Alright I always wanted to see what ppl thought about this fight ^_^

Alright I always wanted to see what ppl thought about this fight ^_^

What is it about???????

warhammer would win, star trek is stupid they dont even wear armour, all they do is fly around space all the time and meet new alien assholes. star trek is the adult version of power rangers.

peace.

All i want to know is who ppl think would win Warhammer40k or Startrek

warhammer would win, star trek is stupid they dont even wear armour, all they do is fly around space all the time and meet new alien assholes. star trek is the adult version of power rangers.

peace.

exactly and who watches power rangers? My 6 yr old is nuts for them right now...

All i want to know is who ppl think would win Warhammer40k or Startrek

it a tie ....they both suck!

The Tyranids make the borg look like pussies, and Starfleet can barely beet the borg. And thats just one of Warhammer's kick ass races. So hands down: 40K.

But StarTrek wasn't half bad, It was one of the best shows dealing with issues of ethics and morals.
Power Rangers sucked big time though... and its hard to screw up if your concept is 300ft tall robots kicking the crap out of each other.
But w/e you either like or you hate StarTrek...like most things.

-Andrew

Necron Vs borg how about that one?
Almost imposible to kill a Necron and you throw a rock at a borg and its dead Jk but borg are much weaker

Gauss weaponry "flay" matter, dematerializing it molecule by molecule, atom by atom until nothing remains. As such they are effective against even Titan-grade armour plating, systematically "flaying" targets apart (an effect most pronounced on human targets).[1]

Hell, Space marines would own borg every day of the week. Bolter Rifles would be the the absolute last thing the Borg Queen saw.

Hail the God Emperor!

Sooner or later Worf will go over to the blood god and kill most of the people on the Enterprise with his Bat'leth. About half way through the massacre they'll try to stop him by beaming him out into space...but he'll be plucked out of the transporter steam by the forces of chaos and sent back to the Enterprise via a warp rift. Of course, he'll come back with a few extra arms so as to wield more than one bat'leth at a time, and then it will all be over for the crew.

I compared the Tyranids to the Borg because they are the same badguys in concept (ie a ruthless destructive collective conciousness.) But yah, I agree pretty much anything in 40K would own ST.
-Andrew

Star Trek will win.

Let the borg try and assimilate Chaos SM or chaos demons see what happens when it doesn work

40k all the way their ships cept for maybe eldar and dark eldar are made to take heavy abuse first conhtact with any ship from trekkie universe and the trek ship would be torn to pieces

The energies of Chaos would warp the enterpires and everything on it, the minds of its crew would break down as demons of countless numbers wreaked havoc!

Klingons vs chaos Space marines in hand to hand combat
Klingons are good fighters no doubt
But chaos SM have the power of their armor, implants, and the warp to give them more strength

Can any1 shed some light on if Borg could take over Chaos Demons, necrons, or Space Marines?

Can any1 shed some light on if Borg could take over Chaos Demons, necrons, or Space Marines?

Who knows? Space marines have all sorts of enhancements built in that are supposed to make them immune to poisons, disease, radiation, etc...but who knows if they can stop borg nanites. Since the borg's brains are heavily computerized and they don't really have individual minds, they might be immune to the mind-twisting effects of chaos. But since chaos can sometimes corrupt/possess even inanimate objects...who knows?

Hold up...Warhammer seems to be mostly ground based. If they're forced to fight, Trek races will simply bombard whatever planets the Warhammer troops are standing on from orbit (Romulans, Borg, Species 8472 and Cardassians especially favour this method).

Same goes for Star Wars, Babylon 5 etc etc...

Not even a fair comparison.

star trek is the adult version of power rangers.

peace.

this has to be one of the funniest things ive ever read on this forum.
good show, old chap!

Let the borg try and assimilate Chaos SM or chaos demons see what happens when it doesn work

whats scary is if it DID work.
ha!

id prefer some borgified tau though.

Enterprise-D the Space fleets in Warhammer are a match for Starwars fleets infact they are more or less giant flying guns most of the larger ships have the abliity to desotry planets. As for Demons geting assimilated the warp enegeries would most likely put a stop to that and, and the borg have nothing on Necrons

Hold up...Warhammer seems to be mostly ground based. If they're forced to fight, Trek races will simply bombard whatever planets the Warhammer troops are standing on from orbit (Romulans, Borg, Species 8472 and Cardassians especially favour this method).

Same goes for Star Wars, Babylon 5 etc etc...

Not even a fair comparison.
I direct the heretics attention to:
http://www.wargames.co.uk/Pending/Archive/May03/odds&sods/bfgcover.jpg
Much as Star Trek is cool, 40k is just pure hardcore total war and cannot possibly be stopped by anyone in the Star Trek universe.

EDIT: Hey, what's up with posting images?

Yes Fleets in Warhammer are just as deadly as their ground forces

Hold up...Warhammer seems to be mostly ground based. If they're forced to fight, Trek races will simply bombard whatever planets the Warhammer troops are standing on from orbit (Romulans, Borg, Species 8472 and Cardassians especially favour this method).

Same goes for Star Wars, Babylon 5 etc etc...

Not even a fair comparison.

battlefleet gothic deals with space combat in the warhammer 40h universe

Yes Fleets in Warhammer are just as deadly as their ground forces

if not more deadly

Exterminatus? nova cannons? and just the fact that orcs like to throw larg rocks by the hundreds at enemy ships :D

Now a ground battle of Necron vs Borg?

