Views on Israel

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In an ideal world, democracy would not be a "nuanced" concept which embraced racism, native dispossession, religious entitlement and segregation based on race/religion.

 

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Uh I voted on "I have a much more nuanced view than this poll allows for, and I'll express it in the thread. " but it disappeared!

And now it won't allow me to vote and insists I stated "I do not wish to state my opinion on these matters."

Are you voting for me James?

edit: eh, it shows me that I voted for "I do not wish to state my opinion on these matters." and "Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 1. You have already voted on this poll"

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but its not counting my vote

I assume you modified the poll while I was voting.

 

1. The poll should not be anonymous so we can check that our votes say what we want them to. The poll result has changed twice in the last 15 minutes and I am the only one to have voted so far

2. My views on Israel are also my views on democracy. I see no reason to separate the two.

 

my answer is based on the definition of the word "people" which i took to mean a nationality or ethnicity. it is my belief that jewishness is solely a religion.( and before I am labeled an anti semite I do in fact have an argument that seems to be logically consistent)

 

Well since the poll has been modified again, I'm just going to leave it be.

To my mind its very clear. The choice is between this:

and this:

I think option B is undemocratic and against the universal belief in equal rights and equal opportunities. I support a world where everyone has equal rights and equal opportunities

So I oppose all "nuanced democracies" opposed to equality of civil rights for all.

 

Jordon should annex Palestine into itself as another part of it.

 

Whoa, a 26 YO American poster on sciforums who lives in the state Georgia who is not of Palestinian or Israeli descent voted that Israel should never have been created and dreams for Israel to be wiped off the map and all its land to be distributed to Palestinians all at once?

Does this person dream of a future genocide being committed? *aghast*

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I believe he is saying you would be interested in SAM's answer's




also a one state solution is possible it just requires a hell of a lot of work that most people aren't interested in doing. most people want a quick easy end damn morality, the law, and justice just end it.

 

No I don't. it can be done peacefully with work.are you familiar with the phrase the right thing to do is never easy?



and your neither Israelis and palestinain and you voted. and I viewed the land question as a more politiical one than an individual ownership own though I do believe that where it can be shown the jewish purchase of land was not purchased by a bona fide purchaser that the land should be returned to the palestinian owners

 

So your solution to the problem is to pretend a legal right just doesn't exist???

your solution is basicly to erase a people connection to their land???


your solution is to basicly transfer the conflict to another people?



to find a solution there are three components what is moral what is legal and what is feasible at best your solution is one and I have strong doubts to its feasiblity though I sure Israel would love it as it washes their hands clean and allows history to forget their crimes

 

I'm not trying to "erase" anyone. All I'm suggesting is that to resolve this matter another way to go is through being annexed into another country, that's all. They still can be who they are and practice their ways of living and even have their own state within Jordon perhaps with their own leaders governing them to an extent but Jordon could be there to help them with work, money and supplies to insure that the way they want to live will always be protected. It is only a different way that I thought this matter could POSSIBLY be resolved.

 

lets get one thing out of the way which fundementally effects the conversation we are going to have what do you mean by annexation.

do you mean Jordan unilaterally annexing the remaining palestinian terriotries?


or do you mean the palestinians going we want to be a part jordan and working with the jordanians for how they want to adminster it

 

If Jordon would allow the Palestinian people to have their lands brought into the country of Jordon then that area would be a state within Jordon headed up by an elected governor by the people residing there. They would be controlled by those who run Jordon and have to abide by Jordon laws but could still have their lifestyles as they existed before annexation. I'm only suggesting that this is just another way to look at a solution to the problem and not trying to do away with the Palestinian people whatsoever but only give them a place within another country to live in peace and work for themselves to a certain degree. I understand that they would want a country of their own but it seems that over the years this goal has not been accomplished so as an alternative I'm only trying to come up with another way to help the situation have a amicable way of resolution. I hope this helps you in understanding what I have said.

 

ok I think I get what your saying and it doesn't seem like it has any flaws. looks solid to me. looks like a quid pro quo solution.