Dear All,

The situation here is unimaginable. We are totally unprepared for what is becoming worse by the minute. Hundreds of thousands of people are showing up in Baton Rouge -- no end in sight. New Orleans has been entirely looted and the violence is moving our way. Riot at the local Walmart here in BR last night.

The courthouse here in BR was just evacuated of all personnel for fear of violence. 30,000 military are on the way. New born babies, new moms and expecting moms showing up here at St. Luke's, being life-flighted here. No room at area hospitals.

There are 500 buses gearing up to leave the Super Dome in N.O., seventy five have left thus far. Not telling the people where they are going. Last night a caravan of these buses were abandoned by their drivers on the side of the road. The people were left to sit there. We have folks showing up around the clock with no clothes, no water, nothing. Many traumatized from seeing bodies floating in the water.

A young couple from arrived here for Mass last night from Mississippi in nervous breakdown condition from what they witnessed. As for the Kramers, we have two days worth of clothes and are quite sure our house is gone with most of what we own on the first floor -- now under water. We also believe the church has taken on water. Not sure what we will return to and the authorities are saying it could be four months before allowed back in. They will have to rebuild the entire power grid once the water is drained from the City.

I have three indigent individuals and a family of three with a teenage daughter in tow, all staying here temporarily at St. Luke's. I'd like to get Stacy and the kids to Texas but we don't know if the roads are open and safe.

Folks have offered to help and we are desperate. There are national relief funds coming in but we are doing immediate triage and short of cash. We will (eventually) be reimbursed but that could be a while. Need to buy essential supplies plus find temporary housing all around the country for the displaced.

The address here is: St. Luke's Episcopal Church, Attn: Hurricane Relief Fund, 8833 Goodwood Blvd., Baton Rouge, LA 70806. A friend has offered to purchase a cell phone with a Baton Rouge prefix: no 504 numbers are working. We could use a satellite phone, which is about $700.

If people can eventually get supplies directly to us here in Baton Rouge (please, make no plans to get into N.O. for a long while if you are thinking along those lines, they are still evacuating the City and the violence is out of control), we need the following: diapers, depends, sanitary products, toothbrushes and toothpaste. All of these items have run out in Baton Rouge. Please keep us in your prayers. Tomorrow we hope to have a Pay Pal link for relief set up on St. Luke's website, but nothing is coming easy right now.

Blessings,

--The Rev'd Jerry and Stacy Kramer, Church of the Annunciation in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Yoink.

Floomp.

Kinda old news, isn't it?

lol

This guy thinks there will be a civil war in the States, specifically an ETHNIC war. Download 2.3MB pdf file CWII (Civil War II) here.

http://marge.timebomb2000.com/misc/

It is definitely worth a read.

This guy thinks there will be a civil war in the States, specifically an ETHNIC war. Download 2.3MB pdf file CWII (Civil War II) here.

http://marge.timebomb2000.com/misc/

It is definitely worth a read.

Interesting, but unlikely.

And Sudoko and the Klanners think they will win a race war!? A handful of neo Nazis vs the rest of America: I'd love nothing more than a reason to hunt the fascists down one by one. Bring on the War Against Fascists!

Wow Sam, you're a quick reader. Took me way longer to read it and I read non-stop.

Wow Sam, you're a quick reader. Took me way longer to read it and I read non-stop.

I just skimmed the first few pages of every section. :p

And Sudoko and the Klanners think they will win a race war!? A handful of neo Nazis vs the rest of America: I'd love nothing more than a reason to hunt the fascists down one by one. Bring on the War Against Fascists!

The race war will be against all white people, even queer minority loving commies like you. You my friend will be SOL as everyone will be out to kill you, especially whites.

Ha! Only you and the Nation of Islam lust to hunt and murder gays. YOU have the longest list of enemies, not me. Do you think I'd be wearing a pink sweater on Race War Day?:p Many, many more Americans hate klanners. I'll be hunting with all races to cleanse our nation of white supremacists. You've never had any power and you never will. You should hope there isn't a race war. Your side would pay the highest price of all, thank God.

