Personaly this is some of the most interesting footage I have seen in some time.
Where else to share it than good ol Sci-forums.
I suggest watching these when you have some time.
Aprox 3 hours in total.

Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5070476612863849446&q=Nasa+smoking+gun

Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8524267568796529301

Enjoy, and I hope you appreciate and enjoy this footage as much as I did.

Peace :)


Since this is my thread I want to put what I think is some of the most important footage on this subject all in one place.

"Out of the Blue"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5594744703753734741&q=out+of+the+blue

The "Disclosure Project".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218&q=disclosure+project

Added August 11th 2006
"Smoking Gun NASA Footage"....Martyn Stubbs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2993802767166351279&q=smoking+gun
Any discussion welcome....... :)

Just skmimmed the last of those videos;
wow, a succession of talking heads and no hard evidence. Even the ex-skunk works guy doesn't know what he's talking about when discussing stuff he claims to have worked on. A guy who says he worked on SR-71 and its predecessors gets basic facts wrong, hardly credible.
I was immediately put off by the actor misquoting Shakespeare - it sort of speaks volumes for the integrity of overall research.
So Greer has over 400 "witnesses"? From the entire US military-industrial complex. What's that as a percentage? Negligible.

After just watching it i'm not going to dignify this with a response. Its all bullcrap

lol

There are alot of videos which pollute the UFO field by claiming the aliens are here while using real footage of topsecret flying machines, its just too bad.

Thanks for the interest and responses.
Keep em comin.
Preferably from those who watched the entire first 2 videos, but all are of course welcome.

Yawn... this video goes on a bit, however I'm sure you'll read this as a debunking statement, quite frankly the "evidence" that is supposedly collected really does lack any forms of indepth analysis, it's just "Assumed" to be the way the guy preposes it to be.

Firstly it opens with Terra Entertainment's screen to identify that it's a video made for "Entertainment" funnily enough.

It then breaks down into lecture about objects in space, however it lacks certain evidence finding. Like for instance footage should be timestamped and dated which can then be used to identify satellite orbit paths and altitudes.

An explaination on frequency and mathematic examples to express the possibilities of high speed travel lacks certain depth, for instance he talks of a spectrum of waveformations and assumes the viewer knows the correlation of a waveform with a photon.

I liked the bit where he's discussing "waterballs", why not ask an astronaut "When you go for a whizz in space, do you bring it home in a doggy bag or eject it?".

Later on the guy starts going on about "Secret Space Programs", well for years there was alot of controversy over the "Star Wars program". Which although secret, was not so secret, yet not one mention.

There is then a point where he speculates about Nuclear powered craft, and suggests there must be nuclear powered systems in far advance of what you see in todays craft. However he doesn't analyse already known nuclear powered craft like Submarines or look at the nature of nuclear powers coolant systems, which is why sub's are powered that way (as they tend to be surrounded by water ) and to my knowledge other craft aren't.

Anyhow these are my observations, although it's actually pretty difficult to watch it, perhaps I have an attention disorder or perhaps it's hard to be attentive of something thats so full of.... Spacemansteve's quote "Bullcrap".

None the less don't let my post spoil watching, or attempting to watch the video, just settle down to it with some popcorn, so you have something to flick at your PC screen when you become disgruntled.

Ya, I stopped after the word yawn:)
Thanks though.

Well, you can have my notes for the second piece, thats bound to attract your attention . (okay thats sarcasm)

The only thing worth mentioning there was the piece on Hutchison's effect, but thats only because thats actually science as apposed to all this dogon-Sirius fishy dogmen is just too much BS.


I would state that the video in its full 2 parts should have the words "NO REFUNDS" placed upon it, because once you are robbed of three hours of your life, you should at least be told you can't reclaim them.

Actually I feel the same should be mentioned at the begining of most of your posts ;)
Ya, the fish/man thing was the only part that threw me off, however I remain pragmatic and am neither here nor there on the subject.

I'll have to look more into the Hutchinsons effect.
Thanks

Well funny enough Moementum7, my attention span for reading posts in the forums has somewhat depleted over the years. It's probably the number of the same repetative mental divergants that frequent the forums outputting the same rhetoric.

I tried to be fair with these people, allowed them to voice their thoughts and well some of them took advantage of that fact all to often, exploiting it with ludicrous claims just because they liked winding all the people in the forums up. In certain respect their high jinx has soured the milk for all those that might have witnessed something or might have concluded something different.

Admittedly my own personal experiences have undermined most of the claims that people make here, my understanding of whats going on is far different and I frankly don't need to explain what I know or see here.

