I was abused as a child and do get regular abuses.

They think I am with the devil, as if I believe in the devil.

I am talking about my Friends and Family members.

what is that like for you?

people cannot accept me for who i am either, psychotic, satanist, weirdo, schizophrenic. i see it as ignorance, an inabilty to accpet that people interpret reality differently.

as for being abused as a child i cannot see how people can do that.

what are your thoughts about it?

Luckily I never went through such torment. Of course, my parents were never that fundie about their own personal beliefs and although they briefly tried, they swiftly got the message.

My parents seemed fairly neutral about religion but my Mom was pretty upset when I told her I didn't believe in any sort of god. I've been shunned by some christians with whom I've had conversations about it. Not all, but some.

The only normal person in my family is the one who didn't attend Jewish day school (not me..)

We are born athiest.

My parents are athiest, as are most of my family on my mom's side at that level (her cousins and siblings).

At school, it's "don't ask, don't tell" for my atheism. Unless someone asks, I won't get involved.

I was abused as a child and do get regular abuses.

They think I am with the devil, as if I believe in the devil.

I am talking about my Friends and Family members.
tell them atheists dont believe in devils either.

if they persist in abusing you,maybe you should learn karate or kung fu,and hit back ;)

:)

you could do what a many other atheists do; find some theists and abuse them.

start a war for peace, amen.

Well I've always been bitter about my catholic schooling. Just the nerve of those fuckers teaching you about Noah's ark as though it really happened. At an age when you will believe anything adults (especially teachers) tell you I think having lies forced down your throat when at a niave age is abuse.

If idiots want to believe this stuff, then let them choose when they are adults. Not all of us want to grow up to be idiots scarred by sectarian violence to boot.

I am lucky to have family and friends that simply don't care. My family is devout in their Christianity, but they never question why I don't go to church or I never pray, or the fact that I never talk about God. They either accept that I'm not religious, or they simply think I still believe but I choose not to wear my faith on my sleeve.

However, I don't go out of my way to make it known that I am a Deist, so that might be your problem. ;)

tell them atheists dont believe in devils either.

if they persist in abusing you,maybe you should learn karate or kung fu,and hit back ;)


Amen to martial arts (strongly recommend Choy Li Fut kung fu [that being what I study], beautiful, but deadly).

No I was not abused for being atheist.


I was abused as a child and do get regular abuses.

They think I am with the devil, as if I believe in the devil.

I am talking about my Friends and Family members.
How were you abused?

How were you abused?

My Aunt and Mom took me to Exorsist when I was 9 or 10 years old,

He had a broom like things with which he beat me up,

I was screaming to leave but he was big,

This was my bloody Aunts plan,

I hate my aunt ever since,

As I grew up I took out my angst on her,
now she doesnt dare to be around me.


Thank GOD I wasnt raped by him.



U can Imagine the teatment from such Orthodox parents all the time,

force or make unhappy for questioning the rituals

I was abused as a child and do get regular abuses.

They think I am with the devil, as if I believe in the devil.

I am talking about my Friends and Family members.

when my family found out then my brothers all disowned me, my mother and father have come around since, but only on the telephone, which is alright by me, because i'm under a sentence of death for my common sense.
so I keep out of the way.

My Aunt and Mom took me to Exorsist when I was 9 or 10 years old,

He had a broom like things with which he beat me up,

I was screaming to leave but he was big,

This was my bloody Aunts plan,

I hate my aunt ever since,

As I grew up I took out my angst on her,
now she doesnt dare to be around me.


Thank GOD I wasnt raped by him.



U can Imagine the teatment from such Orthodox parents all the time,

force or make unhappy for questioning the rituals

how has all that left you in the relationship with your mother?

how are intimate and secure personal relationships in general for you considering all this?

He had a broom like things with which he beat me up,
So basically the excorxist beat you up with a broom, and you reported it to the poice, and he's in jail.

I've a friend who was labelled 'satan' at school.

my mum is a lapsed catholic and really doesnt care.my dad is a quaker but we have had many conversations about my beliefs and he accepts them.i guess they think my life is my business and as long as i have reasons they arent going to force me to do anything.

I've a friend who was labelled 'satan' at school.

why?

when my family found out then my brothers all disowned me, my mother and father have come around since, but only on the telephone, which is alright by me, because i'm under a sentence of death for my common sense.
so I keep out of the way.

I'm glad we FINALLY have an apostate on sciforums. Maybe you are better equipped to understand and refute DiamondHearts/Muslim?

My parents never preached religion or forced us to go to church even though they themselves are believers in God. I have 3 brothers and 3 sisters and every one of them is an atheist. We never really talked about it much growing up and each of us was left to form our own opinions. I'm am glad that my parents did not feel it right to interfere with our 'spiritual ' development.

