View Full Version : What do you see when you meditate?


seekeroftheway
02-20-06, 12:21 AM
Does the "spirit's eye" see within oneself, or do they see without? Is there an astral plane of some sort?

draqon
02-20-06, 12:51 AM
When I miditate I usually see myself from above and sides...and usually feel very powerful when I meditate...so powerful that I can be sure that if I gave it a chance I could destroy everything around me...yet in meditation pureness of the spirit is the most important thing...thus I keep that strength within me...I then imagine myself floating half a meter above a body of water and moving very fast above it. I then imagine fire in my hands, fire that does not hurt me...I then imagine myself dancing with this fire in my hands...In fact I leave my meditation pose and begin dancing usually in a trance...I feel meditation during this phase....I usually try to leave as much power as I can by making fast moves as though I would be fighting an opponent that can fly. This trance/meditation state continues until I have no more power left and until my throat calls for water.

EmptyForceOfChi
02-20-06, 05:34 AM
i see whatever i choose to (usually), i meditate for a certain reason, (not always the same reason) its always to calm myself before something, or before i start training i will center myself. someimes i meditate to find answers about myself from within my own mind, i see many things it all depends on what type of meditation i am doing at the time. sometimes i see nothing (on purpose). it is just white or black depending on the meditation. i usualy meditate and picture loads of warriors to challenge me, and they all have super powers like on dragonball z, and i just have to fight them all, (i believe if you win battles inside your own head it makes you mentally stronger),


peace.

seekeroftheway
02-20-06, 09:54 AM
Not what you imagine, what you see. You can imagine anything while meditating. But when you empty your mind of thought, where do you go? If anyone has read xerxes' "Five Tibetans" thing that the posted, it speaks of the Lama's and how they affect the planet in a very small way every time they perform a rite, and when they meditate they see the world through the "astral plane". Any thoughts on that?

nameless
02-21-06, 02:34 AM
Does the "spirit's eye" see within oneself, or do they see without? Is there an astral plane of some sort?
The 'eye' of consciousness 'sees' that there is no 'outside' or 'inside'; no one to do the 'seeing' or thing to be 'seen'.
Meditation enables the experience of Oneness.

Mosheh Thezion
02-21-06, 02:48 AM
IF YOUR DOING IT RIGHT.... falling... shaking.. spinning.. swirlings.. and eventually splitting.... and supposivley then .. flying..
-MT

seekeroftheway
02-21-06, 08:32 AM
Ah but perhaps it's a unique experience for every different person?

Avatar
02-21-06, 08:44 AM
Meditating is like dreaming for me. I visit worlds, different planets, different creatures,
and I don't force myself to imagine, just let go my mind and let my unconsciousness take over.
99% it's the product of my (un)consciousness, but it is the subjective reality for me then, so there is no difference.
No difference whether I really walked on that moon above an unknown planet or not, becase to my mind I did - I now have the memory of it, the memory of feelings I then had, memory of the experience.

EmptyForceOfChi
02-21-06, 10:26 AM
dao seeker.

im going to give you some scripts/doctrines to read, but i caution you dont take the buddhist teachings exactly as they are percieved to be, what they speeak in most senses is true, but to read the higher doctrines you are supposed to be in the physical company of a spiritual master/teacher of some kind, things can be translated wrong, things can be taken out of true concept, the early buddhists took many previous teachings and claimed it to be there own teachings, wich is false,


i do not speak of such things here, because of certain reasons, but i will this once, but you must after reading these doctrines, you shouldent really be reading them to begin with at such an early age, but if you think you are ready for the astral planes and other dimensions of meditation, then seek the doctrines and info im about to list. im not going to link you directly to anything myself, but you can if you want to, but i warned you remember that,


samsara
bardo
togal
bardo thodol (tibetan book of the dead)
phowa
rigpa, dhamakaya
sambogakaya
dzogchen/dzokchen
dharma
vipassana
mahayana
sunyata
pretas


you and others of your level might need this infomation, others like myself are not going through bardo, we have anouther more simple fate.