Thats one of the most balanced comments I think I have ever seen from you.
I absolutely understand what you are saying.
Some of the regulars here do indeed begin to get emotionaly carried away.
It seems that many on here, pro and anti ufo believers are more interested in being heard and convincing others that they are right and that the others are wrong, instead of an open and ongoing line of "pragmatic" communication on the subject.

I now feel like were communicating to some extent.
The parts I found most interesting on the first two videos was the footage of the satelite and the 12 mile long tether.
Showing the objects undisbutably moving begind the tether, giving there approximate size.
As well as the object that makes a right angle turn at an incredibly high velocity.

Not trying to convince you of anything Stryder, just sharing what I found interesting.

No, you don't have to explain anything, I can respect that.
I do remember some of your posts explaining your thoughts on what might be considered some serious issues.

You have to admit, the human perspective is incredibly diverse.

Thanks for sharing.

There are alot of videos which pollute the UFO field by claiming the aliens are here while using real footage of topsecret flying machines, its just too bad.
What methods or observations have you developed to distinguish the two?
Man made craft (top secret) from actual alien craft?
As I also believe that theres a very high probability that man has also been able to develop very advanced craft.

After just watching it i'm not going to dignify this with a response. Its all bullcrap

lol
Thanks for not wasting too much space.
And your right, it's all bullcrap.

Just skmimmed the last of those videos;
wow, a succession of talking heads and no hard evidence. Even the ex-skunk works guy doesn't know what he's talking about when discussing stuff he claims to have worked on. A guy who says he worked on SR-71 and its predecessors gets basic facts wrong, hardly credible.
I was immediately put off by the actor misquoting Shakespeare - it sort of speaks volumes for the integrity of overall research.
So Greer has over 400 "witnesses"? From the entire US military-industrial complex. What's that as a percentage? Negligible.
Wow.
No hard evidence?
Recorded radar tracking, video, photos, very credible eye witnesses, etc.
Your just wierd.
Ya, your right, anyone associated with someone who cant do good shakespeare nowadays.....lol
Your funny.

As for the percentage of military personal, I can't beleive that you would not be able to figure out that situation for yourself unless you were already blinded by your own biases.
Think about it.
What percentage of people do you think would actually be willing to put their carreers, reputation, and social value at stake to involve themselves in the most ridiculed subject of our time?
Not many.
These are just the people who amazingly enough DID come forward.
And besides, you only need one credible witness.
But let me guess,....theres no such thing.

Ultimately i believe that there are aliens out there, i mean its hard to believe that with the Universe roughly 14 Billion years old, and 28 Billion Light Years side to side we are the only lifeforms.

My only scepticism comes at whether said Aliens are able to make the leap into faster than light travel, and open communications with earth. Ultimately i think if they were around and wanted to communcate with earth they would have done so by now, and not just the occasional person living in the country side. Alternatively if they wanted to be secretive, why do they let said people see the ships etc etc... Thats basically why i'm a skeptic. Few other reasons but i won't waste space...

I hope there are aliens out there, and one day they contact earth. I truly do

Ultimately i believe that there are aliens out there, i mean its hard to believe that with the Universe roughly 14 Billion years old, and 28 Billion Light Years side to side we are the only lifeforms.

My only scepticism comes at whether said Aliens are able to make the leap into faster than light travel, and open communications with earth. Ultimately i think if they were around and wanted to communcate with earth they would have done so by now, and not just the occasional person living in the country side. Alternatively if they wanted to be secretive, why do they let said people see the ships etc etc... Thats basically why i'm a skeptic. Few other reasons but i won't waste space...

I hope there are aliens out there, and one day they contact earth. I truly do
I have never really had a problem believing that space travel will indeed be possible, giving our technological advancements even within the last 50 years, who knows where we will be in another 1000 years.
And with your comment "i mean its hard to believe that with the Universe roughly 14 Billion years old, and 28 Billion Light Years side to side we are the only lifeforms." I can tell that you could understand that the possibility for another race to have been able to begin its technological advancement 1000 years earlier than us is relatively a blink of an eye in time scale, let alone 100,000 years in advancement which is still relatively small difference in time overall.

As for why they are interacting the way they are, good question. :confused:
I have a few thoughts on the subject but definitely nothing all encompasing.

Thanks for your intelligent reply Steve.

My take on those disc's really looked like an aura generated by a high concentration of radiology around a dust particle, at one point during the captured footage you even see the camera's "focus" change either due to someone zooming in on the tether or a thruster being fired.

The aura wouldn't go behind the tether, but if the tether was in the line of the light for the particle it might lower it's radiance making it look like it's gone behind a tether.

At one point in the video the guy also mentions about the astronaut using some "Keyword" involving "Wake", I can't remember the whole term off hand but it just involved the thrusters being fired and generating disturbance in the close dust/debris.