Necron hands down

Could borg assimulate Necron?
I think not as they are controled by magic from the Ctan

bout the only thing the 40k universe would have to worry about showing up from a diffrent unuverse would be fremin

And Space marines could deal with them same with Chaos SM Khorne Berserkers would bring swift death to them in the name of the Blood God

dude i don't think you under stand fremin well are fremin they are unbeatable force to be reakoned with all their foes water will become the fremin's

I dont think you understand the powers of the the Warp my friend or the powers of the real God Emperor

You do know a SMs armor can block even plasma dont you?

btw this isnt Dune vs Warhammer mate its warhammer40k vs st

warhammer would win, star trek is stupid they dont even wear armour, all they do is fly around space all the time and meet new alien assholes. star trek is the adult version of power rangers.

peace.:) No power rangers is so much better than star trek:eek:

Ohdear

SM Bolters fire explosive .75 calibre rocket-propelled rounds

I direct the heretics attention to:
http://www.wargames.co.uk/Pending/Archive/May03/odds&sods/bfgcover.jpg
Much as Star Trek is cool, 40k is just pure hardcore total war and cannot possibly be stopped by anyone in the Star Trek universe.

EDIT: Hey, what's up with posting images?

That capital ship design is awesome, but, Trek would still win hands down.

Since you said "anyone" in the Trek universe
- the Borg are known to number in the multiple trillions of drones. STVOY S5 E15/16
- The Q, Organians and Travellers are close to omnipotent as you can get.
- Species 8472 and the Federation have technology capable of flaying a planet in one swoop (Species would be their combination ship weapon, and the Federation would be the Genesis device...admittedly used as terraforming technology, but who says they have to wait for your W40K troops to evacuate a planet ;) )
- The Haakonians' Metreon cascade is a wide dispersal weapon, known to have killed quarter million life forms in one detonation, by force blast and collateral radiation fallout.

Just as a start.

That capital ship design is awesome, but, Trek would still win hands down.

Since you said "anyone" in the Trek universe
- the Borg are known to number in the multiple trillions of drones. STVOY S5 E15/16
- The Q, Organians and Travellers are close to omnipotent as you can get.
- Species 8472 and the Federation have technology capable of flaying a planet in one swoop (Species would be their combination ship weapon, and the Federation would be the Genesis device...admittedly used as terraforming technology, but who says they have to wait for your W40K troops to evacuate a planet ;) )
- The Haakonians' Metreon cascade is a wide dispersal weapon, known to have killed quarter million life forms in one detonation, by force blast and collateral radiation fallout.

Just as a start.

Okay, it looks like a more even playing field than I had thought.

With the 40k universe, no side has any semblance of a civilian society, everything they do is geared towards war. If they couldn't defeat the Star Trek universe before the Trekkians converted everything to full scale war machine mode, then 40K might be in trouble.

Well, the Borg know nothing but conquest in the search for perfection. Q et al. don't really care about war/peace/civilianship/military etc, they would adapt - they just protect the continuity of the universe/multiverse however necessary. Starfleet is the Federation's military arm, along with their allies.

Haakonians invented the Metreon Cascade during a war (which was more of a massacre). We don't know much about their population outside of that military movement.

There doesn't seem to be a need to convert civilians.

Sounds like fun.
1st Chaos lets start with them oh how dreadful they are they make the borg look like pussies, chaos uses magic they have Warp gates that allow them to board your ship with countless demons and unless you have a mind that has the will of a SM you wont be able to resist the effects of the warp they can break you and turn you into a slave or melt your body, So unless you crew has the faith and the will of a sm they can be taken over easy.

"Imperial Guard in the game universe, the Imperial Guard is a colossal military organisation consisting of many billions of men and women from millions of different worlds and systems within the Imperium of Man. A single regiment consists of roughly ten thousand fighting men."

The holy fleet
Each Battlefleet is assigned a number of cruisers and battleships, usually between fifty and seventy-five vessels.

- Faith is irrelevant, will is irrelevant. Magic is irrelevant. They are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will add to theirs.

- Hell, mere Federation soldiers have anti-telepath training! Captain Picard (an old man) was able to sustain psychological and physical torture for about a week. Director Sloan was able to resist a mind scanning machine on his deathbead. Ferengi are immune to telepaths. The Borg hive mind can (conceivably) only be attacked telepathically on the homeworld, after fighting through trillions of them and many many fleets. Betazoids are capable of telepathic battles. Q. Bring it on.

- Magic has no bearing on the Trek universe. The closest to magic in the Trek universe is Q powers and telepathic/telekenetic abilities. Both of which have been stated to definitely not be magic in origin.

Srry I thought you would know more about Warhammer if you were going to get into this debat magic in Warhammer40k is pure psychic energy.

I think that you used the word "magic" to make it un-battleable by a technologic universe. I do admit though, that I know very little about W40K. Since we're back to a biological (brain) function however:

Well, the Fed anti-telepath training, Ferengi immunity, Borg pseudo-immunity, Q and Betazoids all count as great anti W40K. The Romulans' anti-telepath training are even better than Fed since they are related to Vulcans.

All telepathic races on Trek cannot telepathically attack the Borg, none of the trillions of drones have a unified mind to attack. Their cortical processors do the thinking for them and of course a telepath cannot read the 'mind' of a machine.

Q et al of course would laugh at mere mortals who think they can wield psionic abilities. The Organians would simply halt the entire Warhammer fleet and disable every single Warhammer weapon everywhere, exactly as they did to the Federation and Klingons in TOS.