oh and C702 you can reach non existance if you realized what you already know,

peace.

nameless
02-21-06, 03:29 PM
Ah but perhaps it's a unique experience for every different person?
As long as ego maintains the belief/delusion that you are 'unique' and 'seperate' from all else, yes, the 'illusion of uniqueness' will be maintained. Ultimately, the 'fruits' of true and traditional meditation seem to exhibit a consistant commonality; the experience of Oneness (enlightenment), as reported by all those who have, throughout history, reached that 'level' . It is not an intellectual understanding, although that can come first, but you BECOME that Oneness... Your 'uniqueness' is subsumed...

ElaMiNaTo
02-21-06, 05:17 PM
When I meditate then there is just seeing of whatever may appear. The question is: Who is the observer ? Who observes all the objects ? The feelings the thoughts ? Who is it ? Who is watching ?

nameless
02-21-06, 05:25 PM
The 'answer' to "who", lies in the meditation, beyond the 'seeing of whatever may appear'...

seekeroftheway
02-21-06, 07:26 PM
Exactly, because everything you may see is a total illusion. If you are seeing it, it is technically "material" and therefor not really real.

nameless
02-22-06, 12:53 AM
'Existence' is inversely proportional to 'Reality'.

seekeroftheway
02-22-06, 08:26 AM
Whatever reality might be.

nameless
02-22-06, 01:02 PM
'Truth/Reality'... I like the vedic scriptural definition; "Reality must rigidly adhere to that which is in an unchanging state of universal permanence." -Vedanta
vs
the temporal and contingent and contextual...
You 'know' Truth as you become Truth.
Inversely proportional to being who you think that you are (existence), who you see in the mirror (contextual).

Gustav
02-23-06, 12:32 PM
a momentary glimpse of relatively undifferentiated awareness aka ______ am aware of nothing in particular

the rest of the time i fight off yawns and evil spirits

Mosheh Thezion
02-24-06, 12:41 AM
THERE are many ways to meditate... but only one logical method to achieve astral projection.
-MT

EmptyForceOfChi
02-24-06, 08:36 AM
too much meditationcan be bad for one,

remember that, dont abuse meditation use it wisely, experiencing life is much more rewarding if you are seeking, but dont get me wrong, i meditate quite often, but for no longer than 1 hour per day now,


it can have negative effects, dont stray to far into the other realms of existance inside your own mind, or you might get lost int here and lose touch of the reality outside, (yes i realise a buddhist comeback for that would be, but the mind is all that you see around you so when you realise this you will finally stop the cycle of reincarnation and suffering and become free and non existant.) but i stand with what i said, too much meditation can make one lose grip of reality, or lose grip of the "illusion" in buddhist sense.


peace.

spidergoat
02-24-06, 06:41 PM
If you do it right, you shouldn't see anything, shouldn't recognize objects, only percieve vague shapes, colors, forms, smells, sounds...

nameless
02-24-06, 08:18 PM
Two young monks were walking along the shore of a lake, past a small island. Listening on the breeze, they heard a familiar mantra, but it was being intoned improperly. The monks got into a boat, rowed to the island, approached the aesthete and instructed him in the proper intonation of the mantra. The aesthete thanked them generously and the monks departed in the boat. Shortly, they heard a .. pat.. pish.. pat.. Turning around, they saw the aesthete approaching the boat, running on the surface of the water. Stopping a few feet from the boat, standing on the surface of the lake, the old fellow asked, "Can you please instruct me in the 'right' way to perform the mantra? Please? I forgot what you said."

EmptyForceOfChi
02-26-06, 10:47 AM
there isnt really a "proper2 way to meditate spidergoat. because there are so may ways to do it, and so man reasons for each one, the meditation your speaking of is just centering and calming method, if you let your mind wander while meditating, only focusing on the unfocused, then you will see many things, wich evolve into other things, with distinct shape,


peace.

spidergoat
02-27-06, 11:38 AM
I didn't mean to sound dogmatic, only that I think a part of meditation is disassociation with symbolic thought.

