Wall of the World (http://www.walloftheworld.org/eng/) legend

The Wall of the World project starts on 19 April, 2007. And from then on every inhabitant of the world can contribute to the Wall of World.

The Wall of the World is a magnificent 47 hectare park with 272 granite walls, each 3.5m high and 0.5 m thick. Both sides of each wall will show the details of 65 million people or 1% of the world’s total population - name, family name, town and birth data. Thus the Wall of the World will be created by 65 million people. People who highly value the unity of humankind, friendship and peace.

The Wall of World will be the largest ever man made testimony of the existence of humankind. The Wall of the World will be the greatest evidence of the unity of humankind.

Anyone who visits www.walloftheworld.org can take part in the construction of the wall. Everyone can add his or her name to the history of the world. Anyone’s name can be immortalised to leave evidence of his or her existence. So can you.

READ MORE (http://www.walloftheworld.org/eng/legend/?doc=118)

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Personally I think this is an awesome [Latvian] project!
If sufficient number of people won't cup for this, the money will be donated to the Red Cross.

p.s. Payment by credit cards not yet available, I shall notify when it will.
Only bank transfer atm.

Interesting, to say the least.
I haven't clicked on the link yet... will it be in Latvia?

Will it encirle Latvia?

Yes, it will hopefully take up 47ha in Latvia.
http://www.walloftheworld.org/eng/facts/location/

Today’s grand projects like the Palm Island in Dubai, the Arab Emirates, have set out to surprise the world as the eighth wonder. These man made islands planted in water are worth billions and accessible only to the rich. Paradoxically, yet again the rich and the mighty have taken upon themselves to declare what is to be the eighth wonder of the world. These constructions are certainly admirable as a feat of civil engineering but not as a symbol of contemporary values.

Today differs from the old days. When people speak they can change public opinion and convention. By placing your name and information on the Wall of the World you cast your vote for the Wall of the World to be recognized as the eighth wonder of the world. 65 million people will vote that the Wall of the World is the eighth wonder of the world. Who will call into question the opinion of the world’s people? Who will set the toys of millionaires against the dream of the world’s people?

We will build the eighth wonder of the world together. And your name will be written on it.

Every letter left by us on the Wall of the World will be part of our voting. It will be a vote saying that we are worthy of admiration - for forming evidence of unity, a new symbol of love, tolerance, respect, peace and friendship.

The privileges of the 21st century such as the Internet, communications, cross-border friendship, free movement of people, money and resources allow us to show that true values do not reside in material wealth – they reside in us and in the hallmarks of this era. Today no barriers to the unity of people exist. We can accomplish whatever we wish by the means available to us.

At this stage of civilisation we can make our voice heard from wherever we are. The Wall of the World will be our voice for delivering a distinct message long after we cease to exist.

Today’s values and power resides in us and in our time here, its unprecedented possibilities and its freedoms, and its opportunity for unity.

This message will make itself heard, it will not go unnoticed today and will reverberate throughout generations to come.

Our names on the eighth wonder of the world will be the evidence.

Get the facts - http://www.walloftheworld.org/eng/facts/

...yet again the rich and the mighty have taken upon themselves to declare what is to be the eighth wonder of the world....

Fuck, you convinced me!
How much is it?

5 Euro, please see http://www.walloftheworld.org/eng/add_your_name/

65 million names x 5 Euro. Thats a lot of money.

Will it encirle Latvia?

lmao

65 million names x 5 Euro. Thats a lot of money.

The price may rise up to 20 Euro.
How much is immortality and sticking it to the Bourgeois worth to you?
$40 is too much to ask?

Can I put my name up twice?

Well, it's 5 Euro for now. :)

How much will this "wall" cost?

And how many hungry children of the world would that money feed?
How much medicine would it buy for the sick and impoverished in the world?
How many homeless shelters could it provide for the homeless and the sick?

Who is going to pay for this wonderful bit of ....ahh, uselessness?

Baron Max

Not everything can be measured in materialistic gains.
I know you can't wrap your brain around such concepts, so I won't even bother.

How much will this "wall" cost?
No idea whatsoever.

Who is going to pay for this wonderful bit of ....ahh, uselessness?
Well, I am for one.

