be like everyone else. That's why the "peer's" opinion is SO important. You do what others do to feel secure and accepted. You lose yourself to be like this world, to feel secure. That's pure fear. Security is fear's friend. That's why security is not the opposite of fear.

After I finished debating (I use that word losely) with Xev. I tried to destroy fear,hatred, and anger so to destroy an old part of me. The one that was consumed by them and lived for nothing more. But destroying fear is like destroying black or white. I think the goal is to maintain a calm emotional objectivity. If there is such a thing.
Love overcome fear as it brings Truth and peace to your heart...
A little hard to explain... :o

Empty,

Reality leads to truth.
Not necessarily. It totally depends on your concept of reality. It seems for me that reality is limited and Truth is unlimited. YOu cannot reach something unlimited through something limited, you have to overcome the limits. By overcoming reality one might get to the Truth. I guess that's more accurate...

It totally depends on your concept of reality. It seems for me that reality is limited and Truth is unlimited. YOu cannot reach something unlimited through something limited, you have to overcome the limits. By overcoming reality one might get to the Truth. I guess that's more accurate...
They are both limited. Reality is limited, and truth is limited by reality. Once it leaves the realm of reality, it is no longer the truth...

Originally posted by Empty Dragon
Can some one be afraid of losing their security?
Or do you mean the awnser in itself is security?

I mean the opposite of fear is security. Interesting point though, since you can be afraid of losing your security, does that mean it's not the opposite? I don't think so actually, but it makes me think.
Originally posted by Empty Dragon

After I finished debating (I use that word losely) with Xev. I tried to destroy fear,hatred, and anger so to destroy an old part of me. The one that was consumed by them and lived for nothing more. But destroying fear is like destroying black or white. I think the goal is to maintain a calm emotional objectivity. If there is such a thing.

I personally loved a quote from Hugh Downs regarding calm emotional objectivity. He called it: "An even-handed acceptance of the rythm of the moment."

Just thought that was phrased quite nicely.

Love overcome fear as it brings Truth and peace to your heart... A little hard to explain...

That was my original point but some how I failed to express. It almost seems like it will not hold up to rational scrutiny. I cannot express why, but I understand why. How is that different from faith from any other perspective.

Its kinda like "An even-handed acceptance of the rythm of the moment."

They are almost imposible to rationalize. These things seem to be beyond a literal understanding.

An even-handed acceptance of the rythm of the moment
If I hear you saw this one more time.... :eek:

notme2000,
They are both limited. Reality is limited, and truth is limited by reality. Once it leaves the realm of reality, it is no longer the truth...
But how I see reality is... the way we see the Truth. There is only one Truth behind all that we know. But each one of us sees it in a different way, which is the reality we experience and perceive. Truth goes beyond that. Truth is a reality that is true to everyone, a reality that everyone is subjected to. In this instance, the only thing we can be sure that it is true, is that we are alive... :eek:

Empty,

That was my original point but some how I failed to express. It almost seems like it will not hold up to rational scrutiny. I cannot express why, but I understand why. How is that different from faith from any other perspective.
Yeah... I know what you are saying...
Was the last sentence a question?:confused:

Would you consider a character in a dream alive?

No. But I wonder what do you mean by that...

He might believe he is alive. So how can we be sure we are alive? I can be sure that I am conscious and that is about it.

But how I see reality is... the way we see the Truth. There is only one Truth behind all that we know. But each one of us sees it in a different way, which is the reality we experience and perceive. Truth goes beyond that. Truth is a reality that is true to everyone, a reality that everyone is subjected to. In this instance, the only thing we can be sure that it is true, is that we are alive...
Are we gettin in to Descartes? Lol, I agree though. But to completely see the truth we'd have to leave opinion out of the matter, but this is probably impossible to us opinionated humans... So we agree there is one objective truth, and our perception of it is subjective. So the question would be wether God is the truth and science is the subjective perception, or if science is the truth and God is the subjective perception...

He might believe he is alive. So how can we be sure we are alive? I can be sure that I am conscious and that is about it. He'd have to be alive to question it... Back to Descartes AGAIN!

Empty,

He might believe he is alive. So how can we be sure we are alive? I can be sure that I am conscious and that is about it.
Ok... we can be sure we are conscious... :D:D:D
(And maybe that's how we define life... :bugeye: :eek: )

Conscious mabye but alive?

