Here's a very unique and puzzling question for all you members on SciForums.com I ask now what you consider to be truly a freedom, what things do you believe demonstrate your freedom in todays society? Over generations we've lost what I consider to be our inborn freedoms, the right to run around outside naked, to sleep on the land without paying, and many more... the question here is whether you feel your freedoms have increased or been lost to the ravages of time + nations.

I don't hate the USA, nor do I hate other countries, but to be truly free means to belong to no land except the one in your heart. Can you say you've found yours, or has that right been taken by those with money & influence?

Consider this...

If you were 15 walking around your neighborhood @ 1 AM would you be arrested?

If you were being harassed and punched a bully would you be sued for it, even if only of your psyche (defending it)?

Is your right to make comments in public about people limited more-so than ever it was before?

Can you do things you want without fear of consequences?

I ask everyone reading this make a list of some things you feel you could not do, then a list of those things you feel you can, show us what you believe is lost and gained in todays world.... which freedom do you long for?

to be truly free means to belong to no land except the one in your heart.

What do you mean? How does this make you free?

I believe to be truly free is to have no worries, to have no anger, no sorrow, no bad habits, no revolting thoughts, no addictions, no debts, no hatred, no malice, no envy and so forth... So the little land in your heart would have to be made of pure gold and choice silver...

...I ask now what you consider to be truly a freedom, what things do you believe demonstrate your freedom in todays society?

By being a member of a society, even if you didn't want it or were born into it, means that you give up some of your personal freedoms in exchange for benefits of that society.

When one makes an issue of personal freedoms, it should/must always be balanced with the benefits of society.

Give up all of the benefits of society, and you can have as much freedom as you desire. But if you want electric power, gasoline, streets and highways, drinking water, sewers, jobs, money, homes, landownership, ...., and a gazillion other things that society provides, then don't you think you should have to give up something for it?

Ahh, the "Me" generation has arrived in full force! :D

Baron Max

Ahh, the "Me" generation has arrived in full force! :D

Baron Max

So it would seem.

What do you mean? How does this make you free?

I believe to be truly free is to have no worries, to have no anger, no sorrow, no bad habits, no revolting thoughts, no addictions, no debts, no hatred, no malice, no envy and so forth...
This is the great definition of personal emotional freedom.
Then there is social freedom which is how well the system accomodates the needs of the individual including personal care needs, food, shelter, safety from violence, personal rights to say and do what you want, physical and emotional development.

RULES OF A FREE SOCIETY
A free society must have protection from violence.
A free society must have true ownership of personal possessions.
A free society must have a postive impact on the earth environment.
A free society must have education for academics, physical development, and emotional development.
A free society must have an abundance of natural organic food for the population.
A free society must have free trade, speech, and activity without tax.
A free society must have a personal livig quarters for every adult individual within it.
A free society must have a populist voting system.
A free society must be free of any form of slavery incuding physical bodnage, contract slavery, and mind manipulation.
A free society must have a set of rules that cannot be arbitrarily altered to fit specific people or situations.
A free socity must accomodate all humans that wish to immigrate into its lands without obligation.


ANY SOCIETY THAT DOES NOT ABIDE BY THESE MINIMUM STANDARDS IS NOT A FREE SOCIETY.

Sounds like Utopia. Now why is it so difficult for us to form ideal societies?

I'd like to believe that the personal emotional freedom of people and their leaders will lead to social freedom.

Maybe that'll happen in the next billion years when we evolve.....

Sounds like Utopia. Now why is it so difficult for us to form ideal societies?

I'd like to believe that the personal emotional freedom of people and their leaders will lead to social freedom.

Maybe in the next billion years when we evolve.....
It is difficult to form ideal societies because we do not pursue ideal societies. Even if we never acheive the ideal, pursuing the ideal directly will do nothing less than create significant improvements.

The reason we do not pursue the ideal correctly is because of fear. The going perception of the ideal is pretty much hellish nightmare. It is no different than a slave that considers his shackles to be freedom, and taking them off would lead to enormous lack of freedom. Humans are really that dumb. We consider our shackles to be freedom, and we true freedom according to the rules of true freedom to be shackles.