It's possible that the astronauts do this on occasion to identify the difference between identifiable bodies like starts which are static and the floating junk in space, as mention in the video such small movements by a shuttle in space is amplified on the camera and gives way to moving artifacts. To spot a "Ufo" in space you would have to identify that it wasn't a satellite (there are programs you can download on the internet that follow satellite paths, however they won't include classified DoD satellites built by any countries DoD), you'd have to identify that their was no X-Prize contestants doing field tests, no amatuer rocket enthusiasts test firing either, there is then High Altitude jets which again with probably be classified, On top of that there is then old decommissioned satellites that make up space debris (I bet a few old solar dishes/discs? are floating around out there), along with small bits of shuttle that occasionally fall off.

The one thing that really undermined the guys explaination about "Sirius" vistors was the fact that the Dogon's were supposedly on about a crashed craft 12,000 years ago and his conclusion that the flashing disc he see's in his video is one of those craft. I don't think any self-respecting space travelling alien is going to be seen dead floating around in "Last years model" let alone a model from 12,000 years ago.
(admittedly I model this on how aircraft, car's and other "consumerable forms of transport" are remodelled here on earth)

As a alien "beliver" as some on here would have liked to have labled me - I DID find those videos informative and interesting. It's very important to remember why the battle lines have been drawn, and how the sides operate. Debunkers, which some also call skeptics will continue to debunk and be sketpical about aliens or ufos - until an alien body is found.

So, you can show them testimony from President Bush on Aliens and they'd still debunk it. They can't ever seem to get their head around the idea that if such aliens did exist, they would have to have incredible technology to get here. And - if they have such incredible technology and any Government recovered it they would be obligated to hide it form their enemies for our own advancement.

It's so important to understand the M.O. of those who seek to debunk, and why they do it. It's also important to understand nothing you provide will satisfy their need for evidence for no evidence is enough. They want physical proof - something that in this medium (the internet) is simply not possible.

Unusual theories are always attacked by skeptics and debunkers, and in fair levels can be a good thing. But what typically happens is most of the skeptics die off, mean-while more open minded people/scientists take their place and by that time the theory is no longer seen as so strange and the theory begins to take hold.

Sorry for the essay, but what can I say? You provide people with some great video's (that sure as hell beat TV) and they just ignore it? Guess we'll just have to wait and let time bring fourth more subtle truths and eventually the reality of this issue will be done.

I hope so..

Debunkers, which some also call skeptics will continue to debunk and be sketpical about aliens or ufos - until an alien body is found.
Or any other real evidence.
So, you can show them testimony from President Bush on Aliens and they'd still debunk it.
Err, the same way we had evidence of WMDs in Iraq? Or any other thing that politicians present as proof?
They can't ever seem to get their head around the idea that if such aliens did exist, they would have to have incredible technology to get here.
We can't get it round our head? It's sine qua non. It's a major bone of contention that every "explanation" given of the "technology" so far presented fails to stand up in court.
And - if they have such incredible technology and any Government recovered it they would be obligated to hide it form their enemies for our own advancement.
Or use it, overpower the enemies (remember how SDI ruined the USSR?), and then productionise it. Sub-sections of advanced technologies (if they existed) could be released gradually - no problem. What's the point of having a technology if you don't use it?
It's so important to understand the M.O. of those who seek to debunk, and why they do it.
Nearly as important as understanding why people feel a need to believe unprovable junk. We have an M.O? Oh, yeah, we ask for some support to the allegations? Hardly difficult.
It's also important to understand nothing you provide will satisfy their need for evidence for no evidence is enough. They want physical proof - something that in this medium (the internet) is simply not possible.
Straw man. Of course you can't present physical evidence over the 'net. But you can at press conferences. The believers have those regularly. They have group (national and international) meetings. They have magazines, they have access to TVs and phone books. All it takes is a call to a university science/ tech department, present the evidence and whoah - instant conversion of the debunkers. And that happens how often?
Unusual theories are always attacked by skeptics and debunkers, and in fair levels can be a good thing. But what typically happens is most of the skeptics die off, mean-while more open minded people/scientists take their place and by that time the theory is no longer seen as so strange and the theory begins to take hold.
That's correct except for for two things. It's not "typical" that unusual theories are accepted, most science is a building on what is previously understood, and the other slight problem is in the word "theory" - believers don't have a theory, they have speculation. A theory must explain the observations, and make prediction possible. And suggest experiments to disprove that theory.
Sorry for the essay, but what can I say? You provide people with some great video's (that sure as hell beat TV) and they just ignore it? Any nerd in a basement can create video.
Guess we'll just have to wait and let time bring fourth more subtle truths and eventually the reality of this issue will be done. Then you're probably in for a long wait, guy. People have been seeing things in the sky for thousands of years and there's still no hard facts...

