Israelis strongly support Bush win
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20041021-113332-9898r.h (http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20041021-113332-9898r.htm) tm

The election has been decided and you can now all go back to your slave-pits .

So Tel Aviv decides....

they're basically alone on this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/viewsofamerica/story/0,15221,1327568,00.html

Again if the US votes Bush, her only real ally will be Israel. The EU will become the world’s moral leader. So really is it all that bad if Bush is elected twice? Weakness through strength I suppose eh America?

I dont think Kerry offers any alternative he is afterall just like Bush filling a pair of shoes whilst wealthy corporations run America basically around its own needs .

Again if the US votes Bush, her only real ally will be Israel. The EU will become the world’s moral leader. So really is it all that bad if Bush is elected twice? Weakness through strength I suppose eh America?
I really dont think it matters who wins the US election , it will , as always , be business as usual .

Kerry's and Bush's policies are basically the same. Nothing will really change with neither (unless you count the tax as the first on the list).

There is only one fundamental difference. The World doesn't likes Bush for what he's done in the last 4 years. Kerry is a new face, new credibility. Kerry is USA's last chance to renew their credibility and not allow the moral of the World to re-concentrate in Europe. I live in Portugal and hell, I'd hate it to happen.

I think it will this time around, now of course Israel will still be America's god. But under Kerry America can at least regain some modicum of respect worldwide, and should start to get its horrid financial house in order.

Are you sure about Kerry he is afterall just another employee of corporate empire .........

So was Bush. Are ya accusing Kerry of something . . . :bugeye:

6 POSTS TO GO!!!

So was Bush.
And still is !
6 POSTS TO GO!!!
Congratulations are in order ! Ill give it to you when you reach 1000 .

what about this (http://victoryfund.njdc.org/bubbie/)?

majority of Jewish Americans (75%) will vote for Kerry. saw it in some survey last week.

that's because there are other issues on their minds. plus, support for Israel is bi-partisan (unless Kerry will do anothera crobatic flip-flop if he gets elected)

Brian, i like your conspiracy theory - you see the unavoidable re-election of Bush coming - an affirmation that the majority of Americans want him as president, contrary to Moore, Hollywood and the mainstream media are saying. so you pre-emptively throw a typical anti-Semitic insults (the Mythical Power of The Jews)

next time Osama strikes i hope it's your house

Brian,
I agree that Kerry is part of the establishment. Voting for him will however be a political mandate against the Bush policies. I don't agree that Bush represents 'buisness as usual'. He has moved the nation towards destruction on many fronts. I would take a status quo ante bellum in a heartbeat over the looming world war.

http://www.njdc.org/issues/detail.php?id=383
quotes from John Kerry about Israel (from link above)


he described the fence as "a fence necessary to the security of Israel until they have a partner to be able to negotiate"
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"I support the building of the security fence"
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"And I want you to know that, as president, my promise to the people of Israel is this: I will never force Israel to make concessions that cost or compromise any of Israel's security. The security of Israel is paramount. And we [are] an ally and we are a friend and we have a special relationship, and we must remember that. We will also never expect Israel to negotiate peace without a credible partner"
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"Our commitment must be clear: We should never pressure Israel to compromise its security; never coerce it to negotiate for peace without a credible partner; and always work to provide the political and military support for Israel's fight against terror"
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"Now I think what the President did in the last few days is to recognize a reality that even President Clinton came to: if you're going to have a Jewish state, and that is what we are committed to do and that is what Israel is, you cannot have a right of return that's open ended -- you just can't do it. It's always been a non-starter. I personally said that at a speech I gave to the Arab community in New York at the World Economic Forum. I've said that. I've also said that it is realistic because we know that at Taba they negotiated the annexation of certain territory. So it's really stating a reality"
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'I can guarantee you that as president, I understand not just how we do that but also how we end this sweetheart relationship with a bunch of Arab countries that still allows money to move to Hamas, Hezballah and the Al Aqsa Brigade'"
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"I believe Israel has every right in the world to respond to any act of terror against it. Hamas is a terrorist, brutal organization. It has had years to make up its mind to take part in a peaceful process; and they refuse to, Arafat refuses to"
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"As far as I'm concerned he's an outlaw to the peace process. ...and he's proved himself to be irrelevant"
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"Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah's outrageous anti-Semitic comments this week blaming 'Zionists' for the terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia raises serious questions about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's commitment to combating terrorism. President Bush has said nothing. As President, I will never permit this kind of attack to go unanswered"


election year demagoguery? maybe
but those are bold and specific statements which will come back to hunt him if he flip flops in the future.

as far as i see, he's much more pro-Israel than Bush, who recently included some bullshit in his otherwise good speech at the UN

Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and avoid any actions that prejudice final negotiations.


even though it may be a small bone he threw to the terrorist world, it's the principle
where are his? was he pressured to include this in the speech?
it's absolute bullshit.

