http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/109/ Was Columbus Jewish?

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history_community/Medieval/TheStory6321666/Expulsion/DestinationNewWorld.htm

http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/southwater/113/was_christopher_columbus_jewish.htm The case for Columbus's Jewish origins is not presented solely by Jews. The consensus of Spanish and Vatican historians seems to be for the position, while that of Italian historians is against it.

Who cares. It's not as if he was the first to discover the Americas in the first place, so him having that title means little, let alone him being Jewish as if to make some kinda radical or controversial dent in history. Amusing how everyone defends themselves so greatly as if it's that important as to who and what he was. Jew, Spanish, Italian, who cares. Talk about penis envy for one's country.

- N

So what if he was Jewish--it's not like that fact (true or not) made a great deal of difference in the history of America. Anyway, you tell the Scandanavians or American Indians that Columbus discovered America and they'll just laugh at you.

i thought the vikings discovered america.

The failed 1492 Expedition to Japan was a far more Jewish affair than most people realise -- both in its finance and in its crewing. However, the Jews often choose a non-Jewish "front man" for their schemes, though frequently one who is "foreign" in some other way. Such outsiderness (or sometimes some defect of body or character) increases dependence on the man's Jewish sponsors.

In those days, untitled people were often referred to by baptised name and place of origin. Ones place of birth was almost part of ones name. I believe there is evidence that Colon/Columbus was known as coming from Genoa, though we know he spoke and wrote Castillano. The Jews would be content that this made him "not quite Spanish". [Of course, Colon's long campaign for an expedition to the west made him an obvious candidate for Captain-General.]

It is evident that the Jews retained considerable hidden power and influence in Spain after their (intended) expulsion in 1492. If Colon had been Jewish, might the Jews not have been able to do more to assist his future career? He had a rough time of things, including arrest of maladministration, and died a relatively poor man.

Who cares.
- N

The racist Tali does of course. He has posted 5 or 6 anti muslim threads. Now he is posting pro Israeli threads.

Of course Brain Foley was banned for talking bad about Israel and talking good about Muslims. It all comes down to who you talk about.

Talk bad about Israel, get banned.

Talk bad about Muslims, talk all you want.

Talk bad about Muslims, talk all you want.

Not quite. Kiwi123 was banned for just that. http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51106

Who cares.

I agree entirely.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/109/ Was Columbus Jewish?

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history_community/Medieval/TheStory6321666/Expulsion/DestinationNewWorld.htm

http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/southwater/113/was_christopher_columbus_jewish.htm The case for Columbus's Jewish origins is not presented solely by Jews. The consensus of Spanish and Vatican historians seems to be for the position, while that of Italian historians is against it.

So what? Would that change the world into something different? Or have an effect on what I pay for a cup of coffee tomorrow?

Jews don't need Columbus. Even without columbus, no other population of a similar size can touch the Jews for the number of people who have impressed the world through their intellectual creativity. Very impressive Jews; makes me almost surprised that Darwin wasn't a Jew. I would be proud of my peoples accomplishments if I were a Jew.

Many orthodox Jews believe that if you mother was a Jew, you are a Jew. If you are of a different faith, you are merely a nonpracticing Jew. After 5000 years plus of genetic diffusion, nearly everyone is a Jew by that standard.

So, yes, Columbus was a Jew... and so are you.

Clockwood
The Spaniards that claim he was a Jew, claim that he was 100% Jewish, and even a 100% practicing one (in hiding).
As in Emma Lazarus (Statue of liberty).

The racist Tali does of course.

Not about all Muslims, only about extremists.

It is evident that the Jews retained considerable hidden power and influence in Spain after their (intended) expulsion in 1492. If Colon had been Jewish, might the Jews not have been able to do more to assist his future career? He had a rough time of things, including arrest of maladministration, and died a relatively poor man.
Hence, hidden power is weak (and because of weakness).

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/109/ Was Columbus Jewish?

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history_community/Medieval/TheStory6321666/Expulsion/DestinationNewWorld.htm

http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/southwater/113/was_christopher_columbus_jewish.htm The case for Columbus's Jewish origins is not presented solely by Jews. The consensus of Spanish and Vatican historians seems to be for the position, while that of Italian historians is against it.

Who cares? Colombus wasn't even the first person to discover america...he's more or less irrelevant to me.

