I was born as a Christian Assembly of God (branch off of Pantecoastal) pastor's son, learned Presbyterian teachings in Jr. High, attended Baptist Church in high school, attended Catholic mass during high school years also, taught myself Buddhism and Islam through series of books, and took lectures and seminars on evolution and the faults of evolution.

But I believe in none of these things I've been taught.

I believe that God must exist, especially if evolution is true but I think that either God is powerless (what he created the world but can't fix its state?) or he/she/they/it is a sadist (because he created lust, moral standards, difference races and then implemente racist thoughts in us, beautiful and ugly people then implementing beauty standards in us, genetic deformities, hurricanes, cancer, AIDS, acid rain, emotional disorders, resources able to be made into weapons, etc.)

But I'm curious. What do you guys believe in? Are you Christian, evolutionist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Wiccan, Satanist, agnostic, athiest but not a believer in evolution, creationist, have your own unique set of beliefs now known yet to the world? What is your religion?

If you're not afraid to come out of the closet on that, this is the thread for that.

I was born as a Christian Assembly of God (branch off of Pantecoastal) pastor's son, learned Presbyterian teachings in Jr. High, attended Baptist Church in high school, attended Catholic mass during high school years also, taught myself Buddhism and Islam through series of books, and took lectures and seminars on evolution and the faults of evolution.

But I believe in none of these things I've been taught.

I believe that God must exist, especially if evolution is true but I think that either God is powerless (what he created the world but can't fix its state?) or he/she/they/it is a sadist (because he created lust, moral standards, difference races and then implemente racist thoughts in us, beautiful and ugly people then implementing beauty standards in us, genetic deformities, hurricanes, cancer, AIDS, acid rain, emotional disorders, resources able to be made into weapons, etc.)

But I'm curious. What do you guys believe in? Are you Christian, evolutionist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Wiccan, Satanist, agnostic, athiest but not a believer in evolution, creationist, have your own unique set of beliefs now known yet to the world? What is your religion?

If you're not afraid to come out of the closet on that, this is the thread for that.
I believe in me.:p

until some god comes down and PROVES to me that hes god they all remain as fictious as a Santaclaus.

evolution is a fact how it happens is a theory,
here learn something worthwile instead of that religious fantasy
www.talkorigins.org

falcon,

welcome to sciforums.

The majority here are atheists or non-believers and few have any concerns about coming out of any closets.

Some corrections for you on evolution, that you don't appear to have studied very well. Evolution is fact, it has occurred and is occurring, this is not a matter personal choice. Evolutionary theories, however, are attempts to explain the processes of evolution and while some of these are well established others are still being developed.

As for the existence of a god being necessary - can you you show any single instance where a god is needed where a more credible natural cause would not be possible?

Actually microevolution is a fact - macro evolution is hypotheisis in light of evidence

;)

Actually one of the reasons I am reluctant to come forward with my specific religious upbringing is because I am more interested in discussing philosophy - seems here people are more interested in judging the politics of religious institutions - classic example is samckdey - over 95% of what she can tell us about islam is wasted by discussions of terrorism etc

I am strong believer in evolution actually. But... think about it, who started the process? Who actually created space to start the evolutionary process to begin in the first place? Who allowed big bang to happen? Evolution also explains how powerless God is, how he can't create things out right, but can only slowly form stuff out of failures and experimentation.

But honestly... I really really wish God just didn't exist at all, that in the beginning, just something existed and randomly started a series of chains that kept on occuring and occuring and failing and adapting to end up with one planet in countless number of galaxies with life and with patterns, although life and pattern here is imperfect to say the least.

Although... maybe God doesn't have to exist...
Have you heard, in 2001, some scientist created a virus?? Virus is life!!! Man actually created life!!!

But I'm curious. What do you guys believe in?

I honestly try not to 'believe' in anything as much as possible. Evidence-based thinking is much better IMO.



What is your religion?


None.

I am strong believer in evolution...

I might suggest reconsidering what you know about evolution. If the evidence says its true then you should know its true... not believe.


But... think about it, who started the process? Who actually created space to start the evolutionary process to begin in the first place? Who allowed big bang to happen?

A better question might be does a 'who' need to exist for the things listed above to exist? Another question might be, does the concept of 'start' even apply?



But honestly... I really really wish God just didn't exist at all, that in the beginning, just something existed and randomly started a series of chains that kept on occuring and occuring and failing and adapting to end up with one planet in countless number of galaxies with life and with patterns, although life and pattern here is imperfect to say the least.

There isn't necessarily a 'beginning' and the concept of 'random' doesn't seem to objectively exist. If you are convinced that 'God' exists however, it might be a good exercise to list out all the supportive evidence that shows an instance of such a life form really exists.

Light,

Actually microevolution is a fact - macro evolution is hypotheisis in light of evidenceLargely irrelevant here - Both are attempts to explain the fact of evolution. No serious biologist doubts evolution has occurred they are just not entirely sure how.

Light,

Largely irrelevant here - Both are attempts to explain the fact of evolution. No serious biologist doubts evolution has occurred they are just not entirely sure how.

How can a person can accept something as fact when there is no direct perception - even in all branches of theism, which may for the majority of people operate out of the principle of being true in principle, has at least some connection with saintly persons who operate out of the principle of direct perception

I might suggest reconsidering what you know about evolution. If the evidence says its true then you should know its true... not believe.


Dude, nothing's knowable. But I guess if you say it that way, Yeah, I know evolution is true. But you can't deny that God could possibly have been involved with it.

And what's the deal with this, there might not have been a beginning? No beginning? Everything has a beginning. What makes the universe an exception?

Dude, nothing's knowable.

I know you typed that message on a keyboard.


But I guess if you say it that way, Yeah, I know evolution is true. But you can't deny that God could possibly have been involved with it.

I can discard that 'possibility' because there would have to be evidence for 'God's existence in the first place. The claim of 'God' existing has been around for thousands (tens of thousands?) of years and not one speck of supportive evidence exist for any particular claim. Meanwhile knowledge about reality is increasing and is contradicting every assertion of 'God' there is. Basically n-thousand years of claims, zero supprotive evidence, and plenty of contradictive evidence is (as a whole) evidence that any particular religion's claim of 'God' does not exist. Do I know that there isn't some super-life form out there somewhere? Nope... and there is no evidence suggesting one exists either.


And what's the deal with this, there might not have been a beginning? No beginning? Everything has a beginning. What makes the universe an exception?