Or any other real evidence.

Err, the same way we had evidence of WMDs in Iraq? Or any other thing that politicians present as proof?

We can't get it round our head? It's sine qua non. It's a major bone of contention that every "explanation" given of the "technology" so far presented fails to stand up in court.

Or use it, overpower the enemies (remember how SDI ruined the USSR?), and then productionise it. Sub-sections of advanced technologies (if they existed) could be released gradually - no problem. What's the point of having a technology if you don't use it?

Nearly as important as understanding why people feel a need to believe unprovable junk. We have an M.O? Oh, yeah, we ask for some support to the allegations? Hardly difficult.

Straw man. Of course you can't present physical evidence over the 'net. But you can at press conferences. The believers have those regularly. They have group (national and international) meetings. They have magazines, they have access to TVs and phone books. All it takes is a call to a university science/ tech department, present the evidence and whoah - instant conversion of the debunkers. And that happens how often?

That's correct except for for two things. It's not "typical" that unusual theories are accepted, most science is a building on what is previously understood, and the other slight problem is in the word "theory" - believers don't have a theory, they have speculation. A theory must explain the observations, and make prediction possible. And suggest experiments to disprove that theory.
Any nerd in a basement can create video.
Then you're probably in for a long wait, guy. People have been seeing things in the sky for thousands of years and there's still no hard facts...

There is no need for me to argue with a non-believer anymore. I've done that before, and we won't get anywhere. Although I did find your remark about WMD amusing. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213

That would be a report on the WMD found in Iraq. Of course, I don't think you (or any anti-war democrat) will conceed they really found WMD, or enough to justify anything. But, needless to say - that's a whole different topic!

I don't think you (or any anti-war democrat) will conceed they really found WMD
Actually, in my peripatetic capacity as weapons technology consultant I was in little doubt - I was far more aware than most people of Iraqi capabilities.
The WMD remark was intended purely as an illustration, that did get the point across at the expense of "accuracy" :D
PS what's a democrat?

Lets be honest, it doesnt matter what the actual context of the videos was, it was always going to get slammed.
What i find interesting the most though (conclusions aside) is that no one at nasa or any legitimate agency seems to show any real concern about all these ufos that are in space and our upper-atmosphere.
'If we dont look at them they'll just go away and wont be a problem!'
Smashing approach.

Hmmm. I have to side with the woo-woos on this one: read the report!
It stated specifically that the investigations that had been performed indicated no threat whatsoever.
So what are they supposed to do? Increase the military budget or NASA's and then have people screaming about waste of money on transient phenomena?
Some days you just can't win... :D

Also people need to learn to seperate cut scenes and cheesy voice overs from the raw footage.
Of course its going to have people talking bollocks over it its a ufo video! turn the sound down if you must, just treat it as a compilation of data and footage put together for you in a handy single video.
Christ its amazing people cant figure this stuff out for themselves it really is.

So what are they supposed to do? Increase the military budget or NASA's and then have people screaming about waste of money on transient phenomena?
Some days you just can't win... :D
I hear what youre saying, i just think its stupid to ignore something so interesting, i dont even see it costing that much money either, think of the money that gets spent on archeology, noone really has to dig up the past and piece it together, but you dont hear anyone ever complain about spenditure on that.

The problem is that ruins are there and stay there. UFOs (whatever they are) appear irregularly, don't stay for long and aren't amenable to being picked up and put in a lab. What do you study, other than location and time of sightings?
Even if there funds available for a complete survey team (or teams) with cinetheodolites, multiple camera systems and whatever other instruments you want, how do you deploy them? Stay in one place and hope, or chase the things round the world only to turn up after they've gone?
I agree it's facsinating. And I agree that most reports say some some sightings cannot be explained, but the problem is having equipment THERE and THEN when they occur.
There very well maybe something worth studying but it's so bloody unpredictable and transient that at the moment it would cost more than it's worth... sad but true.

Technically the distance from the earth this artifacts were seen would suggest they were not flying, so using UFO to define any weird and wonderful sighting would be wrong.

The problem is that ruins are there and stay there. UFOs (whatever they are) appear irregularly, don't stay for long and aren't amenable to being picked up and put in a lab. What do you study, other than location and time of sightings?
Even if there funds available for a complete survey team (or teams) with cinetheodolites, multiple camera systems and whatever other instruments you want, how do you deploy them? Stay in one place and hope, or chase the things round the world only to turn up after they've gone?
I agree it's facsinating. And I agree that most reports say some some sightings cannot be explained, but the problem is having equipment THERE and THEN when they occur.
There very well maybe something worth studying but it's so bloody unpredictable and transient that at the moment it would cost more than it's worth... sad but true.
I respectfully disagree, the amount of nasa footage ive seen with ufos isnt the odd frame here and there, its hours apon hours worth.
If all that footage exists when people arnt looking for them i think you can reasonably expect to find even more when you set out to find them.

