Recent (not new) complaints from a vocal minority about the manner in which some wicked, fascist baby-eating elitist moderators conduct themselves has again led to no constructive conversation. As SciForums continues to expand, it is experiencing growing pains typical to many forums its size. The administrator and moderators have posted the guidelines that we expect of you, so how about some feedback on what you would like of us?

Be constructive; be impartial.

The moderators should try to follow the guidelines set by the administrator and moderators.

they should follow the guidlines and not be evil to the small people in this forum like me.



(like cancelling my threads)

I second that. No being offensive to others, even if you are superior *sigh*

like me (laugh at the superiorness and the irony of that superiorness)
should allow a little bit of ranting- but only the type that gets on peoples nerves, not the type that hurts peoples feelings etc.

The moderators should follow the rules that they expect other members to follow in their forums.

Are the guidelines as posted reasonable? How should they be enforced?

:m: Peace.

havent actually read them 'lol'

The guidelines are reasonable. The manner in which it is enforced as far as the members are concerned is fairly reasonable. However the rules and guidelines should be enforced and applied to ALL members in the same way, moderators included. As moderators I'm sure most try to be fair. However the question remains, who's watching the watchers?

they watch each other


LOLOLOL i love that line

No matter what the guidelines are, evolution suggests that every attempt to eradicate autocracy is always worth attempting. There is absolutely no need of moderators here. Instead Rating along with comments should be allowed where in messages should be hidden if marked vicious by previous reader and instead the comment should be visible, if this comment is also vicious then it too should be markable and so on. If the rating becomes positive by other readers then it should again become directly visible and vice versa.

The messages that are hidden should be readable when reader clicks on a + sign.


The evolution has suggested this : http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34298.

YAR I AGREE
I
THINK
THE
MODS
SHOULD
NOT
BE
MODS
NO
MORE
and the lord saw and it WAS GOOD

Are the guidelines as posted reasonable? How should they be enforced?

:m: Peace.

They don't have to be enforced to the letter, more to the spirit of them.

Some slip ups are allowed, but if a certain member starts increasing the workload of a moderator considerably then there is a problem.

At this point there are two options. Either there will be a poll in SOFG forum on what to do, or the moderators/administration decide themselves.

In any case, some warning is always appreciated. Let us assume that everybody has good intentions and a warning should make clear that their actions are not seen as actually something good, despite their good intentions.

Ban more people. Or at least threaten to ban more people. I want moderators to throw up proposals to ban people more frequently over things like being boring or consistently wrong. It would just humilate the offender and maybe smack them back into line.
I should really be a moderator.
Goofy wouldn't you like a moderator that makes you look like a saint in comparison? I'd love to be the villainous mod everyone hated. Kind of like vince mcmahon from the wwe but a sciforums version. You're too diplomatic IMHO, you should be seen as the good guy.
Like check out this leviticus character, he'd be gone if it was up to me.
I'd like to see you become a bit more of a hard ass goof.
Thats my request.
There should be some kind of darwinian structure to sciforums. It reminds me of everything i hate about modern society what with all the leviticus types surviving into adulthood in the name of 'human rights'. Moderators should be hawks, picking out the vulnerable, or wolves isolating stragglers and finishing them. I'd actually love to live under a regime at sciforums, it would just be interesting. Rather than complaining about mods you fear them. haha that would just be cool.
Isn't anyone else sick of the ned flanders mindset so prevelant today and oh so prevelant at sciforums?
Leviticus making a case for his rights :rolleyes: he should be begging for his cyber-life.
Thats how I feel about it anyway. Like you said sciforums is expanding, you don't want to lose control right? you need more troops and stricter laws when it comes to dragging down the site.
You and porf obviously get irritated with these spoiled punks making outlandish requests. Be true to yourself and execute them on a whim. Then cover up their disapearance with elaborate lies.
This place could be really interesting if 'being nice' was thrown to the bottom of the priority list.

(Disclaimer; this disclaimer is in place to reduce the would-be comedic value of banning me 'on a whim' for this post. Thus making the idea less attractive to goofy fish and porf alike.)