We've seen evidence that the universe was a result of an inflation event 14+ billion years ago and our understanding of the universe suggests that it could maximally deflate at some point... and then inflate again. This inflation / deflation process might be something that goes on indefinately (no actual beginning or end). That is a variant of an inflationary theory.

There are other theories that suggest that our universe is just a moment of change in a neverending mathematical execution (sorry forgot that particular theory name... my bad) or that our universe might be a renewal of a different universe that reached a certain threshold of entropy (steady state theory) and our universe would do the same... and it's universe would do the same... and so on (i.e. no real beginning or end). There are lots of other theories out there as well which remove the concept of beginning and end.

I'll leave you with a somewhat related thought. Does 'nothing' exist? I mean really, can you think of one instance of 'nothing'? If 'nothing' really doesn't exist then that would imply 'something' has always existed; hence, an absence of 'beginning' and 'end'.

Light,

How can a person can accept something as fact when there is no direct perception - even in all branches of theism, which may for the majority of people operate out of the principle of being true in principle, has at least some connection with saintly persons who operate out of the principle of direct perceptionTake a room with a box in one corner. You leave the room and come back later. The box is still there but now in a differrent corner. What happened (many theories are possible). But you didn't see it get moved but you know it was moved somehow.

Same with biological evolution. It is like looking at a map and following the roads but in places the map has gaps but you can see the road continuing on the other side of the gap.

It takes very little intelligence to see what has occurred - i.e. there is no reasonable doubt. Like a child joining the dots in a picture puzzle so they can see the final shape.

Just follow the dots - evolution is so damn obvious it really isn't worth debating.

Light,

Take a room with a box in one corner. You leave the room and come back later. The box is still there but now in a differrent corner. What happened (many theories are possible). But you didn't see it get moved but you know it was moved somehow.

Same with biological evolution. It is like looking at a map and following the roads but in places the map has gaps but you can see the road continuing on the other side of the gap.

It takes very little intelligence to see what has occurred - i.e. there is no reasonable doubt. Like a child joining the dots in a picture puzzle so they can see the final shape.

Just follow the dots - evolution is so damn obvious it really isn't worth debating.


precisely what is debated is that there is movement at all - for instance in the case with the road maps or join the dots - these things function by sequencing - but if you apply sequencing to a situation that doesn't innvolve sequencing you just have dots.

This is why the sequencing of evolution is only a theory

Light,

You mean like the sequence ......2 3 4 5 6 7 8......

Not sure if you can do this but what is your theory about a value that comes before the start and one after the end?

Of course there are no facts to say your theory might be true of course, right?

Light,

You mean like the sequence ......2 3 4 5 6 7 8......

Not sure if you can do this but what is your theory about a value at comes at the start and one at the end?

Of coure there are no facts to say your theory might be true of course, right?

But numbers are a sequence - like for instance whats the difference between an arrangement of dots with numbers and just an arrangement of dots in terms of join the dot exercises??

In other words evolution can only be extrapolilated from the fossil record when you ascribe a sequence to the evidence - since the sequencing is highly speculative (in terms of macroevolution) and there is no empirical evidence of the sequencing in the first place it remains a theory

Slime through human - yup very subjective - umm, what order will I place them?

See the bigger picture Light and stop quibbling about minutia.

Slime through human - yup very subjective - umm, what order will I place them?

See the bigger picture Light and stop quibbling about minutia.

The point is that they may exist independantly and be completely bereft of any need for sequencing, just like an array of dots with out numbers is not meant to illustrate any picture in terms of join the dots - in the absence of empirical evidence evolution could all be in your head

Light,

I think you must be wearing blinkers. The evidence of the sequence is overwhelming as Darwin realized as he made his discoveries. It is as obvious as the number sequence I gave you. And it makes no sense to attempt to deny it.

Humans are the result of evolutionary processes as is all life on this planet.

Light,

I think you must be wearing blinkers. The evidence of the sequence is overwhelming as Darwin realized as he made his discoveries. It is as obvious as the number sequence I gave you. And it makes no sense to attempt to deny it.

Humans are the result of evolutionary processes as is all life on this planet.

actually the sequencing is all hearsay - you may have something to add but from what I understand after 150 years of trying to cram empirical findings into darwinism to elevate it from the status of a theory there has been no progress

I think you are still confusing the fact that it has occurred with the mechanisms (the theories).

I believe in dreams

Wouldn't it be crazy if we all discovered that the universe was kept in order by trillions of gods?

I think you are still confusing the fact that it has occurred with the mechanisms (the theories).

not clear on the distinctions or similarities you are making between the words mechanisms and theories - as it stands I don't think they are interchangable

Wouldn't it be crazy if we all discovered that the universe was kept in order by trillions of gods?

not really...cause we are those Gods.

Wouldn't it be crazy if we all discovered that the universe was kept in order by trillions of gods?

I'll say, since the perfect order we have in the way of the universe cannot be explained by trillions of independant and competitive entities

not really...cause we are those Gods.

then either you are corrupting language to define god as something mundane (ie not omnipotent, omniscient etc) or you have an inflated sense of the living entity

inflated sense of the living entity

I see
:confused:

Strongest power of will is the strongest God. Sometimes I hear my echo, and think if it is really what I believe in, but there is nothing else to believe in but in me.

Strongest power of will is the strongest God.

there are other trifling characteristics too - such as being the origin of all creation, the source of all sources, infallible, completely independent etc - if we are gods we are certainly not very effective ones - in short it seems you ar emore in line with corrupting language than having a puffed up sense of I

there are other trifling characteristics too - such as being the origin of all creation, the source of all sources, infallible, completely independent etc - if we are gods we are certainly not very effective ones - in short it seems you ar emore in line with corrupting language than having a puffed up sense of I

Im more of I dont know anything of this universe, I know I exist right now, who created me? why am I here? why cant I live forever? Is there a God? Why does this God create me only to kill me?...these questions arise and being alive for some time now, I question them and get answers not by what I think of or what other think of, but by observation. I notice that there are humans on this planet and that I am now this human, I also notice that Gods of which some humans speak of are nowhere to be seen. Without any answers with proof from anyone I now only believe in myself, myself only for I know that I currently exist, and I am a God in my own sense as everyone is in their own senses. Why do they wish to kneel before other God and how do they know that God exists? I wonder often. If I dont know if God exists than there is noone to kneel before. And if such God existed would I kneel before him?

