Anyone playing?

40k, or regular

I used to, but it was too damn expensive.

I'm a huge 40k fan. Both of the game and the fiction. Been playing for nearly 15 years now. I collect Imperial Guard and I have my own custom human race which involve converted minuatures of various species melded into one cohesive structure.

I play 40k, Eldar and Dark Eldar (who need a new codex, moreso than the 'nids did), I'm horrible at painting though (and are sort of an all-round noob)

Oh god yes, the Dark Eldar need so much done for them. I can see why they're updating the Space Marines (again), it's the newbie choice and it's also the most popular army. But the Dark Eldar have so much potential. They're evil, absolute evil. And unlike Chaos, they're evil out of their own free will which makes them a horrifying opponent to face...if they had some decent things. I've seen people use Dark Elves from the fantasy game to create some interesting Dark Eldar conversions and some scratch built weapons i.e. the SplinterCaster (think bolt caster but more scifi).

I am going to try and borrow my folks digital camera (as my one is rubbish at close ups) and take some pictures of my unique race. I'm yet to actually name them but they comprise of human, eldar and tau soldiers who dwell in one of the few remaining independant star systems not yet plundered by the imperium of man or swept in the tide of the Greater Good. Makes for some unique weapons and ideas.

I prefer Tyranid

Cool... I have a 3k point necron army, and am working on my 5k army. I spend way too much on the game, about 600 so far, but im TRYING to limit myself to 150 a week

A Necron army, damn man. Post some pictures of them so we can see. I'm going to be taking pictures of a few of my squads. I also spend alot of money on it and when you're heavily into converting miniatures, it's roughly £60 a squad. But they look the business so I'm not complaining.

yeah i just spent another 200 on it tonight

picked up 3 necron lords, 3 wraiths, 60 necron warriors and a monolith

i swear...you guys are the biggest bunch of homosexuals ever

Homosexuals with guns!

no, homosexuals with AIDS.

i swear...you guys are the biggest bunch of homosexuals ever

Okay, let us debate. I want some evidence to back up your claim. Photographic preferable. I want to hear some reasoning behind your claim so that I don't just take it as a flat out attempt at flaming then have to get off my overworked ass and use brain power (see that, brain power...you might like to try using that at some point) to fight back.

I have done some research and there is no, at present, evidence that directly links playing Warhammer with homosexuality. I may, of course, be looking at the wrong charts here.

Discuss.

there is no evidence Thor...it is a personal opinion.


stop being so gay will you?

Isnt warhammer fiction made for kids?

I think the only reason men read it is because, they sit with no success in life, and need to get a surge of testosterone, by reading badly written, slaughter fests, filled with mindless retoric? Either that or you just cant read, decent books. Im a fan of science fiction myself, and reading shit like that is stooping to the lowest level, for an adult that is.

The game I understand, is fun for CHILDREN, to get a sence of adventure, strategy, and what-not. But for a guy to play for 15 years... dont you have better shit to do?

Does controling plastic figurines of fictional warriors make your penis feel bigger? if so, warhammer directly corilates with homosexuality.

I would recomend a change of pasttime, after all you might reach 40 some day, and you will have nothing substantial to show for it.

Warhammer is inspirational, involved and creative science fiction. A universe where mankind isn't the heroic race we like to think we'll become. It's pretty much the dark ages but with big guns. Religion is might and to resist that might is heresy. The books written for the Black Library merely expand the universe. Some of them are quite fast paced and humourous but I know that I am wasting my breath because you've already made up your mind about it.
there is no evidence Thor...it is a personal opinion.

stop being so gay will you?

Personal opinion quite blatantly doesn't mean fact in your case, eh ;)

Isnt warhammer fiction made for kids?

Warhammer 40,000 is a fictional universe devised for Science Fiction fans, both young and old alike. Much like the run of the mill Star Wars, Star Trek, Dunes, etc, etc.

I think the only reason men read it is because, they sit with no success in life, and need to get a surge of testosterone, by reading badly written, slaughter fests, filled with mindless retoric?

