Hello friends, can anyone tell me that what is exactly UFO and what are the stories related to them. I have got some information on them and knowing that would like to know more about them. I have even heard that they had abducted some of the citizens, I am not sure if this is true, but like to know more on this!

UFO are manmade usually, they utilize the Lorentz law of physics using magnetohydrodynamics engine and power they use are either nuclear or fusion.

UFO are manmade usually, they utilize the Lorentz law of physics using magnetohydrodynamics engine and power they use are either nuclear or fusion.

No, they aren't.

:cry:

This is an alien that was found not long ago.

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/ALIEN9.jpg

And here another one:

http://www.artlinkphoenix.com/images/artlink/ff/great_arizona_puppet_theater_large.jpg

Yours seems so much more realistic! :eek: :rolleyes:

Yours seems so much more realistic! :eek: :rolleyes:

I know ! Isn't it creepy ?

Supposedly, it landed in this craft:

http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/assets/2008/6/20/fake_ufo.jpg

No, they aren't.

oh really, what proof u got they arent?

oh really, what proof u got they arent?

Well you made the claim, so you have to prove they are..

oh really, what proof u got they arent?

Oh dear someone doesn't understand...
The point is: what proof do you have that they are?
Bearing in mind that nuclear power plants for aircraft are not viable, magnetohydrodynamic systems are still undergoing trials at a cost of billions (wolrdwide) and a workable fusion powerplant hasn't yet been constructed.
Unless, of course, you subscribe to the ridiculous "hidden economy/ eductation system/ construction industry/ operators" theory.
If such power plants WERE workable why is so much still being spent on test beds to check the viability?

Oh dear someone doesn't understand...
The point is: what proof do you have that they are?
Bearing in mind that nuclear power plants for aircraft are not viable, magnetohydrodynamic systems are still undergoing trials at a cost of billions (wolrdwide) and a workable fusion powerplant hasn't yet been constructed.
Unless, of course, you subscribe to the ridiculous "hidden economy/ eductation system/ construction industry/ operators" theory.
If such power plants WERE workable why is so much still being spent on test beds to check the viability?

Oh really?

Yamato-1 is a workable example of a magnetohydrodynamics engine. A space engine however is being researched right now (in public) http://nextbigfuture.com/2007/12/nasa-taking-fresh-look-at-mhd.html

a fusion device was made by use of pyroelectric crystals: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v434/n7037/abs/nature03575.html


ta da !

ta da !

http://www.trentshow.com/images/tada.jpg

Enmos...you didnt even read the links, I make a very good scientific basis behind the engineering of a UFO

Hello friends, can anyone tell me that what is exactly UFO and what are the stories related to them. I have got some information on them and knowing that would like to know more about them. I have even heard that they had abducted some of the citizens, I am not sure if this is true, but like to know more on this!


Hmmmm,I have to wonder if the OP is from earth.;)

UFO -> Unidentified Flying Object

Most are misinterpreted natural phenomena, or regular manmade objects such as balloons, airplanes etc.

yea well the purpose of this thread is to identify this unidentified flying objects

Good luck.
What are the cases in question if I may ask ?

Yamato-1
Yamato 1, is a boat built in the early 1990s by Japanese conglomerate "The Mitsubishi Group" through their subsidiary company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd at Wadasaki-cho Hyogo-ku, Kobe. It uses a magnetohydrodynamic drive, driven by a liquid helium-cooled superconductor, and can travel at 15 km/h (8 knots).
(Wiki) A whole 15 knots... and working in water but not air. Hard luck.

Your second example: is being researched right now in your own words.
I.e. still being funded as a research project. And from the link: to see if it is a feasible way of powering the air-breathing first stage of a reusable spaceplane.

Third example you gave: from the link - Although the reported fusion is not useful in the power-producing sense

Any real examples Draq, or are you going to continue posting junk?

Oli...I am just giving the possible engineering techniques that might be utilized in these UFO;s...why you bein so pushy?

Possibly because you stated that that UFOs ARE man-made and that they USE the systems that are currently only in the concept/ prototype stage.
In other words your original statement was untrue.

UFO -> Unidentified Flying Object

Most are misinterpreted natural phenomena, or regular manmade objects such as balloons, airplanes etc.

And what are the rest?

Like this one. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2081022#post2081022


Lies, I'm sure.

Possibly because you stated that that UFOs ARE man-made and that they USE the systems that are currently only in the concept/ prototype stage.
In other words your original statement was untrue.

yes well the systems could have been developed long time ago by military but are classified, thats why its a UFO.

And what are the rest?

Like this one. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2081022#post2081022


Lies, I'm sure.

The rest is as of yet unknown.. but there are very few of those.
But you can bet your ass that they are also natural phenomena, such as ball lightning, atmospheric illusions, etc.

yes well the systems could have been developed long time ago by military but are classified, thats why its a UFO.

So why are the military STILL funding research?
They haven't developed them and they aren't flying them.

We're back to the dual economy/ education/ production/ operation system again.:rolleyes:

yes well the systems could have been developed long time ago by military but are classified, thats why its a UFO.