Im more of I dont know anything of this universe, I know I exist right now, who created me? why am I here? why cant I live forever? Is there a God? Why does this God create me only to kill me?...these questions arise and being alive for some time now, I question them and get answers not by what I think of or what other think of, but by observation. I notice that there are humans on this planet and that I am now this human, I also notice that Gods of which some humans speak of are nowhere to be seen. Without any answers with proof from anyone I now only believe in myself, myself only for I know that I currently exist, and I am a God in my own sense as everyone is in their own senses. Why do they wish to kneel before other God and how do they know that God exists? I wonder often. If I dont know if God exists than there is noone to kneel before. And if such God existed would I kneel before him?

Here's a standard definition of god

god
1. god \'ga:d also 'go.d\ n [ME, fr. OE; akin to OHG got god] 1: a being or
object believed to have more than natural attributes and powe rs and to
require man's worship; specif : one controlling a particular aspect or part
of reality 2: a person or thing of supreme value 3: a powerful ruler
2. God n : the supreme or ultimate reality : as : the Being perfect in
power, wisdom, and goodness whom men worship as cr eator and ruler of the
universe Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over
all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

notice how we don't fit it

If you want to call a man the president of the united states it implies that the man has substantial political sway in america - if you call some street sweeper the president (even if they happen to be american) its a misuse of terminology - for instance you are plagued by unlimited unanswered questions - god, being omniscient, is not

You seem to be saying that you are the closest thing you've experienced to being god - you also admit that your experience of the universe is not very extensive

I don't think it is appropriate that you title yourself god by default, anymore than a street sweeper should declare himself the president of america because the real president will not appear before him to prove he exists

Here's a standard definition of god

god
1. god \'ga:d also 'go.d\ n [ME, fr. OE; akin to OHG got god] 1: a being or
object believed to have more than natural attributes and powe rs and to
require man's worship; specif : one controlling a particular aspect or part
of reality 2: a person or thing of supreme value 3: a powerful ruler
2. God n : the supreme or ultimate reality : as : the Being perfect in
power, wisdom, and goodness whom men worship as cr eator and ruler of the
universe Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over
all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

notice how we don't fit it

If you want to call a man the president of the united states it implies that the man has substantial political sway in america - if you call some street sweeper the president (even if they happen to be american) its a misuse of terminology - for instance you are plagued by unlimited unanswered questions - god, being omniscient, is not

You seem to be saying that you are the closest thing you've experienced to being god - you also admit that your experience of the universe is not very extensive

I don't think it is appropriate that you title yourself god by default, anymore than a street sweeper should declare himself the president of america because the real president will not appear before him to prove he exists

so was God a street sweeper before he became a president? :p

so was God a street sweeper before he became a president? :p


No - god is defined as the cause of all causes - your definition of god however would accommadate god being a street sweeper before he reached "god status", hence it doesn't fit the bill

well then my definition of God differs from other's definition of God. Either way I dont feel any of my Gods but me and another of others God.

well then my definition of God differs from other's definition of God. Either way I dont feel any of my Gods but me and another of others God.

Who is more superior? God or the president of the united states? Why don't you call yourself the president of th e united states while you are at it?

Remember you can define your god anyway you wish since there is nothing real that you can draw upon for support. So you have as good a chance of being correct or wrong as everyone else.

Who is more superior? God or the president of the united states? Why don't you call yourself the president of th e united states while you are at it?

Gods, each in our own way. and bush isnt even a president, he is more of a chmo.

Remember you can define your god anyway you wish since there is nothing real that you can draw upon for support. So you have as good a chance of being correct or wrong as everyone else.

At the very least websters dictionary disagrees with you

Gods, each in our own way. and bush isnt even a president, he is more of a chmo.

so do you think you can get away with calling yourself the president? (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=58777)

- it should be easy since you are prepared to call yourself god

I was born as a Christian Assembly of God (branch off of Pantecoastal) pastor's son, learned Presbyterian teachings in Jr. High, attended Baptist Church in high school, attended Catholic mass during high school years also, taught myself Buddhism and Islam through series of books, and took lectures and seminars on evolution and the faults of evolution.

But I believe in none of these things I've been taught.

I believe that God must exist, especially if evolution is true but I think that either God is powerless (what he created the world but can't fix its state?) or he/she/they/it is a sadist (because he created lust, moral standards, difference races and then implemente racist thoughts in us, beautiful and ugly people then implementing beauty standards in us, genetic deformities, hurricanes, cancer, AIDS, acid rain, emotional disorders, resources able to be made into weapons, etc.)

But I'm curious. What do you guys believe in? Are you Christian, evolutionist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Wiccan, Satanist, agnostic, athiest but not a believer in evolution, creationist, have your own unique set of beliefs now known yet to the world? What is your religion?

If you're not afraid to come out of the closet on that, this is the thread for that.

I am thiinking about becoming a Gibson Catholic. I am also pretty sure i saw a manifestaion of JC sooooooo.

so do you think you can get away with calling yourself the president? (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=58777)

- it should be easy since you are prepared to call yourself god

its sounds like you lessen God's value before the president. If I am prepared to call myself a God, why should I call myself that of a lessen status being?:eek:

its sounds like you lessen God's value before the president. If I am prepared to call myself a God, why should I call myself that of a lessen status being?:eek:

Thats right - your god - just go ahead and take control of america - who cares what the president says
:rolleyes:

Thats right - your god - just go ahead and take control of america - who cares what the president says
:rolleyes:

No...
By my definition GOD can be anyone, everyone is GOD. I am a developing being, both evolutionary and on a social level, I become more powerfull with each day, I become this GOD in a process. I am awakening my soul to slowly transcend into a GOD.

No...
By my definition GOD can be anyone, everyone is GOD. I am a developing being, both evolutionary and on a social level, I become more powerfull with each day, I become this GOD in a process. I am awakening my soul to slowly transcend into a GOD.

By my definition the president of the united states can be anyone, everyone is president of the united states. I am a developing being, both evolutionary and on a social level, I become more powerfull with each day, I become this president of the united states in a process. I am awakening my soul to slowly transcend into a president of the united states.

If a street sweeper told you that what would you think?
:rolleyes:

You can try posting it on http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=58777 and see what response you get

By my definition the president of the united states can be anyone, everyone is president of the united states. I am a developing being, both evolutionary and on a social level, I become more powerfull with each day, I become this president of the united states in a process. I am awakening my soul to slowly transcend into a president of the united states.