Billions are spent chasing other non-static arial phenomenon such as commets, and huge budgets are put in place to atempt to understand their behaviour and structure.
And we should remember at one point commets were ufos, we now know what they are through careful study, i cant see any logical reason why the same processes of investigation shouldnt be applied to the types of ufos shown in the footage posted earlier.
Its a joke that nasa wont even acknowledge the arial phenomonon theyve filmed themselves and wont even atempt to publically debate the matter let alone investiate it.
I think its all a fucking farce to be perfectly blunt.

There are many here that read and don't post anymore as they have learned that there are just too many thread disrupters that are a total annoyance and waste of time to deal with. :bugeye:

Yet, those of us that do "believe" that we are not alone, those that "know" there are extraterrestrial beings amongst us, will continue to investigate and learn the truth. :D

Norval

If someone would just find an alien body we'd be done with all of this..





....Wait.. no, because then it would just be one of our ancient ancestors.. :mad:

Actually, in my peripatetic capacity as weapons technology consultant I was in little doubt - I was far more aware than most people of Iraqi capabilities.
The WMD remark was intended purely as an illustration, that did get the point across at the expense of "accuracy" :D
PS what's a democrat?

:D Oh! Sorry, I'm not a Republi-crat either. But I enjoy playing the devils advocate in politics... :p

Oh! Sorry, I'm not a Republi-crat either.
Keep going... since I'm not a US citizen I have no idea of the referents you're using.

Nearly as important as understanding why people feel a need to believe unprovable junk. We have an M.O? Oh, yeah, we ask for some support to the allegations? Hardly difficult.

There is some support, there's just no proof. Or stated better, there is some evidence, but no proof. I can easily understand there being no proof, and thus being skeptical. But I can't stand when people claim that because we have no proof, aliens do not exist. The truth is, we simply don't know yet if other intelligent life forms exist on other planets. Since WE DO exist I don't think it's absurd to take the "evidence, without hard proof" seriously.

Then you're probably in for a long wait, guy. People have been seeing things in the sky for thousands of years and there's still no hard facts...

Well, even with some hard facts - without an alien body preserved in jelly at a press conference - it won't be enough for the skeptics. But, for me. If you take a group of say.. 300 witnesses from inside our government - and they almost all speak of a military coverup of alien technology, I'd call that solid EVIDENCE. Then you find FOIA documents to backup what their saying. It begins to build a list of credible people in the know, who you can follow. Follow their stories to the REAL truth.

Ever consider that the reason we can't and have not found physical proof is because it's hidden? So, as I've said before. If we can prove it's hidden, then we no longer need that physical proof. ;)

Well, even with some hard facts - without an alien body preserved in jelly at a press conference - it won't be enough for the skeptics. But, for me. If you take a group of say.. 300 witnesses from inside our government - and they almost all speak of a military coverup of alien technology, I'd call that solid EVIDENCE. Then you find FOIA documents to backup what their saying. It begins to build a list of credible people in the know, who you can follow. Follow their stories to the REAL truth.
One of the major problems with witnesses is "what is their personal agenda"? The issue is constantly obscured by (for want of a better word) nutters like Lazar, Col. Tom Bearden and their ilk. These guys are verging on certifiable, but the press they generate and receive, (and the consequent discovery that they are alpha-woo-woos) sort of spoils it for anyone even thinking to look at it seriously. Even the UK guy appointed by the MoD went off the deep end - I got part way through his book and gave up when I reached the paragraph (paraphrased) - in order to test my theory that the aliens living among us were telepathic I "sent" the thought "Can you hear me". It was immediately and subtly confirmed when the waitress gave me a little smile.
For crying out loud! What waitress doesn't give a smile and a nod to someone sat a the table looking in her direction...?

FOCLMFAO
STDD

One of the major problems with ""SO CALLED SKEPTICS AND DEBUNKERS" is "what is their personal agenda"? The issue is constantly obscured by (for want of a better word) nutters that don't want you to know the truth.

That fits the truth much better I think.

Norval

There, you said it: Believer. Belief is not science, it is irrational religion. Belief does not require proof, which is handy considering you haven't got any and can't get any because "the spooks" hide it from you.

Oh, geeee, such a shame you cant see for yourself.

Most are "blinded" by the "scientists" ONLY plausible answer to crater chains. Comets broke up and did these Concise and Systematic crater chains all over our solar system.

FOCLMFAO way too funny.