When ?

So why are the military STILL funding research?
They haven't developed them and they aren't flying them.

We're back to the dual economy/ education/ production/ operation system again.:rolleyes:

I tell you why, because Area 51 accident was such a UFO made and the supposevly aliens they found there were the military personnel pilots who were exposed to extreme small nuclear powerplant within this saucer shaped vehicle. The whole thing was covered up...with aliens...and than covered up again some more...

Research is now focused on a viable energy solution to power such a magnetohydrodynamic craft or improvement of efficiency of ion engines to the point were they become feasible for production of kN's of thrust as Zvezda rockets and above.

I tell you why, because Area 51 accident was such a UFO made and the supposevly aliens they found there were the military personnel pilots who were exposed to extreme small nuclear powerplant within this saucer shaped vehicle. The whole thing was covered up...with aliens...and than covered up again some more...

Research is now focused on a viable energy solution to power such a magnetohydrodynamic craft or improvement of efficiency of ion engines to the point were they become feasible for production of kN's of thrust as Zvezda rockets and above.

How do you know ? Where did you get this information ?

The rest is as of yet unknown.. but there are very few of those.
But you can bet your ass that they are also natural phenomena, such as ball lightning, atmospheric illusions, etc.

You didn't read it.:rolleyes:

Anyway, I can't wait till you see one of these bitches in action. After you change your underwear, I expect you'll log on and tell us you had a bad case of swamp gas.:D

I tell you why, because Area 51 accident was such a UFO made
Unsupported speculation.

and the supposevly aliens they found there were the military personnel pilots who were exposed to extreme small nuclear powerplant within this saucer shaped vehicle.
Sheer nonsense. There was at that time no nuclear powerplant small enough to fit inside a vehicle that size.

The whole thing was covered up...with aliens...and than covered up again some more...
Conspiracy theory of the "best" kind...:rolleyes:

Research is now focused on a viable energy solution to power such a magnetohydrodynamic craft or improvement of efficiency of ion engines to the point were they become feasible for production of kN's of thrust as Zvezda rockets and above.
Again you make my point.
Research is now focussed on... i.e. there is no system working in service today.

The truth of the matter is that they do have workable fusion reactors. But they are not viable because they cost more energy to use than they make. That Yamato-1 is nothing special. The US has had one workable for years before it was designed. It's just that both cost too much to use.

In which case they're not "workable" are they?

You didn't read it.:rolleyes:

Anyway, I can't wait till you see one of these bitches in action. After you change your underwear, I expect you'll log on and tell us you had a bad case of swamp gas.:D

I already did. I'm not convinced.

well fine than! You cynicists, what are your suggestions on these UFO's?

I already did. I'm not convinced.

Convinced of what?

I'd like to hear the story sometime.That is, if you want to tell it.

well fine than! You cynicists, what are your suggestions on these UFO's?

If you read Enmos's post there's your answer.
Yes there's a number that are currently unexplained - but they should be left in the "unexplained" category until further data arrives, not blown up into "aliens are out there and abducting us/ the military runs a secret economy" theories that require ever more speculation and nuttier support.

It was just two points of light, way up in the sky at dawn, doing fast maneuvers alien to human technology. It lasted about 5 minutes, then they just disappeared.
I think I was 11 or 12 at the time.

yeah great explanation the UFO are unidentified flying objects that are unexplained and unidentified...

so am I am unexplained and unindentified...and oh boy lemme jump into air and here I fly...I must be a UFO...

It was just two points of light, way up in the sky at dawn, doing fast maneuvers alien to human technology. It lasted about 5 minutes, then they just disappeared.
I think I was 11 or 12 at the time.

plasma balls created from electrical discharges in the atmosphere.

plasma balls created from electrical discharges in the atmosphere.

A.k.a. ball lightning, could be.
However, I did briefly believe back then that they were "ufo's". Mostly because it was a cool idea, I guess.

In which case they're not "workable" are they?

Fusion reactors are workable, they have been since 1954 i believe. But they are not useful because their main purpose is to produce electricity, but MODERN ones take more electricity to use than they produce. I said modern ones because they are getting close to making it so they can produce more power than they necessitate, so essentially they are workable just not useful.

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Such topics do hold my attention too, paranormal happenings, weird incidents do interest me. I had heard some news too about the abductions that had taken place related with UFO. I am not sure if they are really true, but if you are interested in more information on this topic, check out which has abduction reports that will help you to know more.

people just saying words like "paranormal" and "undefined" and "undefinable" and "unknown" will not let us deduce what it is that UFO's are indeed.

Now I already gave 2 hypothesis backed up by scientific proof for what UFO we/some of us see might be:

1) magnetohydrodynamics engine using a fusion reactor or a nuclear reactor of some sort utilizing the Lorentz Law (engineering by humans/aliens...whatever)

2) plasma balls created from lightning...

NOW...anyone there suggesting it to be something else? like bunch of traveling fireflies?

Super Grover may be responsible for some sightings..

Super Grover may be responsible for some sightings..

lets keep it serious, dude.