(2nd disclaimer; this one is in place in case you find the idea of overriding a disclaimer attractive)

you live up to your name again.
if i were mod, you would be GODDAM DEAD.
get bent, i would rule you all
actually, one good thing that could happen is if all the useless members who joined up for like a day and then never returned. they should be gotten rid of.
also .... screw this.
flaming should be allowed, verbal abuse should be made legel, nay, compulsory, and people like Lou Natic should be banned.
the reason being. they have mini flames at people like me who are (obviously superior and much more intelligent 'lol' at any point there) better than them and then start creeping to the others about why they should not be banned.
at least when i flame i can do it properly.

as a reminder:

(Disclaimer; this disclaimer is in place to reduce the would-be comedic value of banning me 'on a whim' for this post. Thus making the idea less attractive to goofy fish and porf alike.)
or putting things like this in their posts :rolleyes: to make them seem alrite and trying to mask their flame

More evidence i should be a mod ^

what evidence is that?
anyway, anyone who seeks power, does not deserve it.
(lol thus since i have not vied for modship i should be a mod.
dam i really dont)

What Does The Community Want From Its Moderators?


what items of values do you moderators have?

lol they ahve none, they are just the aristocracy of the forums being given unnecesary power.

DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM
lmao

you're all out of order
the whole system is out of order

what?

BRING BACK THE WHEEL OF DEATH

or the wheel of fish

huh?

(claimer... meh... what he said)

I would like to see more refreshments served.

Moderators have a duty to be impartial and objective. Posters should have equal opportunities to express their opinion even if it differs from that of a moderator. It is hard to be an objective moderator while you are participating in the discussion.

It would be helpful if an explanation accompanied the padlocking of threads. Something along the lines of "This thread is closed because it is degrading/inflammatory/vulgar/etc."

A very small minority think that the mods here do a bad job. I think the mods do a great job. There should be freedom of speech as regards opinions, (Proud Muslim); but the odd conspiracy theorists that pop up here should be axed immediately.

It looks to me like they dont do anything.

The mods do indeed have some work here.
How it looks to you is completely irrelevant to their functioning isn't it?

yes that is true. but if they want to keeps bing mods (not that my view makes any difference) they should SAY what they do so as to stop us scum from moaning.

I believe everything is quite transparent. What exactly should they say?

i dont know, since as i said, i dont know what they actually do.....

Exactly. So what do you have to complain about?

i want to know what it is they do.
if they do what they do well then i can leave this thread forever, if not i need to complain dont i??

when the mods delete/alter/close a thread/post a simple post stating why is very welcome, nothing fansy, just a 1 or 2 lines telling why.

if/when mistakes are made admit it, instead of going all defensive and try to hid it, it will clear the problem much faster



I would like to see more refreshments served.


not a bad idea, im not to difficult, i would like a Cocio(*)...the big one ofcause...cold.. oh and not the "light" version.
come to think of it i would like a light cocio to, never tastest it, and some candy.

* its something local, and you cannot have any hah

I would like to see more outrageous and violent immoderation by so-called moderators. That would make it easier for me to quit this place and go do something worthwhile.

I personally don't mind if moderators change or delete my posts. They have never deleted a serious or good post yet.

Most of the time you do not get notified and this is quite understandable since it would increase the workload considerably for the moderators.

I can imagine that some people really get upset when a post or thread gets deleted, but you must first question yourself on the nature of your own posts. Then think if you might be able to improve on the previous post. If not, let it go. If you can, try again (but not 5 minutes later). Give it a rest for a day. Think if it is really important. Think how you can improve your post.

And in the end realize it is just a forum. We are not writing a new version of the bible.

having a little msg. stating what and why there was an edit is purely informative, and so the work in not hidden in the background, disrupting the flow or turning in to censur.

perhaps it will also make the mods think twise, if they have to spend a few sec typing a msg... well unless they create a set of standard replies that is:)

perhaps the bible was made by someone taking notes at the local funny farm.

The moderators should have pictures of themselves dressed in clown suits in place of their avatars. That way, if anyone ever gets upset because his or her thread has been closed or posts deleted, one can simply look at the moderators avatar, have a good chuckle and move on.

having a little msg. stating what and why there was an edit is purely informative, and so the work in not hidden in the background, disrupting the flow or turning in to censur.


Sometimes it is just too obvious. The last edit I noticed was when the words 'oh fuck' or something were taken out. I didn't need a message to understand why.

There should be freedom of speech as regards opinions, (Proud Muslim); but the odd conspiracy theorists that pop up here should be axed immediately.

Oh... I think you mean Proud Muslim.

I think we need more mods... just for this subforum alone!

Sometimes it is just too obvious. The last edit I noticed was when the words 'oh fuck' or something were taken out. I didn't need a message to understand why.


true some of the petty stuff dont need any comments, i was thinking on something bigger then simple profanity, why edit that anyway its a waste of time :).

bottom line is i would like to see why and by who posts get altered. I would prefere if nothing was altered at all, but that will never happen.

I think we need more mods... just for this subforum alone!