How much will this "wall" cost?
Apparently somewhere between 325,000,000 and 1,300,000,000 Euros.

And how many hungry children of the world would that money feed?
How much medicine would it buy for the sick and impoverished in the world?
How many homeless shelters could it provide for the homeless and the sick?

How much money have you spent in your lifetime on things you did not "need" that could have been spent on these things?
I'd wager it has been more than $10 - $40.

Well, 65million is just a set goal for an indefinite period of time. It's a symbolic figure (~1/100 of the planet's population), not an economical.
The building of the park will start when 2 million sign on. So I guess the minimum sum is 10,000,000 Euro.

Apparently somewhere between 325,000,000 and 1,300,000,000 Euros.

That's a lot of food for hungry children, ain't it?

How much money have you spent in your lifetime on things you did not "need" that could have been spent on these things? I'd wager it has been more than $10 - $40.

So ....if I've been wasteful, then it's okay for the rest of the world do be wasteful?

Baron Max

PS - just so you know, I've always been frugal ....very frugal. Which is how I was able to retire at 55.

I think the woods are more welcoming just the way they are. Enough walls already. If they build it, I (for one) won't come.

Just a thought .....how much energy will it take to build and maintain this "Wall of the World"? And how much will that energy usage contribute to the problems of global warming ...or cooling, or whatever it is?

And how many homes of poor people could be warmed and lighted with that much energy?

And this is not even counting the energy that people will waste going to see this monstrous "Wall for Nothing".

Baron Max

That's really irrelevant, it's the idea and vision that counts.
Even fed people die, but, what is built, endures.

p.s. I don't think that granite walls use a lot of energy.

How much will this "wall" cost?

And how many hungry children of the world would that money feed?
How much medicine would it buy for the sick and impoverished in the world?
How many homeless shelters could it provide for the homeless and the sick?

Who is going to pay for this wonderful bit of ....ahh, uselessness?

Baron Max

Maybe the Homeless could build it for cheap labor, and then live on top of it. I totally agree with you, how many stones/bricks and time could be used to build hospitals, education centers, or even shelters. Its not like we dont have a 'great wall' already. Lets just engrave our name in that one. It would be like, what, 2 yen? Geeze.

Yes, and how many of those could have been built by not warring in Iraq, but yet you war there.
Hypocrite! :p

Any way, this is not a project about money, it's to make a symbol.

Any way, this is not a project about money, it's to make a symbol.

A symbol? How many of the starving people of the world will get to see it? And if they can't see it, experience it, then it must be a "symbol" for only those who have enough money to travel to the location.

See? It's a "symbol" of the wealth that some people have and those who are willing to waste it on some stupid fuckin' "symbol" that only a few will experience.

Baron Max

So vote with your valet and don't donate to the project. ;)

That's the whole point, the project will realize itself, if enough ordinary people will directly want it and contribute to it.

And there always will be someone starving somewhere.

And there always will be someone starving somewhere.

But perhaps there'll be less people starving if we use that money wisely instead of waste it by building a wall that few people will ever experience. And see, that's the whole point of the fuckin' wall, ain't it?

Baron Max

The point is not the wall.
If you haven't understood it by now, I see no reason to continue the talk with you on this.

But perhaps there'll be less people starving if we use that money wisely instead of waste it by building a wall that few people will ever experience. And see, that's the whole point of the fuckin' wall, ain't it?

Baron Max

Max,
Is there no monument that you appreciate?
No veterans of war monuments?
Not the immigration center and wall of immigrants at Ellis Island?
The Washington Momument?
Eiffel Tower?
Statue of Liberty?
Mount Rushmore?

The point is not the wall.
If you haven't understood it by now, I see no reason to continue the talk with you on this.

"Thus the Wall of the World will be created by 65 million people. People who highly value the unity of humankind, friendship and peace."

The unity of humankind??? ...LOL! Unity in wasting money while so many of humankind are starving to death? That shows evidence of ....unity??? :D

"The Wall of the World will be the greatest evidence of the unity of humankind."