EmptyForceOfChi
03-06-06, 07:53 PM
in a way yeah your right,


peace.

river-wind
03-10-06, 11:32 AM
I see a blue flash of light, myself.

BLASTOFF
03-15-06, 02:41 PM
who of you class meditation a martial art form/ i meditate and see a lot but can not some times make out what i see, i meditate just before i train,has anone tried to meditate in a floatation tank? if you get a chance try it you will be pleased.

Avatar
03-15-06, 03:20 PM
Personally I agree with the idea that each moment has to be a meditation, not just some selected time in a controlled environment, a clear mind at all times.
And what should we see - the objective reality, both the objective reality of this universe and of our consciousness (collective and private), and if/as possible - the consciousness of others.
With the goal to know and understand what we are seeing, not just with the goal to see and be satisfied with the effect (calming, refreshing or other) of what we are seeing.
If that is understood, then we wouldn't need to do the meditation process (procedures like a posture, mantras, or other) in order to find and open the door.
Meditation is just a psychological discipline to activate something in our brain (call it to be in touch with the self, be on the pollen path, experience nirvanic bliss or whatever), to activate some processes of the consciousness that our brain is capable of.
p.s. I work towards hacking that activation process (and not only through meditation). :)

seekeroftheway
03-16-06, 05:01 PM
I incorporate meditation into Martial Arts training, I wouldn't consider it a martial art form itself, but I would consider it a nice addition to martial arts or part of one. The correspondence between combined meditation(often in the form of Qigong) and martial training is extremely interesting...

Rajagopals
03-29-06, 02:54 PM
I saw light and then I started seeing grey matter :)

Bowser
03-29-06, 07:02 PM
Does the "spirit's eye" see within oneself, or do they see without? Is there an astral plane of some sort?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane

There are other realms of experience--be they dreams or other states of consciousness. Also the base of all things that are is not.

ellion
03-30-06, 09:55 AM
Does the "spirit's eye" see within oneself, or do they see without? Is there an astral plane of some sort?THE SPIRITS EYE SEES WITHIN AND WITHOUT DEPENDS WHERE YOU TURN YOUR ATTENTION IN ACCORD WITH YOUR INTENTION.

HelpMeMeditate
05-16-09, 05:40 AM
Help me figure it out!!! i dont know what im doing wrong or not doing..every time i try meditating i just dont see nothing but blackness from the inside of my eyelids.i have heard tons of things about it and from the sounds i should be able to do more then sit whith my eyes shut..

HelpMeMeditate
05-16-09, 05:43 AM
hey how do i meditate right i dont understand how every1 can see as much as they can i just end up sitting there and seeing the inside of my eyelids is there something im not doing right or not doing at all?

HelpMeMeditate
05-16-09, 06:36 AM
ok so i tried what i was told to try by some1 and i worked a lot better i had all the lights off and i was able to vision myself a few shapes and colors while i was meditating i move my hand to get a drink from my water bottle and i saw the shape of my hand crossing my face (it was almost like my eyes were open) but my vision was still tremendously blurd..is there a way to do your normal exercises like for instance push ups and crunches while meditating while exhausting all your bodies pains and stress that it causes?(NOT yoga)i tried doing one of them and i still felt the exact same while doing push ups but with my eyes closed i was able to see the carpet coming up and down as i proceeded... please post a comment back to help me cause im far from getting as far as i can go...thanks

cosmictraveler
05-16-09, 06:54 AM
All distractions are removed, all noises are quieted, all things are at peace, I am in a state of Nirvana .

visceral_instinct
05-16-09, 01:47 PM
Little neon lights behind my eyelids.

I can meditate for about 3 second before I get bored.

swarm
05-17-09, 01:12 AM
Help me figure it out!!! i dont know what im doing wrong

There isn't a wrong.


..every time i try meditating i just dont see nothing but blackness from the inside of my eyelids.

