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View Full Version : WAR ? or just plain killin?
OliverJ 04-11-06, 07:02 PM 1998-2006: Second Congo War
Civil war 1998-2002, est. 4 million deaths; war "sucked in" Rwanda, Uganda, Angola, Zimbabwe and Namibia, as well as 17,000 United Nations peacekeepers, its "largest and most costly" peace mission and "the bloodiest conflict since the end of the Second World War."
Fighting involves Mai-Mai militia and Congolese government soldiers. The Government originally armed the Mai-Mai as civil defence against external invaders, who then turned to banditry.
100,000 refugees living in remote disease ridden areas to avoid both sides
Estimated 1000 deaths a day according to Oxfam:
"The army attacks the local population as it passes through, often raping and pillaging like the militias. Those who resist are branded Mai-mai supporters and face detention or death. The Mai-mai accuse the villagers of collaborating with the army, they return to the villages at night and extract revenge. Sometimes they march the villagers into the bush to work as human mules."
And Brian Foley is no where to be found. Nothing to say. Not a peep.
None of you liberals.
vincent28uk 04-11-06, 10:24 PM 1998-2006: Second Congo War
Civil war 1998-2002, est. 4 million deaths; war "sucked in" Rwanda, Uganda, Angola, Zimbabwe and Namibia, as well as 17,000 United Nations peacekeepers, its "largest and most costly" peace mission and "the bloodiest conflict since the end of the Second World War."
Fighting involves Mai-Mai militia and Congolese government soldiers. The Government originally armed the Mai-Mai as civil defence against external invaders, who then turned to banditry.
100,000 refugees living in remote disease ridden areas to avoid both sides
Estimated 1000 deaths a day according to Oxfam:
"The army attacks the local population as it passes through, often raping and pillaging like the militias. Those who resist are branded Mai-mai supporters and face detention or death. The Mai-mai accuse the villagers of collaborating with the army, they return to the villages at night and extract revenge. Sometimes they march the villagers into the bush to work as human mules."
And Brian Foley is no where to be found. Nothing to say. Not a peep.
None of you liberals.
There more concerned about america torturing terroist in romania, than 4 million deaths, a terroists well being & his rights must always be catered for.
Its funny 47 dead in another bomb carnage in pakistan today, whats the excuse there, after all this is not iraq, no foreign soldiers there, so whats there justification there, other than being addicted to blowing up anything that moves.
What alot of people here dont understand is, that terroists dont need justification for bombings, sept 11 they had none, funny how people who claim to be very religous, spend most of there days blowing eachother up in there mosques, & when they get bored with that, its time to attack westerners again.
Clockwood 04-11-06, 11:57 PM Damn, I hate it when Vincent has a point or two secreted away in his posts.
Agreeing with him just makes me feel dirty.
Yes, the wars in Africa are bad, and we're supporting it through arms deals. This is why nobody does anything real to stop them. Heck, the whole world supplies those guys with arms.
However, any American can tell you that a conflict that involves our troops takes precedent over someone else's war. And hell, nothing is being done to change the situation about the Iraq war so what makes ya think anything can be done to help the people of Congo?
In the end, no matter how hard someone may bitch and complain, nothings gonna get done unless people get up off their asses and into the streets, locked and loaded.
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Brian Foley 04-12-06, 02:40 AM And Brian Foley is no where to be found. Nothing to say. Not a peep.
None of you liberals.
Ahhhh perhaps the reason I and others couldnt address it was because the war ended in April 2003.
DR Congo peace deal signed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2909189.stm)
Representatives of the government and rebels in the Democratic Republic of Congo have signed a deal intended to end almost five years of war.
But here is the real killer of Africans .
Africa Needs Debt Cancellation, Not More IMF Programs (http://www.50years.org/factsheets/africa.html)
Sub-Saharan Africa, so rich in human and natural resources, remains the economically poorest region of the world. Half of its people live in poverty, and in many countries economic conditions have been getting worse for the last 20 years or more.