When was it ever :confused:

When was it ever :confused:

well your cartoon is not real, so its not serious. Meanwhile ball lightning actually does exist and magnetohydrodynamics engine is a reality.

well your cartoon is not real, so its not serious. Meanwhile ball lightning actually does exist and magnetohydrodynamics engine is a reality.

Super Grover doesn't exist ? :bugeye:
I have seen him a number of times.. :shrug:

See, the problem with this particular reality is that "scientists" cannot reach out and grab a UFO, put them in a petri dish and zoom in with their favorite microscope. To many that means "does not exist" or "silly". Truth be known, if all scientists adapted to these lazy and sub ludicrous egotistical tactics, the microscope would have never been invented in the first place.

Believe it or not, MOST, not all, but MOST of those here that come off as close minded skeptics are merely those that have had a somewhat deep past interest in the phenomenon, reached a wall of frustration, and subsequently have reached for the absolution of resolve, surrender. They gave up.

I have already posted exactly what are the three bottom line distinct possibilities for what UFOs are from a technological perspective.

here they are again:

1) There exists a completely secret air/space program that is tremendously ahead of where we are currently at with respect to standard (yet cutting edge) military technology. This organization would almost have to consist of a globally represented body of participants. I really doubt this but I cannot completely rule it out considering we successfully developed and successfully tested nuclear propulsion in the late 60s. Can you imagine where that technology is today?

2) These UFOs are primarily a visual representation of that which is operated by ET. There is far more information in the form of validated testimony and authenticated photo/film/digital info/etc. than there is for the above hypothesis. No question.

3) These UFOs (at least some) are a visual result of interdimensional navigation. It's very import to make the distinction that this could be of a human origin. It could also be of a species of being that inhabits a multi dimensional habitate that includes the one we are presently bound by. In this sense, these beings would be no more "ET" or "Space Aliens" than ourselves. They hypothetically would be much like ourselves navigating a submarine within the ocean.

Granted, some UFOs are most assuredly plasma related or other natural unfamiliar phenomenon, but ASSUREDLY, not all. There is simply too much evidence that fully supports the contrary.

Fusion reactors are workable, they have been since 1954 i believe. But they are not useful because their main purpose is to produce electricity, but MODERN ones take more electricity to use than they produce. I said modern ones because they are getting close to making it so they can produce more power than they necessitate, so essentially they are workable just not useful.

Quite simply: a power plant that doesn't actually produce power comes under the technical heading of "not working".
It's an engineering distinction and may be too abstruse for you...:rolleyes:

Well Oli, instead of making everyone feel bad about their Identifiable FO's, why dont you tell us what UFOs are yourself, the engineering aspects of it.

1) magnetohydrodynamics engine using a fusion reactor or a nuclear reactor of some sort utilizing the Lorentz Law (engineering by humans/aliens...whatever)
Haven't we been through this?
There are no workable fusion or MHD power plants for aerospace vehicles.
Aliens are speculation.
Well Oli, instead of making everyone feel bad about their Identifiable FO's, why dont you tell us what UFOs are yourself, the engineering aspects of it.
What engineering aspects?
How do you decide engineering aspects of unproven and possibly fictitious vehicles?
They're powered by jelly babies, running in little wheels like hamsters :rolleyes:

Believe it or not, MOST, not all, but MOST of those here that come off as close minded skeptics are merely those that have had a somewhat deep past interest in the phenomenon, reached a wall of frustration, and subsequently have reached for the absolution of resolve, surrender. They gave up.

Complete poppycock.

Some of us that might once have been UFO enthusiasts but found ourselves looking at things from more than one angle and then defining an outcome which only those looking from one angle alone object to.

You would understand a more accurate truth by debating other angles, for instance rather than say they can't all be man made, debate why they Can be man made. You will realise that this method of arriving at a truth does not require you to believe, it requires you to collect evidence, to remain impartial and arrive eventually at a common truth.

This is what I'd love to see done by those that "Believe", unfortunately they don't want to arrive at a truth, just harp on about some fantasy. That is why they might feel bullied or singled out, because the bubble they live in doesn't extend to everyone else.

Haven't we been through this?
There are no workable fusion or MHD power plants for aerospace vehicles.
Aliens are speculation.

yea well UFO's are speculation and explaining how they might work is the purpose of this thread.

Extremely efficient ion engines, haha. Hall thruster. ha ha

Stryder your well put UFO deniability existence story is quite fascinating but you do not mention of your hypothesis of what explains UFO's.

yea well UFO's are speculation and explaining how they might work is the purpose of this thread.

Extremely efficient ion engines, haha. Hall thruster. ha ha

And any speculation is merely that: and mostly unjustified.
Ion thrusters? You do know how much (i.e. how little) thrust they actually produce don't you?

and Oli, jellybeans with hamsters using wheels? fine...how is the lifting force created by these hamsters in a wheel? how is the UFO disk able to maintain itself against gravity? do those hamsters spin the wheel which spin the propellers? is that what ur saying?