We make comments such as: "Oh you are talking about a Utopia". Utopia was nothing more than a book written a long time ago. Over the years the term has grown to be defined as anything having to do with improvement of societies. And it is used as a loaded statement to consider any form of pursuit of progress to be fantastical and absurd.

The fact is that we do have a constitution in the USA, and we do have a bill of rights. The founding fathers were all huge so called, "Utopian idealists"


It is all programming. Humans are programmed to short circuit and attack any form of ideal pursuit without question. The first thing that comes to their mind is that it is impossoble to achieve, and that it will only lead to a nightmare. They have no idea that whether it is impossible to achieve or not, it must be pursued eithr way.

Here's a very unique and puzzling question for all you members on SciForums.com I ask now what you consider to be truly a freedom, what things do you believe demonstrate your freedom in todays society? Over generations we've lost what I consider to be our inborn freedoms, the right to run around outside naked, to sleep on the land without paying, and many more... the question here is whether you feel your freedoms have increased or been lost to the ravages of time + nations.

I don't hate the USA, nor do I hate other countries, but to be truly free means to belong to no land except the one in your heart. Can you say you've found yours, or has that right been taken by those with money & influence?

Consider this...

If you were 15 walking around your neighborhood @ 1 AM would you be arrested?

If you were being harassed and punched a bully would you be sued for it, even if only of your psyche (defending it)?

Is your right to make comments in public about people limited more-so than ever it was before?

Can you do things you want without fear of consequences?

I ask everyone reading this make a list of some things you feel you could not do, then a list of those things you feel you can, show us what you believe is lost and gained in todays world.... which freedom do you long for?

Freedom doesnt exist, if free will doesnt exist. SO perhaps freedom is slavery.

Well, then people who will not even try to change deserve everthing that happens to them.

@TimeTraveller:
Maybe freedom doesn't exist because no one knows exactly how to achieve it.

Free will is there. If I'm living in an abusive home I decide whether I stay or run away from home even if there's no certainty outside.

We're always faced with decisions. There are many influences but at the end of the day you decide. The question is whether you have the strength to make the right decisions...

FROM LIXLUKE'S POST: This is the great definition of personal emotional freedom.

RULES OF A FREE SOCIETY:
A free society must have protection from violence.
But if you limit the freedom of the person who wishes to do violence, then that person does not have freedom. You've taken the freedom from one in order to give freedom to another. That ain't nice, is it?A free society

A free society must have education for academics, physical development, and emotional development.
What if they don't want any of that? What if they just want to lie around on their ass and do nothing?

A free society must have an abundance of natural organic food for the population.
Who grows it and tends it and harvests it and prepares it? And who gets to eat it? What if someone wants to do nothing, but expects to get his share of the food?

A free society must have free trade, speech, and activity without tax.
Who pays for the roads and highways? ...the distribution of goods and services?
And what if someone wants to speak against, say, blacks and try to stir up discontent and violence? If you stop him, then you've taking away his freedom to speak, right?

A free society must have a personal livig quarters for every adult individual within it.
Who pays for it? Who maintains it?

A free society must have a populist voting system.
What if they vote in a mean, nasty person who takes over the controls?

A free society must have a set of rules that cannot be arbitrarily altered to fit specific people or situations.
Who decides those rules? And what if some of the people don't like some of the rules?

A free socity must accomodate all humans that wish to immigrate into its lands without obligation.
Who pays for those immigrants? Who feeds and clothes and houses them? And what if part of the people don't want those immigrants? Do you force them to accept them ....thus taking away the freedom of some to give to others?

I think you're dreamin' again, Lixluke .....you act and think as if all people felt exactly the same as you. Well, I have a surprise for you, ................

Baron Max

You clearly have no idea what I said.
Try to come up with a set of questions that are not presumptuous.
You don't seem to understand anything about freedom.
Your questions are not really questions, but nonsense.
If you have an actualy set of questions in search of actual solutions, fine.
None of yor questions thus far are stated in proper format.