Life:
The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism

Does it fit the bill?

notme2000,

Are we gettin in to Descartes? Lol, I agree though. But to completely see the truth we'd have to leave opinion out of the matter, but this is probably impossible to us opinionated humans... So we agree there is one objective truth, and our perception of it is subjective. So the question would be wether God is the truth and science is the subjective perception, or if science is the truth and God is the subjective perception...
That's the human struggle...:D:D:D
We must be very impartial about it...
I believe that that's what "religion" tries to do, it tries to transcend subjective perception. Cause religion talks about "knowing with heart". Since our minds have opinion, our hearts is the option left. Do you think that the mind can ever not have its own opinion??:confused:

If you truely understand something you know it bones to balls. Ei: In your heart
If you don't feel it you won't truly apply it or understand it. So what use is rationisation?
But the heart can be just as clouded as the mind, so both can lie.

Empty,

Conscious mabye but alive?

Life:
The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism

Does it fit the bill?
That's our current definition, but it is limited by our own knowledge and perspective. Maybe life is more than that. I believe life is more like a substance. I believe that we ARE life, instead of we HAVE life. It is like... if I lose a finger or a leg, I'm still myself. Nothing really changes besides my body. In this sense, life is not dependent on the body, but rather the body is dependent on life (cause it's our life that makes the body alive). In this sense, it is easy to see that we are actually life itself instead of a body. It is like water in a jar, thinking that "she" is THE jar, while "she" is just limited by the jar...
(Life in my language is "she" and water is also "she", ans since they have feminin qualities, I use "she" to emphasize it... ;))

Empty,

you truely understand something you know it bones to balls. Ei: In your heart
If you don't feel it you won't truly apply it or understand it. So What use is that rationisation?
But the heart can be just as clouded as the mind, so both can lie.
It is not the heart that lie, but rather our perception of it... The Bible states that the Truth resides in the heart, so it must not lie. However, if we try to perceive our heart in the light of our minds, it may trick us (but that is our mind tricking us with its perceptions again)...

That's the challenge... to drink pure water... ;)
(if you don't understand my last sentence, I understand why...:eek: )

It is possible that a clouded mind and heart would obscure us to the truth. Like Wes said earlier "An even-handed acceptance of the rythm of the moment." A calm still feeling state of complete objcetive acceptance.

Do you think that the mind can ever not have its own opinion??
I think the heart is the part that has opinions. The mind simply calculates equations... Objective and impartial...
However, if we try to perceive our heart in the light of our minds, it may trick us (but that is our mind tricking us with its perceptions again)...
Hmmm, never thought of that... But in the flip side, perhaps if we try to percieve our mind with our hearts it may trick us (but that is our heart tricking us with it's perceptions again). Once again we are left wondering which is the truth and which is perception, if either. We have stumbled in to epistemology (the nature of knowledge) is it gained through heart or mind?

It is possible that a clouded mind and heart would obscure us to the truth. Like Wes said earlier "An even-handed acceptance of the rythm of the moment." A calm still feeling state.
You are taking all the meaning out of that saying by shamelessly repeating it over and over and over and over..... Say the word "fork" repeatedly and see if it still means anything after 1000 times...

If you say fork a million times it will still mean fork. But I do understand what you mean.
I would like to keep that mystic feeling around the quote for you. I just find it too usefull.;)j/k

Mabye our hearts and minds should work together in harmony.

Empty,

It is possible that a clouded mind and heart would obscure us to the truth. Like Wes said earlier "An even-handed acceptance of the rythm of the moment." A calm still feeling state of complete objcetive acceptance.
What I'm trying to say is that the mind IS the cloud that hides the Truth, which is in the heart. Is is the mind that clouds it, as the mind has opinions, perspectives, definitions, past experiences and it is NEVER impartial. The heart just IS. It's much simpler then the mind.