Because of this I firmly believe that kids, if left to their own devices, will chose atheism over religion in most cases. If given time without outside influence most people with half a brain will see the logic and sort things out. However I never experienced anything terribly traumatic or life altering, including death in the family, until I was much older and able to cope. I don't know why it is but some people become very religious after such an event occurs

So far, being an atheist has only cost me a good friend who after getting married went over to the other side when he found out he was sterile(see what I mean). I think he must have blamed it on his association with a known atheist(me)....I could never figure it out.

Amen to martial arts (strongly recommend Choy Li Fut kung fu [that being what I study], beautiful, but deadly).
Bah. A simple pocket knife or revolver gets the job done loads better.

I think being atheist is great, and that nobody should be abused for their belief. Why can't all religions just get along?

i just dont care about religion. if someone radically religious found out i was an atheist and tried to verbally or physically abuse me, i dont know what i would do. probably laugh in their face and walk away. how can belief in religion or lack of religion mean anything to anyone? its like hating someone because of their skin color. in the realm of debate its an interesting subject, but for me if a person i know is religious and acts like a semi-decent person and keeps their beliefs out of my way, i'm fine with that. if someone acts like a retard about it, i just write them off as part of the 200 million strong idiot population that lives in this country and go about my business of not giving a shit whether they live or die. i mean if you want to get technical about it, there's not really much you can do to change people's minds about it except maybe "religious cleansing" or something, but why stoop to their level, the way i see it, the worldview of religious people is so out of touch with reality, at some point they will have to admit that it is undeniably wrong or they will start to die off. either way its fine by me.

how has all that left you in the relationship with your mother?

how are intimate and secure personal relationships in general for you considering all this?

Thats the most painful thing to answer,

U want your Mom and Dad to love you because U love them,

but U also know that they hate U for what U believe in.

So basically the excorxist beat you up with a broom, and you reported it to the poice, and he's in jail.

at age of 10 ?

I dont even remember how we got there by train or bus.

Bah. A simple pocket knife or revolver gets the job done loads better.

Are U people crazy or what,

I was talking about treatment by family and friends, people who U want to be loved by.

Which is why martial arts is better. Tai Chi would be perfect in your case, the ability to defend yourself without ever harming your opponent(not to imply that you CAN'T harm them, just that you really don't have to, given the nature of the martial art's style).

Thats the most painful thing to answer,

U want your Mom and Dad to love you because U love them,

but U also know that they hate U for what U believe in.

what was it you believed in at that age, that made your parents hate you?

what was it you believed in at that age, that made your parents hate you?

In biblical terms I failed them,

Its unfortunate to have a child thats not ready to bow down before the lord.

Clearly a folower fo satan

I was talking about treatment by family and friends, people who you want to be loved by.
I wasn't.

im an atheist hence the name, anyway i have never been abused for it my parents dont care but them again most people in britain dont give a fuck about anything to do with the church hence the huge drop in the amount of people who go to church

Jax is right, in Britain there are very few strictly religious people and the general view is someone is agnostic unless you learn otherwise. My parents would find it very odd if i became a christian, even though i am called christian

In biblical terms I failed them,

Its unfortunate to have a child thats not ready to bow down before the lord.

Clearly a folower fo satan
is this why you think they hated you?

you where a child that was not ready to bow before the lord, so your parents hated you. i mean, i cant understand how that works. how were you not ready?

what does it mean to be ready to bow before the lord?

you use such a brutal lanuage you make it sound so evil, and you say this is demands your parents made of you.

were your parents evil as the impression you give of them?

I am glad that I grow up in a place where religion is only a word in history book.

I was abused as a child and do get regular abuses.

They think I am with the devil, as if I believe in the devil.

I am talking about my Friends and Family members.
The worst I've gotten is some kid telling me I'm going to Hell. Which is like telling someone an evil unicorn is coming to impale you.

were your parents evil as the impression you give of them?
They got an exorcist to beat her with a broomstick, and for her lack of belief. That's vile.

They got an exorcist to beat her with a broomstick, and for her lack of belief. That's vile.i read what happened to her, she does not say her parents "got an exorcist to beat her with a stick" she says "her parent took her to an exorcist an the exorcist bear her with a stick" the presuppositions of the two statements are different and neither of describe what happened acurately.

singularity has expressed a need to talk about this but has said to me she finds it difficult to say how she has been scarred by this event.

by answering for her you are telling me what it was like for her: "vile"
everyone will have an opinion about what it felt like to experience that, but singularityt is the only person who does know what that was like.

how do you know what she feels about this? why do you need to answer for her?