Betazoids are powerful telepaths and have engaged in one or two mind battles in TNG. Deanna Troi is capable of dealing a telepathic death blow from a distance, to multiple targets (Deanna's expanded ability is not strictly canon, but 'strict canon' is in the Wars v Trek thread :p).

i have read a few warhammer 40k novels and a warhammer fantasy novel, they are all very good books,

the fantasy book i read was called "gardians of the forest," and the 40k book i liked most was called "false gods" both by graham mcneil,

you can find novels on this site from this genre, they are very good books if you like scifi and fantasy,

www.blacklibrary.com

I think that you used the word "magic" to make it un-battleable by a technologic universe. I do admit though, that I know very little about W40K. Since we're back to a biological (brain) function however:

Well, the Fed anti-telepath training, Ferengi immunity, Borg pseudo-immunity, Q and Betazoids all count as great anti W40K. The Romulans' anti-telepath training are even better than Fed since they are related to Vulcans.

All telepathic races on Trek cannot telepathically attack the Borg, none of the trillions of drones have a unified mind to attack. Their cortical processors do the thinking for them and of course a telepath cannot read the 'mind' of a machine.

Q et al of course would laugh at mere mortals who think they can wield psionic abilities. The Organians would simply halt the entire Warhammer fleet and disable every single Warhammer weapon everywhere, exactly as they did to the Federation and Klingons in TOS.

Betazoids are powerful telepaths and have engaged in one or two mind battles in TNG. Deanna Troi is capable of dealing a telepathic death blow from a distance, to multiple targets (Deanna's expanded ability is not strictly canon, but 'strict canon' is in the Wars v Trek thread :p).
and only a fool would refer to the eldar as mere mortals

Chaos gods Khorne god of war, Nergle god of death, Slaanesh god of decadence, Tzeentch god of change, manipulation, scheming and sorcery.
not just beings like Q, GODS! and they always interfear with the wars of Warhammer, and Psi powers in Warhammer are nothing like anything you have seen. So I ask you before you say anything more about anti-telepath training plz go study up on warhammer40k

'Magic' trumps technology.

When plasma can be stopped by belief you've pretty much hit gold. Furthermore, technology cannot deal with the Warp as well as the Warp can deal with itself. It's pretty much a stalemate at best, there's no proof that Q can deal with the Warp as the Warp is 'magical' in nature. C'Tan is a god who feeds off of suns, he's not exactly technological/logical.

If Q can't deal with the Warp then you've got an issue. Furthermore, the Eldar have plenty of apocalyptic weapons that can consume whole galaxy (they almost did it by sheer will power) and turn it into another 'Eye of Terror'. As for planet destroying? Exterminatus is common practice, but under bombardment a planet will be completely obliterated - it's nothing special.

Federation soldiers are no match for Space Marines nor Imperial Guardsmen, nor anything 40k has to offer save maybe the cultists, there's something about sound battle tactics , boarding tactics, and armor they lack.

As for the Borg, in any argument they're a joke. In this case they're out-teched by the Imperium/Other Factions and cannot assimilate anything pertaining to the Warp, furthermore they're out manned by the Tyranids and Orkz who just love getting into melee range and crashing into things.

Eldar webway portals cannot be stopped and thus free hit and runs begin on any station or place, free slaves for the Dark Eldar blah blah blah . In the end, it's still a one sided fight and if you bring Q , I bring the Chaos Gods, which would end in a tie at worst for Warhammer.

Mind battles are common place in 40k and so is lifting up tanks with your mind and throwing them around dealing damage to it. So is also frying whole squads of people with eldritch energy. Then again so is teleporting to any location regardless... so I guess spot a ship teleport on with full terminator squad and proceed to obliterate.

Also, the Imperium even in its decayed state outproduces the Federation and anyone else, a single loss of a world would do little to nothing and since we're going all out then space travel would be instaneous as the Warp would favor 40k in this instance. Oh hell , why not, and have all the sentient races of 40k pile in their belief into one thing and create an omega entity of utter ridiculousness and trash whole planets by playing bowling with star systems.

So no, Trek would lose hands down in a pure match up. But, let us make note that this whole thing is silly because 40k is based off of magic and magic always trumps technology.

Being telepathic doesn't mean you automatically know how to protect your brain from getting shreaded within by daemons, nor does it mean you can shield your vessel from a party. In a matter of fact, that is completely alien and unorthodox to Star Trek, also Trek telepaths behave differently than 40k ones suggesting a biological difference. 40k Telepaths are more akin to spellcasters.

Well put.

Btw the powers of some psykers can destory souls, Grey Knights can use a power called Holocaust to totaly destroy a enemies body.

Why oh why hasn't a truly great FPS been made out of 40K?

i like warhammer 40k and startrek!

Actually I was thinking that the StarTrek Spaceships would be far superior to Warhammer 40k.
The latter might be heavily fortified and armed, but in StraTrek all spaceships can get to warp speed at any time, which the Warhammer 40k version cannot (just enter the warp). So essentialyl every rocket beam/whatever would just hit empty space. In addition, I forgot whether the Warhammer ships had decent shields. If not, just beam the crew into the space.
Also, StarTrek ships could beam shock troops/explosives/marshmellows anywhere they want onto surfaces, thus having a huge tactical advantage (as compare to drop ships, which would be easily picked up and destroyed by superior StraTrek sensor/weapon combos).
It`s not always about guns.
I wouldn't take bets on close combat, though.

Why oh why hasn't a truly great FPS been made out of 40K?

