Let's assume that the following list, that anywhere from ten's-of-thousands to billions believe to be true, was in fact true:

- God exists and is involved in your everyday life
- The Devil exists and is involved in your everyday life (attempting to counter the effects of God)
- Aliens (UFO's) are regularly visiting and abducting us
- Ghosts and Spirits are around us and make themselves known occasionally
- Your everyday life and destiny is predicted by the exact alignment of celestial objects at the moment of your birth
- Humans can move objects with their minds
- Humans can, and regularly do, have visions that accurately predict the future
- Jesus appears regularly in the form of various fruits and vegetables and whatnot
- When you die you will be reborn as a renewed human or other creature
- Angels hover around you as protectors and guides
- Wishful thinking can help the sick and dying and help to make it rain (among many other things)

That's enough for now. What would the world actually be like? I think it would be a neverending kickass thrill ride!

Imagine all of the alien/demon-angel battle/psychic/horror/divine-apocalypse/mystical/PSI power movies ever made, all happening all the time, for real.

Kickass!

Are you high? :m:

Umm... yes.

yeah sure , it would be an kickass world :grin:

:m:

if everyone belived that how you acted in this life decided what you respawned/incarnated as next life. then people would be peaceful, unless they truly believed that doing something bad was good.

listen to the song 'imagine' by 'a perfect circle'

It would be a better world if everyone left everyone else believe in whatever they want to instead of forcing everyone to believe in whatever they happen to believe in at the moment. :)

Superluminal I agree, it would be a great world, and you might be interested to know that I have some evidence of, and believe very strongly in, some of the things you have suggested. For example, I have actually seen extra-terrestrials in my house! :eek: Cool I know, and actually true (take it or leave it non-believers)! :D

Superluminal I agree, it would be a great world, and you might be interested to know that I have some evidence of, and believe very strongly in, some of the things you have suggested. For example, I have actually seen extra-terrestrials in my house! Cool I know, and actually true (take it or leave it non-believers)!
no you haven't, shut up.

read the book "demon haunted world, science as a candle in the dark" by Carl Sagan. if you do not have access to the book I will send it to you for free, if you pay the shipping, which would probably be about $5.

I would like to add: what evidence do you have that they were extra-terrestrials? and what evidence do you have that they were not a hallucination?

listen to the song 'imagine' by 'a perfect circle'

Or by john lennon. You know, the guy that wrote the song and made it famous long before they did their arangement of it..

Besides, even that song's lyrics contain bad ideas if you think about them.

But, to the point:

Yeah, that would kick some ass. There is this little theory that my friends and I have along these lines involving media.
It would be fun though, wouldn't it.

I'm not sure that things would be as peaceful as vslayer would like to think though. A huge portion of the population already 'believes' things of that nature. It's amazing how much twisting can be done by the human mind. Historically speaking, a majority of the violence perpetrated in this world by humans was over the very ideas that Vslayer thinks would cause us to live in peace.

Religion is not a magical band-aid that can fix all the problems of humanity.

Imagine all of the alien/demon-angel battle/psychic/horror/divine-apocalypse/mystical/PSI power movies ever made, all happening all the time, for real.

Kickass!

Actually humans would probably find something else (not on your list) to beleive in... and movies would be based on those things.

mephura,

1. ok then, i just havent really listened to much beatles, so this is the first i heard of it.

2. religion seems to be a pretty good blindfold for people at the moment, so surely if we washed it and started over with a fresh piece of cloth it could become this worlds bandaid.

blindfold being the operative word.
as for a bandaid, more like putting salt on the wound.

no you haven't, shut up. Yes I have!