That might be true for some people. I read the books as an escape after long hours at work. Some also act as inspiration that I can put into effect quite creatively. With todays society going down the tubes due to mass media, people should be encouraged to explore other persuits such as this.

Either that or you just cant read, decent books. Im a fan of science fiction myself, and reading shit like that is stooping to the lowest level, for an adult that is.

Not so, as I said before the books expand the universe. They provide a story. I admit they're not as "challenging" as some of the L. Ron Hubbard books I have on my shelf but it's still a good, quick read.

The game I understand, is fun for CHILDREN, to get a sence of adventure, strategy, and what-not.

It is quite fun for alot of people. It's a bit like chess but on a broader scale. You both get a set amount of allocated units and use superior tactics to win. Again, something we should be encouraging people to do more often. From experience, not many people are willing to use their brain in life. The easy way out is always the route taken. No-one wants to challenge their mind anymore. This makes it fun...if you're willing to open up, which it appears you are not ready to do. For that, I cannot blame you. But what I can blame you for, however, is the immature slander written in your posts above.

Does controling plastic figurines of fictional warriors make your penis feel bigger?

Well it's not so much figurines, they're miniatures that you create from the ground up. You put your creativity into them by building them in a unique way then paint them in a way you so desire. In a way, it is no different from painting a picture. I suppose handling a paintbrush is supposed to make peoples penis' feel bigger to?

But for a guy to play for 15 years... dont you have better shit to do?

I started at an early age thus it has been a part of my life. I paint my models purely as a hobby, usually after a day at work which is usually quite demanding, It's very relaxing and beats sitting in front of the television knowing your brain is melting away. Also, it does calm down the adrenalin excess I do get after a day of PT.

I would recomend a change of pasttime, after all you might reach 40 some day, and you will have nothing substantial to show for it.

I respectively note your recommendation and say "Errr no". It's a hobby pure and simple. Some people like gardening, some people like mountain climbing. I just happen to like this. Nothing wrong with that. Not some kind of law against enjoying something is there? Boy, I'm very sorry I have offended you in any way but I'm just going to say that that's your fucking problem, not mine.

People like you make me question my career choice. Why the hell am I working to protect people like you? And if you're so fucking smart and I'm not, why can't you put together an arguement that doesn't involve the basic forms of attack used by a junior school bully? Or are you just lowering the tone for poor ol' me? Shucks, you shouldn't have.

I'm not the one here who has to grow up. Get a pair then come back to see me. :rolleyes:

Ahh all hail MattBellamy and Odinizm, if there were people like you leading the world then we would be in such a great place.

So right let me get this straight, matt you think doing something makes you a homosexual? Let me just ask you, you're named after the lead singer of Muse, is that because you want to have his babies? Its like me saying you're a homosexual cause you like Muse, don't be an idiot.

And Odin. I would like a child to be able to understand all the rules of it and play it propperly, I really would cause I know they wont get the grips of it because funnily enough its more based on an older audience. But you knew that of course right?

Yeah I play 40k, been playing since I was 7, I'm almost 20 now, do you think I care what you think? No. Do I think that because you're a "SO cool, so smart and So up your own ass" that I am actually going to listen to someone who hides behind his computer slagging people off because in reality he has no real purpose in life?

Rght lets see, Most people who play 40k have no life, well let me think, I'm a martial artist who is proficient in more weapons than I can name as well as more martial art forms that I care to know, I work out and I'm not skinny or scrawny, I'm at uni becoming a teacher, a song writer with a band who have got an album coming out, I've helped people, I play sports, I listen to music, go out drinking and I have fun with my life. Yeah I have no life :P

Either that or you just cant read, decent books. Im a fan of science fiction myself, and reading shit like that is stooping to the lowest level, for an adult that is.

What would you know about that?! What do you read? Thomas the tank engine, no wait you're gonna say the hobbit aren't you? Or is it the Mr Men?

Does controling plastic figurines of fictional warriors make your penis feel bigger?

Does trying to make yourself sound really cool by saying that make your penis feel bigger? Have you found yours yet cause it doesn't sound like you have. Hang in there bud, it will happen. Anyway what's your fascination with Thor's wang anyway?!