Actually we already have evidence of the "unity" of humankind .....the millions of people that we allow to starve to death is proof of our "unity". We don't need another fuckin' monument to prove how unified we are ....we just need to look at all the people who starve to death every day.

Baron Max

Max, Is there no monument that you appreciate?

Yes, but not one of the did I approve for construction! After the money is wasted, what choice do we have? But if we can stop some of it, perhaps we should think a bit about it, huh?

Baron Max

The Wall of the World will be the greatest evidence of the unity of humankind.


LOL.

hummm, you wanted do say something?

hummm, you wanted do say something?

Avatar,

Monuments are a powerful testament to human vanity... especially when they erode away.

This is a massive waste of time and energy on something tasteless and ostentatious.

Don't you just love that scene in Planet of the Apes when Charlton Heston is on the beach with the sunk Statue of Liberty?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/61/300px-Statue_of_liberty_in_planet_of_the_apes.jpg

If you really want to do something for 'humanity' then work less. A lot less.

Monuments are a powerful testament to human vanity... especially when they erode away.
I don't share that opinion.

...We don't need another fuckin' monument to prove how unified we are ....we just need to look at all the people who starve to death every day. Baron MaxAre you sick? This does not sound like you. Sounds more like me. It is definitely left wing socially and right wing about government waste!

Perhapse while you are not your normal self, you will even agree with me that US needs to provide a good free education to all (not just in wealthy neighborhoods)?

That suggestion (so shocking to the good old BM) may restore your normal mental state and atitudes. :bawl:

It is definitely left wing socially and right wing about government waste!

What government?

I don't share that opinion.

Avatar,

A monument is not a home for anyone.

It has no practical use.

Just glorifying some human action that will inevitably depend upon the creators historical perspective.

It has no practical use.
Sure it has, I imagine it will be beautiful, if built.

What government?Most.

As an "expat American," still concerned for the USA, most of my suggestions and critism is USA directed in an effort to get US on a more productive course, but I will comment on Brazil this time.

I just saw in local Sao Paulo paper that the the expenditures on government worker' salaries here during the 5 years of President Lula's tenure have increased by 50% and the total of investments by government in Brazil's infrastructure (roads, ports, etc.) and social programs with enduring value (education, public health, etc.) by only 5%!

Unfortunately, the government in Brazil is about as bad as it gets, outside of Africa:

(1)The police are more likely to kill you than the robbers are.
(2)The tax burden on business is one of the highest in the world (Usually expressed here as: "Taxes like Sweeden, Services like Nigeria").
(3)Lula's administration believes the government is best agent to solve any problem, just need an new program and more employees to run it. (and to vote "correctly" in the next election.)
(4)Terrible corruption - new government graft scandal every month - never anyone goes to jail. Being a Congressman is how to get rich quick.
(5)Judges cooperate with the rich crooks that come to trial - I.e. they sell light sentences or only probation.

There is more but you get the picture.

Fortunately Brazil has a good free press and the "wild west days" - like US in 1800s - is begining to change, thanks to that. Also some parts of the federal police seem to be honest and expose crimes, but the local police are paid to look another way etc.

I was just pointing out that this was not a government project...

I was just pointing out that this was not a government project...Ok - I missed that POV, but I bet money given is tax deductable so it partially is, if that is the case.

From the website:
Important!

Please read carefully the below information regarding all donations to Wall of the World Ltd.:

* Your donation is not tax deductible
* Your donation will not receive any tangible or intangible acknowledgment from Wall of the World Ltd.
* By donating you act in good faith and are guided by a wish to support the Wall of the World project without claiming any compensation
* All donations are non-refundable.

{showed not tax-deductable}OK, again. not a government wall.

I will take my cynical "fall back" position (also in ignorance :D ):

How do I get to be a PAID member of the wall management team?

(I am well qualified educationally* and also building a house all by myself.)
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*Lot of strength of materials etc. courses while under grad at Cornell. - certified engineer etc.

I have no idea, I'm not a member of their team.
You can always contact them and ask for yourself.

I have no idea, I'm not a member of their team.
You can always contact them and ask for yourself.For making me know about it, I will be sending your 10% of my cut. ;)

Sure it has, I imagine it will be beautiful, if built.


Like I said then, it has no practical value.