...what evidence do you have that they were extra-terrestrials? I have no evidence, except that I actually saw them!
...and what evidence do you have that they were not a hallucination? Okay, so I'd been taking L.S.D at the time, but this was different to hallucinating. They were actually there! I would like to ask why you find it so hard to believe. You sound to me like a person who wants to believe but wants some hard evidence. Well sorry I can't provide any, but you just have to believe. :)

-- God exists and is involved in your everyday life
- The Devil exists and is involved in your everyday life (attempting to counter the effects of God)
- Aliens (UFO's) are regularly visiting and abducting us
- Ghosts and Spirits are around us and make themselves known occasionally
- Your everyday life and destiny is predicted by the exact alignment of celestial objects at the moment of your birth
- Humans can move objects with their minds
- Humans can, and regularly do, have visions that accurately predict the future
- Jesus appears regularly in the form of various fruits and vegetables and whatnot
- When you die, you will go to Heaven or Hell for an eternity of Pleasure/Torment
- When you die you will be reborn as a renewed human or other creature
- You can contact your dead relatives for a post-mortem update on the afterlife
- Angels hover around you as protectors and guides
- Wishful thinking can help the sick and dying and help to make it rain (among many other things)


Sounds like a Hollywood Movie. ;)


Okay, so I'd been taking L.S.D at the time, but this was different to hallucinating. They were actually there! I would like to ask why you find it so hard to believe. You sound to me like a person who wants to believe but wants some hard evidence. Well sorry I can't provide any, but you just have to believe.

I don't have to believe in space aliens, I'm one of them!. ;)

I was the guy who fooled Moses and spoke by amplifying my voice through a burning bush, I latter came back as Judas and turned to Jesus then betrayed him, so he could be nailed to the cross. (who would of thought that so many humans took a little bit of magic tricks so damn seriously)

Jesus was anohter friend of mine from an alien planet near the one where I was originally conseived. And he had bet me that he could become famous here in this despotic, unzivilized little world just by preaching a little thing called love. I took the bet, then he made me betray him to the Romans to nail his ass to the cross, this was the clincher so he claimed. Quess it worked!. He's laughing all the way to the bank. :rolleyes:

We have come here, many times assimilating humans bodies when they are born and challenge one-another who would become famous for idiotic crap. LOL. I've beaten him a few times, then he just throws the "jesus" scene at me, and says I'll never top that one.

I'm still working on it, I also claim. I can't let you know which other personalities we've have become throught out the history of the world, this would't be any fun you see. All that I can tell ya, though is that we either into politics, science, or big time criminals. That one game is real fun! He's won a few of those himself.

Godless

- When you die, you will go to Heaven or Hell for an eternity of Pleasure/Torment
- When you die you will be reborn as a renewed human or other creature
- You can contact your dead relatives for a post-mortem update on the afterlife

Where's the contradiction?

Godless, did you come back as Bush.. or did Jesus?

heh..

Where's the contradiction?

Oops! Can't do both I guess. Let's stick with the reincarnation one! (Let me fix the opening post...)


<strike> - When you die, you will go to Heaven or Hell for an eternity of Pleasure/Torment</strike>
- When you die you will be reborn as a renewed human or other creature
<strike>- You can contact your dead relatives for a post-mortem update on the afterlife</strike>

Since the center option is mutually exclusive of the other two.

Thanks SouthStar for keeping this sober and rational thread on an even footing. ;)

Sober and rational? Where? :confused:

Sober and rational? Where?

I've noticed that there is a general difficulty here with what I consider to be simple sarcasm and wit. Is it a language thing?

Unless TruthSeeker is extending that to an even more subtle level that I'm missing???

People would be freaking out.

I've noticed that there is a general difficulty here with what I consider to be simple sarcasm and wit. Is it a language thing?

Unless TruthSeeker is extending that to an even more subtle level that I'm missing???
I'm the king of subtle sarcasm.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about you. I'm just talking about the whole humanity...
I think that actually goes back to the original idea. Who's sober in this world? Maybe all this is true and we don't even realize it? I don't know.... Maybe I'm just baked or something.

I keep thinking this forums is a strange scientific experiment by the US government and the space aliens "Greys" from Zeta Reticuli.... :confused:

What would be kick-ass is if every pantheon which had ever been imagined my humanity actually existed, and were competing for the belief of the human race in order to achieve "Celestial Supremacy".

"UFO aliens" would in fact be mere charlatans attempting to convince primitive Earthbound hairless Rebel Apes that they were a race of hitherto unknown - and "One True" deities, but would really just be after Earth's vast cache of bubble gum and cheap cigars.
Human "psychic powers" would be brought about by one of their cheapest parlor tricks, as part of their deceitful trickery.

