View Full Version : What did I see... UFO?


Reiku
10-21-07, 03:33 PM
Maybe i am being a bit harsh on where to place this thread... after all, the following is true, and the real definition of UFO is anything flying in airspace that is unidentified.

The following is a true story. Please keep spamming to a minimum.

''Do you believe in the existence of extraterrestrials?''
Fox Mulder to Dana Scully (Pilot Episode)

Yes. I do. And here are three reasons why:

1. That in the 1990's in Scotland, Dunoon in the Argyle, (my home town), i experienced a most fantastic phenomena. I was a young child at the time; but i remember the experience as though it where yesterday. I remember looking out of my mother and fathers home one dark winter’s night, and i saw something... something that made me screw my face, because, even though i did not know how aerodynamics worked - i did know what types of spacecraft we had at the time, and it did not match up. Three distinct lights (of brilliant vibrance), cascaded high above my house in a beautiful dance - though, a complicated one at that, and i can tell you now today, that no earthly-built aircraft could manoeuvre like what these lights where doing: thus, i called my parents... and we all stood out in the dark open with our eyes fixated to the skies, in incredible awe. Jaw's open - quite literally. They performed a dance that would rotate around each other in almost pure symmetry, then merging together - like a single force - then splitting away from each other, before disappearing into the deep dark of the night skies, as though they speeded away faster than sound itself. If their are doubters of my claims out their, which there inexorably always is, it wasn't just witnessed by my self and my family - but by quite a few people throughout the town. It was noted that week in the 'Local Dunoon Observer;' so, I’m not as eccentric as some might have assumed.

2. Now - the second reason extends from the first. Here, my scientific and mystical mind go hand-in-hand. First of all, if it wasn't a product of an earth air-craft, since i can deduct this from its sophisticated manoeuvres throughout the sky, then one might assume it was some light source, located miles away. However, an investigation occurred and found no results of any light activity from any of the surrounding towns - and since Dunoon is arched in by mountains, the major cities like ''Glasgow'', is simply far too much of a distance. If it was cast from Glasgow, it would have needed to be a very powerful, focused beam... and even beams that are seen from reasonable distances, can still be known to be from some torch light source - but these 'Luminiferous objects', as i said, where extremely vibrant, and did not look as though they where a by-product of some distant source... it might as well have been cast right from our back garden it was that bright.

3. But i hear Occam rolling in grave... What if it was but some kind of electrical phenomena? Well, I’m no expert on natural electrical phenomena, such as lightning, but i believe even lightning itself is not fully known how it operates. I heard a theory earlier this year, that it might be a product of ice frictions... but too long a story... but my point being, that if this is true, then it is quite possible actually that it could have all been a phenomenal electrical event... but when does the buck stop with knowledge, because eventually, logic becomes a lie, and everything falls down a disenchanted path, and lay's in scientific history as nothing but curiosity... In other words, not everything is governed by logic. Even the illogical assumptions bring with it its own type of legacy. So, might we turn to the fantastic, perhaps even the most incredible to discover the correct logical truth - no matter how illogical it may seem to be? Might the fantastic from time-to-time, be the most plausible assumption? Mathematics would state yes. But this is according to our calculations, highly improbable... However, is the improbable the most probable way to discover the truth about the mind-blowing, incomprehensible world we see around us?

I would like to believe what i saw that night was of extraterrestrial origin - even though the scientific child inside of me is telling me 'no - don't be stupid!' :bugeye: - because, how could another race achieve such a task as deep as intergalactic travel without coming to us when we are long gone, due to the relative laws?
Of course - is this not the argument that is self-explanatory? After all, wouldn't aliens be more intelligent than us? Perhaps they discovered the mysterious ''Tachyonic Matter,'' and achieved great spacetime distances, without really taking any time at all? What if they have mastered the unified theory long before us, and came to our planet, 100,000 years ago - and they, as some conspiracists state, 'created us,' and, 'monitors us'... even though i don't believe in this theory, i can imagine some strange interpretations; one being that if they did genetically construct humans, they are then our gods... But - please - don't mistake me here - it is incredibly improbable... but that's the great thing about theories. If at least a statistical value of anything happening, whether that be 1 in 10^100, it is still possible.