Who's dreaming now? HAHAHAHA!!!!

You clearly have no idea what I said.

Then by answering my simple question, you could prove that I'm an idiot and that you're soooooo much smarter than me. Yet you choose to denigrate me personally ....without even touching on my questions. Interesting, huh?

Baron Max

I have already stated that your questions are not legitimate format. You are not actually asking questions, but throwing in petty arguments. you have not even created a question in proper format to be answered, so get lost.

I would, too, like to see the Baron's questions answered. They are not unreasonable.

Lemme try answering them, with my infinite brilliance...

A free society must have education for academics, physical development, and emotional development.
What if they don't want any of that? What if they just want to lie around on their ass and do nothing?
-That's where the G-men with cattle prods come buy and shock your ass awake!

A free society must have an abundance of natural organic food for the population.
Who grows it and tends it and harvests it and prepares it? And who gets to eat it? What if someone wants to do nothing, but expects to get his share of the food?
-Easy! Instate the fact that labor is joyful! What could possibly go wrong with this! *remembers fall of communism* oh right...

A free society must have free trade, speech, and activity without tax.
Who pays for the roads and highways? ...the distribution of goods and services?
-Joy of duty! Joy of duty!

And what if someone wants to speak against, say, blacks and try to stir up discontent and violence? If you stop him, then you've taking away his freedom to speak, right?
-No, you're encouraging his freedom to shut up :D

A free society must have a personal livig quarters for every adult individual within it.
Who pays for it? Who maintains it?
-Joy of... housekeeping!

A free society must have a populist voting system.
What if they vote in a mean, nasty person who takes over the controls?
-That's why they swear in a vice-mean-nasty-person to keep tabs. Checks and balances!

A free society must have a set of rules that cannot be arbitrarily altered to fit specific people or situations.
Who decides those rules? And what if some of the people don't like some of the rules?
-Baby Jesus, and lightning bolts will smote those who don't like the new game...

A free socity must accomodate all humans that wish to immigrate into its lands without obligation.
Who pays for those immigrants? Who feeds and clothes and houses them? And what if part of the people don't want those immigrants? Do you force them to accept them ....thus taking away the freedom of some to give to others?
-Perfect! Now we know our task. We will convince immigrants of "the joy of duty", and have them run the society as an underworld class while the rest of us live a utopian life!!! Huzzah!


Or we can just accept the fact that we're free in some ways and conformists in others. As long as you're content with some restraint on you as a member of some sort of society, why rock the boat?

Founately, the rules remain fact.

RULES OF A FREE SOCIETY
A free society must have protection from violence.
A free society must have true ownership of personal possessions.
A free society must have a postive impact on the earth environment.
A free society must have education for academics, physical development, and emotional development.
A free society must have an abundance of natural organic food for the population.
A free society must have free trade, speech, and activity without tax.
A free society must have a personal livig quarters for every adult individual within it.
A free society must have a populist voting system.
A free society must be free of any form of slavery incuding physical bodnage, contract slavery, and mind manipulation.
A free society must have a set of rules that cannot be arbitrarily altered to fit specific people or situations.
A free socity must accomodate all humans that wish to immigrate into its lands without obligation.


ANY SOCIETY THAT DOES NOT ABIDE BY THESE MINIMUM STANDARDS IS NOT A FREE SOCIETY.

But if you limit the freedom of the person who wishes to do violence, then that person does not have freedom. You've taken the freedom from one in order to give freedom to another. That ain't nice, is it?

You're not entirely right. What we do here in reality Baron Max is determine whether someone is violating anothers personal freedom to be left alone. If they are then we have the responsibility to take that freedom they're abusing, at least for a short while. It cannot however be taken indefinitely, I would never put someone in prison for life, instead send them to an island like that of Escape From L.A.

What if they don't want any of that? What if they just want to lie around on their ass and do nothing?

