We must defend liberty at ALL cost!

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  1. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    WASHINGTON, DC—Responding to the threats facing America's free democratic system, White House officials called upon Americans to stop exercising their democratic freedoms Monday.


    Above: Ari Fleischer urges Americans to keep their mouths shut.
    "In this time of national crisis, a time when our most cherished freedoms are threatened, all Americans—not just outspoken talk-show hosts like Bill Maher—must watch what they say," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told reporters. "Now more than ever, if we want to protect democracy for future generations, it is vital that nobody speak out about the issues of the day."

    "We must all do our patriotic duty to protect our country's great ideals," Fleischer continued, "and we have to be careful about what opinions we express if we are to defend our Constitution, a sacred document behind which all Americans must stand united as one."

    Fleischer's sentiments echoed those of many executive-branch officials, who, in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have called for broad-based limitations on civil liberties—and urged all patriotic, freedom-loving citizens to support those restrictions—in defense of the American way of life.

    "We live in a land governed by plurality of opinion in an open electorate, but we are now under siege by adherents of a fundamentalist, totalitarian belief system that tolerates no dissent," Attorney General John Ashcroft said. "Our most basic American values are threatened by an enemy opposed to everything for which our flag stands. That is why I call upon all Americans to submit to wiretaps, e-mail monitoring, and racial profiling. Now is not the time to allow simplistic, romantic notions of 'civil liberties' and 'equal protection under the law' to get in the way of our battle with the enemies of freedom."

    In the past, Ashcroft said, efforts by federal agencies to restrict personal freedoms were "severely hampered" by such factors as the judicial system, the Bill Of Rights, and "government by the people." Since the attacks, however, some such limitations have been waived, finally giving the CIA, FBI, Pentagon, and White House the greater powers they need to defend freedom.

    U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who advocated permitting the CIA to engage in various illegal activities during a recent Tonight Show With Jay Leno appearance, stressed the importance of not merely submitting to freedom-curtailment policies, but also blindly agreeing with them.

    "Now is not the time for such divisive, destructive things as dialogue and debate," McCain said. "Now is not the time for, 'My opinion is just as valid as yours,' and 'What are my country's leaders doing and why?' and 'I have a question, Mr. President.' Now is the time for one thing and one thing only: The defense of the American democratic ideal. Any and all who disagree with this directive, or who have different ideas about how it should be accomplished, should learn to shut their mouths."

    As the U.S. prepares to mobilize forces against Afghanistan, the military is seeking strong limitations on the press. According to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, such a Constitution-flouting move would not be unprecedented, citing the suspension of habeas corpus in the Civil War and the order to round up 110,000 Japanese-Americans in detention camps after the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

    "Remember, under the oppressive Taliban regime, people live in constant fear of an oppressive order to which all must submit," Rumsfeld said. "Under their system, it is illegal to practice a different religion or support a different political system. It is against the law for women to work or leave their homes without their faces covered. There is no freedom of speech, press, or assembly, as dissent of any kind is not tolerated. It is even forbidden to smile or laugh in public, and all who fail to unquestioningly obey are punished with reprisals of brutal violence. We must not allow such a regime to threaten our great democracy. We must stand for something better than that."

    "It is therefore urgent," Rumsfeld continued, "that all Americans be quiet, stop asking questions, accept the orders of authorities, and let us get on with the important work of defending liberty, so that America can continue to be a beacon of freedom to all the world."
     
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  3. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Fighting this war for our freedom, at the cost of our freedom!

    I read your article it was a good one, here's a link to the current news on the subject.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/attack/2001/10/12/bill-passed.htm

    Ironically, Osamma Bin Landen said he would change America, and by what I see going on, he was right!!.

    However if you really want to know what this freaking war is really all about, read this link;

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

    It's not conspiracie theories, it's reality!!.
     
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  5. jandt remlik Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Fighting this war for our freedom, at the cost of our freedom!


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  7. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Godless and JandT ...

    Re. whatreallyhappened.com

    Being the cynic that I am and an ex-submariner, I paid particular interest to the article on the Kurst and came to the conclusion that 'whatreallyhappened' is a tabloid for all practical purposes.

    machaon The good old 'father knows best' bit. So, what else is new?
     
  8. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Re: Fighting this war for our freedom, at the cost of our freedom!