Kerry, who has a Jewish father, and whose record of voting re: Israel is 100% pro Israel (at least it's one thing he's been consistent about, except being inconsistent about everything else), looks at this point like a better ally for Israel

i think the whole argument of the original post is nonsense

i think the whole argument of the original post is nonsense

Actually no its not, as you can see oth you do have investigative powers. You see I watched on CNN inside politics how many Israeli’s are voting Bush this time around because they believe Kerry to be to “weak” in the “terrorists”. Although most American Jews vote Democrat, most Zionists would probably vote Bush, and thus most Israeli’s.


so you pre-emptively throw a typical anti-Semitic insults

Talk about conspiracy! Anti-Semitism doesn’t exist, there were no anti-Jewish mutterings. Please understand that nothing here was said against Jews. Since you aren't one, you shouldn't be offended anyways.

next time Osama strikes i hope it's your house

Oh I think Osama is a convienient jack-in-the box for hype 100 to 1 most of Al-Qaeda are actually CIA informants .

Brian,
I agree that Kerry is part of the establishment. Voting for him will however be a political mandate against the Bush policies. I don't agree that Bush represents 'buisness as usual'. He has moved the nation towards destruction on many fronts. I would take a status quo ante bellum in a heartbeat over the looming world war.
Thats what I have not been hearing from these 2 candidates and that is what is the future of this war in Iraq . Kerry has criticized Bush over this war but he has yet to my knowledge actually say he plans to withdraw from Iraq . Has Kerry laid a policy format out for you which encompasses actions the Kerry administration (if elected) will take in the prosecution of this conflict . Will Kerry repeal the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Bill ? Will Kerry roll back Bush's tax cuts for the rich ? I believe if you read between the lines you will see Kerry as a doppleganger of Bush .

Thats what I have not been hearing from these 2 candidates and that is what is the future of this war in Iraq .
Kerry has criticized Bush over this war but he has yet to my knowledge actually say he plans to withdraw from Iraq .
Has Kerry laid a policy format out for you which encompasses actions the Kerry administration (if elected) will take in the prosecution of this conflict .

In the debates he laid out an agenda to begin to withdraw troops within 6 months

Will Kerry repeal the Patriot Act

He said in the debates that he will revisit the Patriot act to cut out the infringement of civil liberties and clarify terms.

and Homeland Security Bill ?

He said he would fully fund it, and do more to protect bridges,tunnels, ports, and borders.

Will Kerry roll back Bush's tax cuts for the rich ?

This is a centerpiece of his budget.

I believe if you read between the lines you will see Kerry as a doppleganger of Bush

I don't know which lines you have been reading.
They are both rich white men, that is similar.

Don't you agree that to not elect Bush, is to declare his 'doctorine' unpalatable to the people. Kerry could be anybody in this regard.

In the debates he laid out an agenda to begin to withdraw troops within 6 months
Withdraw to where ? Kuwait ? How many troops ? or will those personnel be naval recruits ? Why not immediately withdraw troops why 6 months ?

This is a centerpiece of his budget.
Far from it he has made no commitment to roll back the entirety of the Tax Cuts , in fact , from what I have seen he will cap some of the corporate tax cut . In effect leaving the fat cats a hell of lot richer but just a little poorer than Bush would of made them richer .


I don't know which lines you have been reading.
They are both rich white men, that is similar.

Thats the deception if you take a comprehensive look at their policies it offers nothing and promises nothing the old fashioned tried and proven 2 party dictatorship at work .

Don't you agree that to not elect Bush, is to declare his 'doctorine' unpalatable to the people. Kerry could be anybody in this regard.
Its all Bullshit and Bluesky thats all they offer .

I agree that the American political process is broken.
'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss' is just not credible when the old boss is outside the bounds of bossyness.

Kerry says withdraw troops within 6 months, Bush says this is a generational struggle.

Kerry's 'centerpiece' is to rollback the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% or citizens, and close corporate tax evasion loopholes, and reinstitute a pay as you go bugetary system.

Kerry also espouses expanding healthcare to over 28 million more people.

I don't know anybody more cynical than me regarding the state. Major reform on many fronts is needed desparately. I do not think that Kerry has all the answers. But to fail to acknowledge the obvious public mandate that will arise from ousting Bush is not cynical, it is imo flawed.