The greatest barrier to economic recovery is the region's overwhelming debt burden, which amounts to about $230 billion ($203 billion if South Africa, with its anomalous history, is not included). Thirty-three of the region's 44 countries are designated heavily indebted poor countries by the World Bank; most of the rest nearly qualify for that ranking. Creditors -- chiefly the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank -- impose harsh conditions, and investors shy away from countries with unsustainable debts.
The real terror network is in the West .
Brian Foley 04-12-06, 02:45 AM And now back to today , why arent all the rightwingers concerned about this ? Why not a peep out of them over this , a war they supported !
Iraq After 3 Years of U.S. 'Democracy' Iraqis are dying by the hundreds every week (http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m22455&hd=0&size=1&l=e)
Despite promises of democracy and safety, Iraq remains gripped by civil strife, death and terror three years after the American-led invasion of the country. A nation that was once united is now disintegrating. Security in Iraq under the occupation no longer exists. Going out to buy a newspaper could cost you your life. People are being killed as they are filling up their cars at petrol stations or as they simply shop for necessities.
OliverJ 04-12-06, 06:34 AM Dying by the hundreds each week. Why yes they are. By their own hand.
Pay attention.
Hey and if you say the killing has stopped in the Congo then it MUST be true.
But here is the real killer of Africans .
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Africa Needs Debt Cancellation, Not More IMF Programs
Sub-Saharan Africa, so rich in human and natural resources, remains the economically poorest region of the world. Half of its people live in poverty, and in many countries economic conditions have been getting worse for the last 20 years or more.
The greatest barrier to economic recovery is the region's overwhelming debt burden, which amounts to about $230 billion ($203 billion if South Africa, with its anomalous history, is not included). Thirty-three of the region's 44 countries are designated heavily indebted poor countries by the World Bank; most of the rest nearly qualify for that ranking. Creditors -- chiefly the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank -- impose harsh conditions, and investors shy away from countries with unsustainable debts.
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The real terror network is in the West .
Exactly. And that's how we also keep tabs on South America. We put all those smaller countries into such a massive debt that they have no chance to crawl out of their hole and develop. We can't have more competition in this world now, can we?
This is one of the reasons for attacking Iraq and now Iran. We don't want another Arab Empire, or any new Empire to exist that can compete with us. That's basic Common Sense, How-To-Run-A-Country, and Economics 101 right there.
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Mrhero54 04-13-06, 04:14 AM :bugeye: 1998-2006: Second Congo War
Civil war 1998-2002, est. 4 million deaths; war "sucked in" Rwanda, Uganda, Angola, Zimbabwe and Namibia, as well as 17,000 United Nations peacekeepers, its "largest and most costly" peace mission and "the bloodiest conflict since the end of the Second World War."
Fighting involves Mai-Mai militia and Congolese government soldiers. The Government originally armed the Mai-Mai as civil defence against external invaders, who then turned to banditry.
100,000 refugees living in remote disease ridden areas to avoid both sides
Estimated 1000 deaths a day according to Oxfam:
"The army attacks the local population as it passes through, often raping and pillaging like the militias. Those who resist are branded Mai-mai supporters and face detention or death. The Mai-mai accuse the villagers of collaborating with the army, they return to the villages at night and extract revenge. Sometimes they march the villagers into the bush to work as human mules."
And Brian Foley is no where to be found. Nothing to say. Not a peep.
None of you liberals.
American troops must die to eliminate the "threat" of Saddam, but a thousand deaths a day in Africa warrant no such action...
makes sense to me :bugeye:
JESUS fkin christ...the horror we are all talkin about. wordsin text. thehorror the real horror. IFyou felt deeply about this, this has GOT TO have a completely radical effect on you. GOT to!!! otherwise it's just words. thers no connection.
Its got to make you look MUCh MCUH MUCH deeper than i sense the general looking here is.
OliverJ 04-13-06, 06:53 AM Exactly Duendy.
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