'cos wartythou is a bunch of unoriginal, miscegenated, over-priced rubbish?

The models are overpriced to be sure, but I think the enormous amounts of backstory and concept art could go quite far to making a decent videogame of some kind.

I should try Dawn of War and Fire Warrior, I guess.

Actually I was thinking that the StarTrek Spaceships would be far superior to Warhammer 40k.
The latter might be heavily fortified and armed, but in StraTrek all spaceships can get to warp speed at any time, which the Warhammer 40k version cannot (just enter the warp). So essentialyl every rocket beam/whatever would just hit empty space. In addition, I forgot whether the Warhammer ships had decent shields. If not, just beam the crew into the space.
Also, StarTrek ships could beam shock troops/explosives/marshmellows anywhere they want onto surfaces, thus having a huge tactical advantage (as compare to drop ships, which would be easily picked up and destroyed by superior StraTrek sensor/weapon combos).
It`s not always about guns.
I wouldn't take bets on close combat, though.

Warhammer ships do indeed have shields, but that isn't the point: Trek ships cannot fight at warp speed with any efficiency at all and if they could just randomly hop to warp at all times they would've done so countless of times in the various Trek episodes. So no, dodging around via warp speed is not a solution. Also there isn't anything saying that the Warp itself won't just swallow an Emperor Class Battleship and conveniently send it directly into the path of a Trek ship warping away thus causing a collision.

While your argument of "Trek can beam anywhere" has some merit you forget that the Necrons can do the same thing and with Psykers the Imperium can do the same thing. Also there's no evidence that Trek weaponry is anymore powerful than 40k and if you do you better bring it up. You seem to forget that the Imperium isn't the only faction out there.

btw I have been playing Fire worrior very good game, and it just shows the powers of chaos....damn chaos space marines *remembers the last thing he saw was a chaos bolter*

See, now the W40k folks have gone back to magic. Magic has no bearing on the Trek universe, and thus is an unfair comparison. Clearly pure magic will win over pure technology. I have no qualms with saying that.

Tech to tech, Trek would win. Magic to tech, unfortunately, Trek would lose. Unless of course Seven of Nine, Miles O'Brien or Geordi LaForge invents a shield modulation that stops all magic frequencies. Seven, Miles and Geordi always seem to find a shield modulation ;) In that event watch out.

And then there's Q (et al).

Steiner...the only limitation with battling at Warp is phasers, which being directed energy can only travel as fast as light. Various torpedoes with (stripped down) warp engines are used for FTL battles (photon, quantum etc).

Waaarg, need i say more

Like I said go study up on warhammer40k

See, now the W40k folks have gone back to magic. Magic has no bearing on the Trek universe, and thus is an unfair comparison. Clearly pure magic will win over pure technology. I have no qualms with saying that.

Tech to tech, Trek would win. Magic to tech, unfortunately, Trek would lose. Unless of course Seven of Nine, Miles O'Brien or Geordi LaForge invents a shield modulation that stops all magic frequencies. Seven, Miles and Geordi always seem to find a shield modulation ;) In that event watch out.

And then there's Q (et al).

Steiner...the only limitation with battling at Warp is phasers, which being directed energy can only travel as fast as light. Various torpedoes with (stripped down) warp engines are used for FTL battles (photon, quantum etc).

dude 40k starships are floating gun platforms trek loses tech to tech to god 10 to 20 eldar escorts could shred any fleet in the trek universe

In this thread anything that is Cannon can be used so for Warhammer that means games books and comics, ST the movies and the shows.

Kligon vs Orc?
Kligon skilled fighters
Orc not to smart but very cunning.

Okay, I'm just going off of what I recall from 2nd edition 40K (3rd edition sucked the life out of the game by majorly dumbing it down and taking out most of the cool stuff - I stopped playing it), Battle Fleet Gothic, and Space Hulk. (Does anyone remember Space Hulk, or am I showing my age here?)

40K has teleporters, and they're regularly used to deploy troops to the surface during combat, move people from one ship to another, etc. Some troops are even equipped with personal teleports built into their armor that allow them to jump around on a planet's surface (or wherever) at their leisure. They also have a wide variety of teleport jammers, teleport beacons that help punch through teleport jammers, etc. Heck, some of the people in 40K can teleport themselves (or others) with their own psychic powers.

Standard weapons include bombs, missiles, and beam weapons that open rifts into other dimensions or twist the fabric of space over wide areas to destroy virtually any solid object, regardless of what material it's made of or how it's shielded.

In addition to personal teleporters, many of the better troops in 40k come with standard personal force fields and personal cloaking devices (did Harlequin fields even make it into 3rd edition?).

And that's just the "normal" humans.

We Know the Mighty Imperium of Man would crush all alien races in ST they would ask the Fed to join them and if they didnt well they would all die, Now Necron vs borg, Kligon vs ork, Q vs Chaos gods.

Now I'm no expert on Warhammer or Star Trek but from what I know about the two I would have to go with Warhammer in both space and land. The ships of warhammer have extremly powerful weapons AND are very strong strucurly speaking. To my knowledge many of the ships in the Imperium of Man can lose most of their armor plateing and still be able to hold their own. When it comes to the other races I cant say much ship wise (My knowledge is mainly with the imperium). Even if your take away the "magic" aspect of it Star Trek would lose. And as to the killing a 1/4 million people with one blast, to the Imperium that would be a drop in the bucket. The Imperium is consited of TRILLIONS of people. Although many are civilions they can be trained to fight if it came down to it. The space marines are extremly sturdy themselves, you can blow their legs off and they will still be able to take on most star fleet personel.