If a street sweeper told you that wha would you think?
:rolleyes:

http://www.planetgamecube.com/media/1086/4/th/13232.jpg

Grrrrrrrrr.......:mad:

You choose if you want to be that powerfull God or not.
Do you want to have power? If not that you are just a street sweeper. However as for me I want to be more than that and I am in a process of becoming a greater more powerfull GOD than I was before.

http://www.planetgamecube.com/media/1086/4/th/13232.jpg

Grrrrrrrrr.......:mad:

You choose if you want to be that powerfull God or not.
Do you want to have power? If not that you are just a street sweeper. However as for me I want to be more than that and I am in a process of becoming a greater more powerfull GOD than I was before.

The street sweeper also wants to have the power to be the president

As for your increasing power I guess it is still in th e realm of insignificance since no one but yourself holds you in awe and reverence

i Should say i am pretty surer i sawa manifestation, like 78% certain.

wants/wishes/dreams and acts/actually does something is what differs true GODs from street sweepers.

I know my physical/social/mental power has increased, I have become more of a God because I compared my physical/social/mental power to that of others around me. I was able to change from a peasant in Russia into an aerospace engineer in America and I have dreams to go further...to NASA...my dream.

wants/wishes/dreams and acts/actually does something is what differs true GODs from street sweepers.

I know my physical/social/mental power has increased, I have become more of a God because I compared my physical/social/mental power to that of others around me. I was able to change from a peasant in Russia into an aerospace engineer in America and I have dreams to go further...to NASA...my dream.

I am not denying that willing plays an active role in our lives - I am denying that willing extends to the impossible - for instance if a man goes to an artificial insemination clinic with the desire to become his own father he will not be successful - similarly it is not possible for us to supercede god as the cause of all causes no matter how erudite our scholarship or large our salary is

Plain old common sense

I am not denying that willing plays an active role in our lives - I am denying that willing extends to the impossible - for instance if a man goes to an artificial insemination clinic with the desire to become his own father he will not be successful - similarly it is not possible for us to supercede god as the cause of all causes no matter how erudite our scholarship or large our salary is

Plain old common sense

...time will pass and humans will be able to make babies from males, without an egg, with power of nanotechnology and genetic engineering the male chromosomes can be manipulated with and inserted into a cell derived from stem cells that of the male, the machines will give birth to a baby. Humans will slowly become powerfull GODs. Nothing is impossible.

...time will pass and humans will be able to make babies from males, without an egg, with power of nanotechnology and genetic engineering the male chromosomes can be manipulated with and inserted into a cell derived from stem cells that of the male, the machines will give birth to a baby. Humans will slowly become powerfull GODs. Nothing is impossible.
particularly in the mind of a science fiction writer

actually the more realistic q's about the future of science and society are whether we will go back to the stone age due to WMD's

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Albert Einstein.

I'll say, since the perfect order we have in the way of the universe cannot be explained by trillions of independant and competitive entities
Do you know how many stars there are? They wouldn't have to be competitive.
not really...cause we are those Gods.

Metaphorically? As in God is self?

“ Originally Posted by lightgigantic
I'll say, since the perfect order we have in the way of the universe cannot be explained by trillions of independant and competitive entities ”

Do you know how many stars there are? They wouldn't have to be competitive.

are you advocating that stars, planets and dull matter is conscious and exerts a will on the universe? - the general consensus seems to be that dull matter is influenced by fundamental laws of physics

particularly in the mind of a science fiction writer

actually the more realistic q's about the future of science and society are whether we will go back to the stone age due to WMD's

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein was a pessimist and those who impose their pessimism on others and hold power, can influence history

Science fiction writer? huh? please...the Amish people of today, if were told that they can float in air like they were birds...what would they say? they would say what a nonsense and that it is a science fiction writer's fantasy. Well lets draf them amish people to Florida to space shuttle and make them float in the ISS (international space station), how will they see their God now? How will they see themselves now?

are you advocating that stars, planets and dull matter is conscious and exerts a will on the universe? - the general consensus seems to be that dull matter is influenced by fundamental laws of physics

Who said that. If each God controlled a star, they wouldn't have to quarrel.

draqon

Albert Einstein was a pessimist and those who impose their pessimism on others and hold power, can influence history
At the very least einstein secured a more prestigious scientific title and greater salary than yourself, so that must make him a greater god than you

Science fiction writer? huh? please...the Amish people of today, if were told that they can float in air like they were birds...what would they say? they would say what a nonsense and that it is a science fiction writer's fantasy. Well lets draf them amish people to Florida to space shuttle and make them float in the ISS (international space station), how will they see their God now? How will they see themselves now?

Perhaps as only having travelled an insignificant distance on a vehicle ..... too avoid looking foolish in either commerce or scientific discussion it is wise not to rely on post dated cheques and promises for the future.

Metaphorically? As in God is self?

metaphorically of course...light here believes that I feel myself as GOD. lolz:D

... promises for the future.

Promises to the future?:eek: :bugeye: ? Astronauts can fly in air, hover, in space. If people were told 200 years ago that they will be able to do that, noone would believe it.

Who said that. If each God controlled a star, they wouldn't have to quarrel.

well to a degree thats what takes place in the heavenly planets according to vedic descriptions - such descriptions are also full of descriptions of conflict too (eg - rahu vs candra, exploits of ravana, bali, hirankakasipu, hiranyaksa on th eupper planetary system etc)

Promises to the future?:eek: :bugeye: ? Astronauts can fly in air, hover, in space. If people were told 200 years ago that they will be able to do that, noone would believe it.

Remember we are talking about how a man can go to an artificial insemination clinic and have his desire fulfilled to be his own father - flying in a shuttle doesn't really compare since it is operates on the same essential principle as a bullock cart

At the very least einstein secured a more prestigious scientific title and greater salary than yourself, so that must make him a greater god than you


Einstein died long ago, he was really old when he secured that title, I am 19 and I have done as much as Einstein did in his years. so boo ya :p

Remember we are talking about how a man can go to an artificial insemination clinic and have his desire fulfilled to be his own father

oh so since promise of human flight and delivery of that promise, doesnt suit ur beliefs you now switch to the insemination clinic. Allrighty...
Yes it is in the future, but so was being able to fly....that was all in the future for the past.

Einstein died long ago, he was really old when he secured that title, I am 19 and I have done as much as Einstein did in his years. so boo ya :p

How many nobel laurettes have you secured?