And any speculation is merely that: and mostly unjustified.
Ion thrusters? You do know how much (i.e. how little) thrust they actually produce don't you?

10 N currently....thats why I said...."extremely efficient" k. many times more magnitude efficient.

10 N currently....thats why I said...."extremely efficient" k. many times more magnitude efficient.

Uhuh, and how much (if even possible) would they cost?
The efficiency is built in - Isp is a factor of velocity and mass - how do you get heavier ions? How do you get them out faster?

Uhuh, and how much (if even possible) would they cost?
The efficiency is built in - Isp is a factor of velocity and mass - how do you get heavier ions? How do you get them out faster?

man...there are ways

Of course there may be ways: but are they worth the cost?

Of course there may be ways: but are they worth the cost?

Oli you are swaying away from engineering aspects...don't.

costs? Apollo was a costly venture...but it was all worth it.

Oli you are swaying away from engineering aspects...don't.
If it can't be engineered then it's not "possible".
Engineering is doing something to a set price.
I would have thought that you (going for aerospace engineering) would have understood that.

costs? Apollo was a costly venture...but it was all worth it.
In other words it was decided before hand that the cost would be acceptable for the likely results: it was an engineering decision.

Complete poppycock.

Some of us that might once have been UFO enthusiasts but found ourselves looking at things from more than one angle and then defining an outcome which only those looking from one angle alone object to.

You would understand a more accurate truth by debating other angles, for instance rather than say they can't all be man made, debate why they Can be man made. You will realise that this method of arriving at a truth does not require you to believe, it requires you to collect evidence, to remain impartial and arrive eventually at a common truth.

This is what I'd love to see done by those that "Believe", unfortunately they don't want to arrive at a truth, just harp on about some fantasy. That is why they might feel bullied or singled out, because the bubble they live in doesn't extend to everyone else.

"A fact is a simple statement that everyone believes. It is innocent, unless found guilty. A hypothesis is a novel suggestion that no one wants to believe. It is guilty, until found effective."

Edward Teller

Incidentally, to conclude that ANYTHING can only be one way, for any length of time, even hypothetically, is not only down right stupid, it's absolutely dangerous.

Well Lets see Draqon:

Firstly, the Historic UFO's that people saw tended to be Kites and even Balloons. It's known that both were actually used by Generals as observation platforms, to view over battlefields, albeit the Chinese Kites weren't just for war.

The number of UFO sightings tends to also mirror our own technological advances in aviation. Of course there are Prototypes made by Civilians, Corporations and Military alike. Incidentally the patent laws are a bit funny, where if you talk about something or show something in depth prior to patenting it can actually fail it's application. So if you create something new that flies and test it, you have to keep it secret or you might lose your "invention". (Incidentally there are people with prototype hovercars that they keep in their garages etc and occasionally take out, I doubt they inform the local airspace when they do so the only record of their joyride trip is the onlookers that claim they saw a UFO)

Satellites can actually be seen from earth if they have light sources on board, I've even seen them myself although the ones I've seen are usually weather satellites. Since they are moving pretty fast at a low enough orbit, incidentally they can change their direction pretty quickly with the firing of a thruster.

There is then obviously normal aircraft, these can be Civilian, Commercial and of course Military. There are also Airballoons and Airships. airballoons can come in a variety of shapes, they don't necessarily have beacons on board or necessarily communicate with Air Traffic Controllers. Obviously they don't have much control over what direction they go, however if they hit the right winds at the right height they can appear to accelerate to hundreds of miles per hour in seconds. (Incidentally one of the many things that people sighting UFOs tend to identify in the crafts change in direction or velocity)

There is of course Weather balloons which are near enough obsolete now and RCV's (Radio Controlled Vehicles) along with the Amateur Rocket enthusiasts that often send rockets up into the sky.

In fact there are some documents in the Declassified section of the FBI library on a number of Balloons fitted with hazardous components that were launch during the 1940-50's. (For instance balloons with Circular saw blades attached) The FBI made it important to investigate UFO claims because of the potential loss of life should one of these "prank" balloons cause death or dismemberment.

Also during the end of the Second world war the Japanese launch a "balloon Bombing" method of attacking the US. Not many of the balloons made it, however there were a few causalities on US soil. (In fact historically it was the only mainland bombing that occurred on US soil during that period)

That covers pretty much the man made and it ranges from craft built to do a job, through entertainment, right down to full on pranks.

Then we have "natural phenomena" this can range anything from raining fish after a tornado, to ball lightening. These are not common occurrences, they only occur every so often.

Then we have the "Doesn't fit into any of these" Category, which for the most part nothing has ever reached that category. (Incidentally when something doesn't fit into any of them, it doesn't have to be alien in origin. It could be a natural phenomena not yet seen by human eyes, a prank not yet pulled, time travel, the universe taking a dump or any other number of possibilities.)

This is why I don't see little green men fixing their Z-rays to obliterate everyone or anything equally as daft.

Incidentally, to conclude that ANYTHING can only be one way, for any length of time, even hypothetically, is not only down right stupid, it's absolutely dangerous.