Of course - other, more rational ''things'' can be brought into play here. First of all, aliens must exist, due to the high probability factor of infinite spacetimematter - thus out in that wide cosmos, we cannot be, according to these statistics, be the only ''life'' out there... whether that be intelligent life or not. There is simply far too much space and matter, and equally proportional to its infinite possibilities, that we cannot be the only life existent within this great expanding vacuum.
And, equally logical, is that if they are alien to us, what are we to them? I'm sure you guessed that we too would be aliens - thus, using this deduction, ask yourself again, 'do aliens exist?'

Yes... they do. I am one sitting here right now, as you are sitting there reading this.

Reiku :m:

cosmictraveler
10-21-07, 03:43 PM
So if one SEES an object flying then wouldn't it be an Identified Flying Object? IFO for short.

Reiku
10-21-07, 03:48 PM
No, that would be an oxymoron, because then you are lying, since you don't actually know what it is you are observing. Yes, you've identified an unidentified flying object, but you do not know of what origin.

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 04:25 PM
No. it's a legit UFO. Now could you tell if these objects had mass? could you see if there were a fuselage?
On your 2nd from last point, 70quintrillon stars, it's looking more and more like most of them have planets. I think the last count that I saw was 200 observed planets outside of our system. So yes, odds are good that we have neighbors. But the closest possible one is 4.5 years away at the speed of light (C) so without some type of loophole it's darned unlikely that we'll ever meet.
Please explain your last point.

draqon
10-21-07, 04:31 PM
http://www.uforth.com/

find which shape the UFO you saw were

Reiku
10-21-07, 04:42 PM
The closest i would say was the orb-sphere (three of them... draqon). Quite amazing actually.

Reiku
10-21-07, 04:45 PM
''Please expllain your last point.''

Can you highlight which point you are referring to please?

Reiku
10-21-07, 04:54 PM
Is this serious draqon.../????

Reiku
10-21-07, 05:00 PM
Mmmm...

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 06:10 PM
''Please expllain your last point.''

Can you highlight which point you are referring to please?

I was refering to

Yes... they do. I am one sitting here right now, as you are sitting there reading this.

Are you claiming to be E.T.? or a native of another country? being funny? just asking for clarifacation.

Reiku
10-21-07, 06:14 PM
Oh right...\

Well... think logically; If they are aliens to us, what are we to them?

draqon
10-21-07, 06:15 PM
Oh right...\

Well... think logically; If they are aliens to us, what are we to them?

Zoo. ;)

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/chroncast/2005/08/31/LON901D_BRITAIN_0825_03500x333.JPG

Reiku
10-21-07, 06:18 PM
Lol... nice one.

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 06:44 PM
Oh right...\

Well... think logically; If they are aliens to us, what are we to them?

IF we are known to them, they will have a name for us. So not aliens.

GeoffP
10-21-07, 06:50 PM
You know, I have to admit...there seems to be a lot of supportive evidence for the UFO phenomenon. Airline pilots that call in sightings (well, not any more, apparently), sightings with hundred of citizens, military personnel. It does seem a bit likely.

Enmos
10-21-07, 07:01 PM
I once saw something similar, tiny bright spots high up in the sky. They were flying in some random pattern but stayed more or less in the same area. I don't know what they were but I guess it was some sort of atmospherical effect or ball lightning or something.
I don't think e.t.'s would busy themselves flying random patterns. Anyhow, they looked natural in origin.

Reiku
10-21-07, 07:01 PM
Too likely. So likely, i think its the military.

cosmictraveler
10-21-07, 07:02 PM
No, that would be an oxymoron, because then you are lying, since you don't actually know what it is you are observing. Yes, you've identified an unidentified flying object, but you do not know of what origin.

But I know what I'm seeing, it is there right in front of me, so why is it a UFO then.

Enmos
10-21-07, 07:03 PM
But I know what I'm seeing, it is there right in front of me, so why is it a UFO then.

If you saw an animal in the forest but you didn't get a clear enough look at it to say what kind of animal it was, would you say you identified it ?

cosmictraveler
10-21-07, 07:04 PM
Yes, it was an animal!

Enmos
10-21-07, 07:05 PM
Yes, it was an animal!

Yes and these were lights..
If you can't say what animal you haven't identified it.
Are you being funny ?

cosmictraveler
10-21-07, 07:07 PM
Perhaps, can you tell?