Ha! Only you and the Nation of Islam lust to hunt and murder gays. YOU have the longest list of enemies, not me. Do you think I'd be wearing a pink sweater on Race War Day?:p Many, many more Americans hate klanners. I'll be hunting with all races to cleanse our nation of white supremacists. You've never had any power and you never will. You should hope there isn't a race war. Your side would pay the highest price of all, thank God.

In case you didn't get the message, the KKK has nothing to do with it. When there's enough minorities in the country, the country will go Yugoslavia and anyone not living in their own racial area will have a real bad day. Commie whites that have allowed this to happen (like you) are not going to be welcome anywhere.

The early stages of a civil war has begun already in California. Hispanics are ethnically cleansing areas of blacks.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2036580,00.html

Gang mayhem grips LA

A bloody conflict between Hispanic and black gangs is spreading across Los Angeles. Hundreds are dying as whole districts face the threat of ethnic cleansing. Paul Harris reports from the epicentre of America's new urban warfare

Sunday March 18, 2007

The Observer

Father Greg Boyle keeps a grim count of the young gang members he has buried. Number 151 was Jonathan Hurtado, 18 - fresh out of jail. Now the kindly, bearded Jesuit mourns him. 'The day he got out I found him a job. He never missed a day. He was doing really well,' Boyle says.

But Hurtado made a mistake: he went back to his old neighbourhood in east Los Angeles. While sitting in a park, Hurtado was approached by a man on a bike who said to him: 'Hey, homie, what's up?' He then shot Hurtado four times. 'You can't come back. Not even for a visit,' says Boyle, who has worked for two decades against LA's gang culture.

Boyle's Los Angeles, where daily slaughter is a grim reality, is a world away from the glamorous Hollywood hills, Malibu beaches and Sunset Strip - the celebrity-drenched city that David Beckham and Posh Spice will soon make their home.

Boyle's Los Angeles is where an estimated 120,000 gang members across five counties battle over turf, pride and drugs. It is a city of violence as a new race war escalates between new Hispanic gangs and older black groups, each trying to ethnically cleanse the other. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who has referred to his city as 'the gang capital of America', has launched a crackdown on the new threat.

The latest front is the tiny strip of turf known as Harbor Gateway, a nest of streets between malls and office blocks. It was here, just before Christmas, that Cheryl Green, a 14-year-old fond of junk food and television, died. At school she had just written a poem beginning: 'I am black and beautiful. I wonder how I shall live in the future.' She never found out. As she stood on a corner talking with friends, two Hispanic members of the neighbourhood's notorious 204th Street gang walked up and opened fire, killing Green and wounding three others. They were targeted because they were black. Traditionally the outside view of LA gangs has been of black youths like the Bloods and the Crips and their countless subsets. It focused on the streets of Compton and South-Central and the culture of gangsta rap. But Hispanic gangs are in the ascendant, spreading across America.

They have names such as Mara Salvatrucha, La Mirada Locos and Barrio Van Nuys, and now the 204th Street gang - who made it clear that they will kill innocent girls to force black families off their turf.

Last year there were 269 gang-related killings in LA. Gang-related crime leaped 15.7 per cent last year, as most other types of crime fell. Hate crimes against black people have surged. With a rapidly growing Hispanic population, LA's gang culture is shifting. It means that being black in the wrong neighbourhood can get you killed.

Green's murder was the latest in a line of killings by the 204th Street gang. In 1997, 11-year-old Marquis Wilbert was killed on his bike. In 2001, Robert Hightower, 19, was killed. In 2003, Eric Butler, 39, was shot dead trying to protect his daughter from being harassed. There are streets that blacks have been forbidden to cross.