If you understand that, then you also understand why those people you see as skeptic's are harsh on people. Not all of those skeptic's just poke fun and laugh at what they might see as idiots, some are just not articulate enough to point out that they should perhaps look at more than one angle.

well Stryder you don't want to believe, don't believe. But as the X-Files dude said it, "I want to believe"

so, haha.

well Stryder you don't want to believe, don't believe. But as the X-Files dude said it, "I want to believe"

so, haha.
Unfortunately belief doesn't actually make things real.

Unfortunately belief doesn't actually make things real.

but actions from the belief does make things real.

For example, believing in God is useless you say? but acting upon the bible commandments' words of God is useful for sure.

For example, believing in UFO is useless you and Stryder say...but acting to make it reality by shaping an engineering concept of what UFO can be might provide useful after all.

Oh....Earth is flat so I not dare dream in a belief that it is a sphere, but when Earth was proven to be a sphere (well close to it) what than? were did the critics go?

but actions from the belief does make things real.

For example, believing in God is useless you say? but acting upon the bible commandments' words of God is useful for sure.

For example, believing in UFO is useless you and Stryder say...but acting to make it reality by shaping an engineering concept of what UFO can be might provide useful after all.

Oh....Earth is flat so I not dare dream in a belief that it is a sphere, but when Earth was proven to be a sphere (well close to it) what than? were did the critics go?


Draqon making a flying craft and calling it a UFO doesn't make it one. after all you've identified that you made it, it's obviously not an object and it only flys when you make it. So "belief does not make it so".

but actions from the belief does make things real.
Depending upon circumstances.

For example, believing in God is useless you say? but acting upon the bible commandments' words of God is useful for sure.
Only if the words are carefully selected before being acted upon...

For example, believing in UFO is useless you and Stryder say...but acting to make it reality by shaping an engineering concept of what UFO can be might provide useful after all.
Arrant nonsense: if that were the case then by your logic all aircraft are UFOs (or were conceptually).
BELIEVING in something does nothing - working on it is what brings thhings about.
You do not need a belief in UFOs to investigate exotic powerplants/ vehicle shapes or modes of flight - they will be done by the aerospace industry anyway.
And one some half-wit will shout "Look a real UFO!" and the designer will shrug and say "It was a logical progression... but it ain't a UFO"

Oh....Earth is flat so I not dare dream in a belief that it is a sphere, but when Earth was proven to be a sphere (well close to it) what than? were did the critics go?
Where did the critics go?
They were still around but either now educated or proven to be deluded.

Draqon making a flying craft and calling it a UFO doesn't make it one. after all you've identified that you made it, it's obviously not an object and it only flys when you make it. So "belief does not make it so".

well Mr. Atheist, as you wish. I made a UFO an IFO. I made a GOD my own concept of a belief. I found an unknown purpose of life to be known by creating new life from my seed.

Let the undefined be defined. Science does precisely just that.

You do not need a belief in UFOs to investigate exotic powerplants/ vehicle shapes or modes of flight - they will be done by the aerospace industry anyway.


you do need a belief in something (maybe not UFO) to do something else, like investigate exotic powerplants/vehicle shapes/modes of flight

you do need a belief in something (maybe not UFO) to do something else, like investigate exotic powerplants/vehicle shapes/modes of flight

Utter nonsense: all you need is the paycheck at the end of each month.:D

You don't need a belief in the way people believe in god: all you need is the (afvourable) cost/ benefit analysis and approval from the accounts department.

If you understand that, then you also understand why those people you see as skeptic's are harsh on people. Not all of those skeptic's just poke fun and laugh at what they might see as idiots, some are just not articulate enough to point out that they should perhaps look at more than one angle.

Stryder/Oli
This is the "thing" about skeptics that grates me. It's when they take a tone with "believers" that somehow they are "above" them in some pseudo authoritative fashion.

You see, whether a skeptic's belief is perhaps a more or less healthy belief, it's still a belief nonetheless. With respect for the mechanics of cognitive thought, a belief is a belief. Because science is for ever changing what is "accepted fact", beliefs are most assuredly the precursor to the absolute uncertainty of reality itself.

That's precisely what Teller was referring to in the quote I provided. It's about the scientific social mind set. Einstein had perhaps the greatest grasp of the philosophical application of relativity in all things. This knowledge in practice is completely missing with respect to the predictable empirical mind set.

Let me elucidate via Einstein's own words:

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

Albert Einstein

I provide this not as some lazy "appeal to authority" because the subjective nature of the application precludes authority. Rather, it is my hope that such a perspective can possibly serve as an exemplification of a healthy alternative to empirical predisposition.

Nothing is constant but change.

Someday UFOs will be understood. Until then we should retain an open and healthy even perspective for that which is hypothetically possible. The ardent skeptic's notion for that which is possible is most assuredly a moot point. Although no consideration is complete without a vast amount of healthy skepticism.

From this I can gather that in and of itself, skepticism is a crucial quality for discerning hypothesis. Whereas being a skeptic is a boundary waiting to predictably limit the ever expanding context of reality.