Honestly Baron Max after awhile laying around would become boring and meaningless to them. In a world where people did everything because of their own personal choice you'd be left behind in a very lonely place if you saught only to sit around on your ass. You'd meet no people or friends, and thus you'd eventually end up thinking about other things. What we have now though is people wanting this badly only to be surprised later how pointless it is when acquired. Better to reverse this and let them find out sooner.

Who grows it and tends it and harvests it and prepares it? And who gets to eat it? What if someone wants to do nothing, but expects to get his share of the food?

Well this is interesting, the best way of answering is this... everyone has a right to eat, but if they can't contribute because they're not working they don't really get that right in the eyes of others. I would say if you don't work you are still fed, just not as much as everyone else. This way there's some consequence but it's more about personal choice on what they want. Also socially they'd be frowned upon.

Who pays for the roads and highways? ...the distribution of goods and services?

Who pays right now? Everyone and anyone that's alive! I'd rather be doing work on the roads than paying some other creaton to do it, so I think the best method of controlling this is to institute plans within the city and have each area responsible for maintaining the stuff. Keep the money in the community instead of paying it to government, etc.

And what if someone wants to speak against, say, blacks and try to stir up discontent and violence? If you stop him, then you've taking away his freedom to speak, right?

This violates others freedoms not to be harassed in public. It also makes violence seem important (which it is not). Therefore anyone speaking up in this manner must be executed immediately, it's the only way to remain free of the filth and sickness that surrounds our world.

Who pays for it? Who maintains it?

Everyone and nobody.

What if they vote in a mean, nasty person who takes over the controls?

It cannot be allowed. Anyone taking over controls must be executed immediately, it's the only way to keep them away. Government rules cannot be changed, they are absolute!

Who decides those rules? And what if some of the people don't like some of the rules?

Those that don't like the rules may vote online for which rule they dislike, then they can have it removed. Otherwise it will remain in effect.

Who pays for those immigrants? Who feeds and clothes and houses them? And what if part of the people don't want those immigrants? Do you force them to accept them ....thus taking away the freedom of some to give to others?

Freedom isn't real when you must force someone to accept another, therefore yes we would take this away from them and not listen to their arguing whines. Weakness will not be tolerated, and weakness is in those that complain about immigration when it made this country exist. By not giving someone freedom to integrate you are violating their freedoms and therefore yours to make that choice must be taken away, for a time.

I think the most important aspect of freedom would be the freedom to speak the truth and be heard,without fear or the freedom to act as you need to without any wrong being done to another person. Without this we are left with a sense of helplessness or just feel cumbersome. Fear is used to control and can be a good thing in defence of oneself or as a warning against something harmful, but not if it is used to manipulate a situation in order to benefit from lies or hiding the truth, like one person benefiting from the loss of another.

To speak and live the truth.

To speak and live the truth.

Whose "truth"?

Racists think that races other than their own are inferior in many, if not all, aspects of human nature. They think that's the truth.

Would you allow them to "live" that truth? And if not, ....ahh, what are you doing to their freedoms which you just now proclaimed?

And what if they can convince a gazillion others that it's the truth, and they begin to "cause trouble"?

Baron Max

..., therefore yes we would take this away from them and not listen to their arguing whines.

Ahh, you mean much like we have now in the USA and most western nations of the world?

Baron Max

“ Originally Posted by Kendall
To speak and live the truth. ”

"Originally posted by Barron Max
Whose "truth"?

Racists think that races other than their own are inferior in many, if not all, aspects of human nature. They think that's the truth.

Would you allow them to "live" that truth? And if not, ....ahh, what are you doing to their freedoms which you just now proclaimed?

And what if they can convince a gazillion others that it's the truth, and they begin to "cause trouble"?

Baron Max"

Kendall-Your own truth,what you are certain of.

:To think something is not to know it! For example I think that the pen on the desk in front of me will work but the truth is it might not because I am not using it this very moment.

There is obviously no such thing as absolute freedom regarding the world we live in. We all need to work to contribute to society and maintain a stable civilization, but I do imagine humanity changing in the far future. If we can somehow maintain a stable world while giving people the freedom to do what they want then absolute freedom is clearly possible. How we go about achieving that level of freedom without destroying this planet is beyond me. I would love to have the freedom to travel wherever I want and see the world in all its glory.