The Orks have numbers and strength. They may be crude but they can take punisment. if you cut off an Orks arm and it runs out of ammo it will start to beat it's opponents with it's severed arm. The Eldar may not be the most powerful strength wise, but they have pure speed at their disposel. You can't kill what you can't hit. The Tau might be in trouble if the Klingons get in close, but as long as they have distance on their side they will slaughter.The Tyranids will just swarm you till you die, the Borg have nothing on them. And Chaos is, well it's Chaos need I say any more?

Necrons, Close but Orks, Chaos.

Well what you say about tau isnt true tau have kroot on their side and vespids tau themeslfs can fight in melee as well, they may not be any stronger than a normal human male but they can fight in hand to hand combat well enough that if it comes down to it they could hold their own.

Now the God emperor is the only1 who could destory Demons 100% so what could he do to Q?

Now the God emperor is the only1 who could destory Demons 100% so what could he do to Q?

The God-Emperor Of Mankind may not even be alive so much as exist as a vaguely alive clump of cells. The last time he defeated a demon was, what, thousands of years ago?

Yes but go look up the Star child theory, and remember anything that is canon can be used even if it is dead* which the emperor isnt so before he was put in the golden throne that time line can still be used

"The Emperor and Horus engaged one another, battling both physically and psychically. Though the Emperor's psychic gifts and martial skills were unequalled, he found himself unwilling to summon his full power against his first son. He suffered grievous wounds at his fallen son's hands, and after score of thrusts, parries and counter-thrusts, Horus opened the Emperor's jugular and severed the tendons in his right wrist. A psychic blast seared the flesh from the Emperor's face, bursting an eye. After tearing the Emperor's right arm from its socket, Horus raised his father high over his head, and broke his back over his knee.

At that moment, a lone Adeptus Custodes warrior entered the bridge. Horus showed him the Emperor's broken form and laughed mockingly at the Custode. He roared and charged the Warmaster immediately, only to be flayed alive by a psychic blast from Horus. [In previous editions of the tale, an Imperial Fist or Blood Angel Terminator attacked Horus; in older versions, the deed is ascribed to an Imperial Guardsman named Ollanious Pious]

The casual brutality of the act galvanised the Emperor. Realising at last that his favoured son was truly lost to the corruption of Chaos, the Emperor finally mustered his full power, and unleashed a lance of pure Warp energy that pierced the gloating Horus's defenses. So powerful was the attack that the Chaos Gods themselves recoiled in terror, withdrawing rapidly from their mortal pawn. Just before Horus died, he looked his father in the eye, shedding a single tear. The Emperor saw regret in his fallen son's eyes. He also knew Chaos could attempt to possess Horus once more, and that he would not be there to halt him a second time. Driving all compassion from his mind, the Emperor obliterated Horus from the mortal plane."

Your pretty bad ass when you can scare gods.:cool:

"The Star Child Theory was introduced early in the Realm of Chaos books and later in the 3rd Edition Warhammer 40,000 guide. The Theory is not based so much on the Emperor's origin, but on the Emperor's future origin. Like the Thorians, those who believe in the Star Child Theory hope for the reincarnation of the Emperor.

Central to the belief is that the Emperor's spirit is connected to the Warp and drifts through its cosmic expanses. After Horus rebelled and destroyed the Emperor's mortal frame, his spirit could no longer stay as one. Separated and disconnected, his spirit was no longer connected to any of his previous humanity except for one tiny part which was like a Child lost in the Warp. Since the Emperor's soul survived, there was a chance that his whole essence could be reborn once more.

Like those that died together to combine and form the Emperor, so too could the Emperor's death lead into a new savior. However, the destruction left his essence like a Child that needed to be developed over time. Like the Chaos gods, his essence would be reawakened when the desires of mankind called out for him. He would be the god of humanity, its savior.

The soul of the Emperor cast amongst the warp is the Star Child. The humans that were left in the Imperium had no real understanding of what had happened to the Emperor, but some, like the Thorians, speculated on how the Emperor could be reborn. Though the Emperor's body continued to live in his Golden Throne and he continued to be a beacon for humanity, his true power waited for the day that humanity would need him most. He was a god waiting to be born and a broken mortal shell that used his last energy to protect humanity until his rebirth."

i would just like to give praise to the 'eavy metal' team and other artists who paint the warhammer models. some of the models are amazing and it is a skill that is hard to perfect, i know because i have painted many of the models myself before,

also i give praise to the designers who initialy sculpt the models to begin with, again that is a decent talent and skill, i enjoy looking at the painted models alot.


peace.

The models are overpriced to be sure, but I think the enormous amounts of backstory and concept art could go quite far to making a decent videogame of some kind.

I should try Dawn of War and Fire Warrior, I guess.

dawn of war is a good RTS i have played it a good few times, fire warrior though is a piece of shit dont buy it you will be dissapointed.

peace.

I didn't so much mean that the Tau couldn't fight in melee, just that it wasn't the best course of action for their strengths and weaknesses, that and I forgot about the kroots. The star child theory is an intersting one, liked it the first time you told it to me. ;-P and the Emporer would destroy anyone in star trek with no problem.