I believe this renders the skeptic a rebellious and foolish student, and the quality of skepticism the staff of a wise teacher.

thank you electrafixtion.

This is an alien that was found not long ago.

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/ALIEN9.jpg


Well this picture could only be of a earth life form, or a life form from our solar system, or a life form from the Alpha Centuari System.
The choices are limited.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

Well this picture could only be of a earth life form, or a life form from our solar system, or a life form from the Alpha Centuari System.
The choices are limited.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

What makes you say that ?

Well Enoms... That is atcually Classified information,TOP SECRET... Based on a need to criteria.

Why do you want to Know? have you seen one latly?

Well Really to tell the truth it is Classified Information, but because I am a Genius and not a goverment employee there are special privileges afforded to the general pulbic, exspecially to people on internet chat forums, where I can make mad periodic mad dashes to avoid Pentagon security and other international goverment regulatory agencies.

The reason I say that is because the structure of the life forms body in the picture can only occur in the places I named earlier (Earth, within the solar system or Alpha Centauri ).

The physical form can only take place in certain solar systems. For example A snake or a tree could actually come from any of the solar systems, but not every type life form can take form in every system. They could however travel to anoter solar system and live in very small locations or tracts of land. but they lose size, body weight and a certain amount of cell function.


I am wanted by the aliens as well for educating humans.



DwayneD.L.Rabon

Stryder/Oli
This is the "thing" about skeptics that grates me. It's when they take a tone with "believers" that somehow they are "above" them in some pseudo authoritative fashion.
Rubbish.

You see, whether a skeptic's belief is perhaps a more or less healthy belief, it's still a belief nonetheless.
So what?
A false belief is a false belief: as the saying goes - everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but no one is entitled to his own facts.
Well Enoms... That is atcually Classified information,TOP SECRET... Based on a need to criteria.
Sheer bollocks.

Well Really to tell the truth it is Classified Information, but because I am a Genius and not a goverment employee there are special privileges afforded to the general pulbic, exspecially to people on internet chat forums, where I can make mad periodic mad dashes to avoid Pentagon security and other international goverment regulatory agencies.
Complete rubbish from start to finish.

The reason I say that is because the structure of the life forms body in the picture can only occur in the places I named earlier (Earth, within the solar system or Alpha Centauri ).
And as usual you're talking out your arse.

I am wanted by the aliens as well for educating humans.:rolleyes:

Well Enoms... That is atcually Classified information,TOP SECRET... Based on a need to criteria.

Why do you want to Know? have you seen one latly?

Well Really to tell the truth it is Classified Information, but because I am a Genius and not a goverment employee there are special privileges afforded to the general pulbic, exspecially to people on internet chat forums, where I can make mad periodic mad dashes to avoid Pentagon security and other international goverment regulatory agencies.

The reason I say that is because the structure of the life forms body in the picture can only occur in the places I named earlier (Earth, within the solar system or Alpha Centauri ).

The physical form can only take place in certain solar systems. For example A snake or a tree could actually come from any of the solar systems, but not every type life form can take form in every system. They could however travel to anoter solar system and live in very small locations or tracts of land. but they lose size, body weight and a certain amount of cell function.


I am wanted by the aliens as well for educating humans.



DwayneD.L.Rabon

Ho-hum! Just more garbage nonsense from the Garbage Kid!!! (Looks like he's gone off his medications again, too.)

Ho-hum! Just more garbage nonsense from the Garbage Kid!!! (Looks like he's gone off his medications again, too.)

Yea.. and he didn't even answer my question.. lol

Dwayne, get help.

It's an intergalactic vehicle that can travel near the speed of light and is so sophisticated...that it needs lights?

No, wait. Its a sophisticated alien vehicle, the occupants of which spend most of their time trying to be anonymous, that flies around in vivid display.

Yea.. and he didn't even answer my question.. lol

Ok Enoms you have to be more specific, As i told you the information is top secret...on a need to know basis.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

It's an intergalactic vehicle that can travel near the speed of light and is so sophisticated...that it needs lights?

No, wait. Its a sophisticated alien vehicle, the occupants of which spend most of their time trying to be anonymous, that flies around in vivid display.

Of course dude, they got's a Blaupunkt and chrome 19" spinners too! Phat! These alienz know how to roll, ....

Ok Enoms you have to be more specific, As i told you the information is top secret...on a need to know basis.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

Oh, sure, Rabon. And just WHO would be stupid enough to tell YOU any secrets? After all, you aren't even allowed to drive OR even leave home unescorted! (Didn't realize we knew that, did you??)

Oh, sure, Rabon. And just WHO would be stupid enough to tell YOU any secrets? After all, you aren't even allowed to drive OR even leave home unescorted! (Didn't realize we knew that, did you??)

By orders of the MIB, I'm sure.

It's an intergalactic vehicle that can travel near the speed of light and is so sophisticated...that it needs lights?

No, wait. Its a sophisticated alien vehicle, the occupants of which spend most of their time trying to be anonymous, that flies around in vivid display.

the light is a byproduct of a propulsion element of the vehicle, just like the light of the rocket exhaust.