How many nobel laurettes have you secured?

what he secured a nobel laurette when he was 19? and since when do nobel laurettes are the only things in the universe to measure the intellect and power?:bugeye: Anyways did Einstein grew up in a family that left him all alone in a country, like I was left? Was he able to change from dirt into society's elite? Or was he society elite from the start?

draqon

oh so since promise of human flight and delivery of that promise, doesnt suit ur beliefs you now switch to the insemination clinic. Allrighty...

Actually it was the original premise I offerred for the limitations of desire - you are th eone who brought up the whole space travel thing, something that is obviously close to your heart ;)


Yes it is in the future, but so was being able to fly....that was all in the future for the past.

flying is not so amazing since birds can already do it without getting intoxicating scholarship credentials - its not clear what scientific processes will enable a man to be the cause of himself by visiting an insemination clinic since history (as you so adroitly brought to our attention) happened before the present, and thus it is a bit difficult to approach a scientific process that enables one to be one's own cause

so...lightgigantic...after all this chit-chat. Any q's left?

what he secured a nobel laurette when he was 19? and since when do nobel laurettes are the only things in the universe to measure the intellect and power?:bugeye: Anyways did Einstein grew up in a family that left him all alone in a country, like I was left? Was he able to change from dirt into society's elite? Or was he society elite from the start?

Actually he was an insignificant office clerk before he became famous - as for the nobel prizes, yes, generally they do indicate substantial achievements in the field of science ... and remember you are the one that said

I am 19 and I have done as much as Einstein did in his years.

Do you mean that you have achieved as much as einstein had at 19 and are most definitely destined to out do him in the immediate future?

so...lightgigantic...after all this chit-chat. Any q's left?

You are not the president of the united states

You are not einstein

and you most definitely aren't god

(even though you think that willpower alone is enough to secure any of these three positions)

You are not the president of the united states

You are not einstein

and you most definitely aren't god

(even though you think that willpower alone is enough to secure any of these three positions)

No I am not a president of United States but I am trying to come close to the power the president holds.

No I am not Einstein but in time I might be one and exceed his accomplishments.

You are correct, willpower+imagination is what will secure these positions...

And YES I AM GOD. In my own way.


If GOD did exist what do humans think of his existence? Was he always a GOD? or was he something else before that? if he was always a GOD, than what should I respect him for? what did he do to earn such power? If he wasnt a GOD and progressed to be a GOD? than how did he do it? I will respect such GOD if such progression to power did not cause deaths or evil.

As for your increasing power I guess it is still in the realm of insignificance since no one but yourself holds you in awe and reverenceexcuse me!
I hold him in much much higher insignificance then you, and I hold him in awe and reverence, but only slightly more than me.
this man is god, and could be anything he wishes to be.
even the President or an Einstein.

this man is god, and could be anything he wishes to be.

I smell dark sarcasm here... If you dont dream at all you will certainly not accomplish anything.

draqon

No I am not a president of United States but I am trying to come close to the power the president holds.
yes - you and 3 billion other people - problemis that there is only one president so it seems that quite a few people will miss out, regardless of their willpower

No I am not Einstein but in time I might be one and exceed his accomplishments.
At least einstein never said anything as riduculous as being god

You are correct, willpower+imagination is what will secure these positions...
In that case the street sweeper is already the president of the USA

And YES I AM GOD. In my own way.
Just as the street sweper is the president of the USA in his own way


If GOD did exist what do humans think of his existence? Was he always a GOD?
if he is the eternal cause of all causes it suggests so

or was he something else before that?
an entity that was something before becoming god is not god

if he was always a GOD, than what should I respect him for?
generally we show respect to people in this world who display wealth, beauty, strength, renunciation, wisdom and fame - since god possesses these qualities in the greatest quantity he is automatically given respect

what did he do to earn such power?
nothing - its his eternal constitutional position - thats why despite being all powerful god is not a tyrant like hitler or someone - he is so powerful that he is never in anxiety at the prospect of losing his power, thus he can exhibit renunciation greater than any other

If he wasnt a GOD and progressed to be a GOD? than how did he do it?
He didn't

I will respect such GOD if such progression to power did not cause deaths or evil.
on the contrary we cause death and evil when we try to usurp the position of god by our material prowess - thats what the material world is all about

I smell dark sarcasm here... If you dont dream at all you will certainly not accomplish anything.

material accomplishment has its limitations - can you drain the pacific ocean with a 250ml cup?

material accomplishment has its limitations - can you drain the pacific ocean with a 250ml cup?

in time I can drain all oceans with one cup. The only thing is, it would not be intelligent of me, thus if I really wanted to drain all oceans I would do so a more efficient way.

if he is the eternal cause of all causes it suggests so



Allthough there lots to discuss really regarding that post you made. I wish to know which causes are these that suggest this eternal cause?:bugeye:

in time I can drain all oceans with one cup.
actually the rivers of the world can fill it more quickly than you can drain it

Allthough there lots to discuss really regarding that post you made. I wish to know which causes are these that suggest this eternal cause?:bugeye:

Its not even uncommon to encounter an atheist who advocates an eternal cause to the universe (they say however that it is not god and dull matter)

How can you explain the nature of existence without a cause of all causes?

Its not even uncommon to encounter an atheist who advocates an eternal cause to the universe (they say however that it is not god and dull matter)

How can you explain the nature of existence without a cause of all causes?

:rolleyes: ok... two possibilities

1) in future humans will develop a technology that is capable of transferring particles back in time, the humans send the particles back in time that annihilates and causes Big Bang which gives rise to the universe, perhaps it is the same reality of universe as the one these humans of future are in, perhaps it is another reality of universe then that of those humans of future. Perhaps humans are not even responsible for universe creation, black holes might as well be transferring particles back in time until all matter is transferred and another/or same exact Big Bang occurs to create a universe. time lapse basically. All this based on the fact that matter dissapears in black holes...or as we like to say gets crushed to infinite singularity. And space grid is like time. no space grid is no time. (All from Einstein concepts)

2) Humans create a universe within a universe. Humans within that universe create another universe within their universe, whereas within that universe another universe is created. Perhaps it is not humans who create a universe within universe but laws of the universe.

These are the possibilities and not just the GOD who supposevly governs everything and makes big bang not create chaos but something as complex as humans, meanwhile humans are more chaos than there was before.