Enmos
10-21-07, 07:08 PM
Perhaps, can you tell?

sigh..

Reiku
10-21-07, 07:08 PM
Oh my giddy aunt...

cosmictraveler
10-21-07, 07:10 PM
:bravo::crazy:

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 07:14 PM
You know, I have to admit...there seems to be a lot of supportive evidence for the UFO phenomenon. Airline pilots that call in sightings (well, not any more, apparently), sightings with hundred of citizens, military personnel. It does seem a bit likely.

Yes but a lot of military pilots have admitted to turning off their lights and flying under the bellies of comm flights and then zoom off Full Milatary Power (FMP). What would those airline pilots see?
And If we can show that this happened just once, it makes the other reports less likely to be ET. Don't get me wrong- I want to meet and greet ET, but as yet there is no evidence.

cosmictraveler
10-21-07, 07:48 PM
Yes but a lot of military pilots have admitted to turning off their lights and flying under the bellies of comm flights and then zoom off Full Milatary Power (FMP). What would those airline pilots see?
And If we can show that this happened just once, it makes the other reports less likely to be ET. Don't get me wrong- I want to meet and greet ET, but as yet there is no evidence.

Can you please provide a link to one of those pilots , thanks.

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 07:54 PM
Can you please provide a link to one of those pilots , thanks.

They have been documented in 2 of Phill Klass'
books and once in Jim Oberg's book. Both have web sites but you'll need to do your own legwork tonight.
You might also want to check dr.edgarmitchellapollo14.com

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 08:07 PM
Jim Oberg has a e-mail link at his site. Things should go quickly Phill has passed on so his reply may take longer. Perhaps there is an on-line link to buy "The Public Decieved".

shorty_37
10-21-07, 08:21 PM
Anyone see the movie Fire in the Sky? It was supposed to be based on true story.

draqon
10-21-07, 08:22 PM
Anyone see the movie Fire in the Sky? It was supposed to be based on true story.

everythings' based on a true story...one way or another.

shorty_37
10-21-07, 08:22 PM
everythings' based on a true story...one way or another.

K but did you see it?

draqon
10-21-07, 08:23 PM
K but did you see it?

no.

shorty_37
10-21-07, 08:26 PM
It really freaked me out when they were doing the tests on him :eek:



http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6805/200pxfireintheskyposterib2.jpg

draqon
10-21-07, 08:26 PM
anyways all these alien encounter stories...Ill believe them when I experience them.

Reiku
10-21-07, 08:38 PM
I agree with draqon.

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 09:53 PM
Anyone see the movie Fire in the Sky? It was supposed to be based on true story. It was based on Travis walton and c. attempting to get the forest service to extend the deadline on a timber contract. See my above "Decieving the Public" Klass ot's still available through the james randi education f sumthing google jref if you'd like to buy it.

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 09:54 PM
It really freaked me out when they were doing the tests on him :eek:



http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6805/200pxfireintheskyposterib2.jpg

same source as above,,, he effing failed them

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 09:57 PM
K but did you see it?
The kid was a huckster from a family of hucksters. I did watch a bit of it on tv but my wife turned it off, said I was groaning too much:D

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 10:00 PM
Note to all, on both forums I'm going under the knife in the AM. Should be posting again in ten days or so. Don't think that I'm running from the "quality" of your debate.
srr

Reiku
10-21-07, 10:05 PM
What are you having done... the chop? :)

snake river rufus
10-21-07, 10:20 PM
What are you having done... the chop? :)


Clot, left side of the brain. man how good will I be when blood flow returns:deal:

cosmictraveler
10-22-07, 04:40 AM
The kid was a huckster from a family of hucksters. I did watch a bit of it on tv but my wife turned it off, said I was groaning too much:D

True, to date there has not been one piece of PHYSICAL evidence that can prove that anything has ever been here from another planet yet alone another galaxy. Until PHYSICAL proof is established I won't believe anything anyone just happens to "see".

shorty_37
10-22-07, 08:14 AM
The kid was a huckster from a family of hucksters. I did watch a bit of it on tv but my wife turned it off, said I was groaning too much:D