Oh its you...I had a feeling lol

We need to get some tekkies over here to start things up again

What, like a horrible shiver, or fear? But yea it's me, in all my miniscule, nonexisting glory. I have to agree that the Emporer would beat Q no prob, its like Greivious vs a little kitten, just one big, horrible blood bath.

lol btw i have played fire worrior and its not that bad of a game not great but not bad just rent it.

yea, haven't played it, saw the garbage dispenser play it though, looked fun. I would of pmed you but I don't have enough posts.

If we can get some trekkies here we can get to debating >_>

I'm thinking of starting a Halo vs Star Trek, Star Trek might have a chance if it's just the humans.

yup

Covent vs St would be better

yea,more even tech, but the arbitor would kill kirk like Vader killed babies. But what abot flood vs Stare Trek?

Gotta go, later.

So a larg battle fleet of the Imperium of Man led by the Emperor come out of the warp only to find earth under the control of the Fed, now the warp gate stays open and alows chaos to come in full force but also the imperium can make jumps back to their time what happens when the Emperor sees holy terra under control of the Fed?

The Emporer takes Terra back with vengance.

A full out war between Borg and Necron?

Borg lose, Necron win.

The Necrons warp the laws of physics to their advantage, their repair mechanisms are beyond anything the Borg can offer and their weaponry are far superior. There is no armor/structure that can withstand Necron weaponry as theirs tend to rip atoms apart regardless of bonding strength and geometry. Furthermore, I believe they do have some shield passing weaponry and aren't retarded and have Death Star-esque weak points.

Plus, if the Necron feel inclined to board the enemy ship what are the Borg going to do? Zombie walk their way towards an Immortal group and its Lord only to get flayed by gauss weaponry?

Could Borg assimlate Necron I say no because the fact that Necron are magic

Also what about Demons?

Borg lose, Necron win.

The Necrons warp the laws of physics to their advantage, their repair mechanisms are beyond anything the Borg can offer and their weaponry are far superior. There is no armor/structure that can withstand Necron weaponry as theirs tend to rip atoms apart regardless of bonding strength and geometry. Furthermore, I believe they do have some shield passing weaponry and aren't retarded and have Death Star-esque weak points.

Plus, if the Necron feel inclined to board the enemy ship what are the Borg going to do? Zombie walk their way towards an Immortal group and its Lord only to get flayed by gauss weaponry?

Okay, vast misunderstanding of the Borg.

The Borg only walk to their targets because they don't find them a threat. Also, it gives time for other drones, such as tactical drones, to move into a flanking position, thus cutting off escape. Their targets will often be slow to move since they're also trying to kill the borg (in most cases), thus while they're paying attention to the drones that are shambling toward them, they don't know about the drones that are moving to cut them off. And to the borg, a single drone is nothing. In fact, a single Cube is nothing. They are a vast mind that make up thousands of different races, and millions, if not billions of each of them. Killing a few thousand drones is like a man with a needle trying to fend of a T-Rex, at best, all he can do is annoy it while the dino just laughs at his puny effort.

Also, Necrons have shown no actual immunity to being assimilated. Only species 8472 has ever resisted the Borg, and that was because 8472 had an immune system so great, that it destroyed any foreign objects instantly. And even if the Necrons did have this, it wouldn't work as the Borg got Voyager's research from 7 of 9 upon her reconnection to the hive mind, thus the Borg would only have to scan or capture a single cell of these things, immitate the tactic used on 8472, and the proced to destroying them.

of course, the Necrons don't have this, so the borg, facing a simple organic race, would just use warheads filled with nanoprobes, fire them and assimilate entire ships. Even use that one warhead they mentioned in Scorpion that would engulf an entire solar system.

And by the way, even when the UFP managed to bypass the Borg ability to negate their weapons, their weapons still did very little to the ships. And again, if the Necrons are still too powerful, there is always time travel as a means of assimilation.

Of course, 40k firepower is likely pretty high, even for the borg, but after assimilating one ship, they should improve upon this gap very quickly.:)

Tobad Magic trumps Tech everytime

Seems the Borg can only assmilate organics and it cant get past armor, and most things in warhmmamer have armor. and the fact that you have to have a mind in the 1st place which necron dont have.

Seems the Borg can only assmilate organics and it cant get past armor, and most things in warhmmamer have armor. and the fact that you have to have a mind in the 1st place which necron dont have.

No. Borg can assimilate technology just as easily as organic materials. In fact, in Voyager we see that when some of 7 of 9s nanoprobes get into the doctor Mobil Emitter (some future tech that Voyager had gained), it takes it over, a nearby works console, and zapps a UFP officer to create a Borg drone known as one who was basicly so uber that he basicly single handidly hacked a Borg sphere and sent it into a nearby part of space that was so dangerouse that its gravity crushed the borg sphere in less than five seconds and One survived with some injuries and a fading shield. When Voyager beamed him back aboard, he chose to make himself die so that the Borg wouldn't hunt Voyager down just to get to One.

And again, as I said before, Borg nanoprobe tubes can penetrate almost any armor and shielding. So well in fact, that even UFP technobabble had no way of finding something that could stop it.

And Borg vs Adeptus Astartes that would be even worse.

So borg can assimilate magic?

So borg can assimilate magic?

Unknown.:shrug:

But they can assimilate physical beings, so it hardly matters if said thing is magical if they have a biological or technological physical being.

Necron arent Bio or tech they are magic beings and magic does have a big impact on tech why because tech is uselss against gods and magic.
But I think we need to wait until more ppl say anything before we get the final on this sound good?