Are you sick? This does not sound like you. ... Perhapse while you are not your normal self, you will even agree with me that US needs to provide a good free education to all (not just in wealthy neighborhoods)?

The US government should do nothing about education!! That should be left up to the states ...and better yet, to the parents of the kids! Each school should teach whatever they think their kids should be taught. Whenever the "government" gets involved in anything, the shit always hits the fan!

It (the monument) is definitely left wing socially and right wing about government waste!

I agree. the monument is nothing but a waste of money. I'd rather have people send money to Bill Gates than waste it on that fuckin' stupid monument!

That suggestion (so shocking to the good old BM) may restore your normal mental state and atitudes.

You should know by now that I vacillate between extreme right wing, and extreme left wing! But most of the time, I really don't know what my views are on any one subject ...I mostly don't know enough.

Baron Max

Sure it has, I imagine it will be beautiful, if built.

So could a home for starving children. Plus it would have some practical use instead of just a ....big fuckin' rock with names on it.

Let's see ....which is better to show the "unity" of humankind? 1. A big rock with a bunch of names on it, or 2. A nice big home for starving children?

Baron Max

A home does not have he same impact on the psyche of a perceiver.

The US government should do nothing about education!! That should be left up to the states ...and better yet, to the parents of the kids! Each school should teach whatever they think their kids should be taught. ...Baron MaxCongratulations on your speedy recovery. ;)

Yes, and how many of those could have been built by not warring in Iraq, but yet you war there.
Hypocrite! :p

Any way, this is not a project about money, it's to make a symbol.

"I" war there? Since when do I war in Iraq? Im not inlisted, nor do I like the war.... Ignorance! :p

I agree. the monument is nothing but a waste of money. I'd rather have people send money to Bill Gates than waste it on that fuckin' stupid monument!

Baron Max[/QUOTE]

We waste our money all the time - wars, buildings, big cars... Why we can't waste our money to build a monument for unity of some people at once?

Baron Max, are you old enough to remember the old one room school? when the school board was made up from the neighbors, and the Kids actually could read, add, and subtract, at the end of the first grade? what has consolidation given us? that by the 5th grade they can read at the first grade level? when they graduate they can't even read their diplomas? The dumbest kid in my class could read the comic books, which he was always in trouble for, and the occasional playboy he stole from his dads collection, and he had enough knowledge of addition and subtraction that you couldn't cheat him in monetary matters, can the same be said of today students? Not the way most of young people, who work give change now days.

I don't see how the problems of the US educational system apply to this topic.

Simple, Latvia should be paying for US schools, not some silly wall....

Many problems can't be solved by throwing money at it.

You obviously have never been to the US. All their problems have been solved with money.

What would be really cool and also make Baron Max happy is if I got 10 million people to send me 10 dollars each so that I could open a chain of 200 kebab shops, franchise it out to 20,000 kebab shops and all the profits and royalty fees (less admin expenses and a fat cut for ME) go directly to humanitarian projects all round the globe.

This will be every day, every week, ongoing for as long as the business is running, can you imagine how much money would be available to help the poor, uneducated and starving of this world? Let me give you some ball park figures.

20,000 kebab shops, turnover $20,000 mininimum each per week = $400000000. Out of a royalty of 7%, 2% would be absolutely clear profit, therefore $8000000 A WEEK! $8000000 a WEEK, would go towards these charities that is over $400,000000 per year .

Now, that is some legacy, ain't it?

You can all send your donations to my Paypal account in the Cayman Islands.

I tried to send money but I keep getting an error. Dont worry I shall keep trying all night, its a worthy cause.

Many problems can't be solved by throwing money at it.

But many problems of the world can be solved by hauling in a big fuckin' rock and putting some names on it! :D

Send money now ....to; THE BIG FUCKIN' ROCK PROJECT

c/o; Baron Max, Texas - cash only, nothing less than $100. If you're so fuckin' cheap that you can't afford $100 for the big fuckin' rock, then we don't want your filthy money. Throw it at some homeless people, they might, just might, take it.

Baron Max

The price may rise up to 20 Euro.
How much is immortality and sticking it to the Bourgeois worth to you?
$40 is too much to ask?
How does building a wall in the middle of nowhere "stick it to the bourgeois?