Eventually, a "Cosmic Peace" would come to pass when all Gods united to stamp out the extra-terrestrials (atheists all, even their "disinto-death-rays" would be no match for the combined mojo of the Deific Strike Force), and bring about an Eternal Combined Aspect Heaven in which all manner of hereafters were joined as one, all sinners were granted amnesty, and everybody got a piece of tasty ice cream cake to boot !


All except Jehovah, who would be forced to spend eternity sitting in a featureless room painted fluorescent pink, listening to an endlessly repeating tape loop of John Lennon's "Imagine"...

:p
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Thanks SouthStar for keeping this sober and rational thread on an even footing.

Wouldn't want you to fall over.

The aliens like to probe when your back is turned.

Damn, this is gettig good...

Let's assume that the following list, that anywhere from ten's-of-thousands to billions believe to be true, was in fact true:

- God exists and is involved in your everyday life
- The Devil exists and is involved in your everyday life (attempting to counter the effects of God)
- Aliens (UFO's) are regularly visiting and abducting us
- Ghosts and Spirits are around us and make themselves known occasionally
- Your everyday life and destiny is predicted by the exact alignment of celestial objects at the moment of your birth
- Humans can move objects with their minds
- Humans can, and regularly do, have visions that accurately predict the future
- Jesus appears regularly in the form of various fruits and vegetables and whatnot
- When you die you will be reborn as a renewed human or other creature
- Angels hover around you as protectors and guides
- Wishful thinking can help the sick and dying and help to make it rain (among many other things)

That's enough for now. What would the world actually be like? I think it would be a neverending kickass thrill ride!

Imagine all of the alien/demon-angel battle/psychic/horror/divine-apocalypse/mystical/PSI power movies ever made, all happening all the time, for real.

Kickass!

SL,

I don't want to bum your post SL, "however", as I am wont to say from time to time,the God of Deuterononmy who told the Jews under his direct persuasion to, "enter the land of Si'hon and kill every man, woman and little child", well and if you don't mind of course, but when this piece of shit gets within arms length of me when, "involved in my, everyday life", well I'm personally going to process the motherfucker through a wood chipper.

Geistkiesel. :cool:

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Silly Person...!!!

Know you not that It Is Written :

"Your Arm's Too Short To Box With God...!"

geist:

I don't want to bum your post SL, "however", as I am wont to say from time to time,the God of Deuterononmy who told the Jews under his direct persuasion to, "enter the land of Si'hon and kill every man, woman and little child", well and if you don't mind of course, but when this piece of shit gets within arms length of me when, "involved in my, everyday life", well I'm personally going to process the motherfucker through a wood chipper.

You think this "bums" me? Ha! You should read my posting history regarding religion. You should have posted this in the religion sub in the "If you had the chance..." thread! :D

first off i dont believe in god...i believe in a more powerful force...i call it fate...fate controls every thing you cannot deny fate...it deturmines everyones actions even me typing right now...but thats me :m: :eek:

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I deny fate...

Fate... God...

Delusory concepts prompted by the insatiable need for description.

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Let's assume that the following list, that anywhere from ten's-of-thousands to billions believe to be true, was in fact true:

- God exists and is involved in your everyday life
- The Devil exists and is involved in your everyday life (attempting to counter the effects of God)
- Aliens (UFO's) are regularly visiting and abducting us
- Ghosts and Spirits are around us and make themselves known occasionally
- Your everyday life and destiny is predicted by the exact alignment of celestial objects at the moment of your birth
- Humans can move objects with their minds
- Humans can, and regularly do, have visions that accurately predict the future
- Jesus appears regularly in the form of various fruits and vegetables and whatnot
- When you die you will be reborn as a renewed human or other creature
- Angels hover around you as protectors and guides
- Wishful thinking can help the sick and dying and help to make it rain (among many other things)

That's enough for now. What would the world actually be like? I think it would be a neverending kickass thrill ride!