Oh and Necron weapons are way more poweful then Borg they are EMP weapons calibarted to destory atoms no matter how dence(I dont think i spelt that right) and dont even bring up teleports necrons can phase out of matter and energy, and necrons can just teleport back and sheilds have no effect on necrons they just appear.:cool:

Necron arent Bio or tech they are magic beings and magic does have a big impact on tech why because tech is uselss against gods and magic.
But I think we need to wait until more ppl say anything before we get the final on this sound good?

But they exist as physical beings. And, even if Necrons are magical, it does not make them gods, nor does it grant immunity to tech. Necrons are robotic creatures, thus they can be assimilated. A borg mine with a yield five million isotons can easily affect an entire universe. I very much doubt that even the Necrons could walk that off.

Oh and Necron weapons are way more poweful then Borg they are EMP weapons calibarted to destory atoms no matter how dence(I dont think i spelt that right) and dont even bring up teleports necrons can phase out of matter and energy, and necrons can just teleport back and sheilds have no effect on necrons they just appear.:cool:

That's fine, then the Borg just step up their game. When they do meet a threat, the Borg move with speed. Take Enterprise where the Borg are actually rushing all over the ship to assimilate key areas of the ship. When they had the numbers, the drones started to walk slowly again.

Since Borg drones also have disruptors, it should be fairly even. And while their ships may take alot of damage before they adapt, their ship can heal up to 80% damage, and their hulls are damn tough. Not to mention the borg will be firing back and they too can beam through shields.

not even the borg could stand up to the powers of the 40k verse i mean you have the imperium and chaos who have shear volume of fire that would degrade their sheilds quickly the eldar and tau have the tech to screw up the borg six ways to sunday the necron have hugely powerful weaponary the tyranids would just evisarate the borg and as for the orcs all i have to say WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

necron have to be the fastest race in all of Warhammer when it comes to space comabat their ships are almost indestructable and they have weapons that have been known to destory whole imperail fleets in one shot luckly for the rest of Warhammer this is only scouting forces. Oh and they can heal 100% damage in only a few min

No Necron ships use the warp for travel. Instead they rely on Faster Than Light travel or 'inertless drive'. This appears to allow the Necron ships to travel at limitless speeds.

I have to agree with Fettman and pjdude1219 on this, the Borg couldn't win. the Necrons alone could take out the borg. When you bring in the Imperium and the rest of the races it turns from a battle into a massacre.

I do see borg being even in numbers with necron and basic infantry firepower but ships and speed and the use of magic and being able to phase and just the fact that you cant kill a necron for good necron would win. Ork vs klingon would be a very good fight

The largest Necron ship encountered so far, the Tombship is a terrifyingly well-armed craft easily capable of defeating any Imperial battleship. Equipped with various heavy weapon batteries for both long and short range attack, Tombships can wreak havoc while absorbing a disheartening amount of return fire. They are also known to sometimes carry special vaults called Sepulchres. These mysterious devices wear down the minds of enemy crews, causing unrest throughout the ship and disrupting the chain of command. Also, Sepulchre-equipped Tombships are able to shoot down incoming ordnance much more easily than their normal counterparts.:D

It would be a close one. In basic hand to hand i'd say ork just cuz of their brute strength and thoughness. Ship wise I'm not sure on, that would be a close one.

I would give the space battles to the Klingon unless the mighty space hulks made up the ork fleet. But in ground comabat ork can tear a man in half and then use it to kill the dead mans allies.

MEAT CLUBS!!!!:-D...sorry.

Oh and necrons arent robots like you think they are they are nothing but living magic metal, magic energy, and a soul they have no electronics inside of them and the Fact that their gods can manifest in realality does play a big part, the fact that the Nightbringer would just kill the borg queen with one stroke of his Scyth is another thing.

I do see borg being even in numbers with necron and basic infantry firepower but ships and speed and the use of magic and being able to phase and just the fact that you cant kill a necron for good necron would win. Ork vs klingon would be a very good fight

Sure, the Borg are at a disadvantage, double so with magic...but that all ends as soon as the Borg assimilate one Necron. Because when that happens, whatever that Necron knew is now known throught the hive mind, and all it takes is an injection of nanoprobes. In seconds, they will be part of the hive mind and the Borg will know all that they need to know to counter Necron weapons and shields.:)

Still a tough battle though.

I'll tell you their weakness, Chaos gods. thats the only known weekness of necrons. But if you can learn how to counter magic then you have a shot.
And I dont think you can recreat magic weapons that are created by gods.

I'll tell you their weakness, Chaos gods. thats the only known weekness of necrons. But if you can learn how to counter magic then you have a shot.
And I dont think you can recreat magic weapons that are created by gods.

Perhaps, perhaps not. But it would likely grant the Borg the ability to negate the weapons, as magic is still energy and the Borg can adapt to any form of energy if they have assimilated it already (within reason).

Heres something that my friend was telling me, he said that when borg assimilate some1 with psi powers they dont get the ablility to use them anymore, so he said the same thing would do with magic, and the fact that the gauss weapons and their bodies were made by gods and are not made of any material in the universe would also keep them from being assmilated and replicated. that seems to be very good proof right their as for countering magic its been proven over and over in many fantasy that the only thing to counter magic with is more magic and borg seem to even lack psi powers.
:)

The fight would still be good, the borg have vast numbers as do necrons and if a necron bodie is totaly destoryed the soul gains a new one from the C'tan.
And the borg can assmilate more to bolster their numbers.

