WTF? "ISP proof" file sharing?

WTF? How the hell can you hide anything from your ISP?

Does this shit really work? If it does, imagine the implications. Everyone would get this "Kazaa Lite Xtreme Edition", and RIAA would sue Verizon, only to get a reply from Verizon that "they can't figure out who it is" ....

I have serious doubts, though. There is no such thing as a lock that no one can pick or crack open. If the RIAA really wants to (and it does) it will probably sue to get Verizon to develop software to crack this "Kazaa Lite Xtreme Edition" or something. They've developed spiders that crawl all over Kazaa, that's one sure thing.

Any thoughts on this? Don't you dare move this to Nerd Culture. No one ever goes there.

I hereby invoke the Curse of the Ancient Egyptian Gods. May the one who dares to move this thread elsewhere be plagued by reanimated mummies, be plagued by scorpions, and be plagued by an incurable Rot.

 

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I mean, imagine the legal implications if the RIAA is willing to duke it out with all the hackers out there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they drive it up to the point that it becomes illegal to own backup copies of stuff you BOUGHT, and to even own more than one computer.

LOL, imagine a law requiring everyone to plant a RIAA controlled BO2K on their own computers, and it being a criminal offense to even TRY to take it off.

And Bush just loves those big business whores, doesn't he? Maybe they blow him so good he likes them there?

 

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Shit, if this next move don't work the RIAA is going to start publically executing file sharers.

There's no way the RIAA can do more than intimidate file sharers by attacking the little ones, Joe Blow who dl'ed "Hot Nasty Blondes" and the newest Coldplay song. It might work if they strike at random, but it's also likely to piss a lot of people off.

Enough to boycott its members??

RIAA's losing - you can't fight technology with legalese - but I don't expect them to go down without pulling some nasty shit.

 

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Sad thing to break to everyone, but giant corporations are rich.

Not all computer experts and hackers are so fortunate.

 

It'd help if Americans weren't lazy sheep who will (likely) roll over without fighting this. Boycott? No fucking way.

 

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it is most likely another way
of a small group of people making huge profits off the small guys/gals
using the standover tactics of "the big system"/police prosecution/lawsuits
to make money when they have no talent to make it like the artists already have

and if the software you mention is correct then it is a form of justice in return how the program designers will be able use the laws that the riaa are developing to make huge money by selling the viewer software to the riaa

amazing how personal privacey of the small person is always targeted to make profit while the moral issue of legal equality is challeneged to finnacial bias for those who can afford the largest forms of corruption

where will all the money go that the riaa is trying to generate
its not there at the moment
so how many familys will be thrown out on the street so a few can upgrade their holiday home?

im sure the already rich lawyers will make a large portion and then the highly paid riaa people and then they will piss out some spare change to a few already well off artists and use it as an excuse to stir the pot into a frenzzy of law suits
while interviewing strugling artists and suggesting they too could be rich if they voted for the riaa new record label

i gues that is what they want to be the american way
ensuring all are born victims
if they shifted their structure they could employ over paid welfare staff to upgrade the standard of living without having to create more profit and growth in the court systems
ohh how they love their courtroom dramas

groove on all

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What I heard about ES5, is that it is tested but the interface is hard to understand as they use other names on things than the wellknowns.

WASTE was on the "market" for only one day. Then it was taken offline again by TimeWarner, as that is the parent company.

Here's one link on ES5.

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/6789

And yes, it will be moved to Nerd Culture...

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Added this:

ES5 #1 goal is to protect its users from intrusions to their privacy by providing encrypted traffic, random ports and IP anonymity:

One Click Proxy Server - Users can send connection requests through intermediary proxy servers located throughout the world so that the download destination of a file cannot be traced by any entity whatsoever. There is nothing for the user to set-up, just right click to enable the proxy server.

SSL - Prevents monitoring of a user’s uploading or downloading activity. Users can automatically deploy SSL by right clicking.

UDP - Using UDP makes it impossible to reliably scan a users computer to determine if ES5 is running. Also, unlike TCP connections, UDP traffic can not be easily blocked by ISPs.