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A free society must have protection from violence.
Protection from violence is a completely seperate issue. Every society wants to minimize violence and crime, but the measures taken to control these things are often at odds with "freedom".

Look at all the hoopla over warrentless wiretapping of terrorists. Clearly keeping an eye on terror suspects makes us safer. But it also decreases our freedom.

Anarchy gives one complete freedom, but little safety.

The two goals are at odds.
A free society must have true ownership of personal possessions.Here I agree. Strong protection of the right to property is a basic part of a free society.
A free society must have a postive impact on the earth environment.Again, this has nothing to do with freedom and can even result in a loss of freedom.

For instance, a man wants to build a house on some property he just spent his life savings on. Then some new snail is discovered on the property and the EPA prevents him from using his property in the manner he desires. Furthermore, his life savings is now gone as no one will buy the property since it's now useless.

Enviromentalism and freedom are often at odds.
A free society must have education for academics, physical development, and emotional development.Again, seperate issue. Not a bad thing, but who pays for this? Taking money from one person to pay for someone else's education deprives him of his right to property. This decreases his freedom.

Public education is at odds with property rights.
A free society must have an abundance of natural organic food for the population.
Now you're getting ridiculous. If there's not a certain kind of food, the people aren't free? If a famine hits an area a previously free people are not just hungry, but no longer free?
A free society must have free trade, speech, and activity without tax.WITHOUT TAX? Now I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but how will you pay for all that other crap you mentioned without taxes?
A free society must have a personal livig quarters for every adult individual within it.OK, see above. Who pays for this housing? What about their right to property?
A free society must have a populist voting system.Democracy is definately a good thing. But I could imagine a constitutional monarchy as being free.
A free society must be free of any form of slavery incuding physical bodnage, contract slavery, and mind manipulation.I'm mostly with you here.
A free society must have a set of rules that cannot be arbitrarily altered to fit specific people or situations.A nation of laws, not of men. No problem. But some flexibility is needed.
A free socity must accomodate all humans that wish to immigrate into its lands without obligation.Can't agree with this, but I can respect the opinion. Not practical, though.

But if you limit the freedom of the person who wishes to do violence, then that person does not have freedom. You've taken the freedom from one in order to give freedom to another. That ain't nice, is it?A free society
Honestly Baron Max after awhile laying around would become boring and meaningless to them. In a world where people did everything because of their own personal choice you'd be left behind in a very lonely place if you saught only to sit around on your ass. You'd meet no people or friends, and thus you'd eventually end up thinking about other things. What we have now though is people wanting this badly only to be surprised later how pointless it is when acquired. Better to reverse this and let them find out sooner.
Don't even bother. This jackass is trying to confuse you. He is trying to equate Absolute Freedom, Absolute Human Freedom, and Social Freedom as if they were all the same thing.

The answer:
There is no Absolute Freedom for any human beings with mortal human limitations.

Absolute Human Freedom in which one is free to do whatever he wants to anybody he wants in his own human capacity is a direct violation of Social Freedom.

Social Freedom is a lack of freedom, but not a total lack of freedom. It is only the lack of freedom to violate the rights of others as listed in the RULES OF A FREE SOCIETY. The act of granting any individual Absolute Human Freedom is a direct violation of the RULES OF A FREE SOCIETY.

As you can see, I didn't answer that idiot's question for a reason. He is doing nothing , but twisting definitions.


Racists think that races other than their own are inferior in many, if not all, aspects of human nature. They think that's the truth.
Good grief. Racists are allowed to say and do what they like everybody else without being persecuted. Unlike the USA in which people get persucted for being racist or saying anything that goes against the status quo. Or being muslim. Get over it. Freedom of speech is about anybody including the Nazis and KKK who want to get together, and promote their beliefs to others.

Are you somehow in disagreement with people being allowed to say and do what they want because nobody else seems to be. What is the big issue here?