Heres something that my friend was telling me, he said that when borg assimilate some1 with psi powers they dont get the ablility to use them anymore, so he said the same thing would do with magic, and the fact that the gauss weapons and their bodies were made by gods and are not made of any material in the universe would also keep them from being assmilated and replicated. that seems to be very good proof right their as for countering magic its been proven over and over in many fantasy that the only thing to counter magic with is more magic and borg seem to even lack psi powers.
:)

That doesn't even make sense.:bugeye:

Any telepathic or empathic abilities are biological. Aside from that, there are no psi powers in Star Trek. So, if your friend has any evidence on why they lose the ability, I would be very interested to hear it.

And magic and psi powers are two different things. So no, that is not any evidence that the Borg can attapt and assimilate magic.

The fight would still be good, the borg have vast numbers as do necrons and if a necron bodie is totaly destoryed the soul gains a new one from the C'tan.
And the borg can assmilate more to bolster their numbers.

You realize that once they assimilate one Necron, they'll know how to do it as well right?

Of course the Necrons are individually more powerful than the Borg, but there are waaaaaay more Borg. Remember, there are hardly any Necrons left in the universe - the remaining Necrons basically lurk around and occasionally pop up somewhere when they need to accomplish some unfathomable goal. Even if the Borg had to resort to killing Necrons by dropping cubes on Necrons one at a time, the Necrons would probably run out of soldiers before the Borg ran out of cubes.

There are only four C'tan left in the universe; The Void Dragon, The Outsider, The Nightbringer, and The Deceiver. The Void Dragon seems to have abandoned the Necrons completely (he's the one on Mars who the Adeptus Mechanicus worships as their Machine God). The Outsider is dormant, and is supposed to be insane anyway, so it's not clear he would be any help even if he woke up. That leaves the Necrons with only Nightbringer and The Deceiver, and the Deceiver seems to do most of his work through manipulating politics and impersonating people, which would be useless against the Borg.

Okay one thing nobody has considered is scale. In star trek empires span a small fraction of a quadrant of the Galaxy. In 40k the imprium is 100 million worlds and takes up most of the glaxay, with countless billions of troops they could lose 100 men for evey 1 they kill and would still be winning on a massive scale, During the grate crusade mankind exterminated something like 90% of other Intelligent spices.

If the battle took place in 40k universe ST ships wouldn't be angle to travel faster than light without navigators. In the ST universe Imperial ships wouldn't be hindered by warp entities so their ships would be far more affective.

Another thing too consider is what each side is willing to do. The imprium is far worse that any of the bad guy races in ST, they have no problem with exterminating whole planets and their populations if it is tactically help full.

They would massacre their own troops if they think they have been contaminated by the borg. And Nova cannon would take out cubes in one shot (they crack the crust of planets) and void shield stop teleportation. Not to mention imperial ships are much bigger than Borg cubes.

Ground wars are also going in the imperiums favour what with titans and all.

The imperium of the 40k universe would win against the star trek universe purely because the ST universe wouldn't be able to kill fast enough to make a dent in the imperium.

For scale merzoDOTnet (it wont let me post links)

If the battle took place in 40k universe ST ships wouldn't be angle to travel faster than light without navigators. In the ST universe Imperial ships wouldn't be hindered by warp entities so their ships would be far more affective.

You can go faster than light in the 40k universe without going through the warp, most races just don't know how. The C'tan and Necrons have FTL ships that don't use the warp at all.

The Necrons don't really trevel anywhere they teleport even necron ships. The Eldar travel through the web ways. Even during the great crusade when human tech was awesome (better than ST) they didn't have FTL that didn't need the warp.

The Necrons don't really trevel anywhere they teleport even necron ships.
Would don't consider that FTL? :bugeye:

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Necron ships dont teleport, they seem to teleport because they can move at limitless speeds because their ships are unbound by inertia. As for ground forces, they can teleport almost anywere in the galaxy other than the Eye of terror and Holy Terra.

As for borg out numbering Necrons I doubt that, thousands of tombworlds would mean countless necrons.

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O_o WTF? Kirk this is WARHAMMER vs Star Trek.

I guess thats Renforcments for the Warhammer side

Unneeded overkill but the intentioons are good I guess.

would make it more interesting though.

The Eldar alone could beat ST the imperium of man would just bomb the crap out of everything and send IG to clear everything up and when it came to the borg the SM would bord their cubes and kill anything that moved then blow up the cube for fun.

end it alot faster too

How would the Feds react to the the Eye of terror?
The feds ships wouldnt want to go into the warp, unless the captian really likes Demons eating his crew.

speaking as a huge trekkie, even if the Borg, the Dominion, the Cardassians. the UFP, the Klingon Empire and the Rmulan Star Empire united to repel a Crusade, they would get anhillated, can you say Titan? Emperror class Ship? Terminator Chaplin? Dreadnought? Landraider? or the "untold BILLIONS" of the Imperial Guard? what is Riker going to do against a fucking Lemman Russ?

I was watching ST and a Borg ship was able to destroy 40 ships which is sadly the largest loss in federation history sad because they only produce a few hundred ships! But a necron Tomb Ship can fire one weapon and destroy 60 ships at the same time, Borg have trillions but necrons have thousands of Tomb worlds packed with them.

After your fleets are Destroyed, citys will be filled with Guardsmen, Space Marines and Titans and all shall give you the Emperors swift mercy, and in Borg controled space nothing but Chaos or Necron fleets and in the Klingon Empire, nothing but waves of Green as the Mighty Ork plunder your worlds!
And finaly Q shall no longer exist thanks to the Chaos GODS!

Some ppl think Warhammer 40k is fantasy well its not its gothic sicfi