That ALL these craters in our solar system were made by impactors?
Show me an impactor, you can't! Bits and pieces don't count.
All these things couldn't have been going at hyper velocities. Duh?

Evidence that cant be hidden, only lied about and denied.

Norval

That ALL these craters in our solar system were made by impactors?
Show me an impactor, you can't!
Yes, because the impactors were destroyed on impact.
Bits and pieces don't count.
Why not?
All these things couldn't have been going at hyper velocities. Duh?
Why could they not all have been going at hyper velocities?

Figure it out to your own satisfaction.

FOCLMFAO, STDD

Could you not start hijacking a thread with your Crater chain theory please. It's bad enough actually having to deal with the occasional thread on the subject without having to resort to hijacking others that weren't on the subject.

As a alien "beliver" as some on here would have liked to have labled me - I DID find those videos informative and interesting. It's very important to remember why the battle lines have been drawn, and how the sides operate. Debunkers, which some also call skeptics will continue to debunk and be sketpical about aliens or ufos - until an alien body is found.

So, you can show them testimony from President Bush on Aliens and they'd still debunk it. They can't ever seem to get their head around the idea that if such aliens did exist, they would have to have incredible technology to get here. And - if they have such incredible technology and any Government recovered it they would be obligated to hide it form their enemies for our own advancement.

It's so important to understand the M.O. of those who seek to debunk, and why they do it. It's also important to understand nothing you provide will satisfy their need for evidence for no evidence is enough. They want physical proof - something that in this medium (the internet) is simply not possible.

Unusual theories are always attacked by skeptics and debunkers, and in fair levels can be a good thing. But what typically happens is most of the skeptics die off, mean-while more open minded people/scientists take their place and by that time the theory is no longer seen as so strange and the theory begins to take hold.

Sorry for the essay, but what can I say? You provide people with some great video's (that sure as hell beat TV) and they just ignore it? Guess we'll just have to wait and let time bring fourth more subtle truths and eventually the reality of this issue will be done.

I hope so..

Actually thanks for the essay.
I agree with what you say.
I am not trying to convince anybody of anything.
I would not consider my self a believer one way or the other.
I hold open a continual perspective on the matter.
Always open to new information and I know I would have appreciated someone else posting those vids so.....

The problem is that ruins are there and stay there. UFOs (whatever they are) appear irregularly, don't stay for long and aren't amenable to being picked up and put in a lab. What do you study, other than location and time of sightings?
Even if there funds available for a complete survey team (or teams) with cinetheodolites, multiple camera systems and whatever other instruments you want, how do you deploy them? Stay in one place and hope, or chase the things round the world only to turn up after they've gone?
I agree it's facsinating. And I agree that most reports say some some sightings cannot be explained, but the problem is having equipment THERE and THEN when they occur.
There very well maybe something worth studying but it's so bloody unpredictable and transient that at the moment it would cost more than it's worth... sad but true.

I appreciate your response.
Great to see balance in your replies.

Another interesting aspect about the interaction of these minions, is watching firsthand their friendly comradery with the twist of the knife in their other hand. Just wait and watch.
:)

Stryder Posted
Could you not start hijacking a thread with your Crater chain theory please. It's bad enough actually having to deal with the occasional thread on the subject without having to resort to hijacking others that weren't on the subject.


Oh? :eek:

Well, Stryder, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. That information I gave is about hard physical evidence that can't be eraced or hidden, only DECEIVED and LIED ABOUT. And it was asked for by another poster. :rolleyes:

So in closing my 1,000th post, , ,
KISS MY ASS Stryder ! ! ! ! ! ! :D

Norval

Stryder Posted
Could you not start hijacking a thread with your Crater chain theory please. It's bad enough actually having to deal with the occasional thread on the subject without having to resort to hijacking others that weren't on the subject.


Oh? :eek:

Well, Stryder, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. That information I gave is about hard physical evidence that can't be eraced or hidden, only DECEIVED and LIED ABOUT. And it was asked for by another poster. :rolleyes:

So in closing my 1,000th post, , ,
KISS MY ASS Stryder ! ! ! ! ! ! :D

Norval
oh my such harsh language!!!

Norval, Just where did anyone write "Oh Norval... do please tell us of your amazing story, where Craters on planets and moons in our solarsystem are actually sophisticated artistic impressions of Nihilistic Alien entities"

Quite simply no one did, The thread and topic was concerned about the evidence for Ufologists or UFA's (Unidentified Fuzzy Artifacts) and how people might be hiding it.


That information I gave is about hard physical evidence...

I guess your hard evidence is going to be that the crater exists as apposed to how it was formed which there are thousands of natural examples of. However as I said this thread isn't for hijacking, so I state that rather than asking you to confirm it.