I'm glad we FINALLY have an apostate on sciforums. Maybe you are better equipped to understand and refute DiamondHearts/Muslim?
anybody is better able to refute, islam it's evil plain and simple.
and more so than xianity, and that is not an under statement.

Sounds like i got off lucky ;)

is this why you think they hated you?

you where a child that was not ready to bow before the lord, so your parents hated you. i mean, i cant understand how that works. how were you not ready?

what does it mean to be ready to bow before the lord?

you use such a brutal lanuage you make it sound so evil, and you say this is demands your parents made of you.

were your parents evil as the impression you give of them?

I just didnt see the point in praying god thats all, particularly when U r not supposed to questions the things that dont make sense or addup with reality.

eg. why should I follow a festive ritual when on the same day my friends had no such obligation and they wont goto hell for not doing same things.


The situation was brutal for me and evil for them,

whats there not to understand.

Me too. I was christian, but stopped being religious, and the only thing I hear is how worried my parents are that I'm not going to heaven :l It can be annoying, but it shows that they care so it's no big deal.

No one's been verbally abusive towards me about it, but I'm not talking very loudly about it here in Egypt :p

anybody is better able to refute, islam it's evil plain and simple.
and more so than xianity, and that is not an under statement.

your english is terrible

i read what happened to her, she does not say her parents "got an exorcist to beat her with a stick" she says "her parent took her to an exorcist an the exorcist bear her with a stick" the presuppositions of the two statements are different and neither of describe what happened acurately.

singularity has expressed a need to talk about this but has said to me she finds it difficult to say how she has been scarred by this event.

by answering for her you are telling me what it was like for her: "vile"
everyone will have an opinion about what it felt like to experience that, but singularityt is the only person who does know what that was like.

how do you know what she feels about this? why do you need to answer for her?

I dont know what it was, but he didnt beat me with a stick, it looked like

a broom made of feathers first he was just putting the damn thing on my face then as I began to cry he started to beatme up with it ,
asking the ghost to leave me, Thats all I remember.

I was screaming and my mom was outside the closed room with my Aunt.


I do know that my mom did that because she loved me and wanted me to be normal but thats not how I felt then.

I just didnt see the point in praying god thats all, particularly when U r not supposed to questions the things that dont make sense or addup with reality.


eg. why should I follow a festive ritual when on the same day my friends had no such obligation and they wont goto hell for not doing same things.
so their behaviour was something you did not wanted to emulate and they hated you for it. is

can i ask are you confused about something with this? what is it you need to understand? dont have to say if it is personal.



whats there not to understand.
it must be a cultural thing but i dont understand why anybody would hate or want to harm a child for being independent, free thinking.

I dont know what it was, but he didnt beat me with a stick, it looked like

a broom made of feathers first he was just putting the damn thing on my face then as I began to cry he started to beatme up with it ,
asking the ghost to leave me, Thats all I remember.
he thought you had a ghost inside you because you did not want to pray or follow a ritual? ? he sounds distrubed!



I do know that my mom did that because she loved me and wanted me to be normal but thats not how I felt then.how did it feel? what is it like now and how has it affected your relationship with your mum? you have said it is hard to talk about if you dont want to i understand, you know.

your english is terrible
so is yours.
I quote- "i think he knows what a jihad is you dumbass"
should read "i think he knows what a jihad is, you fool." there is no such word as "dumbass" in the english language, so I omited that.
maybe he made minature ice skates and salcowed around the sea galilee, should read "maybe he made minature ice skates, and sculled( i think this might be right but not sure) around the sea galilee." there is no such word as "salcowed" in the english language, so I tried to find an alternative.

we dont pick fault with peoples grammer, as there are too many different nationalities on these boards, whos first language is not english. your not insulting them, your only making a fool out of yourself.

so their behaviour was something you did not wanted to emulate and they hated you for it....

I am not sure what they thought, I can only speculate.

They prayed god without failing every day of theirs life,

and here I was telling them that its all waste of energy as I grewup.

The truth is that their behaviour made me hate them.

how did it feel? what is it like now and how has it affected your relationship with your mum?...

I hate my parent for making me unhappy all my childhood for not being religious.

I hate them that they told me all the rational things need not be followed.

Well said geeser ;)

Singularity:

I feel for you, though I still think your parents love you, and care for you, it's only natural they worry about you, though it's kind of warped belief they have, they think you are doomed for eternity, going to hell, and the such. All this shows if anything concern for your wellbeing. Anyhow educate them, slowly, use the bible if you have to, just educate them.

You don't state your age, so I assume you'r all grown up now? right?

If you are not grown up, don't try to educate, they believe they know best, if you are, well it's up to you to try to educate or just leave it at that. But do know that they love you, and care for you, that's why they act as they do.