Mabye our hearts and minds should work together in harmony.
That's the point. Your mind is where your conscious is, so if you want to be conscious about something you have to use your mind. At the same time, your mind is always clouded by all that I said above, so to find out your heart you MUST first clear your mind and let the heart appear below all this mess. When you use them in harmony, you find Truth. That's our challenge.

notme2000,

I think the heart is the part that has opinions. The mind simply calculates equations... Objective and impartial...
It is exactly the opposite. Your mind is where your emotions and "equations" are. This all comes from your brain. The soul is composed by mind, will and emotions. The soul is basically what is in the brain. The heart transcend those things. The heart is the exact point where we have no mind, will or emotions, a point where we are more detached from ourselves and more connected and aware of God. That's basically what the Bible says.

Hmmm, never thought of that... But in the flip side, perhaps if we try to percieve our mind with our hearts it may trick us (but that is our heart tricking us with it's perceptions again). Once again we are left wondering which is the truth and which is perception, if either. We have stumbled in to epistemology (the nature of knowledge) is it gained through heart or mind?
Our hearts simply is. Our hearts don't evolve, they are already evolved, they already know the Truth. Knowledge comes from our minds. It evolves. That's how the mind works. The Truth comes from the heart. It doesn't evolve, it just is. It has no connection with us, it is true to everybody.

How did you come too this realization?

Truthseeker,
if we are to continue our debate please at least concider my posts, I have been pretty open minded with you. I have supposed there was a soul, god, "heart", etc, and I don't really believe in any of them. Please give me the same courtesy. :)

Empty Dragon,
How did you come too this realization?
Of what, specifically?


notme2000,
if we are to continue our debate please at least concider my posts, I have been pretty open minded with you. I have supposed there was a soul, god, "heart", etc, and I don't really believe in any of them. Please give me the same courtesy.
I do concider your posts. In fact, I'm trying to tell you exactly what those things really mean. As you are not used with them, you might have different concepts about those things, other than the Bible's. For example, the soul is simply everything that is in the brain. But here, we are talking in a much mental perspective rather than physical perspective (as what is in the brain , instead of talking about the brain being the brain). What I'm concerned is with your definitions... :)

... dangerous carelessness.

examples:

People who drive a car with excessive speed in the dark or on ice and snow.


People who display a bag with 25000 USD on the rear seat of their car.

Originally posted by jandt
Don't worry, I am going somewhere with this, but first I would like to hear what some define as fears equal and opposite.

If i had to say something as being the opposite of fear, then i would say love.

For example, the soul is simply everything that is in the brain.
I agree the soul is in the brain, but a concept OF the brain, not the nature of the brain....

notme2000,

What is IN the brain? Your thoughs (mind), your will and your emotions? Do you agree with that? If so, then look at this:

brain= mind, will and emotions
soul= mind, will and emotions
brain=soul

Do you get...? If you don't agree, why?

I get it. Consciousness, the "I". I understand, and definately find consciousness one of the great mysteries of our existance. But I don't see a need to quickly explain it away with a "soul". You base it on nothing but a book and other people who share your belief, but have no real reason that can hold up outside of your own belief. Don't get me wrong, you may be right, but that's not good enough for me. I'm more content in not knowing than guessing.

notme2000,
I get it. Consciousness, the "I". I understand, and definately find consciousness one of the great mysteries of our existance. But I don't see a need to quickly explain it away with a "soul". You base it on nothing but a book and other people who share your belief, but have no real reason that can hold up outside of your own belief. Don't get me wrong, you may be right, but that's not good enough for me. I'm more content in not knowing than guessing.
So you don't believe me just because I use a different word? What about if I use "cerebro" instead of "brain"? ("cerebro" is "brain" in Portugues, if you are wondering...). I don't understand why if I change my language, you change the idea that you have from it...:confused:

No, it's a different idea. The soul is supposed to be eternal and can trancend this body, and maybe reality. Now this may be, but we don't know for sure. So I call it consciousness, cause all that is, is the reult of neurons in the brain, etc... It dies with the brain, and is much more influenced than the "pure soul" idea. I'm simply saying I'm not going to believe in an infinite "I" that lives on after my body, is unaffected by reality, is a gift from God, etc... While that may be the truth, I have no evidence stating so... You know you're "right" because you feel it deep down in your "heart". And I'm saying feeling isn't good enough for me. The heart you speak of is a part of the brain too... And it can be just as deceptive as any other part of the brain.