Then that's what you are seeing. Focus back on the meditation.


i have heard tons of things about it and from the sounds i should be able to do more then sit whith my eyes shut..

Sure, you can just sit with your eyes half open or full open. Meditation isn't a light show or a visualization session. It just sitting and focusing on the meditation.

swarm
05-17-09, 01:13 AM
Little neon lights behind my eyelids.

I can meditate for about 3 second before I get bored.

Great. Being bored is a good distraction to over come. Just refocus on the meditaion.

Diode-Man
05-17-09, 04:14 PM
If you do it right, you shouldn't see anything, shouldn't recognize objects, only percieve vague shapes, colors, forms, smells, sounds...

When I meditate, the hardest thing to do is to comprehend nothing. It is easy to let the mind drift, but for how long can you focus on nothing without falling asleep?

When I was a child I could do that a little easier, but now, with all this new information I've gathered since then.... there's quite a bit more to think about. :-)

swarm
05-17-09, 08:33 PM
Comprehending is an intellectual endeavor that kicks you back into thinking. Also "nothing" is a metaphor. Technically its "all compounded things are without inherent being and impermanent" but that's a mouthful so people use "empty," "void" and "nothing." But its easy to start taking these too literally and slip into nihilism, which isn't the point being made.

This is why people traditionally focus on breathing and "listening for" or looking "softly" at something like a stone. These are more easily grasped so you don't get caught up in considering the nature of what you are trying to do instead of doing it.

Of course there isn't any particular "how long." Just do it for as long as you do and then repeat as soon as you notice you drifted off base. Succeeding isn't the point. Its noticing that you drifted and refocusing.

If you fall asleep change your practice time to when you are less tired and make your sitting position less comfortable.

EndLightEnd
05-18-09, 11:35 AM
Of course there isn't any particular "how long." Just do it for as long as you do and then repeat as soon as you notice you drifted off base. Succeeding isn't the point. Its noticing that you drifted and refocusing.

Yep. This is where a personal mantra can be helpful. Everytime I catch myself spiraling down a thought stream I repeat "empty". Over time association will help you get into a meditative mode much more quickly.



If you fall asleep change your practice time to when you are less tired and make your sitting position less comfortable.

Also meditate as early in the day as possible; you want to be fresh. Plus you will benefit from its immediate calming effects the rest of the day.:)

swarm
05-18-09, 05:28 PM
Yep. This is where a personal mantra can be helpful. Everytime I catch myself spiraling down a thought stream I repeat "empty". Over time association will help you get into a meditative mode much more quickly.

I think I would class that more a key word or "anchor" since it isn't being repeated or chanted, but yes many people employ operant conditioning to help in this way. If a word is too distracting you can use about any action. A nice one is a slight smile. The key of course is in repetition.


Also meditate as early in the day as possible; you want to be fresh. Plus you will benefit from its immediate calming effects the rest of the day.:)

This is a personal preference thing. Early in the morning and I just go straight back to sleep. :) I've had good luck at lunch and after coming home from work.

But sleep is not always an enemy. A more advanced technique is to see if you can hold the meditative state straight through into a sort of lucid dream state and then back out. Can't say that I'm adept at that myself but it seems like it could be interesting.

cosmictraveler
05-18-09, 07:28 PM
Large , undulating, womens breasts!;)

swarm
05-19-09, 01:43 AM
Large , undulating, womens breasts!;)

Yes, we have a set of those handy too, what about them?

cosmictraveler
05-19-09, 04:18 AM
Yes, we have a set of those handy too, what about them?

It is what I see sometimes, that's all. Would you like to show us yours? :shrug:

Diode-Man
05-19-09, 10:56 AM
My point is that if you can focus your brain strongly enough upon no thoughts or feelings or even sensory perceptions, you will strengthen your ability to focus on anything you choose.