ES5 Security Key - ES5 utilizes a standard HTTP server to transmit files, but deploys a special "security key" so than only ES5 users can access your shared files.

IP addresses - ES5 does not display user IP Address information

Dynamic ports - Each ES5 node uses a randomly chosen port (unless the user chooses a specific port themselves). Therefore, ISPs will be unable to identify file-sharing traffic based upon port numbers and unable to throttle back the users bandwidth.

User defined port settings - ES5 provides users with “one-click” port setting options for ES5 to use port 53 (the port used by DNS) or port 37 (the port used by time service) therefore rendering all blocking attempts hopeless.

Multiple points of entry - ES5 uses multiple methods for connecting to the ES5 network including IP Multicast, Usenet Articles, Web Sites, Node List Files and a several other undisclosed methods.

Penetrating Firewalls - UDP allows seamless penetration of firewalls without inconvenient setting of firewall parameters. For users behind firewalls, ES5 uses UDP to request a PUSH, where the behind-the-firewall computer initiates the connection back to the requested user’s computer.

PGPDisk - As an additional security feature, to all P2P programs, is that ES5 integrates seamlessly with PGPDisk (which is a free program and will be provided by ES5 to its users) that lets you encrypt your disk drives to store your P2P content. No one except you will ever be able to see your files, not your kids, your spouse, your mother, your boss, the FBI, the KGB or anyone else!

 

Wow, sounds fun!

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Not even FBI?

I'm sure they could if they REALLY wanted to, Banshee.

They'd confiscate it, sit with it for 1000's of hours and figure it out. They're that sick.

And whoever heard of encryption and security that couldn't be cracked??? The thing is, can the RIAA (I know they have the WILL) produce automated spiders that crack through them and throw out subpeonas?

And damn you for moving this to Nerd Culture. May you be plagued by all of the plagues of Egypt, and also the three I tacked on. I HATE you! No one EVER comes to Nerd Culture!!!!!

 

haha! This is what I was waiting for. they are using SSL encryption to mask the ID's of the individuals. That means that if the RIAA wants to know who it is, they have to break the encryption, which mean VIOLATING THE DMCA!!!! So either the RIAA has to give up, grow up, and form a new buisness model, or the DMCA law has to be overturned. sweet! The consumer wins either way, now.

Everyone, support these guys! (the coders of this p2p application, that is)

 

What????

Don't tell me we've GOT the riaa for sure? There's gotta be a catch.

 

Don't worry guy, the RIAA will only sue you if you have horrible taste in music.

 

Waste is still VERY much alive and well. It wouldn't matter if the source was only posted for 10 minutes. Enough of us got it that it's EVERYWHERE. I run it, everyone I know runs it, we all run 4096 bit keys too. I DON'T think that will be cracked anytime soon. And we're sure there's nothing hiding inside the code. We have it all. The copy I run was compiled by me. We're working on writing a linux GUI ontop of the source for a full fledged Linux version. There are even forks of the code, there is one called Wasted. They added some stuff...not sure its a big difference. If you want more information you can check out this page. http://grazzy.mjoelkbar.net/waste/ or this page on Sourceforge http://waste.sourceforge.net/.

-AntonK

 

Kewl.

So which is better, Earthstation or WASTE?

 

WASTE requires a key for entry. Without it, you will not connect. The key is generated at the request of the owner and is unique to each key.

I have not yet set up a WASTE hub as DC is still relatively safe. Because of the private hubs, the many seperate hubs, ect. RIAA has been at loath to start when there are so many easier targets like Kazza and Glockster.

WASTE will also hide the size of the file being transferred and it will be larger than what it is to the ISP's view. Encryption breaking is something that the RIAA can not legally do. That is why at present they are successful, because the files being shared are open to all comers and needs no processing to be viewed.

 

So, wet1, with WASTE or stuff like that, what if the RIAA secretly signed up for it?

Would WASTE users be able to find other WASTErs' IP addresses, or their identity?