I agree. I think several mods are needed. I think Pseudoscience and Parapsychology should both have one, the same goes for some other sections. I would also say that Free Thoughts needs one, and I haven't seen Congrats* in about forever... Should A&C get a new one to?

*Last Activity: 12-31-03 04:54 PM

-- The Grand Dragon Gizzard

A very small minority think that the mods here do a bad job.

Anyone who thinks this is free, and strongly encouraged, to leave sciforums.

lol methinks you would say that.... they might cause trouble......lol...peasent rebellion eh?


i laugh..


VOTE... http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=557827#post557827

No I'm serious I think the mods do their job (that they are not paid for) well, and try to keep the flaming and crap down, unfortunately there always seems to be allot more flaming carp around then they can handle!

We need more moderators.

Here are rules I would like to see some of our moderators follow:

1. Do not delete post, just delete everything on the post and replace it with a small one/two sentance note such as
"Mod deleted post content: its was full of insults and fallacies, had no decent content."
or
"Mod deleted post content: it was crap, down to hell with it"
This should not take very long as compared to deleting of hand. You can also delete several post in a row as long as one remains with a explanation on why.

2. Note all editing to post. this is so we can understand what you did and so that the edited person won't change it without know full well that s/he is editing a moderator (according to sciforum laws this is grounds for banishment)

3. When a post is locked say why in 1/2 sentences, So we can all know what happened.

I agree with Fetus' points

But I still think the wheel of death has merit.

We'll I can extend my positioning if necessary, especially since it looks like Goofyfish needs some help dealing with the constant debate of ETI's and Rocks in Pseudoscience.

Admittedly it would be different from my current and hopeful useful position within "Computer Science & Culture", since currently most people post near enough on topic and discuss what the actual thread is about. In certain respects the only real editing I do is a little cleanup here and there when a person posts multiple threads on the same subject and a few deleted posts removed from being mentioned as deleted from the thread.

I know Pseudoscience does need people to realise that the whole aspect of a Forums is it's about discussion, and notibly what everyone should realise is the discussion should be attempting to create "Constructive Criticism" in some cases.

However currently what people view "Forums" to be, would have previously been that for the Stocks where wrotten fruit & vegetables and heavy doses of mocking would occur.

(Kind of reminds me of certain Darwinistic traits of howling monkeys, and how they throw feces at one of their own kind to show their disapproval of mingling with them.)

I can understand that the normal board users don't want to see us moderator's issued with Batons and ordered to keep you all in line (although I'm sure some moderators would like to abuse that to all extents)

Without moderators this forum would fall foul of the Howling Monkey™ presence, and all your posts would no longer seemingly smell of roses (although roses do tend to grow well on a good bed of dung, but thats usually put their by the gardeners.)

Ugh!!!

Has anyone considered there is no problem with the moderators? The whiny, ingreat, trolling bitchy posters are the problems. Most who complain vehemently about moderator abuse are the whack jobs who get wet at the idea of an alien anal probing them and then compain when their idiotic rantings are shut down.

This is a WEBSITE...not a fucking government....the mods or administrators don't owe anyone here anything. Stop being so incited about a website and how it supresses your freedom....fucking ingreats.

The mods here are the best I have seen of any forum. The things they let people get away with here are astronomically more conterversial and graphic then on most other forums.

Grow up and stop complaining about how mods are power hungry here. After you start 11 threads on the same subject you deserve to be shot, not shut down.

Ugh!!!

Has anyone considered there is no problem with the moderators? The whiny, ingreat, trolling bitchy posters are the problems. Most who complain vehemently about moderator abuse are the whack jobs who get wet at the idea of an alien anal probing them and then compain when their idiotic rantings are shut down.

This is a WEBSITE...not a fucking government....the mods or administrators don't owe anyone here anything. Stop being so incited about a website and how it supresses your freedom....fucking ingreats.

The mods here are the best I have seen of any forum. The things they let people get away with here are astronomically more conterversial and graphic then on most other forums.

Grow up and stop complaining about how mods are power hungry here. After you start 11 threads on the same subject you deserve to be shot, not shut down.

I once trolled into a neo-conservative forum. my first post was well disguised, i thought. i merely asked if an ann coulter essay, attacking a parapalegic viet nam war vet running for senate, was over the top.

i was booted within the hour.

very low tolerance there :) but they're extremely fun to tease.

Has anyone considered there is no problem with the moderators? The whiny, ingreat, trolling bitchy posters are the problems. Most who complain vehemently about moderator abuse are the whack jobs who get wet at the idea of an alien anal probing them and then compain when their idiotic rantings are shut down.

Thank you, Sarge. If you notice most of the complants do come from nut jobs. I can think of a few names right now.