Green's death brought the gang war between 'brown and black' to public awareness. Next week a summit will be held called the Black and Brown Strategy Meeting which aims to head off a race war. 'All of the signs are there that a racial war is going to explode in this city,' says Khalid Shah, director of Stop the Violence, one of the groups organising the meeting. Memories of the 1992 Rodney King riots, which claimed 53 lives, remain fresh, but Shah believes that worse is ahead. 'It will be 10 times bigger than what happened after King. You are looking at an event which could not only paralyse an entire city but an entire state,' he warns.

Green's death sparked Villaraigosa's crackdown. The police took the unprecedented step of publishing a list of the 11 worst gangs, including 204th Street. They vowed to go after them with police, FBI agents and injunctions to prevent members meeting. An extra 50 police were assigned to anti-gang duties in San Fernando Valley. In south LA, a team of 120 detectives and 10 FBI agents has been set up. An extra 18 officers have been put into Harbor Gateway. But Angelenos have seen it all before. The city's history is littered with anti-gang initiatives, and what the new effort shows is just how widespread the gangs have become. They have spread into the San Fernando Valley, an area previously famed for suburban prosperity. Last year one area of the north Valley saw a 160 per cent rise in gang crime.

Publishing the 'hit list' could backfire. In the warped gang sub-culture, being on the list is a badge of pride. The lesson of the 204th Street gang seems apt. They number only a few dozen members in a tiny strip of city that was open fields half a century ago, but killing blacks has propelled them from obscurity to enviable notoriety.

'Putting out a list was a bad idea. Groups that don't make the list will want to be on it. They don't exactly think rationally,' said Alex Alonso, a gang historian who has testified in more than 100 court cases.

Yet there is hope. Alfonso 'Chino' Visuet, 23, was sucked into the gang life as a teenager. There was the lure of excitement and riches, the push of a difficult home life. 'People who join a gang are always running away from something. They flee to the gang,' Visuet says.

Visuet is not running any more. He works for Father Boyle's Homeboy Industries (homeboy-industries.org), a project that helps people leave gang life. It provides jobs, an education, pays to have gang tattoos removed and gives counselling. It aims to remove the circumstances that lead to crime: poverty, abuse and unemployment. It is staffed almost entirely by former gang members and has spun off a bakery, a silk-screen printers and a restaurant. 'You have to address the lethal absence of hope. I have never seen a hopeful person join a gang,' Boyle says.

It worked for Visuet. He starts college this autumn and wants to be a probation officer. 'I was on the edge of doing something that would ruin my life, either by doing violence or having it done to me. That's over now,' he says.

For the moment it is organisations like Homeboy Industries that pick up the slack. Father Boyle has a catchphrase: 'Nothing stops a bullet like a job.' But that can be a hard message to get across in a city whose political classes see gangs as primarily a police issue. That is not the way it is on the street.

Visuet despairs at the conflict. 'A brown gang member now just sees a black gang member. What they don't see is how that person comes from the same place they do. They might have a mother who is an alcoholic as well or a father who beats on them. They have the same story,' he says.

Boyle and others have mixed feelings about the crackdown. The road to LA's problems is littered with failed plans and policing, and incompetence. Over the past decade the main anti-gang scheme, LA Bridges, has spent more than $100m yet keeps no record of whether those it helps leave gang life or return to it.

Then there is political scheming. The list of 11 gangs, critics say, was drawn up deliberately to present a 'balance' by covering the whole city. Politicians use the presence of a high-profile gang to act tough on law and order and police chiefs use it as a way of upping manpower. 'It is a ridiculous list,' says Alonso.

LA is a city of two worlds - Hollywood and gangs. On a two-lane highway that roars through the middle of Harbor Gateway, a few hundred yards from where Cheryl Green was gunned down, there is a billboard for a new TV show called Sons of Hollywood. It shows three rich young men against a backdrop of palm trees. It claims to be a 'reality' show, but for most of the impoverished, racially torn citizens it is nothing more than a fantasy.

CESSPOOL:bravo:

OK gang members are killing each other. Am I supposed to feel bad about that?

Here are some reviews of the book on Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-II-Breakup-America/dp/0929408179/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0847468-6892759?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175052865&sr=8-1

OK gang members are killing each other. Am I supposed to feel bad about that?