Well.... Hell The fact that the Pentagon and Various International Goverments have agents following me around to steal my documentaion and my advanced reserach data shows whos got the secrets. The fact remains that they don't have the formula or the secrets their the one trying to get clearance.
The aliens Placed me under a gag order (order of silence) because the destructive behavior of these groups. So I try to petal information to the general public.
So I have to Sneak around from place to place, treminal to terminal to post on the forums.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

Well this picture could only be of a earth life form, or a life form from our solar system, or a life form from the Alpha Centuari System.

What makes you say that ?

Ok Enoms you have to be more specific, As i told you the information is top secret...on a need to know basis.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

How do you know that said life form can only be from our solar system or the Alpha Centuari System ? And why ?

Top secret huh ? So how do you know it ?

Well.... Hell The fact that the Pentagon and Various International Goverments have agents following me around to steal my documentaion and my advanced reserach data shows whos got the secrets. The fact remains that they don't have the formula or the secrets their the one trying to get clearance.
The aliens Placed me under a gag order (order of silence) because the destructive behavior of these groups. So I try to petal information to the general public.
So I have to Sneak around from place to place, treminal to terminal to post on the forums.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

Oh, man! The Garbage Kid has gone completely off the deep end now!!!!!

Rabon, here's a deal for you. There are some of us here that know most of your REAL dirty little secrets. Like WHY you'll never be able to drive a car, why you cannot leave home unescorted, why you had to leave public school and be home-taught, etc., etc.

If you'll just GO AWAY and stop posting all your nonsense, it will remain a secret to the rest of those here. BUT if you continue putting up this garbage, I'll post it for EVERYONE to read.

So which will it be??? I'd strongly suggest that you just leave quitely - and STAY GONE!!!!:bugeye:

Oh, man! The Garbage Kid has gone completely off the deep end now!!!!!

Rabon, here's a deal for you. There are some of us here that know most of your REAL dirty little secrets. Like WHY you'll never be able to drive a car, why you cannot leave home unescorted, why you had to leave public school and be home-taught, etc., etc.

If you'll just GO AWAY and stop posting all your nonsense, it will remain a secret to the rest of those here. BUT if you continue putting up this garbage, I'll post it for EVERYONE to read.

So which will it be??? I'd strongly suggest that you just leave quitely - and STAY GONE!!!!:bugeye:

I'm curious now... what is it ? :D

I'm curious now... what is it ? :D

Sorry - I've made him an offer and will have to stick with it. The rest is up to the Garbage Kid himself.

Well Enoms... That is atcually Classified information,TOP SECRET... Based on a need to criteria.

Why do you want to Know? have you seen one latly?

Well Really to tell the truth it is Classified Information, but because I am a Genius and not a goverment employee there are special privileges afforded to the general pulbic, exspecially to people on internet chat forums, where I can make mad periodic mad dashes to avoid Pentagon security and other international goverment regulatory agencies.

The reason I say that is because the structure of the life forms body in the picture can only occur in the places I named earlier (Earth, within the solar system or Alpha Centauri ).

The physical form can only take place in certain solar systems. For example A snake or a tree could actually come from any of the solar systems, but not every type life form can take form in every system. They could however travel to anoter solar system and live in very small locations or tracts of land. but they lose size, body weight and a certain amount of cell function.


I am wanted by the aliens as well for educating humans.



DwayneD.L.Rabon

Yeeeees, I see.

...Happeh?

Oli, you're being quite openminded about this. Kudos.

I'm curious now... what is it ? :D

Just a footnote in case you might have missed it. In less than a minute after I posted my offer to him, he went offline. Perhaps that's a good sign - here's hoping...

Regarding lights on an alien craft.

I think that it makes perfect sense that it would (not saying we have been visited). We have lights on all our flying craft, why wouldn't they. We have to assume that if they have a craft that can cross the distances of space that they would at the very least have lights on it and in it. Probably damn good ones at that. Unless we assume they only fly during the day which would be ridiculous.

Seeing that we recently broke the invisible 3d hurdle, and have engaged in anti-radar stealth technology for 20+ years, imagine the tech they would have if they could come here. I am not saying they have or are, but if so and understanding the complexities and hurdles to such travel we should keep an open mind, but not an irrational one.

Regarding lights on an alien craft.

I think that it makes perfect sense that it would (not saying we have been visited). We have lights on all our flying craft, why wouldn't they.

I don't think any craft currently in service that re-enters the Earth's atmosphere has running lights, ....

I don't think any craft currently in service that re-enters the Earth's atmosphere has running lights, ....

oh so a craft that enters Earth atmosphere has no plasma glowing about it, emitting photons? ... :rolleyes:

Seeing that we recently broke the invisible 3d hurdle,
Invisdible third hurdle?
Please elucidate.

and have engaged in anti-radar stealth technology for 20+ years,
Try 40-50+ years, at minimum.

oh so a craft that enters Earth atmosphere has no plasma glowing about it, emitting photons? ... :rolleyes:
Which isn't the same as running lights.