:rolleyes: ok... two possibilities

1) in future humans will develop a technology that is capable of transferring particles back in time, the humans send the particles back in time that annihilates and causes Big Bang which gives rise to the universe, perhaps it is the same reality of universe as the one these humans of future are in, perhaps it is another reality of universe then that of those humans of future. Perhaps humans are not even responsible for universe creation, black holes might as well be transferring particles back in time until all matter is transferred and another/or same exact Big Bang occurs to create a universe. time lapse basically. All this based on the fact that matter dissapears in black holes...or as we like to say gets crushed to infinite singularity. And space grid is like time. no space grid is no time. (All from Einstein concepts)

2) Humans create a universe within a universe. Humans within that universe create another universe within their universe, whereas within that universe another universe is created. Perhaps it is not humans who create a universe within universe but laws of the universe.

These are the possibilities and not just the GOD who supposevly governs everything and makes big bang not create chaos but something as complex as humans, meanwhile humans are more chaos than there was before.

time is declared (at least in the vedas) to be a subservient quality of god - its what distinguished him from the ordinary living entity

time is declared (at least in the vedas) to be a subservient quality of god - its what distinguished him from the ordinary living entity

just as humans can now fly, they will once control time, but of course there are non-believers. I wonder what will humans think of God then?

Seriously, I really love to feel like "God is in everything" because everyone is happy, and yes God is not visible but he is still in us and within us, but so much bad things happened to me, that if God existed for me before now I wish not to think of him but to think of me as the only one who can change my destiny, this feeling and trust in myself gives me power to go on.

draqon

just as humans can now fly, they will once control time, but of course there are non-believers. I wonder what will humans think of God then?

I've got to ask, what are your initial gut reactions to the commonly held theistic notion that when the perfectly pious die they become qualified for an eternal life of bliss in knowledge in a realm that is not subject to death and decay?

Seriously, I really love to feel like "God is in everything" because everyone is happy,
god (and those dovetailed with god's desire) however are happy all the time (coming from russia I think you can appreciate the value of that - I have many russian friends) - its the spiritual inclination of the living entity to seek happiness - whetherthey are looking in the right places for such happiness is what distinguishes material life from spiritual life


and yes God is not visible but he is still in us and within us, but so much bad things happened to me, that if God existed for me before now I wish not to think of him but to think of me as the only one who can change my destiny, this feeling and trust in myself gives me power to go on.

its not clear where you are at - first you say that it was god's fault for cutting short your destiny and then you say that you are the only one who can manipulate your destiny - does god only get the credit when things go bad and we get the credit when things come good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcncPpQ8loA

I smell dark sarcasm here... If you dont dream at all you will certainly not accomplish anything.

I'm sorry there is was no sarcasm intended, I am a humanist and do hold you in much higher esteem than any fantasy god, you are the real thing.
lightgigantic is a god sycophant he's one of the sheeple and will never amount to anything, he is Mr Extremely Boring, a poster to cause you to commit suicide. if he had an original thought, the poor thing would die of loneliness.

I'm sorry there is was no sarcasm intended, I am a humanist and do hold you in much higher esteem than any fantasy god, you are the real thing.
lightgigantic is a god sycophant he's one of the sheeple and will never amount to anything, he is Mr Extremely Boring, a poster to cause you to commit suicide. if he had an original thought, the poor thing would die of loneliness.

A high quantity of ad homs along with an absence of premises usually indicates an exhaustion of ideas

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcncPpQ8loA


yes - entertaining - but it doesn't really address the questions I proposed

A high quantity of ad homs along with an absence of premises usually indicates an exhaustion of ideas yes exactly your finally getting it, well done.

yes exactly your finally getting it, well done.

was that another ad hom?

:D

I'm a atheist, the name says it all. Godless. No god need be in my life, no god need exist in the universe, no god created it, no god can ended. God is a feeble voice by primitive men, realizing their brain was communicating from one hemisphere to the other. Subconscious & consciousness had a hallucinating voice in their head, that voice became god, when the voice grew silent, "hence men evolved their consciousness" They sought their god through primitive rituals, the idea of one god became the norm, since the voices had silenced..

And today those who still seek that state of mentality, the schizo's, nutters such as LG, zealot theistic jackass who comit suitside in the name of their deity, what they are is following remnants of their bicameral mentality. Primitive mind set.. Evolution has happened, the secularists, humanists, atheists, have evolved above the primitive mind set of theistic dummers who still believe in fantasy! ;)

I'm a atheist, the name says it all. Godless. No god need be in my life, no god need exist in the universe, no god created it, no god can ended. God is a feeble voice by primitive men, realizing their brain was communicating from one hemisphere to the other. Subconscious & consciousness had a hallucinating voice in their head, that voice became god, when the voice grew silent, "hence men evolved their consciousness" They sought their god through primitive rituals, the idea of one god became the norm, since the voices had silenced..

And today those who still seek that state of mentality, the schizo's, nutters such as LG, zealot theistic jackass who comit suitside in the name of their deity, what they are is following remnants of their bicameral mentality. Primitive mind set.. Evolution has happened, the secularists, humanists, atheists, have evolved above the primitive mind set of theistic dummers who still believe in fantasy! ;)

so apart from colourful terminology, what are the general principles you utilized to draw your opinions? ....., because at the moment all you have is bravado.

Like for instance all your argument boils down to are that theists commit suicide (got any stats?) or are crazy because they don't share the same ideas that you do (you assume that your world view is correct simply because its yours)

I don't believe in God as a creator. Nor in God as is depicted by the majority of main stream religions.

I do believe there's a spiritual side to this universe, and ultimately us. Something outside the physical dimensions that we don't acknowledge and can't explain, but nevertheless plays an integral role in everything. If that sounds vague it's because it is, in truth I have no idea what this 'something' is, but for me it's enough to believe it exists. Something we've overlooked and don't understand. And I'll happily admit I don't understand it, rather than create some backwater explanation and tout it as truth (as most religion does).

I believe that because I've seen and experienced things that can't be explained in a physical sense.

Like for instance all your argument boils down to are that theists commit suicide (got any stats?)

Have you got your brains buried up your ass? Where in the hell did I mention anything about suicide stats in my statement? It's obvious that suicide bombers kill themselve, or are such a moron that doesn't know this is going on?

Here's your problem LG.