If you read carefully, it is not just gang members killing each other. A 14 year old black girl was killed and three others injured intentionally by two Latino gang member recently as a means of "motivating" other blacks to leave.

"The latest front is the tiny strip of turf known as Harbor Gateway, a nest of streets between malls and office blocks. It was here, just before Christmas, that Cheryl Green, a 14-year-old fond of junk food and television, died. At school she had just written a poem beginning: 'I am black and beautiful. I wonder how I shall live in the future.' She never found out. As she stood on a corner talking with friends, two Hispanic members of the neighbourhood's notorious 204th Street gang walked up and opened fire, killing Green and wounding three others. They were targeted because they were black."

Oh, and these sort of incidents were predicted by Chittum (author of Civil War II).

They have to kill someone just to get in the gang.

OK gang members are killing each other. Am I supposed to feel bad about that?Sudoku is concerned for the poor Blacks in LA being bullied by MEXICANS!:eek: :shh:

He's a humanitarian.

They have to kill someone just to get in the gang.

There is constant aggression against blacks by Latinos to get them to leave. Just like blacks did against whites.

But the LA gang wars are on a relatively small scale. There's hardly a danger of genocide.

But the LA gang wars are on a relatively small scale. There's hardly a danger of genocide.

It's not genocide, it's ethnic cleansing. There is potential for major racial violence in L.A. right now.

Gang warfare isn't ethnic cleansing.

Gang warfare isn't ethnic cleansing.

It's not just gang warfare unless you consider 14 year old girls gang members.

It's not genocide, it's ethnic cleansing. There is potential for major racial violence in L.A. right now.

yeah, its so bad that i drove through Watts in a brand new SUV with 4 white friends, and nothing happened to us.

ethic cleansing indeed.
:crazy: :shrug:

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Oh please, it's your people who are responsible for meddling in other countries and cultures too. Stupidly playing innocent when you're not.

The erroneous slant of the rabbi rant of euro-civility is fake ego stroking. I've been around whites all my life and they are not anymore civil than other cultures or people.

If whites want to close their borders i think that's fine. Continued trading of resources and ideas is usually beneficial for everyone and the world. Whatever squabbles and petty viewpoints abound, it's obvious that evolution has a different agenda. That agenda is to elevate humankind completely. It takes the donations of everyone and that everyone counts. Their is always someone who can add to, build on or improve existing structures for the benefit and enrichment of the world. Everyone has a right to conserve their culture but to piss on others while doing it is wrong.

I KNOW for a fact that it is diversity in the world that makes it a beautiful place. It would be very boring if everything, everyone and every culture was the same. To discount the complexity and beauty of other cultures is wrong, nasty, and degenerate. Maybe it's whites who need to look in the mirror at themselves as well. People are not more civilized or worthy because they live in a condo anymore than dressing up a sow's ear as a silk purse makes it a silk purse. There is technology but we are all still beasts and most nasty beasts. To not recognize this is to fool yourself as in the emperor has no clothes.

Hey dummy, i don't know where you get the self-flattering idea everyone is wanting to be white or antiwhite.

Where did I say everyone wants to be white?

You've created a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is YOUR race who is into assimilation, not multiculturism.

I'm not interested in assimilating anyone.

Hey asshole, close your fuking borders BUT THEN STAY THE FUK OUT OF OTHER BORDERS.

Sounds good to me.

If you want to preserve your race then you should not complain when you let others in because they are a human being who is looking for opportunities and a better life.

Get your shit straight first.

Ding dong, I don't want to let others in, but my traiterous government does.

It's pathetic that these racial problems are incited by white people mostly. They have most trouble with african americans and latinos it seems. Yet they brought over the africans which are now a hybrid and they like the latinos to do lower class jobs. If they are acting out, they are just acting like the typical western obnoxious jerk because the mantra "america is number one, they rule the world ad nauseum. In short, they are picking up and waving the flag of american ego.