Who cares? Colombus wasn't even the first person to discover america...he's more or less irrelevant to me.

don't tell that to any Italian-Americans :)

And actually the first person to discover America was some huntre gatherer who passed through Siberia sometime in one of the ice ages. After that, the continent was rediscovered by several more waves of people who later became known as Native Americans. Then the Inuit invasion occured and finally the Vikings showed up.

Columbus was only the latest.

And actually the first person to discover America was some huntre gatherer who passed through Siberia sometime in one of the ice ages.

But thats just what Xylene said when he said Scandanavian.

After that, the continent was rediscovered by several more waves of people who later became known as Native Americans. Then the Inuit invasion occured and finally the Vikings showed up.

Columbus was only the latest.

What is the "Inuit invasion"?

BTW The Vikings got their Arses kicked by Natives and their superior strategy when they invaded greenland and northern parts of Canada!!!

Scandinavia is not connected to siberia.

Spurious is right. Scandanavia is on the opposite end of the old world from Siberia. Most of Russia separates the two.

As for the Inuit invasion, I am referring to the group popularly known as the Eskimos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit). They are a separate ethnic and cultural group from Native Americans. They developed from the Thule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_people) who arrived in north america around 500 AD.

They had a nasty habit of warring with older groups including the Dorset Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset_culture) and numerous Native American tribes.

Spurious is right. Scandanavia is on the opposite end of the old world from Siberia. Most of Russia separates the two.

As for the Inuit invasion, I am referring to the group popularly known as the Eskimos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit). They are a separate ethnic and cultural group from Native Americans. They developed from the Thule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_people) who arrived in north america around 500 AD.

They had a nasty habit of warring with older groups including the Dorset Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset_culture) and numerous Native American tribes.

Wow i read the Wiki piece on "Thule" and it was pretty much what i already knew, but can't recall the use of the rerm "inuit". all in all they are the same people from Greenland and Northern east canada that i reffered too :D , ya learn something everyday. When you think about it from an eurocentric Idealism point of view, it's almost uncouth to believe that the "primitive" folk of MooseJaw could have wipped the old Nordic superior :rolleyes:

oh everyones fucking jewish these days... wtf's going on :bugeye:

River Ape:

However, the Jews often choose a non-Jewish "front man" for their schemes, though frequently one who is "foreign" in some other way.

You speak as if "the Jews" are some kind of organised conspiracy. Do you realise how much diversity there is in the Jewish population of the world?

And what are these "schemes" to which you refer? Do you actually believe in a grand Jewish conspiracy of some kind?

And what if Columbus was Jewish? Does it make any difference? Is it in some way an important fact?

James R
I knew immediately that it was a copied and pasted from a Nazi silly site, right when I saw the crap wording of it.

I heard jesus was jewish. :eek:

River Ape:
You speak as if "the Jews" are some kind of organised conspiracy. Do you realise how much diversity there is in the Jewish population of the world?
I am very well acquainted with the Jews, including many individuals whom I hold in high regard. I used to operate in a trade in which Jews were very much to the fore. Because of my (bearded bespectacled) appearance I used to pass for one of them. The staff at a safe deposit firm in the vicinity of London's Hatton Garden were quite convinced that I was Jewish – as I discovered through startling them by coming in one Yom Kippur! I am very aware of the clan loyalty of Jews, and their impulse to act in collaboration for the benefit of each other. This sometimes extended to what might be called “scams”. I will even admit to having been the sole goy participant in one of them many years ago.

And what are these "schemes" to which you refer? Do you actually believe in a grand Jewish conspiracy of some kind?
I certainly believe in Jewish collaboration – and insofar as such collaboration is secret, it may be characterised as conspiracy. This subject is widely discussed elsewhere on the net, and should not perhaps be allowed to intrude in a general way on this thread. The point I made in specific reference to Colon/Columbus was that his likely Genoan origins might have counted in his favour with the Jews, as they often prefer a front-man or agent with a weakness or vulnerability of some sort. This might be a man who was an outsider in some way, or who had some physical infirmity, psychological weakness or vice.

Such “front-men” include:
Stalin (a Georgian with a withered left arm)
Franklin D Roosevelt (crippled by polio)
Winston S Churchill (alcoholic)
George W Bush (sometime alcoholic and homosexual)

You can doubtless think of others. I can think of several current examples in business and commerce, but their names would not be generally known.