Imagine all of the alien/demon-angel battle/psychic/horror/divine-apocalypse/mystical/PSI power movies ever made, all happening all the time, for real.

Kickass!
Well, the world would be a better place, I would think. Much cooler, but really weird...

none can be saved outside the church eh?

true enough.

It would be more chaotic than it is now.

none can be saved outside the church eh?

true enough.

I'm sure they like to think so...

Sounds Imperious, at any rate.

Of course - the other churches think pretty much the same thing, as you doubtless know.

;)

and u forgot to mention that the world would be better without michael jackson and michael moore and simple plan :)

yeah and geist, no one was really contradicting this kids post, so why would u do it? really, what kind of purpose was ur post? was it really to show off ur hate for god?? well .. how bout u keep that to ur-self , unless of coarse this is a subthread:"Haters of God" then by all means go ahead and critize him, and go on to worship ur cult, but start ur own thread for that, thanx.. thats all i ask

but most people do look athiest in here..

think about it 4 1 sec...if you try to deny fate somthing will happen to push you back on the path it set 4 u...like i was in wisconson and i was about to go into a store and 4 no reason i fell into the store behind me where my uncle was...it was wierd...im not saying you have to beleive me but consider the possibility that we do not really control our own own lives...its kinda scary if you think about it

if you try to deny fate somthing will happen to push you back on the path it set 4 u...

This depiction of fate as having intent sounds to me suspisciously like the notion of "God"
A "super-natural" Thingy with a plan... a Grand Design.

I submit that no such design exists.
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the design exist and in the bible it says that god gave us a choice and that in fact cannot be true if there is a "grand design" and sence god cannot sin and lieing is a sin than can god infact exist?

can god infact exist?
NO.

This depiction of fate as having intent sounds to me suspisciously like the notion of "God"
A "super-natural" Thingy with a plan... a Grand Design.

I submit that no such design exists.
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I submit that there is not, and can never be reliable evidence to support a claim to either point - design or lack thereof. Attempts to infer such a design infer attempts to discern intention, which is clearly retarded.

andes if there is such a design then would we have not figured it out by now...and if we did figure this "design" out then we as ppl would really **** up the universe...cause then we would be able to twist this design to sute our likings and therfore this design may exist but6 we do not have sufficient evidence to support this grand scheme

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if we did figure this "design" out then we as ppl would really **** up the universe...cause then we would be able to twist this design to sute our likings - inuyaSHA0004


Just for the sake of argument, not necessarily.
Knowing how the sun works, for example, doesn't mean you can turn it off if you feel like it.


;)

yes but think about it if we know the future we could change it and make it good or bad

It is not that simple. Look at quantum physics. There's still a lot of work to be done...
Quantum Physics makes us realize that the reductionist perspective does not work in the deepest mysteries of the universe. It seems we still have a lot to learn about it.

yes it is not that simple and i tried to put it in turms most people would understand. and that is my thinking.

yes but think about it if we know the future we could change it and make it good or bad
How do you define "good" or "bad" in non-subjective terms?

ya i guess ur right

Well, that is certainly a philosophical question that we need to ponder about.
However, not in this thread....

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I think the question connects in some sense to the original concept of the thread...

Consider:

If "fate" were immutable, knowing the future would be inconsequential, since whatever was "supposed" to occur would happen regardless of foreknowledge.

Either the foreknowledge would be part of the "Grand Design", or events would conspire to render any meddling it might result in meaningless.

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hmmmmmm...i guess that i don't know as much about my own beliefs as i thought

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I think the question connects in some sense to the original concept of the thread...

Consider:

If "fate" were immutable, knowing the future would be inconsequential, since whatever was "supposed" to occur would happen regardless of foreknowledge.

Either the foreknowledge would be part of the "Grand Design", or events would conspire to render any meddling it might result in meaningless.
I would think the first would be the more precise one. If foreknowledge and fate coexist, then all teh foreknowledge that someone would have would result in fate itself. People would simply act it out. Even if someone would foresee something that they didn't want to happen to them, they would act in acertain way, trying to avoid it, but their actions would actually shape the future in the way that the had foreseen it.