-ND-
05-19-09, 09:59 PM
The point is to think about everything and nothing. To see everything and nothing. To feel everything and nothing. To be everything and nothing. If you are wondering why I used "everything" and "nothing" it is because they balance each other out. Balance is key to life. I do not meditate because I don't have to. I' m always in a clear concious state of mind. In this state of mind there is no judgement, only what it is/was/will be. In a way it is like cheating the universe. You play by the rules of truth and the laws of the universe do not apply to you. This does not mean you can do what you want and have no consequences. You kill someone you go to jail. I'm talking about a different type of laws. Anyone following this?

Diode-Man
05-21-09, 02:38 PM
You play by the rules of truth and the laws of the universe do not apply to you.

If I were still in a state of toxic delirium induced by black mold I'd know exactly what you were talking about....

leopold
05-21-09, 04:46 PM
Is there an astral plane of some sort?
yes.
locally its referred to as the celestial equator.

spidergoat
05-21-09, 04:49 PM
Does the "spirit's eye" see within oneself, or do they see without? Is there an astral plane of some sort?

No, there is nothing of that sort. When I meditate, I see whatever is in front of me. I don't focus on nothing, nor do I focus on a specific thing apart from breathing.

-ND-
05-21-09, 08:22 PM
anyone unlock their third eye yet?

swarm
05-21-09, 08:34 PM
It is what I see sometimes, that's all. Would you like to show us yours? :shrug:

You have to ask the keeper of the breasts that question. I'm giving you a bit of ass, is that good enough?

ili
05-21-09, 10:21 PM
Meditation is observing without interference of the mind.

spidergoat
05-21-09, 10:36 PM
anyone unlock their third eye yet?
Yup, and I really should not have eaten all those beans.

werzil
05-22-09, 08:49 AM
The question is asking "what do you see when you close eyes?". You do not see when eyes are closed, you don't hear when you block your ears. If mouth is closed, you do not speak.

If you see "inside", then what are you looking at, why are you "looking" when there is nothing with eyes closed? Is there a way to see something with eyes inside? Or to hear with the sense of hearing "turned away"?

You will only look, or hear "inside", you direct senses inside, not outside. This is practice for hearing true sound, and seeing real light. Is inside you, not seen "with" eyes or listened "with" ears, they must be blocked of outside, and sent inside, where they are really.

joepistole
05-22-09, 09:35 AM
I must be doing something wrong, when I meditate I see naked women.

werzil
05-22-09, 09:53 AM
You funny guy.
You say "I see naked women", but you mean your mind is looking at this.

cosmictraveler
05-22-09, 10:25 AM
Originally Posted by -ND-
anyone unlock their third eye yet?

Yes, but it was blind!

Diode-Man
05-22-09, 03:03 PM
Most peoples third eye has a big stake called "Status Quo" stabbed in it.

-ND-
05-22-09, 09:31 PM
lol why did i even ask, im surrounded by a bunch of nobody's

Tamz
05-29-09, 09:47 AM
Hopefuly long story...short.

I've always been a very spiritual person, even when i was a child. I sometimes joke and say its in my blood only to find I'm a AB+ blood type...which is said to be the most spiritual blood type. Anyhow back to what my question is.

I've tried meditaing for awhile, off and on. I understand the whole concept etc about it minus one experience I had.

After my hot yoga class we laid down and meditated. While meditating I experience about 20 seconds of seeing nothing, no visual pictures, no words, no thoughts, only blackness and my body felt like it was levitating. Yes it was only 20 seconds but felt so powerful.

Is this normal? What degree of meditation was this. I feel lost as in what happened....Can anyone tell me anything about what I went through?

Reason I'm asking is because I was going to a center about positive living and had a mind treatment, 3/4 of the session was awesome but the other 1/4 was very judgmental. The Rev told me I wasn't spiritual, have never meditated, I'm corrupting my son (who is in a private school & has an IQ of 145), told me I need to be alone and heal myself, told me I was sexually abused and so much more. I left feeling confused. The good parts made me feel great but the judgmental parts left me feeling like a bag of dirt.

werzil
05-30-09, 09:38 AM
Perhaps you surrender desire to breathe, so that breathing is not conscious effort, but control of breath still possible through unconscious 'effort' like before you breathe any air, like diving reflex in newborns.