And what if Columbus was Jewish? Does it make any difference? Is it in some way an important fact?
Why are people asking this question? Like many historical questions, it is a matter of some interest. On another forum, I have presented the case that Napoleon was Greek. It is much stronger than you may imagine! It makes for stimulating historical research. If you browse the net, you will find passionate arguments that Colon/Columbus was – for example – Portuguese.

I’m telling you guys Columbus was found under the deck blowing the nephew of Queen Isabella of Castile (Elizabeth) and had Matzo Bread crumbs all over his Lips and ascot. :o

I am very aware of the clan loyalty of Jews, and their impulse to act in collaboration for the benefit of each other. This sometimes extended to what might be called “scams”.

Sounds just like everybody else.

might have counted in his favour with the Jews, as they often prefer a front-man or agent with a weakness or vulnerability of some sort. This might be a man who was an outsider in some way, or who had some physical infirmity, psychological weakness or vice.

Such “front-men” include:
Stalin (a Georgian with a withered left arm)
Franklin D Roosevelt (crippled by polio)
Winston S Churchill (alcoholic)
George W Bush (sometime alcoholic and homosexual)


Do you really believe that Jews chose those people for power? Do you believe that those people are front men for Jews?

Stupid conspiracy theories give all conspiracy theorists a bad name, which is too bad because because real conspiracies can only be exposed by conspiracy theorists but who would listen to them. The pro Israel lobby is just another powerful lobby. Any group of people will hire people they know and are comfortable with.

Sometimes two or more powerful lobbies have common interests and try to use each other and begin to create associations of people who work together where their interests are merged. Hawkish Pro-Israelis and Hawkish supporters of making the white house the puppet master of the world have common interests. That explains any connections between Bush and Jews.

For some reason that I could only use pychology to guess at, European Jews have been overrepresented in the intellectual avant guard. This intellectualism and the unfairness of the established order to jews explains the early connection of Jews to communism. Communism was a interesting idea. Now we know how it fails because it has been tried. Stalin was no friend to the Jews. He was not their man.

Roosevelt brought socialism light to America. That had nothing to do with a Jewish conspiracy.

In my opinion Churchill with Roosevelt and to a lessor degree Stalin in tow, wanted to use Jews as a base against a German-Arab alliance. The powers recongnized the importance of controling oil would play a war with Germany. The British understood that they would make an enemy of the Arabs when they tried to colonize the Arab world and therefore it would be natural for Arab nationalism to ally with Germany. Had the methods that the british used to control colonies in the 1800s continued to work, then setting up the Jews as a people to be used would have been like the British bringing Indians to Africa and Chinese to Malaysia and would have made sense. But times were changing, the third world was becoming too nationalistic to control with triangulation using sleazy local despots and favored imported minorities. The Israeli Jews and Arab nationalists and the Sleazy despot pawns all were determined to achieve full control rather than remain under the British rule. So Churchill's plans failed. The German threat never reemerged so the Israeli base against a German Arab alliance was never needed.

I love a good conspiracy theory but the Grand Jewish Conspiray theories are junk. Please don't start talking about Rothschild or the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", there is nothing there.

Sounds just like everybody else.
Would you care to name some other groups that act in the same way? Do they collectively account for the bulk of the population? I am obviously missing out!

I love a good conspiracy theory but the Grand Jewish Conspiray theories are junk.
I am not sure exactly what a Grand Jewish Conspiracy is. Anyone familiar with the Jewish community is aware that they advance their interests in ways which are sometimes organised and sometimes informal, sometimes open but more often hidden (as much that goes on in society is unseen, though not necessarily sinister). I believe goyim in general underestimate the extent of Jewish power, but thanks to the net many are beginning to gain a better understanding.

I realise that some people may not accept my particular examples of "front-men". (That is not necessarily the best expression I could have used - but I cannot immediately think of a better one.) However, this particular thread is not the best place to discuss each example in detail.

Would you care to name some other groups that act in the same way?

Think about it. People in power provide business and employment opportunities for their friends and family all the time. Try reading Bill Clinton's autobiography, for example. Virtually everybody he ever met ended up as Ambassador to Polland or Attorney General or something.

Did someone mention Kennewick Man yet?

"Native American" is a misnomer!