We should build a wall like this on the US/Mexico border. That way we can get the wall we need to help control illegal immigration, and it pays for itself via $5 tickets to "immortality".

And there always will be someone starving somewhere.You're now on the road to becoming conservative. :)

p.s. I don't think that granite walls use a lot of energy.
Granite is heavy. Moving it to the area where the wall is being built will require lots of energy.

How does building a wall in the middle of nowhere "stick it to the bourgeois?

When you're drunk it does. :D

When you're drunk it does. :D
Now I see your logic.:m:

Wow. What a waste of time, money, and effort.

1st of all, it's not even going to be A wall. It's going to be 272 small walls up to a maximum length of 182 meters. Golly that's impressive.

Of course, their aim is "humanitarian":

The Wall of the World is a project about the unity of humankind, and thus every citizen of the world should be afforded the opportunity to leave his/her name on the pages of history irrespective of their income. With this end in mind the project’s management is developing a programme that will allow people living in lesser developed areas to register and have their details inscribed on the wall.

To make this possible, the Wall of the World will invite donors and patrons from across the world to make contributions to enable people of the poorer regions of the world to register for the Wall of the World project free of charge. The donations will be administered and the free registration will be organised by an international charity organisation with which the project’s management will make an agreement.


Because if you ask the impoverished and starving peoples of the world if they would rather have their name engraved in a granite wall somewhere in Europe or a ham sandwich or maybe a malaria vaccine they would want their name on a wall. :bugeye:

Of course, a whopping 10% of the project's revenue actually will go to charitable organizations. Never mind that 11.1% will go to administrative expenses, another 8.6% to marketing, and the rest will go to building a bunch of walls.

Gimme a break. I'll make you a deal. Send your 5 euros to a charity that actually helps people and I promise I'll scratch your name into the drywall in my basement with a pocketknife.

~Raithere

The questoin isnt about what people realy need, the question is about what people can do together. There is a question - can the people of different nations come together and make something together without thougts - who will benefit from this

There are only ~ 2 mln people in Latvia so even if every latvian will participate in this project - it will not survive, latvians needs support of other nations in this project

What would be really cool and also make Baron Max happy is if I got 10 million people to send me 10 dollars each so that I could open a chain of 200 kebab shops, franchise it out to 20,000 kebab shops and all the profits and royalty fees (less admin expenses and a fat cut for ME) go directly to humanitarian projects all round the globe.

This will be every day, every week, ongoing for as long as the business is running, can you imagine how much money would be available to help the poor, uneducated and starving of this world? Let me give you some ball park figures.

20,000 kebab shops, turnover $20,000 mininimum each per week = $400000000. Out of a royalty of 7%, 2% would be absolutely clear profit, therefore $8000000 A WEEK! $8000000 a WEEK, would go towards these charities that is over $400,000000 per year .

Now, that is some legacy, ain't it?

You can all send your donations to my Paypal account in the Cayman Islands.

And kebab makes people love instead of kill.

There are thousands of more expensive projects in the world with less advisability, theere are millions ways we are spending our money which we could give to a charity. Why You dont like spending of money to show the unity of world people?

I find this project interesting also because it points to a possibility on a new way of organizing world society, i.e., making decisions on the internet that have real power bypassing traditional governments. It's an efficient way of gathering many voices for one goal.
Let's say someone wants to build a satellite for a particular mission and no government or private organization wants to sponsor it, but many people in different countries want.

The questoin isnt about what people realy need, the question is about what people can do together. There is a question - can the people of different nations come together and make something together without thougts - who will benefit from this But people from all over the world aren't getting together to do it. People from all over the world are sending money to pay some local people to do it for them. That happens all the time.

~Raithere

Of course not physically, that's not efficient.

How are the names being added to the wall, paint? Carved?

Carved.

Where should I send my money?

I'd rather give it to a big fuckin' rock than give it to some hungry, homeless, little beggar!

Baron Max

Latvia.

How does building a wall in the middle of nowhere "stick it to the bourgeois?
The same way buying Che shirts helps fight capitalism. For only $7.99!