“100,000,000,000,000 Flies Can’t Be Wrong: Eat Shit!”
— bumper sticker seen in California in the 1970s

A remarkably common fallacy is the appeal to the masses. If the vast majority of the world’s population believes something to be true, that’s a pretty good indication that it’s true, isn’t it? Not necessarily. Nevertheless, this is a common argument for the existence of God in Positive Atheism’s Letters Section. “The majority of humans believe in a god” (to which one could respond, “but the majority of those people believe that your god is a false god”).http://www.positiveatheism.org/faq/faq1115.htm

Just because billion people believe in some form or deity or another does not make it so, that the deity exists, and furthermore 1/2 the world's population believe your deity, your religion is wrong. However you and your ilk believe the opposite, that's why you'll are at each other's throat. As an atheist I'm just too fucking tired of being cought up by two main religions rhetoric.

Religion's devils:
http://www.objectivethought.com/articles/religionsdevils.html

PS I'll get the stats for you of how many theist comit suicide, that may also of course include suicide bombers ;) K!

Godless

Have you got your brains buried up your ass? Where in the hell did I mention anything about suicide stats in my statement? It's obvious that suicide bombers kill themselve, or are such a moron that doesn't know this is going on?

ad homs aside - you have said that there are two qualities to an atheist
1) they commit suicide (human bombs)
2) they are deluded in their foundations

concerning point one, even atheists commit suicide and kill people

concerning point two, I am curious what general principles you used to arrive at that statement ..... or perhaps your are more satisfied just by making statements to the world or something

Here's your problem LG.

“100,000,000,000,000 Flies Can’t Be Wrong: Eat Shit!”
— bumper sticker seen in California in the 1970s

A remarkably common fallacy is the appeal to the masses. If the vast majority of the world’s population believes something to be true, that’s a pretty good indication that it’s true, isn’t it? Not necessarily. Nevertheless, this is a common argument for the existence of God in Positive Atheism’s Letters Section. “The majority of humans believe in a god” (to which one could respond, “but the majority of those people believe that your god is a false god”).http://www.positiveatheism.org/faq/faq1115.htm

Just because billion people believe in some form or deity or another does not make it so, that the deity exists, and furthermore 1/2 the world's population believe your deity, your religion is wrong. However you and your ilk believe the opposite, that's why you'll are at each other's throat. As an atheist I'm just too fucking tired of being cought up by two main religions rhetoric.

Religion's devils:
http://www.objectivethought.com/articles/religionsdevils.html

PS I'll get the stats for you of how many theist comit suicide, that may also of course include suicide bombers ;) K!

The problem is that you try to write off religion as a social delusion saying that there is no noumenon (god - or something that gives rise to t he notion of god) - this can be contended since the same phenomena (religion, ie the response to noumenon of "god") can be visible beyond the constraints of what usually dictates socially transmitted delusions (language, history, geography, culture etc)

Yes, religion is a delusion even though our human capacity for understanding ideas gave rise to other technologies such as culture, which may or may not be delusional.

Yes, religion is a delusion even though our human capacity for understanding ideas gave rise to other technologies such as culture, which may or may not be delusional.

the point is that the idea of god transcends defintions of culture - it has a uniform appearance in all cultures at all places in all times

Ah hah! The idea of God is by no means universal. I think the commonality of belief in supernatural personalities comes from evolution. You see, most threats in our past came from entities with motivation, ie, tigers, rival tribes, wild creatures. So when we see something we don't understand, the natural thing is to make out the personal motivations of the threat, with the intention of anticipating and avoiding it.

Still, the commonality of an idea has no bearing on it's factuality.

spidergoat

Ah hah! The idea of God is by no means universal.

Really? Its practically impossible to seperate studies of history or culture from religion

I think the commonality of belief in supernatural personalities comes from evolution. You see, most threats in our past came from entities with motivation, ie, tigers, rival tribes, wild creatures. So when we see something we don't understand, the natural thing is to make out the personal motivations of the threat, with the intention of anticipating and avoiding it.

This heading towards the tautological argument for the existence of god - if all cultures everywhere tend to the personalize the unknown as part of their intrinsic psychological make up as a context, what does it suggest?

Really? Its practically impossible to seperate studies of history or culture from religion
People are clever. Religion is an early attempt at an explanatory narrative. Still, religion per se is not God.

This heading towards the tautological argument for the existence of god - if all cultures everywhere tend to the personalize the unknown as part of their intrinsic psychological make up as a context, what does it suggest?
It suggests that figuring out the motivations of a percieved threat confers a survival benefit.

“ Really? Its practically impossible to seperate studies of history or culture from religion ”

People are clever. Religion is an early attempt at an explanatory narrative. Still, religion per se is not God.

I see, so there is a seperation between religion and god

:confused:

Latin religio(n-) obligation, bond, reverence, or alternatively based on Latin religare - connection.

obligation, bond, reverence or connection to what?


“ This heading towards the tautological argument for the existence of god - if all cultures everywhere tend to the personalize the unknown as part of their intrinsic psychological make up as a context, what does it suggest? ”

It suggests that figuring out the motivations of a percieved threat confers a survival benefit.

but its not clear why the response to such threats (real or apparent) take the form of religion/god uniformly in culture/history

Quite so, religion is not God. You are conditioned by western religion to think so.

The reason this reaction of anticipating a personality in an unknown event translates into the commonality of spirit entity(s) is easy to understand if we consider the ultimate scary and unknown thing, especially to early peoples: death.

It is common but not uniform, every culture has a different mythology.

spidergoat

Quite so, religion is not God. You are conditioned by western religion to think so.

to westerners eastern religion generally means buddhism, but even if you examine what buddhism teaches the nature of nirvana and the material world and our relationship with both, it ends up being remarkably similar to other religions ... in other words the reverence, bond connection etc element of religion is still apparent

The reason this reaction of anticipating a personality in an unknown event translates into the commonality of spirit entity(s) is easy to understand if we consider the ultimate scary and unknown thing, especially to early peoples: death.

you ar estill not escaping the tautological argument - what would personalizing or establishing the forces or nature of an existence after death beyond the purview of culture/geography/history etc indicate since the nature of corporeal existence everywhere is uniform?

What does this intrinsic psychological make up as a context suggest?

It is common but not uniform, every culture has a different mythology.
uniform enough to share the title "religion" (connection, reverence bond etc)

Xelios

I don't believe in God as a creator. Nor in God as is depicted by the majority of main stream religions.