Very deep, powerful experience, if you can still concentrate and keep mind on breath, without 'breathing' yourself. You open "Kundalini" yogic mantra, connect with Lotus of infinite self with mind at infinity and base of spine at root of Lotus, which is at eternal place of rest. Very relaxing and comforting, like in womb of mother.
But conscious, because you now have mind, personality you not have before, in womb. Before birth, are in state of unconscious observance of true nature, forget completely at birth because world is cold and noisy - big distraction for new mind with new job to understand strange new world.

Since you have this experience, no need to listen to words from any other person, me or anyone, can ignore distraction of religious dogma, psychobabble, etc.

Secret is, not to think about "how" or if can do again, already you are doing, no need to think about how, why, just concentrate "inside", forget about world outside for a while. World still there, after.

PsychoticEpisode
05-30-09, 01:51 PM
Since you have this experience, no need to listen to words from any other person, me or anyone, can ignore distraction of religious dogma, psychobabble, etc.

Secret is, not to think about "how" or if can do again, already you are doing, no need to think about how, why, just concentrate "inside", forget about world outside for a while. World still there, after.

Finally..... some sense. Take heed all of you who believe you've entered another realm, reached a higher level of understanding, reached a greater state of being, been enlightened, became one with God, got in touch with their soul, and escaped from reality because .....

As Werzil said, the world is still there, waiting to welcome you back to a reality from which you never left in the first place. In fact just being able to meditate is reality. There's no getting away from it.

Meditation is a way to relax. Good for the mind but nothing about meditation is paranormal, metaphysical, nor does it transcend time and space. It's a way of thinking. Why meditate? Why play golf? Because we can.

wise acre
05-30-09, 05:01 PM
Good for the mind but nothing about meditation is paranormal, metaphysical, nor does it transcend time and space. How would you know this?

PsychoticEpisode
05-30-09, 06:06 PM
How would you know this?

From meditating, what else? :D Hey, if outrageous claims can be made that counter mine then I am within my right to claim the opposite is true

C'mon wise acre, I know its like saying there's no god, plus I realize that there is always a chance for the unproven. So far as the evidence goes, there is none, but if you find some be sure and let everyone know.

I knew that my statement would illicit a response such as yours but I expected it from someone else. Is it proof I'm clairvoyant? Well there's always a chance.

wise acre
05-30-09, 07:11 PM
From meditating, what else? :DSo from your experiences meditating you know what other people cannot be experiencing in their meditation.


Hey, if outrageous claims can be made that counter mine then I am within my right to claim the opposite is trueOh, I'd certainly defend your right to make your claims.


C'mon wise acre, I know its like saying there's no god, plus I realize that there is always a chance for the unproven. So far as the evidence goes, there is none, but if you find some be sure and let everyone know. The evidence is pretty flimsy that the consciousness that is an epiphenomenon of 'your' body now is the same consciousness that was there ten years ago.


I knew that my statement would illicit a response such as yours but I expected it from someone else. Is it proof I'm clairvoyant? Well there's always a chance.Hm. I can't remember putting forward a proof like this. No, I am pretty sure I would never use a proof like this.

PsychoticEpisode
05-30-09, 09:22 PM
So from your experiences meditating you know what other people cannot be experiencing in their meditation.

Good Lord, do I have to spell it out for you? Think harder.


The evidence is pretty flimsy that the consciousness that is an epiphenomenon of 'your' body now is the same consciousness that was there ten years ago.

How would you know this?


Hm. I can't remember putting forward a proof like this. No, I am pretty sure I would never use a proof like this.

If you can't remember, how would you know this?

Anybody can play this game. How would I know this?

wise acre
05-30-09, 09:58 PM
Good Lord, do I have to spell it out for you? Think harder. I paraphrased your argument. If it was correct, say so. If it wasn't try rewording or explaining. Like a conversation.