I would recomend a change of pasttime, after all you might reach 40 some day, and you will have nothing substantial to show for it.

To be honest "mate" we've probably got a lot more to show than you have. And we've had to deal with people like you all our lives, what makes you think you've even got the right to comment on our lives when you can't figure out your own.

Odin was a norse god who had honour and pride, he was the king and father of the gods, you don't even diserve to have that in your name at the moment.

Anyway I collect space marines, used to play as the Blood Angels but I started making my own called the Dragon Knights, its pretty fun creating new characters and stuff.

"Warhammer 40,000 is a fictional universe devised for Science Fiction fans, both young and old alike. Much like the run of the mill Star Wars, Star Trek, Dunes, etc, etc."

It sounds like you recited that many times before. I must be just one of those people , as I hate star treck, starwars , and the dune movies.

"That might be true for some people. I read the books as an escape after long hours at work. Some also act as inspiration that I can put into effect quite creatively. With today’s society going down the tubes due to mass media, people should be encouraged to explore other persuits such as this."

Why not read decent Fiction though? the warhammer stuff is truly badly written. Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt vonnegut is a great book, Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson is a great book. Both would be a nice read, especially with your future profession. Also, Any book by isaac asimov, or the chronicles of amber, if your more of a si fi person rather than plain fiction.

"It is quite fun for a lot of people. It's a bit like chess but on a broader scale."

I realise its fun, but its too expensive and time consuming, and chess I would say has more to do with math than tactics.

As far as using ones brain is concerned, I agree with you, but I don’t think warhammer is the activity to do it.

"Well it's not so much figurines, they're miniatures that you create from the ground up. You put your creativity into them by building them in a unique way then paint them in a way you so desire. In a way, it is no different from painting a picture. I suppose handling a paintbrush is supposed to make peoples penis' feel bigger to?"

They cost too much for a piece of moulded solder, That’s my main reason for hating the industry, its all very corporal. Painting them is entertaining, I would agree, but not nearly as skilful or creative as actually painting something. And a lot of people do make their penis feel bigger when they pain a painting, it gives them a sense of being an important skilful person. I know several people who paint, and consequently act like that.

"I started at an early age thus it has been a part of my life. I paint my models purely as a hobby, usually after a day at work which is usually quite demanding, It's very relaxing and beats sitting in front of the television knowing your brain is melting away. Also, it does calm down the adrenalin excess I do get after a day of PT."

It beats the tv, but it still gets your brain off subject. I can think of better things to do.

"It's a hobby pure and simple"

Spending 200 dollars a day on moulded metal, is not a hobby, it’s an obsession, an unhealthy one at that. Im not saying you spend that much, but some people who posted here said they did.

I played Warhammer when I was at university (long nights!) but not the one with figurines nor the videogame... It was funny and we had lots of good quests! Now we work, we have girlfriends and I spend more time on my Honda 600 CBF so I don't play anymore but maybe one day... soon or later.

Ahh all Odinizm, if there were people like you leading the world then we would be in such a great place.

Yes people would be more productive.

Odin. I would like a child to be able to understand all the rules of it and play it propperly, I really would cause I know they wont get the grips of it because funnily enough its more based on an older audience. But you knew that of course right?

Go down to the local warhammer shop where I live, its filled with seven year olds. Playing at their big table, that and alot of people over 30, who obviously rotted away due to warhammer and became nothing, They live with their parents and work in call centres. But of course, you knew that right?

Yeah I play 40k, been playing since I was 7, I'm almost 20 now, do you think I care what you think? No. Do I think that because you're a "SO cool, so smart and So up your own ass" that I am actually going to listen to someone who hides behind his computer slagging people off because in reality he has no real purpose in life?

Do you think I want you to care about my thoughts? I expressed my honest opinion. Oh I have no real purpose in life? your the one who spends his money and time playing warhammer. In the end any acheivment you make in warhammer vanish with you, and not even the slightest smudge remains.