    No problem Jt, I'm one of those who does not completely throw my trust upon the US goverment, I love this country I just hate what this goverment does, it undermines the Bill of Rights, and it is searching for ways to get rid of the Constitution, by inventing the enemy within theory, it is trying and oviously you can see this happening in the news.

    Here's another link from a newspaper you may find interesting;


    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2001/10/12/107.html

    See foryourselves what is really happening!.

    And further editing of this post, I've found some other story of interest, why do these people hate the US so much?, perhaps this can answer this question;

    http://observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,573788,00.html

    It seems that We the People have been wrongly represented by our goverment!.
     
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  9. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    Thanx Godless

    The above is an exerpt from an article I read from one of the links you provided. These are some of the resrictions that have actually, really really been removed from US government powers. I am at a loss for words. We have all ready lost the war. I have little doubt that the definition of terrorism will grow larger and larger via small increments as the government sees fit.

    I would really not be much more appalled if the original US constitution was removed and placed upon House floor and then, in turn, pissed upon by every member of congress.
     
  10. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Glad to be of help

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    I would really not be much more appalled if the original US constitution was removed and placed upon House floor and then, in turn, pissed upon by every member of congress.

    Your statement was very disturbing, however you may not be far from the truth! Check this story out!.

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.htmlCheck

    Hey how about a little cut and paste?, check this out;

    "QUOTE OF THE DAY!"

    ``The [government] must put the most modern medical means in the service of this knowledge.... Those who are physically and mentally unhealthy and unworthy must not perpetuate their suffering in the body of their children.... The prevention of the faculty and opportunity to procreate on the part of the physically degenerate and mentally sick, over a period of only 600 years, would ... free humanity from an immeasurable misfortune.''

    -- Adolf Hitler


    ``The per capita income gap between the developed and the developing countries is increasing, in large part the result of higher birth rates in the poorer countries.... Famine in India, unwanted babies in the United States, poverty that seemed to form an unbreakable chain for millions of people--how should we tackle these problems?.... It is quite clear that one of the major challenges of the 1970s ... will be to curb the world's fertility.''
    -- George H. W. Bush


    It really irritates me the rest of America sleeps while this goverment is completely taking advantage of the ignorant masses!. Are we heading in to some kind of Facist state? Socialism? or Communist? you pick, the way the goverment is running amock its a trylateral system of the 3 forms of economic states.
     
  11. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Hey! Machaon check this out..

    No need to panic is the message we get from the media, however here at home things are going from bad to worst!
    And now for the real deal of why I don't trust the goverment, new ID cards, yeap, new rhetoric, goverment beuracrats and the real evil company of "Oracle" is planning to come up with a plan for new ID cards.


    http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/id101701.htm

    Just in case you may be a terrorist!! I thought you ought to know! lol.
     
  12. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    National ID card.

    If the government is to try to force me to submit to a national ID card, it would be in its best interest to remove my right to bear arms first. They have the order all wrong. But judging by the great multitudes of mindless Americans that concur to the relinquishing of constitutional rights, that right will be gone soon enough. One does not have to be an activist or a radical to be alarmed by the growing and unconstitutional powers of the federal government. One just needs be aware. But who cares about rights if they get in the way of the federal governments ability to protect us from a world that attempts to undermine the joy we find in the corporate trinkets that line the shelves of Wal-Mart?
     
  13. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Comments for Today!

    My favorite Tabloid on the net, Whatreallyhappened.com has this to say;

    The most likely motive for the Anthrax being sent to congress is to discourage congressmen from reading letters from the people of the United States, thereby making the CIA controlled media and rigged polls the only source of information in which Congress can act.

    My fear is that this may be true!.
     
  14. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    The Isralites might of had a hand on the WTC attack.

    First I heard this coming from a major figure in the Islam Church of New York City, it was on an Islam website, I kind of blew it off, as well it's a possibility, the truth will come out sooner or later.

    Today however I saw this;

    http://frontierpost.com.pk/main.asp?id=8&date1=9/16/2001

    The question now, did this country's goverment have a covert motive to partake in such an operation?.

    Today's whatreallyhappened's quote of the day;

    "QUOTE OF THE DAY!"

    "We take people’s freedoms away. We put your son, we put your daughter in jail. We take away your freedom. We take away your house. We take away your assets. We compile files of your information-FBI dossiers- on you. If that doesn’t give you pause for thought, nothing in this life will."
    -- Paul Mark Moskal, Special Agent, Buffalo, NY
     
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