I vaguely remember a movie about that. I don't remember the title or anything. All I can remember is that the MC heard some artist in the street (one of those "statues" that move) telling him/her a few things about the future, including the MCs death. He told the MC that there would be an earthquake in a certain day and a certain time, a plane would crash, and the MC would die in a certain day. At first, the MC didn't believe. But the earthquake happened and the plane crashed, so the MC started believing it. Once the MC started believing, the future started being shaped by the MCs belief.

I don't remember how it ends or the name of the movie. It's weird, cause I had completely forgotten about this until I read what killjoy said. And it's weird cause I remember extreme details, like the day the MC was supposed to die, but I cannot remember the name of the MC nor even whether the MC was a male or female!!!!!

Does anyone know that movie?

Other movies that are related: The Butherfly Effect, Memento, Groundhog Day....

hmmmmmm...i guess that i don't know as much about my own beliefs as i thought
I'm starting to feel like a psychologist..... :D

Please, tell me what you mean...
What are you understanding better? ;)

well if fate does in fact exist then there maby is no heaven or hell and when we die then what?
would we simply not exist or would we be reincarnated?
then as what animal or human...perhaps we already know but simply do not realize it and if so then could there be a population increase? or would the population stay the same...also why would we be the way we are what deturmines it? because some people who act so different then their parents?

well if fate does in fact exist then there maby is no heaven or hell and when we die then what?
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What is the connection between faith and the lack of existance of heaven and hell?
What is heaven and hell?
What if the problem if there's no heaven and hell? There's just non existance, right? Like... if you go to an operation, they sedate you, so you fall asleep. If something wrong happens and you die, you just don't wake up. And if there is heaven and hell, you would just go to one of them, I suppose...

would we simply not exist or would we be reincarnated?
I don't know. Quite a bit could happen...

then as what animal or human...perhaps we already know but simply do not realize it and if so then could there be a population increase?
Why? If people would know what comes after death, they would probably take more risks or be more careful, depending on what they believed before and what they know right now...

or would the population stay the same...also why would we be the way we are what deturmines it?
You

because some people who act so different then their parents?
I guess people who act very differently from their parents have often realized their parents imperfections and changed that within themselves. I'm sure it could be other things, depending on the case...

There's no such thing as a heaven or hell.

These are just fabrications of early humans to "manipulate" the people. Heaven considered a place of bliss n were those who believed in god, and did good go, hell for those who are to be punished for not following those religious beliefs or that did harm. Sounds to me that the concept was invented to manipulate behavior.

Heaven & Hell represent other forms of existence outside of known existence. Another dimension if you will. I find that very hard to believe. I think the concept is a manipulative tool, for the gullible. Not based on reality.

Reincarnation is another form of mysticism, the idea comes from ancient Indian believes, there's no such thing as coming back in another form, one simply passes away and dies. Period. It is hard for humans to fathom non-existence, thus these theories were invented to confort the suffering of those who lost someone to death.

Godless

i agree

InuyaShatriple(0)four.

Ithought the thread was closed when I saw your avatar :)

im starting to get into wicca, its sounds cool but in the "bible" it says that wiccans worship satin, but in the things i read they make it a point to express that they do not. who is right?
i think the wiccans would know more about their religion than anyone!

Well I don't know if Wiccans worship satin or not, but I like the feel of satin sheets. :)

Judeo-Christians, amongs other religionist consider anything out of their denominations as pagans, so it's no surprize that some of these idiots would believe that Wiccans worship satan, devils or gobblins, or what not. Who is right I would suspect those that call themselves Wiccans know what they believe and or worship, a whole lot better than those of us that don't indulge in any organized religion what-so-ever.

Godless

I wouldn't be surprised if there are so-called "Chirstians" who worship the so-called "Satan".... :rolleyes:

No, Wiccans don't necessarily worship "Satan". This is clearly one of the reasons why there is a distinction between a White Wiccan and a Black Wiccan... :bugeye:

yes but they do preform rituals that most would question as satanic and maby the bible has been altered over a 2005 yr span due to those who have bad moral judgement