Well-balanced accusations by Iranian delegate at Elie Wiesel

The Iranian delegate called him a "weasel"? Why? Because he speaks out against atrocities? Because he wrote a book about putting God on trial? Because be believes the Holocaust actually occurred? I can see how those wouldn't go down well with Iran's enlightened collection of reactionaries.

And weasel they called him? Have they seen their dwarfish president?

 

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Probably because he supports Jewish settlements in Palestine and hence shows by his actions that Hitlers ideologies have won him over.

 

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Does he? Got a link? Which ones?

Anyway, even if he had, Sam - which country has not violated human rights? Or some other such tu quoque.

 

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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/21/obscene-ahmadinejad-entourage-screams-zionazi-at-elie-wiesel/

 

Which is why he is an irrelevant weasel

Read his editorials in the NYT.

Or the criticisms of his idelogies on the world wide web.

http://www.israel-academia-monitor....EBSESSIONSID=fa54aeee7a742681735d42b202ea1ef3

 

None of that supports your argument, Sam. Is this hatred just directed at him because he's Jewish?

 

Of course, I hate Jews who think that non-Jews have no human rights. Its called the new antisemitism.

I am against all Jews who fund Jewish settlements and think that only Jews have a right to live in Jerusalem.

All very Aryan I'm sure, but not my cup of tea.

 

Do you hate people who hate Jews? Because it's those kind of people that got us here.

 

Like this?

Heart rending, isn't it?

Think he's referring to this?

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http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/elie-wiesel-feels-tibetan-pain/

 

So what? After what atrocities Israel committed in Gaza who cares if the Iranian had trashed the Simon Wiesenthal Centre as well.

 

OK - so what has he said specifically regarding the West Bank? Or does he just support the existence of Israel? Shall I not - as you do for Hamas - excuse him then on the basis of the rest of his works?

Because the Simon Wiesenthal Centre is devoted to hunting down Nazis. Nazism being - as you may recall - responsible for the murder of 6 million people.

Although, now that you mention it, I can see why Ammo Ammy and his reactionary clique would be opposed to that sort of thing. :shrug:

 

Look it up. You don't actually read any references or links anyway

Whats your opinion on Palestinians hunting down people associated with the nakba?

 

I do. All yours end up supporting me in the end. :shrug: Or don't say what you want them to say.

My position is that the hateful will always look for scapegoats on which to vent their rage, guilty of whatever crime the powerful deem them to be.

I understand your position is that civilian casualties during these hunts are necessary 'collateral damage'.

 

Of course. Like the Nebi Musa riots.

Strange view you have of those hunting down Nazis

Thats your position. You support the Jewish state, as I recall. Any non-Jews killed in the process being "the hateful"

 

Yes, that would be one. I thank you for coming clean about it.

Oh? You know that these "collaborators" (defined on what basis, again?) are members of the Nazi party?

Heh. Nope. Care to try again? Or you could just slander some more, if you like.

 

The one where you claimed Jews were targeted by Muslims, when it was a reenactment of the crusades and had zero Jewish involvement.

Yup, they have the Aryan state, the leibenstraum and the untermenschen

So whats your opinion of the 300 children killed in January in Gaza? Were they targeted or were they collateral damages?

 

No asshole it was responsible for 12 but of course the non jewish victims don't matter to people like you.

 

Two points to consider:

1) In 1904, British colonial officials offered land in Uganda for Jews to use as a new homeland; the Zionist leader Herzl actually wanted to accept the proposal, but the Zionist council refused the offer. How different history could have been if the Jewish population of Europe and Russia could have been established in an African homeland by, say, 1910? The first fifty years of a Ugandan-based Jewish state in British-controlled Uganda, until the 1960's--though Heaven only knows what Idi Amin would've done with them.

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2) How closely related are the modern Jewish population of Israel to the original, Bible-times population? Is there any ethnic connection at all? I ask because the Jews were expelled from Israel in the 2nd Century AD, and spent at least 1800 years living in other parts of the world; and, being Human, mixing with other people. Therefore, hence my second question about the strength of the ethnic connection between the original and later populations.

 

Elie Wiesel used to command my respect. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way he has lost his humanity. the very cause that he championed.

Either way, even thought human beings sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, don`t often get a chance to voice there contempt against Israel in the Western media, I believe the Iranian delegate should have tempered his language and reserved his outburst. It was insensitive and inappropriate at such a time of remembrance.

Shalom

 

Er, this is demonstrably false. Jews were attacked in the Nebi Musa riots, even though the actual initial target was the local Christian community.

Those silly extremist minorities. Can't even figure out who they hate more.

Well, actually they have none of those, but don't let that hold you back.

"Collateral". (An unpleasant term.) Unless you have evidence they were struck because they were specifically haters of Jews?

You're quite right - it was actually 11-17 million, and more if you count civilian deaths in other countries - but also quite wrong when you say they don't matter to me.

If you like, tough guy, you could bravely edit my Sciforums Encyclopedia page again? The gutsy move.