Making little ad hom shots like the above quote are pretty pointless, don't you think?


How would you know this?You disagree?


If you can't remember, how would you know this?So you took that literally. OK. In English that phrasing often means 'I didn't', but it has a tinge of sarcasm. So I will be clear. I did not make that argument. It is irritating when someone counters or mocks an argument I did not make in a reply to me as if I did. Please don't. If you feel you need to let me know and I'll ignore you.


Anybody can play this game. How would I know this?It's not only a game to ask for support for a claim.
You claimed knowledge about what everyone cannot possibly be experiencing when they meditate.

swarm
05-31-09, 03:16 AM
While meditating I experience about 20 seconds of seeing nothing, no visual pictures, no words, no thoughts, only blackness and my body felt like it was levitating. Yes it was only 20 seconds but felt so powerful.

Most the time meditating is just the usual stuff but every now and then something totally weird happens. Perfectly normal. Don't let it bother you. Enjoy it for what it is and then get back to meditating. :)


What degree of meditation was this.

There aren't degrees. There is just you and your mind.


center about positive living ... was very judgmental. The Rev told me I wasn't

This is what is called a clue.

Avoid hanging out with assholes and giving them access to your inner states.

You are lucky you only wasted a session and whatever you paid for it.

People who are internally weak are drawn to abuse like that just like a moth to a flame. They will keep going back and rave about how great the "rev" is. Its the same abuse dynamic that people drawn to abusing relationships go through.

Congratulations on passing this spiritual test. :)

PsychoticEpisode
06-02-09, 09:25 PM
You claimed knowledge about what everyone cannot possibly be experiencing when they meditate.

Same as I have claimed God doesn't exist. There is always a chance until proven impossible.

If you want to believe a thought can leave your head to actually go somewhere outside your physical being into another realm or universe, go and do whatever a traveling thought does, return to where it originated then show me how. I'd bet the house & mortgage on nothing really happening other than you had a good think.

Take it away John & Paul.....

Thoughts meander like a
restless wind inside a letter box
they tumble blindly as
they make their way across the universe

But when it's all said and done:

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world

lightgigantic
06-02-09, 09:37 PM
But when it's all said and done:

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world

hehe

Then I guess you have accepted your guru and are acting accordingly

PsychoticEpisode
06-02-09, 09:53 PM
hehe

Then I guess you have accepted your guru and are acting accordingly

Great swami, I see a nice ledge on a mountainside reserved for you when you retire. If some poor soul needs enlightenment then they can scale the cliffs of despair until they reach you and gaze upon your smiling countenance(and beard) and ask of you the answer to the pinnacle of all of life's questions, "WHY?". I'm sure that will be an easy one.

lightgigantic
06-04-09, 12:26 AM
Great swami, I see a nice ledge on a mountainside reserved for you when you retire. If some poor soul needs enlightenment then they can scale the cliffs of despair until they reach you and gaze upon your smiling countenance(and beard) and ask of you the answer to the pinnacle of all of life's questions, "WHY?". I'm sure that will be an easy one.
The side of the mountain is not as desolate as you imagine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8z7f7a2Pk)

;)

EndLightEnd
06-04-09, 11:10 AM
The side of the mountain is not as desolate as you imagine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8z7f7a2Pk)

;)

LOL...awesome.:D

Cris
06-04-09, 07:25 PM
what do you see when you meditateNothing, I have my eyes closed.

What do I experience? Just pleasant thoughtless restful awareness.

DeviKaliMa
08-19-10, 04:30 PM
Normally when I meditate I see either lights of different colors, or nothing, or pyramids, sometimes I see myself sitting crosslegged in space. It depends how deep in meditation I am.

-- Kali,
meditation-mantra.org Teacher

spidergoat
08-19-10, 05:29 PM
I see dead threads.