Protection from violence is a completely seperate issue. Every society wants to minimize violence and crime, but the measures taken to control these things are often at odds with "freedom".

Look at all the hoopla over warrentless wiretapping of terrorists. Clearly keeping an eye on terror suspects makes us safer. But it also decreases our freedom.

Anarchy gives one complete freedom, but little safety.

The two goals are at odds.
Here I agree. Strong protection of the right to property is a basic part of a free society.
Again, this has nothing to do with freedom and can even result in a loss of freedom.

For instance, a man wants to build a house on some property he just spent his life savings on. Then some new snail is discovered on the property and the EPA prevents him from using his property in the manner he desires. Furthermore, his life savings is now gone as no one will buy the property since it's now useless.

Enviromentalism and freedom are often at odds.
Again, seperate issue. Not a bad thing, but who pays for this? Taking money from one person to pay for someone else's education deprives him of his right to property. This decreases his freedom.

Public education is at odds with property rights.

Now you're getting ridiculous. If there's not a certain kind of food, the people aren't free? If a famine hits an area a previously free people are not just hungry, but no longer free?
WITHOUT TAX? Now I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but how will you pay for all that other crap you mentioned without taxes?
OK, see above. Who pays for this housing? What about their right to property?
Democracy is definately a good thing. But I could imagine a constitutional monarchy as being free.
I'm mostly with you here.
A nation of laws, not of men. No problem. But some flexibility is needed.
Can't agree with this, but I can respect the opinion. Not practical, though.
The freedom and security issue is nothing more than a farce. All of the security we are fed by the media are false threats to keep us under control and paranoid. Using the media to enslave the public through deceit is unethical.

The environmental freedom issue is not at odds. A positive impact in the environment is crucial to a free society. Any negative impact on the earth environment is a direct violation of tis freedom.

The education situation is not a separate issue. A society is not free if education is not available.

Peopel have a right to living quarters, organic food, etc. These are not luxuries. These are necessary for human life. Depriving the people from these is little different from outright murdering them. The USA is a society that intentionally keeps people deprived in order to impose scarcity upon the population for the sake of the rich. This act of deprivation is a form of slavery. Unless the population is provided with necessities outlined according to the rules of human freedom, it is a slave society.

The question of who pays for it is no person in particular. It is the duty of the institution to protect the freedom and rights of the individual. It is the choice of the individual, according to the rules of a free society, whether he wants to contribute or not. The lack of choice to contribute is a direct violation of the rules of a free society.

What we need is the freedom to do good things,to tell the truth, to learn,to work, to hear the truth.

americans.... canadians... australians.. and others.. are not free.

we used to be free men... but we got robbed.

now.... all we have is priviledges and benefits.

we lost all our rights.

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i have come to notice a trend... a lack of specific understanding... and it is not your fault.

Your not supposed to know, or be thinking about it.

I have choosen to make this humble attempt to allow you to fully understand.
Once you understand, and you will, then you will see what has happened, and you will understand, but you are not going to like it.... not at all.

Ready?
Around 1873 the 'war and emergency POWERS act' was inacted.
It, literally allows the president to establish a state of emergency and there by..... PUT THE CONSTITUTION ASIDE, and do what ever he, and the government needs to do to stop unrest, riots, uprissing... or and for the purposes of that “war and emergency powers act'.. invasion, and large scale infiltration.
It was inacted... but there was no invasion... and no war...
Then the high times of the 10's... the 20's... and then the crash.
Then what happened?