HAHA I didn't say I beleived it.....but damn that movie creeped me out, when they put the jelly stuff in his mouth, pryed open his eye and the needle was heading straight for it .........Yikes:eek:

Groaning to much huh? lol Sounds familar whenever we are watching a History type movie, my boyfriend startings his groaning....."damn at least they can get their facts right".............then he explains what really happened . I am like OK OK be quiet just watch the damn movie! lolol

oreodont
10-22-07, 08:49 AM
These aliens have advanced technology to travel interstellar distances. :rolleyes: they avoid detection and contact....yet have not yet mastered the ' on/off switch' to turn off the external lights on their spacecraft. :bugeye:

Reiku
10-22-07, 11:56 AM
Now... that's a good one...

nietzschefan
10-22-07, 12:17 PM
I have read in a few places(that frankly must be taken with more than a few grains of salt), they(craft/beings) manipulate gravity with incredible force. There is a "slow" speed method of hovering travel, and another phase-shift slingshot method. It has been reported that the beings both do not and DO feel relativistic effects(anywhere from 100s of years to a few months). It is hard to cut through misinformation on this subject for very obvious reasons. Basically - wow ZOOOOOM ZOOOM, is all anyone can really say about it.

nietzschefan
10-22-07, 12:29 PM
HAHA I didn't say I beleived it.....but damn that movie creeped me out, when they put the jelly stuff in his mouth, pryed open his eye and the needle was heading straight for it .........Yikes:eek:

Groaning to much huh? lol Sounds familar whenever we are watching a History type movie, my boyfriend startings his groaning....."damn at least they can get their facts right".............then he explains what really happened . I am like OK OK be quiet just watch the damn movie! lolol

Like I told you face to face(Wow people we DO actually talk face to face omg...), the real "Travis Walton" encounter, was not descibed as some hollywood horror story and he claimed he was treated well by "them". I agree though it was scary the way they did it and probably the only way hollywood could do an "alien movie".

I will post the attempt to "debunk" it, because that's all anyone is interested in around here:
http://www.castleofspirits.com/traviswalton.html

Ripley
10-22-07, 12:39 PM
These aliens have advanced technology to travel interstellar distances. :rolleyes: they avoid detection and contact....yet have not yet mastered the ' on/off switch' to turn off the external lights on their spacecraft. :bugeye:Well, I heard of a theory about that. Accordingly, ETs are deliberately exposing themselves piecemeal as a way to acclimatise the public to their presences here. Avoiding detection by the military and governments—and amongst themselves—is a whole different ball game. The trick is, I would wager—under such a scenario—is that they would know that a government knows that they know that said government knows that they can switch themselves off at will. In fact, if they are as clever as we theoretically suspect them of being, then obviously they're playing a cat-and-mouse game with the Earth's governments. Imagine a scenario where nothing was monitored over the skies of Wherever, then blink, reports start coming in from the public of an unidentified flying object.

nietzschefan
10-22-07, 12:51 PM
Speculating on the motives and specific actions of beings this far advanced from us, is something like a pet dog wondering why the human in the box with four round things flicks that one switch on his wheel thingie everytime the machine turns left or right... that is assuming there is a dog capable of such observations. Among humans, it might be even more rare.

Ripley
10-22-07, 01:34 PM
Well, I'm not a dog.

oreodont
10-22-07, 02:36 PM
Well, I heard of a theory about that. Accordingly, ETs are deliberately exposing themselves piecemeal as a way to acclimatise the public to their presences here. Avoiding detection by the military and governments—and amongst themselves—is a whole different ball game. The trick is, I would wager—under such a scenario—is that they would know that a government knows that they know that said government knows that they can switch themselves off at will. In fact, if they are as clever as we theoretically suspect them of being, then obviously they're playing a cat-and-mouse game with the Earth's governments. Imagine a scenario where nothing was monitored over the skies of Wherever, then blink, reports start coming in from the public of an unidentified flying object.

I REALLY hope you are trying to be funny. Please tell us you are not being serious.

snake river rufus
11-02-07, 09:59 PM
I will post the attempt to "debunk" it, because that's all anyone is interested in around here:
http://www.castleofspirits.com/traviswalton.html

Pretty thorough for an "attempt" at debunking isn't it?
For the record, debunking is good. Removing the bunk is called 'progress'