It seems even with the ethnic clashes, whites are also not evolved enough yet to know how to get along with others yet keep their identity and culture while respecting others. It actually can be done but only by people who have the right attitude and understanding. This can't be said or expected of whole groups of people but there are people who can and do have a more realistic approach and mindframe. It's called common ground based on humanity's objective.

Unfortunately humanity has yet to evolve to resemble a star trek episode where different races and peoples respect eachothers cultures, identities etc but still manage to share and find common ground or goals as well. The differences can actually be sources of strength. I think for those who have traveled with an open mind can attest you find parts of yourself wherever you go. Real life is not one-dimensional or from one point of view.

Some people just can't dance without stepping on others toes and vice versa.

It's pathetic that these racial problems are incited by white people mostly.

Are you fucking kidding? What problems? Crime?, Poverty?

They have most trouble with african americans and latinos it seems.

It's not white people turning L.A. into a warzone.

Yet they brought over the africans which are now a hybrid and they like the latinos to do lower class jobs. If they are acting out, they are just acting like the typical western obnoxious jerk because the mantra "america is number one, they rule the world ad nauseum. In short, they are picking up and waving the flag of american ego.

It seems even with the ethnic clashes, whites are also not evolved enough yet to know how to get along with others yet keep their identity and culture while respecting others.

This is so idiotic. White people are the only ones that would allow huge numbers of foreigners into their countries without lynching their leaders.

It actually can be done but only by people who have the right attitude and understanding.

Sure it can be done if you're willing to bend over.

This can't be said or expected of whole groups of people but there are people who can and do have a more realistic approach and mindframe. It's called common ground based on humanity's objective.

Unfortunately humanity has yet to evolve to resemble a star trek episode where different races and peoples respect each others cultures, identities etc but still manage to share and find common ground or goals as well.

I'm glad your taking cues from a fictional science fiction show. Shows you're grounded in reality.

The differences can actually be sources of strength. I think for those who have traveled with an open mind can attest you find parts of yourself wherever you go. Real life is not one-dimensional or from one point of view.

Some people just can't dance without stepping on others toes and vice versa.

I'm not even sure what your complaint is. If large numbers of white people want complete separation from non-whites (i.e. their own country) what do you care?

Yoink.

Floomp.

lol

Flippity floppity floop!

Are you fucking kidding? What problems? Crime?, Poverty?



It's not white people turning L.A. into a warzone.



This is so idiotic. White people are the only ones that would allow huge numbers of foreigners into their countries without lynching their leaders.



Sure it can be done if you're willing to bend over.



I'm glad your taking cues from a fictional science fiction show. Shows you're grounded in reality.



I'm not even sure what your complaint is. If large numbers of white people want complete separation from non-whites (i.e. their own country) what do you care?

If you were say british lamenting the influx of immigrants to your country i would understand.

but america is fair game in my opinion. it is an IMMIGRANT country.

i'm the one grounded in reality not you. It was your people who brought millions of africans as slaves, they ARE now a hyrid and they are your responsibility. It's just the fact.

If you want to be in an allwhite country, why don't you go back to europe. Maybe you can't? Then ask yourself why in a country that is democratic with the right to vote, with whites still outnumbering others you blame the government? Are you sure it's the government or differing opinion? I'm curious myself.

If you were say british lamenting the influx of immigrants to your country i would understand.

but america is fair game in my opinion. it is an IMMIGRANT country.

i'm the one grounded in reality not you. It was your people who brought millions of africans as slaves, they ARE now a hyrid and they are your responsibility. It's just the fact.

If you want to be in an all white country, why don't you go back to europe. Maybe you can't? Then ask yourself why in a country that is democratic with the right to vote, with whites still outnumbering others you blame the government? Are you sure it's the government or differing opinion? I'm curious myself.

You seem to be under the delusion that we live in a real democracy instead of a two party system (one party system) where both sides refuse to do what the majority wants. Take illegal immigration in the States. A huge majority of the population is against it yet nothing changes.