Simply your "Proof" is a crock, you say this and that, your story morphs and you always identify you give people proof even when they have seen or heard nothing, if they had proof they could "corroborate" your Fantisful story.

Multiple times you've claimed NASA is hiding this or that, however the fact is that NASA gets inendated with complete and utter quack requests such as your own and this means that NASA is cautious about responding to such requests from everyone else that might have a real question to asked, basically you quacks spoil it for everyone else and yourselves by being psychotic,... get help now.

Norval, Just where did anyone write "Oh Norval... do please tell us of your amazing story, where Craters on planets and moons in our solarsystem are actually sophisticated artistic impressions of Nihilistic Alien entities"

Quite simply no one did, The thread and topic was concerned about the evidence for Ufologists or UFA's (Unidentified Fuzzy Artifacts) and how people might be hiding it.

I guess your hard evidence is going to be that the crater exists as apposed to how it was formed which there are thousands of natural examples of. However as I said this thread isn't for hijacking, so I state that rather than asking you to confirm it.

Simply your "Proof" is a crock, you say this and that, your story morphs and you always identify you give people proof even when they have seen or heard nothing, if they had proof they could "corroborate" your Fantisful story.

Multiple times you've claimed NASA is hiding this or that, however the fact is that NASA gets inendated with complete and utter quack requests such as your own and this means that NASA is cautious about responding to such requests from everyone else that might have a real question to asked, basically you quacks spoil it for everyone else and yourselves by being psychotic,... get help now.

That is a blatant lie, the Crater Chain Research web site (http://www.craterchains.com/ns/nspage.html) has not been updated in well over a year, the information remains. The evidence remains. It is all about those out there and unfortunately for us, those asshole ones that are stuck here. A well used analogy is, who do you want for neighbours, the ones you can trust with your cows and kids or the ones stuck here that prey on your cows and kids, the LOSERS?

Nasa is bullshit, just to pacify the masses that some space program is in place. When it was well known over 25 years ago we could have had large scale structures in space with the technology available at that time.
http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/SpaceSettlement/CoEvolutionBook/BerSpher.JPEG
SPACE COLONIES (http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/SpaceSettlement/CoEvolutionBook/)
But that program could not go ahead and have people in space, families in space when there was and is all these others already out there. What?! and have no control on what everyone could possibly learn or not learn.
:D

With the current global climate which has been frequently unstable, such things as Space Colonies has always been seen as fictional. While any country has the power to launch a rocket and has the will to attack another country, such colonies would never seem feasible for both being potential places of attack and financial loss.

A well used analogy is, who do you want for neighbours, the ones you can trust with your cows and kids or the ones stuck here that prey on your cows and kids, the LOSERS?
Stryder you missed it entirely.

No, you missed his point FieryIce. Whos' going to build these "huge space structures" at a monumental loss? They would cost 10's of billions and there's no "space housing" market yet. There might be in 20-30 years, but definately not now.

Squeak, if you actually looked into the Colony program the cost estimates were not billions, that was what made the entire project even more desirable.

Average cost per pound to space in 2000 to Geo-Synchronous orbit was about $17,000 for US/Europe and about 7,000 for Russian/Chinese.

An average car in the US weighs about 3000 pounds. It costs about 51M to put just the car into space in the US/Europe and about 21M for russian/Chinese.

A space colony will weigh MUCH more than a single car, and will not cost 15-20k to build, and would have to be assembled in space.

Therefore it will cost BILLIONS of dollars.

Ultimately i believe that there are aliens out there, i mean its hard to believe that with the Universe roughly 14 Billion years old, and 28 Billion Light Years side to side we are the only lifeforms.
So does Eddie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRWDTgkqkJw&search=eddie%20griffin).

With all the evidence, why the obvious DENIAL?!?!?!

FOCLMFAO, , , loosers.

I've watched the videos as well. I think the orbital tether is something that should've been more widely talked about. I mean the idea of putting a massive string in the atmosphere in order to pickup electrical charge is just mind blowing, it's also insane! People would probably have yelled at NASA for even trying it. I know spending my tax dollars on something so wasteful is just dumb.

As for the objects seen floating by the tether, well... David put forth interesting theories on what they were, and the actual footage wouldn't seem to disapprove of his claims. I think the main factor here is more evidence will be needed that a common layman is capable of understanding. Even scientists working at NASA lacked the imagination to see what he saw, although evidence suggested it as a possibility.

There is another question I have, why were so many spheres visible? You'd expect that if they had interest in the tether there wouldn't be as many approaching it. So this does make me wonder if indeed they are alien craft or craft at all.

The Galaxy Clock is fascinating, although we will wonder for some time if his concepts of it are correct or not.