Virtually everybody he ever met ended up as Ambassador to Polland or Attorney General or something.
I cannot speak for Bill Clinton, but "virtually everyone I ever met" does not constitute a "group" in any meaningful sense. The Jews (though not every one of them) DO constitute a coherent group.

There are certainly other groups, such as those based on Freemasonry, that attempt to advance mutual interests, but none that exercise the power of organised Jewry. Recalling that a guy you first knew at college might be just the man to fill a particular job simply does not compare.

The masons do nefarious plotting to do charity work these days.

The Jews (though not every one of them) DO constitute a coherent group.

In what sense? They work in all kinds of occupations. They live in various parts of the world.

Any common features are largely superficial. It is not even true that all of them are particularly observant in a religious sense.

The Jews form a coherent group because they are extreme "racists". A Jew feels that the most important thing about another individual is whether he is or is not Jewish. Many do observe Jewish traditions and rituals, which provide a continuous reminder of membership of the clan. Scores of Jewish organisations exist, serving all aspects of domestic and professional life.

I have been present at a mixed gathering of businessmen in a trade in which Jews were prominent. At a certain point in the evening, it so happened that all the goyim had departed -- with the exception of myself, and I looked more Jewish than most of them and in any case was in a side-room. At this point, the mood of the gathering changed. They sensed that it was just clan members that remained. It became more extrovert and feisty. I am sure any Jews reading this will understand exactly the situation I am describing.

I suppose none of you see anything wrong with paying that special Kosher tax.

The Jewish tax signs (hechshers),are the circled U symbol of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (U), the circled K symbol of the Committee for the Furtherance of Torah Observance, a.k.a. the Organized Kashrus Laboratories (K), the K-inside-a-triangle symbol of Rabbi Joseph H. Ralbag's personal certification business, and the K-with-a-leftward-bulge symbol of Beverly Hills Kosher, a.k.a. Kosher Overseers Associates of America.

If you see these (U) and (K) symbols on you're food products, then part of you're money is going to certain jewish special interest groups, namely the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations and the Furtherance of the Torah Observance.

No other specific groups are allowed to tax the publics food.

I have been present at a mixed gathering of businessmen in a trade in which Jews were prominent. At a certain point in the evening, it so happened that all the goyim had departed -- with the exception of myself, and I looked more Jewish than most of them and in any case was in a side-room. At this point, the mood of the gathering changed. They sensed that it was just clan members that remained. It became more extrovert and feisty.

I remember the same phenomina at a party with two cliques back in my highschool years. One clique leaves and the remainig clique loosens up and says what they really feel.

Every group and subculture is more comfortable with their own group. Everybody tends to hire and give contracts to people they feel comfortable with.

What you say is true, nirakar. But the point is that in the case I am thinking of, those that had left did not constitute a "clique". If it had been the Jews who had happened to depart first (along with the Greek and the Armenian), no feeling of Anglo-Saxon solidarity would have emerged among those remaining. The sort of collective identity felt by Jews is rarely found elsewhere in the general population.

Many Poles came to Britain in the early days of WWII to continue the struggle against Hitler. For a few years after the war they had many Polish clubs and publications. But most did not marry other Poles. Their Polish identity faded away. Surviving Polish clubs have dwindling numbers of rather old men. How different with the Jews, used to preserving their identity as a minority in many lands over many centuries.

Remember, the Romans also dispersed the Carthaginians! Where are they now?

and what about st brendan and the chinese who have been thought to have discovered america at various times. ancient chinese anchors have been found in california waters. lets face it everybody discovered america prior to colon but he got the publicity.
ursula

And let us not forget Meurig! (Pronounced my-rig.)
We don't know who he was, except that he was someone's father. And so the son would be known, as Welsh tradition dictates, as Ap-Meurig -- son of Meurig.
And so it came to pass that there was a wealthy Bristol merchant called Richard Ap-Meurig, which had become anglicised to Amerik. He financed the Cabot brothers' transatlantic voyage in 1497, and the brothers inscribed their maps with the name Amerika in his honour.
So, here's to Wales, and here's to Meurig! The only man ever to have a continent named after him.

Except Scipio Africanus? ;) Oh wait, that was the other way around...

I remeber a show on the Discovery Channel suggesting Colombus was a member of a family of Catalonian merchants and pirates who created a false Genoese identity to hide his past.