BTW I went through about the same thing, though not so drastic, my dad was an atheist, mom a catholic "thought not totally zealots" I've educated my mom on religion as much as I posibly could, she does not consider herself a catholic today, nor accepts much of religious rhetoric, she believes in god, but does not adhire to any kind of religion, a deist is what she has become. I can deal with that.

I've gone through 3 different denominations of christianity. Catholism, christian, and then last babtist. I turned my back on religion when I turned 21, the choice when i anounsed it to my family was not well taken by mom, or my sister, though they are over it now, I don't wear my lack of belief on my shoulders, don't anounce it to anyone, unless the subject comes up.

Godless

at age of 10 ?

I dont even remember how we got there by train or bus.
OK so he basically abused you, and he escaped.
Even if you were to go to certain police, some might think you deserved it if they do not like atheists.


I just didnt see the point in praying god thats all, particularly when U r not supposed to questions the things that dont make sense or addup with reality.

eg. why should I follow a festive ritual when on the same day my friends had no such obligation and they wont goto hell for not doing same things.


The situation was brutal for me and evil for them,

whats there not to understand.
Part of freedom is that it is unethical for any religion to force people to abide by their religious activities even if they have different beliefs.


I hate my parent for making me unhappy all my childhood for not being religious.

I hate them that they told me all the rational things need not be followed.
Hmm.


I hate my parent for making me unhappy all my childhood for not being religious.

I hate them that they told me all the rational things need not be followed.
So does this mean you will do the same, and persecute people of other religions like the Atheist Avenger?

Or will you learn from this, and try to prevent these things from being done to atheists and all other religions?

So does this mean you will do the same, and persecute people of other religions like the Atheist Avenger?

Or will you learn from this, and try to prevent these things from being done to atheists and all other religions?

I am not an Activist but I were I will try to fix laws to protect Atheists.

Other religions, who cares about religions.

Im sorry that you are being abused for being an atheist. I used to be one, but fortunantly my family was understanding enough to let me believe what I believed. And now that I'm not an atheist they still stand behind me. I wish everyone had friends and family like that. I wish you all the best.

My Aunt and Mom took me to Exorsist when I was 9 or 10 years old,

He had a broom like things with which he beat me up,

I was screaming to leave but he was big,

This was my bloody Aunts plan,

I hate my aunt ever since,

As I grew up I took out my angst on her,
now she doesnt dare to be around me.


Thank GOD I wasnt raped by him.



U can Imagine the teatment from such Orthodox parents all the time,

force or make unhappy for questioning the rituals

HA ha ha ha ha ha ha. :D

nah, im sorry for laughing at ya.

but u got to admit thats pretty funny, and its not that bad.....your mom may have had issues (whos doesnt?), you got to be the strong one....tell her you love her and good things will happen to you. :p

learn to forgive and forget. as far as religion, dont let anyone steal your faith or your beliefs....your smart and your a fighter, we all know your gonna do great things.

i read what happened to her, she does not say her parents "got an exorcist to beat her with a stick" she says "her parent took her to an exorcist an the exorcist bear her with a stick" the presuppositions of the two statements are different and neither of describe what happened acurately.
I must have misread then.

by answering for her you are telling me what it was like for her: "vile"
everyone will have an opinion about what it felt like to experience that, but singularityt is the only person who does know what that was like.

how do you know what she feels about this? why do you need to answer for her?
I'm not answering for her. One isn't answering for someone when, for example, they call what a serial murderer does vile. I'm saying that the act I previously thought was committed was vile, regardless of whether someone subject to it would think the same thing or not.

One isn't answering for someone when, for example, they call what a serial murderer does vile. but one is answering for someone when for expamle someone is asked "what was that like?" and one says "it was vile." to me that is answering for someone else.

futile argumenet really.

Im sorry that you are being abused for being an atheist. I used to be one, but fortunantly my family was understanding enough to let me believe what I believed. And now that I'm not an atheist they still stand behind me. I wish everyone had friends and family like that. I wish you all the best.you sir are a lier, if you say you were an atheist, you could never have been an atheist, and not remained so.
however welcome to sciforums.

but one is answering for someone when for expamle someone is asked "what was that like?" and one says "it was vile." to me that is answering for someone else.
That must be you then. I did not give that thought to answer anyone's question. I wasn't even aware of that question until you pointed it out. I tend to skim threads when there's not a lot of essential material in it. I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding, but I was not answering for her, nor did I ever claim to be. And whether or not you think the argument is futile, I'm the one most aware of my own intentions.

daktaklakpak:

I am glad that I grow up in a place where religion is only a word in history book.

Where was that?