Lori_7
08-19-10, 06:55 PM
i see futility. i honestly don't get the point of trying to empty your mind. perhaps an exercise in concentration, but i'd rather concentrate on something than nothing.

kmguru
08-19-10, 06:55 PM
Ditto

Arachnakid
10-25-10, 03:49 AM
Personally, when I meditate I either percive very vague sensations (such as spidergoat described) or fall into a sort of lucid dreaming where I both percieve the world around me as it is and manipulate those perceptions. During this second state, I feel open and seperated from my body, and I also begin to personify or sympathize with everything around me. I do not think that I have ever approached "true" meditation--I am easily distracted by the swarming of my own thoughts. I can relax, but I cannot focus.

arfa brane
10-28-10, 07:55 PM
You must learn to control the tendency of mind to wander into the material world, grasshopper.

ElectricFetus
10-31-10, 01:01 PM
I focus on counting numbers and drawing them in my head as clearly as possible, remove all other thoughts and total focus on 1... 2... 3...

Bebelina
10-31-10, 08:39 PM
I have stopped meditating, don't have time for it anymore and never really had any use for it either. A concentrated rest is better, to focus on a problem at hand and find a solution.

Gremmie
10-31-10, 08:42 PM
"What do you see when you meditate?"

The inside of my eyelids...I keep my eyes closed.

Bebelina
10-31-10, 08:48 PM
Do you actually see them? Don't the eyes have a tendency to roll up when the eyelids are closed, especially if you are lying down? Can you see the inside of the eyecavity too?

Gremmie
10-31-10, 09:00 PM
Do you actually see them? Don't the eyes have a tendency to roll up when the eyelids are closed, especially if you are lying down? Can you see the inside of the eyecavity too?

Just close your eyes, and stand in front of a light bulb...Do you not see light?

If you do, it would be thru your closed eyelids..Hence you CAN see the inside of said eyelids.

The eye cavity, etc...I have no idea about.

Bebelina
11-01-10, 02:48 AM
Haha, do you always stand in front of a lightbulb when you meditate?

Gremmie
11-01-10, 03:00 AM
Haha, do you always stand in front of a lightbulb when you meditate?

yeah, pretty much...Makes me feel more "en-LIGHT-ened".:idea:

John99
11-01-10, 05:43 AM
THE SPIRITS EYE SEES WITHIN AND WITHOUT DEPENDS WHERE YOU TURN YOUR ATTENTION IN ACCORD WITH YOUR INTENTION.

:confused:...WHAT? Thats just BS.

Search & Destroy
11-06-10, 01:33 PM
hypnogogic imagery if I am tired. Usually from blackness fades basic patterns, waves of light pulse, and if you have the skill of seeing without moving your eyes, you can watch the dreams fade into existence. From patterns emerge simple shapes, and they become 3d and more real. Usually if I'm very tired I can have full-blown visuals after 20 minutes.

However I'm meditating during the day, the point is not to see any images. Focus on one thing - breath. Looking at images is not focusing on breath.

Search & Destroy
11-06-10, 01:35 PM
and to the person who thought they were levitating, it's very normal in meditation to lose your sense of space. so you were probably on the correct path.

Gremmie
11-06-10, 02:57 PM
and to the person who thought they were levitating, it's very normal in meditation to lose your sense of space. so you were probably on the correct path.


Or, just really stoned..;)

I Enoch
02-03-14, 03:48 PM
When I meditate I usually start drifting away into my mind, relaxing, letting my subconscious mind transcend into a dark abyss. I've been meditating for about 8 months already and usually see different colors or a stream of light swirling in different directions. But I've seen something different this time. I saw a door, and this door wasn't just an ordinary door. I was suddenly in space, surrounded by starts and galaxies. The door was invisible but I can see the outline of it, it was like light was coming through inside the door. It was so random and a new experience to me I came straight back to myself. If anyone knows what this means or can help me out with my vision of what I am seeing, I am all ears. Thank you.

Much Love,
Enoch

kmguru
02-11-14, 12:23 AM
On Meditation...I see a world beyond ours that is as big as the Universe and has all our passed-away people in spirits working towards a better Universe in to the future...some of them come here after they set up the plan to work on....just like Star Trek...