Oli, you're being quite openminded about this. Kudos.
Open minded?
Me?
:eek:

I do know for a fact that Rabon is either lying or seriously deluded.

Open minded?
Me?
:eek:

I do know for a fact that Rabon is either lying or seriously deluded.

Well, both, actually - with special emphasis on the latter.

He has a serious mental condition that allows him to make up his own "facts" and then to believe that they are true. He thinks that just by his saying it is so MAKES it so.

I originally felt sorry for him because of his condition. However, he is SO obnoxious that it's impossible to maintain that attitude.

If he believes it then he isn't lying.

If he believes it then he isn't lying.

He begins by not believing it himself - but once having spoken it, he falls under the delusion that it MUST be true because he said so. (Classical circular reasoning but also coupled with a faulty mind.)

Also, he's had the presence of mind in the distant past to go back and delete whole series of posts that he's made. Meaning that he had a flash of "normalcy" for short period and realized how stupid he had been earlier. (But sadly, he hasn't had one of those "periods" in over a couple of years at the very least.)

Phlog,

"I don't think any craft currently in service that re-enters the Earth's atmosphere has running lights"

You are correct on landing/running lights because we light up the runways from what I can tell. Not to split hairs but they do have external lighting that is used.

http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/catalog/Category.aspx?CategoryName=Space+Vehicle+Lighting

But I am pretty sure our lunar landers had docking lights. Because there wouldn't be a welcoming party.

If we were creating a craft to take people places beyond our solar system, say in 150 years from now, wishfull thinking, I think we would put some damn good lights on it IMO. Maybe we wouldn't turn em on and buzz their version of Stephenville, but we would have them.

Oli,

"Invisdible third hurdle?
Please elucidate."

Scientist recently have broken the three dimensional invisible hurdle. They created a fabric which could bend light around an object. If you wrapped yourself in this fabric and I looked at you, I would see the person standing behind you. IMO, humble opinion. This would be something that the military would have been working on for some time and would probably want to incorporate it into all sorts of equiptment.

40-50 years + of anti stealth, fair enough but I was trying to be conservative on when we as the public were informed about stealth planes, not in our military's attempt to get around radar systems in many other ways. I was specifically referring to known successes such as the first combat stealth planes, I believe were F117's in the 80's.

Open minded?
Me?
:eek:

Sorry; not trying to alarm you.

No, you're just a very rational person and I was impressed that you'd consider the possibility. I'm sort of sitting on the fence also. I fall into the "wouldn't it be nice if" category.

I do know for a fact that Rabon is either lying or seriously deluded.

No disagreements there.

40-50 years + of anti stealth, fair enough but I was trying to be conservative on when we as the public were informed about stealth planes, not in our military's attempt to get around radar systems in many other ways. I was specifically referring to known successes such as the first combat stealth planes, I believe were F117's in the 80's.
Um, SR-71?
(For the most publicly known one, we Brits were working on a Canberra with RAM in the 50's that I know of).

Um, SR-71?
(For the most publicly known one, we Brits were working on a Canberra with RAM in the 50's that I know of).

I seldom disagree with you, Oli, but you missed the mark on that one.

The SR-71 was neither stealthy nor a combat plane. It depended solely on flying at high altitudes for safety (which didn't last too long, either) and was equipped for recon missions only.

oh so a craft that enters Earth atmosphere has no plasma glowing about it, emitting photons? ... :rolleyes:

Like Oli said, not the same thing. For a supposed aeronautics student, you display a shoddy grasp of just about everything.

I seldom disagree with you, Oli, but you missed the mark on that one.

The SR-71 was neither stealthy nor a combat plane. It depended solely on flying at high altitudes for safety (which didn't last too long, either) and was equipped for recon missions only.

The SR-71 was designed as a stealth aircraft.

"There were a number of features in the SR-71 that were designed to reduce its radar signature. The first studies in radar stealth technology seemed to indicate that a shape with flattened, tapering sides would reflect most radar away from the place where the radar beams originated. To this end, the radar engineers suggested adding chines (see below) to the design and canting the vertical control surfaces inward. The plane also used special radar-absorbing materials which were incorporated into sawtooth shaped sections of the skin of the aircraft, as well as cesium-based fuel additives to reduce the exhaust plumes' visibility on radar."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-71_Blackbird#Stealth

It was indeed a strategic reconnaissance aircraft and no combat aircraft, but damn it you can't beat its looks ! :D

http://blogs.jobdig.com/wwds/files/2007/11/sr71_1.jpg

The SR-71 was neither stealthy nor a combat plane.
SR-71 incorporated shaping for stealth and huge amounts of RAM (radar absrbent material) in its main structure.
And it was developed from the A-11 and YF-12A which were combat aircraft. In fact the AIM-54 Phoenix as carried by F-14 Tomcat was developed from the missile intended to arm YF-12A.
Although I doubt you'd find many professionals who consider reconnaisance to be a non-combat duty...

And the designation was originally intended to be RS-71 (Recce/ Strike), it had (as designed) a secondary role in long-range attack of strategic targets which was never put into action.