I do believe there's a spiritual side to this universe, and ultimately us. Something outside the physical dimensions that we don't acknowledge and can't explain, but nevertheless plays an integral role in everything. If that sounds vague it's because it is, in truth I have no idea what this 'something' is, but for me it's enough to believe it exists. Something we've overlooked and don't understand. And I'll happily admit I don't understand it, rather than create some backwater explanation and tout it as truth (as most religion does).

I believe that because I've seen and experienced things that can't be explained in a physical sense.
You haven't made it clear or offerred any reasons why that "something" is definitely not or appears to not be god

concerning point one, even atheists commit suicide and kill people


I've yet to hear, see, or read the news of a proclaimed atheist comiting suicide for some baseless cause, such as religion! ;) Any proof, or just more empty claims? Show the evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxA8_NIxQZc

PS it's worth the effort to see the video :cool:

I've yet to hear, see, or read the news of a proclaimed atheist comiting suicide for some baseless cause, such as religion! ;) Any proof, or just more empty claims? Show the evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxA8_NIxQZc

PS it's worth the effort to see the video :cool:

Have you heard of the Buddhist monk who self immolated to protest against treatment of Buddhists by Roman Catholics in Vietnam?

http://www.geocities.com/tcartz/sacrifice.htm

You might of course argue that Buddhism is not atheism, of course.


And have you also heard of a communist guerilla group called the LTTE?
http://www.spur.asn.au/chronology_of_suicide_bomb_attacks_by_Tamil_Tigers _in_sri_Lanka.htm

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1740234,004100180006.htm

The LTTE may not have begun suicide bombing, but it certainly has been the single largest and the most systematic user of the grisly technique.

From 1987 on, it has reportedly lost 273 Black Tigers. This indicates 273 bombings, as not a single bomber has been caught alive.

Given the importance of suicide bombing in its arsenal, the LTTE appears to be the only group to have systematized the training and techniques of suicide bombers.

The group is reported to have about 500 trained cadres now. They wear military uniforms and parade about as a regular unit of the LTTE army. No other group in the world does this.


I doubt either of these would consider their cause baseless, though.

I've yet to hear, see, or read the news of a proclaimed atheist comiting suicide for some baseless cause, such as religion! ;) Any proof, or just more empty claims? Show the evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxA8_NIxQZc

PS it's worth the effort to see the video :cool:

Maybe existential despair contributes instead

http://www.zefrank.com/atheist/

Here's a game you can play LG..

http://www.jesusdressup.com/

Here's a game you can play LG..

http://www.jesusdressup.com/

bah - thats just so old hat and generic - even polticians and football players get lampooned in the exct same way- at least with the atheist game a little intelligence went into it

I believe in me.:p

until some god comes down and PROVES to me that hes god they all remain as fictious as a Santaclaus.

evolution is a fact how it happens is a theory,
here learn something worthwile instead of that religious fantasy
www.talkorigins.org

I was raised a Methodist, but have not been to church on a regular bases in years. This doesn't mean that I don't believe in God / Jesus. It simply means that I don't attend church. My belief is that I think that God/etc. is a supreme being that created all of what we know of. The earth, the heavens, the planets, what we are calling aliens. and the so called UFO's that are reported. I have never seen one, so how would I know that do or don't exist? I think that God being a person or spirit could have possibly started evolution at the beginning of time and as we progressed into what we know in the Bible as Adam and Eve, that he was pleased at that point and let us progress furthur and we may not have been the first attempt at this. There is probably other worlds out in space that were started thousands or maybe even millions of years before we were and that is where all of these aliens / UFO's are coming from. Now agreed that what I am saying is only a speculation and I don't live by these beliefs, but it is as possible as so many other therories that have been come up with. / The different religions is a product of man. The different aspects of this is from man rewriting the bible so many times and manipulating it to satisfy himself. I was on another site (yahoo answers) and someone asked what the oldest religion was. I am under the impression that was at one time in the past only being one religion, and before that instead of (A) God, there were God's as in the times of the Roman's and earlier, so how could someone answer that question and know that they were right or wrong. Our records of such things only go back so far.

But I'm curious. What do you guys believe in? Are you Christian, evolutionist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Wiccan, Satanist, agnostic, athiest but not a believer in evolution, creationist, have your own unique set of beliefs now known yet to the world? What is your religion?

I would like to ask something, please.

What is an "evolutionist"? :confused:

If you're not afraid to come out of the closet on that, this is the thread for that.

I lack belief in the supernatural.

I was raised a Methodist, but have not been to church on a regular bases in years. This doesn't mean that I don't believe in God / Jesus. It simply means that I don't attend church. My belief is that I think that God/etc. is a supreme being that created all of what we know of. The earth, the heavens, the planets, what we are calling aliens. and the so called UFO's that are reported. I have never seen one, so how would I know that do or don't exist? I think that God being a person or spirit could have possibly started evolution at the beginning of time and as we progressed into what we know in the Bible as Adam and Eve, that he was pleased at that point and let us progress furthur and we may not have been the first attempt at this. There is probably other worlds out in space that were started thousands or maybe even millions of years before we were and that is where all of these aliens / UFO's are coming from. Now agreed that what I am saying is only a speculation and I don't live by these beliefs, but it is as possible as so many other therories that have been come up with. / The different religions is a product of man. The different aspects of this is from man rewriting the bible so many times and manipulating it to satisfy himself. I was on another site (yahoo answers) and someone asked what the oldest religion was. I am under the impression that was at one time in the past only being one religion, and before that instead of (A) God, there were God's as in the times of the Roman's and earlier, so how could someone answer that question and know that they were right or wrong. Our records of such things only go back so far.

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M*W: Welcome to sciforums. I have a question. Why do you think any "other worlds" would only be "out in space?" Other universes could be in inner space, or even in our own space but in another dimension. Consider the world of insects to human beings. Do they know we live somewhat in their universe and they in ours? Do they care? Obviously, we do, but we are in control of their universe. Could other worlds live only in our imaginations? I think so. Do these other worlds manifest out of our consciousness? Isn't that how all religion began? BTW, there is no god and no creator. Humans invented religion according to their understanding of their own limitations.

I am a Satanist.

I am a Satanist.
should we read this with or without dramatic music in the background?

should we read this with or without dramatic music in the background?

I read your posts with harp music in the backround.

I am a Satanist.


No your not, you'r a pervert & happy about it! :D ;)

I read your posts with harp music in the backround.
Funny - I wasn't aware that I got into topics of christian theology too deeply
;)