Right lets see, Most people who play 40k have no life, well let me think, I'm a martial artist who is proficient in more weapons than I can name as well as more martial art forms that I care to know, I work out and I'm not skinny or scrawny, I'm at uni becoming a teacher, a song writer with a band who have got an album coming out, I've helped people, I play sports, I listen to music, go out drinking and I have fun with my life. Yeah I have no life :P

I never said people who play warhammer have no life, I said I hate warhammer, and think its a stupid passtime.


What would you know about that?! What do you read? Thomas the tank engine, no wait you're gonna say the hobbit aren't you? Or is it the Mr Men?

Book im reading just now is: bertrand russell's "history of western philosophy"


Does trying to make yourself sound really cool by saying that make your penis feel bigger? Have you found yours yet cause it doesn't sound like you have. Hang in there bud, it will happen. Anyway what's your fascination with Thor's wang anyway?!

Usually people who like controling things, do it because it makes them feel more important than the people around them, I used the penis metaphor for egotism. and thors wang interests me because im gay, does that answer your question?

To be honest "mate" we've probably got a lot more to show than you have. And we've had to deal with people like you all our lives, what makes you think you've even got the right to comment on our lives when you can't figure out your own.

I seriously doubt it.

Odin was a norse god who had honour and pride, he was the king and father of the gods, you don't even diserve to have that in your name at the moment.

My "odin" has nothing to do with norse gods, its russian for "one" if you think of communism as "communal" odinizm is the opposite.

Odin'Izm, that was a far better responce than I was expecting. I commend you for remaining civil. Damned decent of you. Let's get down to a decent, but somewhat long winded, debate.

It sounds like you recited that many times before. I must be just one of those people , as I hate star treck, starwars , and the dune movies.

To be completely honest with you, that is one of the first time I've ever had to say that. In fact, I was caught completely by surprise by your post as I've never had to defend this past-time before. New experience. If this is the case, I can understand slightly better why you would not be as drawn into the Warhammer universe as it does contain similar conventions as the bog standard space operas. However, I must put forward the point that I believe that this particular one has the scope and potential to be a lot deeper than others of it's ilk.

Why not read decent Fiction though? the warhammer stuff is truly badly written.

I would like to argue this point. I would not say it was badly written, it's just not written to the same standard as some of the Science Fiction greats you mentioned. As I said in my previous post, I read the books for the story and the background information. I find it fascinating that in this universe humanity is not how we would like to see ourselves in the future.

Also, I would like to add that I do read what you would consider "decent fiction" alongside these. But I suppose I just have a deeper appreciation for the Warhammer stories than you would. A bit like how a detective would appreciate a good crime novel because he understands the workings behind it

I realise its fun, but its too expensive and time consuming, and chess I would say has more to do with math than tactics.

Agreed. But with eBay and a resourceful mind you can create wanders from trash ;)

As far as using ones brain is concerned, I agree with you, but I don’t think warhammer is the activity to do it.

Given the choice of having the youth of today sit around and watch TV and play video games or doing something creative such as Warhammer (not saying that it's TV or Warhammer, I'm saying it can be one example)...I would rather have them play Warhammer. And I am someone who enjoys video games and the odd TV show so there's no bias there.

With Warhammer you create something to how you want it, you then make it look how like how you want it then you field them in battle where superior tactics win and you socialise with others with various in-store activities or game nights at a local club. It's also a good excuse to get a few beers and pizzas in ;)

Painting them is entertaining, I would agree, but not nearly as skilful or creative as actually painting something.

This I can agree on. I could never see myself painting a picture on a blank canvas...not without resorting to stick people anyway. However, there is quite a bit of skill required to painting these things. This is apparent when you look at someone who has just started and compare what they have done to what someone who has been playing for 20+ years has done. These people are usually scandinavian, so we can hate them for that.

Spending 200 dollars a day on moulded metal, is not a hobby, it’s an obsession, an unhealthy one at that. Im not saying you spend that much, but some people who posted here said they did.

I used to spend an absurd amount on it. I had more money than I was used to and just blew it on this. Kept me occupied, little projects here and there. But I say, if you have the means to do it, then do it. But this is not a constant thing. Sure I've been playing it for about 15years, but that doesn't mean I've been spending money on it non-stop for 15years. No-one could. Hell, there was a period of 3 years where I didn't even know where my paints were.

