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Votorx
11-19-04, 11:03 AM
A few days ago during my American history class I learned a new word. Lmao, I know it’s sad but before then I never knew or even heard the word “Military Industrial Complex”. Ironically since I’ve learned this word I have heard it several times in the past few days. Why is it that I could never recall ever hearing this word used not even once before, even though I heard it so often now? This isn’t a coincidence either, because I’ve noticed this happen quite a few times where I learn a new word and hear it used during my day several times, even though I never noticed it before.

So here comes my conclusion and what this post is about. I believe that our perception goes much deeper and is much more fully effected than we think. We go through life believing we are aware of our surroundings, that we notice everything that we can, meanwhile that’s no where near to being true. In fact I believe that we truly see nothing until it directly effects us, like being told the meaning of a new word for example. Unless that something directly influences our lives we will go on for the rest of our time completely oblivious to it. Imagine the millions of things that must be sitting right in front of us that we don’t know about because we haven’t accidentally stumbled over it yet. I don’t think I’m the only case either I’d imagine this has happened to quite of a few people if you haven’t noticed it yet. As well I believe the reason why we can’t solve the impossible questions like, Is there a god? Or What’s going to happen in the future?, because we haven’t been subjected to these things yet, therefore we can only guess. Maybe that’s also why we can’t figure out if god is for real or not because he/she can’t become involved with our lives.

invert_nexus
11-19-04, 12:42 PM
It's the red car syndrome. You buy a red car and suddenly you're seeing red car's everywhere. Everyone in the world seemingly owns a red car. But, they were all there before they just never made it past your subconscious into your active interpreter (mind).

Check out these videos.
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/23.html (1.1 MB)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/11.html (4.5 MB)

http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/12.html
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/10.html
(These two require Java and are 3 MB each, but I highly suggest that you watch these.)

http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/1.html (300 k)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/2.html (200 k)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/3.html (1.2 MB)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/4.html (700 k)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/5.html (900 k)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/8.html (200 k)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/9.html (250 k)
(These are interesting and might surprise you.)

http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/20.html (5.5 MB)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/25.html (5.5 MB)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/24.html (5.5 MB)
http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/15.html (7.5 MB Java)
(Watch these. Report back what you see.)

All these came from http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/djs_lab/demos.html
I linked them seperately because by clicking the links on the main page, it gives some of them away. The point is to be unaware of what it is you are about to see. There are a few more links on the page that I haven't given. The last two groups on the page are about shapes moving about on the screen and I don't find them as interesting as all the above links.

Watch these and think of the Red Car Syndrome.

Votorx
11-19-04, 06:40 PM
lmao and I thought I came up with something original -.-

Quantum Quack
11-25-04, 04:33 AM
I think Votorx your conclusion goes way deeper than the Red Car Syndrome.
In fact it is so deep that most wont notice it.....[chuckle]

I also have discovered this effect of what I call 'blind-spotting' Where a persons perception is blinded to certain things usually of subconscious causality.

It reminds me of a sci fi psychic book I read where a person starts to see a dimension that co-exists with this one but is only able to be seen perpendicular to the line of sight.

In other words, two entire totally unique universes co-exist but can not be descerned from either universe because our line of sight is is unable to bend 90 degrees.

So of course no one notices that there are two universes.

Then one day the guy in the story looks in a series of mirrors that happens to be positioned just right and well...there it is...and he notices this other universe..... and other people he tells just can't see what he sees......

They are blinded by their fear....

more later.....

beyondtimeandspace
11-25-04, 10:11 AM
This is actually one of the more interesting threads that I've read on here in quite a while. I am aware of this condition, and in regards to your conclusion, I have something I'd like to add.

*Votorx*"As well I believe the reason why we can’t solve the impossible questions like, Is there a god? Or What’s going to happen in the future?, because we haven’t been subjected to these things yet, therefore we can only guess. Maybe that’s also why we can’t figure out if god is for real or not because he/she can’t become involved with our lives."

I was sitting in on a friend's Psychology class this past summer, and one of the things discussed was "Critical Stages of Development." During such stages, if your senses aren't subjected to certain stimuli, then you will never be able to perceive that stimuli. For example, in the eye there are receptors that pick up different aspects of the visual system. Some pick up vertical and horizontal edges (combinations of these are what make up all other peceived edges), others pick up colors etc... The Visual Cortex has certain Critical Stages during infancy. If, during one of these stages, the eyes are not exposed to... say... vertical edges, but is exposed to horizontal edges, then the eyes of that person will NEVER be able to perceive vertical edges. So, if, after such a case occurs, you stick a pencil in front of that person's face and angle it vertically, the pencil would not be visual to the person. It would only become visual when it is turned horizontally. Likewise, the same can occur with colors, textures, depth, etc...

It occurred to me that, perhaps, there were also critical stages of development for the spiritual sphere as well. So often in ancient texts and manuscripts you read about this spiritual world that literally seems non-existent now. However, these texts speak about them as though they were common, everyday occurrances. It simply seems that in those times, the spiritual world was an easily perceived phenomenon. Perhaps we simply aren't exposed to that realm during our critical stages of development, hence why such a world seems so alien to us.

Just some thoughts....

Quantum Quack
11-25-04, 05:28 PM
Scenario:
we have three upturned cups. only one has the correct answer in it.

If you choose the cup with answer A you die.
If you choose the cup with answer B we all die.

If you choose the cup with answer C you beome famous and die wealthy...

So would you guess which cup the correct answer is and risk yours and ours lives in the process?

To find out how the universe "God" was created we find out how to destroy the universe.

If mankind is contantly tempted by his own violent nature, would you trust this knowledge with humanity? [maybe the proliferation nuclear weapons aren't a good enough example]
So that he can "Guess" his way through the solution.

So I would suggest that the answers to the big questions are not going to come until we are ready to use that knowledge properly and to the universes benefit not detriment and some knowledges you just can't GUESS at.

So our fear of the solution keeps us from seeing it.

BTW
BTAS, you have mentioned conditioned developement. I agree. Have heard of people for instance that can only see the left or right sides of objects in a way that they can express. Like drawing half a picture of a house instead of a full house due to brain damage etc....