The Dogon's are interesting. The stories they tell seem so incredible as to be plain ridiculious! There are interesting points.. if the information about Sirus was in fact correct long before astronomy came into being this would certainly be more then enough to lend credibility towards their statements. The only concern I have is the description of the aliens themselves.... I have never heard any abduction cases where fish-like beings were involved. In truth we really only see Insect like beings that are trying to merge their evolutionary system with ours. The Greys were the first attempt, the hybrids that seem more humanlike are the final goal. So where do these weird fishlike beings come in?

It might be a possibility that there are more then 1 species present in this area of the galaxy, however abductees report only contact with Insect like beings or the Greys, never fishlike entities. Perhaps they came here for some purpose thousands of years ago, but it makes little sense what happened to drive them away. You'd think if they were able to survive on this world they would have stayed!

So we are left with some open-ended questions.

1. Were the fishlike beings ever real?
2. If they were why did they leave?
3. What did they actually teach the Dogon tribe, it seems nothing because they died out anyway.
4. If the alien craft do exist how can we get one :-p

Good post sderenzi.

This is a interesting discussion. About the fish like et's, i would imagine it would be harder for a being that inhabited water to interact with land dwellers. And perhaps they are just here to observe, not interact. Just a thought, there could be many different types of beings that come here, having different intents or goals. With our growing technology perhaps they just want to check on our mental state, wouldnt do to have unbalanced unpeaceful beings traveling anywhere they choose spreading chaos where they went.
Peace

I really, really, really want to know what the hell was going on with that tether. I'm not a UFO kook, and I don't think we've been visited...but still...that shit is amazing.

I really, really, really want to know what the hell was going on with that tether. I'm not a UFO kook, and I don't think we've been visited...but still...that shit is amazing.
I know huh, very interesting indeed.

This is a interesting discussion. About the fish like et's, i would imagine it would be harder for a being that inhabited water to interact with land dwellers. And perhaps they are just here to observe, not interact. Just a thought, there could be many different types of beings that come here, having different intents or goals. With our growing technology perhaps they just want to check on our mental state, wouldnt do to have unbalanced unpeaceful beings traveling anywhere they choose spreading chaos where they went.
Peace
I wonder if the fish metaphor is being used to describe reptillian like creatures.
It would seem to make more sense from what I have gathered....but who knows?
I can only imagine what any of the true interests are of any beings that may be here.
I know what you mean, our leaders are ones that believe War is Peace.
Not a good philosophy to introduce to other civilizations. :)

It does make sense to me however that if they are indeed here, that minimal interference with our natural evolution/progress may be of importance.
That there may be important lessons we must learn as a race (human race) that we must first learn on our own, like any child must, to evolve consciously to a higher level.
Just a thought.

You know, I'd like to comment further, now that I've watched the whole thing.

OK, first of all, this guy made some neat, if completely theorhetical points in the beginning. I mean, he spoke plainly in regards to the tether incident, and kind of approached it from a "Well, what the hell is this supposed to be" standpoint, kind of like we would all be. And the "debris" floating around the tether resembling strongly the Dropa stones is an intriguing mystery I've known about for some years now.

I think the problem here is that when he asked the scientists and professionals what their opinions of the objects were, they responded with entirely mundane answers. Now, while those answers seemed dodgy and mundane, that doesn't mean they were the wrong answers. Granted, upon inspection, it seems clear that the objects were behind the tether, rather than what the one scientist had responded with, but still...it seems hard to believe that these men and women are so against the idea that there might very well be aliens around us. I just can't buy that there is this massive conspiricy to hide the "truth" from us.

And where the presenter in the film really hurts himself is in Part II, where he incredibly makes the jump from there being UFOs in space, in great numbers, around one of our satellites, to there being leftovers of this alien race from Sirius here on Earth, and their Gods are shooting waterballs at our Ozone layer, Jesus was from the Dog Star, and the ancient gods from another star system were responsible for the Biblical floods.

Plus, his idea of the Sphynx being a watery hotel for the Gods who visited from Sirius being the answer to the water damage to the structure is rediculous. He himself stated that at one point, that portion of Egypt was dense jungle, and he just completely ignored that and opted for the "Well, was it a jungle because of Waterballs from outter space Gods?"

Clearly, the dense jungle provided rain, and because of the rain, the Sphinx recieved water erosion. How he simply ignored that is beyond me.

Bottom line is that this guy would have raised some decent questions by leaving it at "Well, I'm not convinced that these UFOs are debris from the space station. It just doesn't make any sense that the debris would all have the same very distinct shape, while some portrayed very peculiar behavior." By taking the "Earth was farmed by the Gods of Sirius" part of the story, he just completely discredited himself. I mean, even people who believe that UFOs are visiting us are going to see that and say "Damn, dude...that's a reach."

JD