Go down to the local warhammer shop where I live, its filled with seven year olds. Playing at their big table, that and alot of people over 30, who obviously rotted away due to warhammer and became nothing, They live with their parents and work in call centres.

Now that is a shame. I'm beginning to see where you are coming from. See, where I am the local Games Workshop attracts people from all ages and walks of life. We have people aged between 7 all the way to 50+ (it's rude to ask, so we just assume). And as I live near Portsmouth, home of the Royal Navy, we get a lot of military types in as well. We even get foreign sailors who ever collect or are interested by this "bizarre" store. Never a dull moment.

and thors wang interests me because im gay, does that answer your question?

That's flattering n' all but lets stop the talk about my giblets please.

There isnt much to discuss unfortunately, I understand your reasons for you liking it, and you understand mine for not.

I'll just say that what caused my dislike for warhammer was probably my local shop. That and a warhammer map I once saw ( I think it was 40k) which decripted my homeland (russia) as "Barbaric lands". My main reaosn probably stil lremains, the expense of the hobby and the time it consumes. I just dont have the free time to spend on it.

And I was only joking about being gay, so dont worry yourself. :p

That's good, cos my left testicle gets a little shy.

So we're agreeing to disagree, I like it. Although I am agreeing on you about price, it's stupidly high. And it's not even taxed in the UK. It's one of two things that isn't taxed here yet you have to sell a spleen just to get a new commander.

Hope to see you around

This is ridiculous. I thought this was a forum for intelligent people, but obviously anyone who puts merit on <i>penis size</i> and uses "homosexual" as an insult cannot be very intelligent.

Anyways, I play Warhammer 40k, in a league every Monday. I play Tau mostly, and I just got an Eldar army but I don't know if I like them or not... All that moving and hand-to-hand, it confuses me!

Eldar aren't that flexible an army. Conversion ideas are limited...very limited. Plus they think they're better than us mon-keigh. Bastards.

I really enjoy the Tau's strategic choices. There's the "fish of fury," which pisses everyone off: You fill a Devilfish with 12 Firewarriors, fly it right in front of a large group of easily murdered soldiers (see:IG), land the transport in front of them and disembark behind it, double-tap 24 shots into them! If they don't all die, they can't assault you since you can't assault through vehicles. Though, they can still shoot you.

And of course, there's the railguns. I don't know if I could play without at least 3 in my army. I hear with the new Tau codex, the railgun will do a flamer template of damage behind the unit you shot at, which only makes sense because a railgun would definitely puncture whatever you were shooting and go through it. Also in the new codex, Tau Broadsides will be able to get the "Targetting Array" upgrade, which gives them a BS of 4 instead of 3.

Yeah, I like the Deciever's special. Well one of them. It allows me to reposition my entire army :D

ah your all on about the 40k but think good old warhammer nothing better than seeing a horde of skaven fall dead to a good old cross bow volley.
I think theres problems not with warhammer but with soceity that causes not everyone to be advid fans of games workshop, if governments really wanted to cut crime rates they'd pour money into getting youngsters off tv and computer games and on to the gaming tables of warhammer.

I love the idea of having human militias as part of a Tau army. GW hasn't really explored that indepth enough.

I've always wanted to have a 40k vs FB battle. Have the Imperial Guard take on the hordes of Lizardmen. Might be interesting to see what you'd have to roll to get an arrow to penetrate flak armour :D

Thats one of those 'automatic saves'

I can see it now, Empire bowmen shooting at a Leman Russ. Roll a 1+ and you'd get "Crew somewhat confused".

Thats something you have to credit the imperial guard with : they have some awesome tanks. Can't wait for the 40K conversion for BF2.

The 40k mod for UT2k4 was released recently. Has some good concepts in it i.e. Whirlwind must be stationary to fire, as must devastators. Only downside to it is that it's very bright. Reminds me of the bright paint trend of the early 90's.

Well, looks like ya beat me to da same damn thread. I do, as my thread says.

Thor, do you happen to have any pictures of your army? I'd love to see.

I will do soon enough, most of my men are in the prototype stages and I should have half a squad to show off within the week.