No, the heart that I speak of has nothing to do with the brain.
My idea (resumed, of course...:eek: ) is that we are life itself, we have a personal consciousness which defines ourselves and differes us from others, and that both continue to exist together even after death. However, I don't believe that death is a sunstance. It works kinda on this way: You are life, and you get out of your body (what we call death), so, your consious get out of your body too. Yeah... it's about that...

I understand your concept and don't entirely dismiss it, I'm just coveying the difference between your version of conscioussness and heart from mine.

and I'm doing the same... :)

I understand your concept and don't entirely dismiss it

Notme if I had a nickel for every time you've said that... :D

TruthSeeker what brought you to believe in a soul or anything beyond for that matter? Experience or faith?

Notme if I had a nickel for every time you've said that...
I learn something every time I say that. Who is richer? :D

What makes you think emotions are polar values? Morality?

Hmm... I was thinking they're not neccessarily polar... maybe there's like three poles in something like emotion. Maybe it depends. It's likely just a labelling game anyway. Our emotions are somewhat defined by the words we use to describe them, thereby setting up whatever kind of relationships exist? I'm rambling again. I'll stop.

Good point Prozak,
Really, what difference is there between love and boredom? They are both just feelings experienced by us...

Everything that we experience are simply what they are. When we judge them, we give them a positive or negative value. What actually happens is that we say that whatever hurt us is "negative" and whatever pleases us is "positive". Everything else (whatelse???) is "neutral". This is basically because of our instinct for survival and our fear of being hurt, which came from the world we were born in.

Besides, that's how the mind works. It can just work by comparisons...

Fear is consern for ones own interests due to an emminent threat There for disinterest for ones own personal interests is the opposite of fear it is definatly not love for you can experience fear for the loss of one you love there for they can exist at the same time so can not be opposites

The opposite of fear is absolute indifference

The way to conquer fear ,is through positive, emotional intellectual,spritual and metaphysical thought patterns,love,truth,reality and reason..
IXL:m:

Love is far above this subject-object relationships...

Truthseeker. I don't know if your beliefs are right or not, though I have my opinions. But I suspect they have done wonders for your life, and it's nice to see that. :) I dunno, just thought I'd mention it.

They do work notme... :)

Mine work for me as well. I could get in to a whole other debate on that subject alone, but instead, let's just agree how nice it is to be happy with yourself and your place.:)

I'd prefer to berate the weak, but if you insist. :)

Hmmm, let's count the :) s on this page...

5... :)
Well... now six... :)
Oh damn... now seven... :)
Wait! Now eight... :)
Heeeeeeelp!!! :D
Haha... I didn't got nine... :)
Oh no!! :eek::o:p:D

I think that courage, instead of being an absence of fear, is blind fear. If you are courageous, then you are just as scared, but you want to know what makes you scared. Just to be cliche.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. ~~~~ Bene Gesserit rite

If Fear is a Destructive feeling The oposite of it is Necessarily C-O-N-F-I-D-E-N-CE

Guillermos toughts

Courage....destroys fear

I see from my last post in this page why Dave decided to ban the use of more than three emoticons.... :p

Well, the opposite of fear is love, but rather, a self-love to begin with....
And self-love implies confidence, which was described by our fellow Guillermo there...

Welcome Guillermo :)

The opposite of fear? Safety of course.

Safety is not a feeling.....

Um.....not-being-afraidedness? :confused:

nothing is equal to or opposite fear.

M.. Second Taught.

First What is Fear.

Fear is after alittle : Fear The Fealing (The Brain and physical sensation) AND Fear The Phobia (A tought A reflection often consequence of a feeling, a lie to itself) .

Fear the feeling and fear the Tought.

So I would say contrary of fear the Feeling would be ''Confidence'' You cannot fear and be confidentat the same time when you pass in front of a dog for exemple .
Confidence is a Constructive feeling and his contrary is fear a destructive feeling in front of a situation.

And For The Fear :The phobia , Truth is his opposite since its a lie to itself wich take us far from truth and make us live in a total lie and obscutity ,in abelief of A BIG FUCKING ASSHOLE LIE.

I think I t makes a lot of sense of releasing sense. My father say that fear is like a horse we all have inside and we have to train him and control him so we can use him in our self, if not the horse take control of yourself and start running all around.