The new deal !!!!... do ya remember that one? The new deal for america.... it was in 1933... america accepted the new deal.
The new deal... was very simple, but made confusing.
The president, declares a state of emergency, and is therefore, no longer limited by the constitution, AT ALL, and then with the state of emergency the fed... the president, could do all the things, which the founding fathers tried to prevent.

in 1933... this is what happened.
The old fed, the one limited by the constitution was killed, and a new fed, with unlimited super powers was born. This new fed, lives as long as that state of emergency is active, so its all legal. A new kind of fed, with powers to create the now, 66 million federal statutory laws, we as free men are supposed to obey.
The fed, in 1933... gave up all the rules of the constitution, and it was able to do it, because, it was legal, it was an emergency.
That specific state of emergency, IS STILL IN EFFECT.
YES, and if you talk to many you will find that congress did supposively addressed this issue in the 70's, with an act that states that all states of emergencies must end after two years.
WHICH DOES NOTHING, because if you read it, it says clearly that it does not apply to long term pre-existing states declared.
It applied only to those to be declared.
That is why the president did not declare a state of emergency when 9 / 11 hit... he didnt have to.
Every sitting president since 1933, has had emergency powers.
Only a sitting president can reverse the state of emergency..!
if he says nothing, he holds the reins of all the powers, that the constitution says he is not supposed to have.
If he, the president, was to end the state of emergency, he would literally be destroying the modern federal state.
Which would be ok.... SINCE IT IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL ONE.

THE president.. wont do it... because people like you dont care.

And most of you.... JUST DONT KNOW.

They wave the constitution in your face as if it has power.
It does not.... NOT SINCE 1933. and it never will again, so long as the fed remains in that same state of emergency since 1933.

in 1933... this is what happened.. and how to fix it.
1)the old... magna carta, common law, legal system, was replaced with a new legal system, based on contract and tort.
That is why in law today, you CANNOT use any precident, dated before 1933. our entire legal system is unconstitutional, since .... since... since... it is based on the fact that all of us.. are all ingaged in WILLING contracts with the new illegal fed.
The problem is.. no one knows about it.. or understands.
2) All people... in 1933 were made 14th ammendment citizens.. even though, under the constitution, we dont have to be any such thing. As the 14th ammendment was ment... MENT... MENT.... FOR EX-SLAVES... WHO HAD NO RIGHTS.
The 14th ammement says cleary... citizens are under the jurisdiction of the state!!! under!!
and are given... what??? priviledges and benefits.
Why??/? Because you have no rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they were taken away... in 1933.. when they killled the constitution.
We all became then.. ex slaves... to be helped and regulated by the fed, which....
3) the fed.... is then directly funded and financed by the federal reserve bank.. also unconstitutional, and it produces a currency which is backed by our peoples labor and output.
Our GDP... unconstitutional, since it enslaves us all.
The Fed, is also, privately owned.. by international investors, and they run our society like well oiled slaves, all of which are not even legally allowed to own gold. Only pretty little coins.
4) We ... are all supposed to be free men... like kings and queens, and the fed is supposed to serve the states, and that states serve the sovereign citizens. Sovereign citizens, that have all the constitutional rights, of the bill of rights.
NO ONE TODAY, HAS THESE RIGHTS... its all been robbed from us.. and we dont even know it... our rights have been replaced by civil liberties, and priviledges.
The ACLU... knows all about it.. it was born in 1933.
5) this was all done... to provide social security, and medicare, and to allow for regulation of some industries.
Was it a good deal? Did we get a good deal?
no... we all got robbed.

6) The real issue... is the fact.... fact... that we have all been FORCED INTO CONTRACTING!... WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED.
That is illegal, in a contract law court... and so.. all courts.
But no body knows... so no one complains.

7) There is only one solution.... : demand an end to the state of emergency, a return to constitutional law, and the passing of several acts, allowing the fed, certain, limited specific powers to maintain the dollar, social security and medicare, until the national and individual gold reserves develop over time, and at which time, the dollar must become gold or silver based.

8) This is a test for you.... you complain everyday on the radio about the evils of the fed... of the government... even though all the democrats are in on the whole 1933 new deal. If you dont make this an issue, then it is clear, you work for them.


In the world today.... you seem to see something wrong with the government.
Well... hopefully, now, you can see it for what it is.... and whats its problem.
it is...... in a desperate state of emergency... and it is very fragile.

It is likely to break.

I dont recommend letting that happen, but... eh... no one listens to me.

Is your right to make comments in public about people limited more-so than ever it was before?

Can you do things you want without fear of consequences?

Right now I am actively protesting a civil rights violation made against me by a public official. They have retaliated by filing numerous trivial reverse charges - as many as they could - forcing me to plea bargain out of it by pleading guilty to at least one. These charges are so fictious that they even asked me, "Well, which charge to you feel comfortable with pleading guilty too." Yet if I don't go for a plea bargain, then I not only run the risk of being found guilty on one - and they'll bring in a whole team of top-notch attorneys to do so that I can't possible counter or afford - but the time and stress involved of going through a trial is something I cannot endure. I am too busy with researching, I'm not as young as I used to be, nor is my health and stamina as strong. I don't have time for this bullshit, yet they've got me over a barrel. What should I do?

Yes the beaucracy does it more times than not. You are being punished no matter what it is you decide to do. Perhaps somebody here knows a way you can get compensation. Try starrting a thread.


americans.... canadians... australians.. and others.. are not free.
Well done. Good article. Very accurate.

Right now I am actively protesting a civil rights violation made against me by a public official. They have retaliated by filing numerous trivial reverse charges - as many as they could - forcing me to plea bargain out of it by pleading guilty to at least one. These charges are so fictious that they even asked me, "Well, which charge to you feel comfortable with pleading guilty too." Yet if I don't go for a plea bargain, then I not only run the risk of being found guilty on one - and they'll bring in a whole team of top-notch attorneys to do so that I can't possible counter or afford - but the time and stress involved of going through a trial is something I cannot endure. I am too busy with researching, I'm not as young as I used to be, nor is my health and stamina as strong. I don't have time for this bullshit, yet they've got me over a barrel. What should I do?

Kendall- call a lawyer

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A free society must have free trade, speech, and activity without tax.
Who pays for the roads and highways? ...the distribution of goods and services?
And what if someone wants to speak against, say, blacks and try to stir up discontent and violence? If you stop him, then you've taking away his freedom to speak, right?

A free society must have a personal livig quarters for every adult individual within it.
Who pays for it? Who maintains it?

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There is no need of any taxes, u all are victims of the capitalist dictators, there is far more money made out of selling natural resources than taxes in any country around the world.

The natural resources by default belong to the people of the land. Remember that brainwasher Bush said, "The Iraqi oil belongs to the people of Iraq". Well thats just to say, the truth he think his oil companies own it.

The Government should give contracts to mine all the resources like oil, minerals , water etc and use the profits by selling them for building of the nation.

Right now I am actively protesting a civil rights violation made against me by a public official. They have retaliated by filing numerous trivial reverse charges - as many as they could - forcing me to plea bargain out of it by pleading guilty to at least one. These charges are so fictious that they even asked me, "Well, which charge to you feel comfortable with pleading guilty too." Yet if I don't go for a plea bargain, then I not only run the risk of being found guilty on one - and they'll bring in a whole team of top-notch attorneys to do so that I can't possible counter or afford - but the time and stress involved of going through a trial is something I cannot endure. I am too busy with researching, I'm not as young as I used to be, nor is my health and stamina as strong. I don't have time for this bullshit, yet they've got me over a barrel. What should I do?

Kendall- call a lawyer

My attorney advises me to take the plea bargain; however, in order to do so I must plead guilty to something that I did not do in court. I refuse to lie in court in front of the judge. I did not "intentionally or knowingly" do what they are charging me with. I am a man of principle. To lie in front of a judge in a court of law shakes the very foundations and principle values of my life. There comes a point in one's life when one must stand up for what one believes in, and this has reached an extremely heightened level of confrontation against those fundamental values and principles. I stand on solid ground here and I refuse to be shaken. I will not lie.

Any constructive suggestions are, of course, very much appreciated. This is a very intense and serious situation.

Practically speaking, freedom is the ability to operate unhindered within the maximum amount of situationally manageable wiggle room.

7) There is only one solution.... : demand an end to the state of emergency, a return to constitutional law, and the passing of several acts, allowing the fed, certain, limited specific powers to maintain the dollar, social security and medicare, until the national and individual gold reserves develop over time, and at which time, the dollar must become gold or silver based.