Versions of reality

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Moderators where should this thread be? (asside from cesspool) Free thoughts? Philosophy? Biology?

 

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im not a moderator, but i would say parapsychology thread. Yes I do believe people live in alternate realities, and obviously their perception of the world makes them notice different aspects of life rather then other aspects. I recently learned that a test was done to distinguish cultural differences in perceptions of life. Asian and european men and women were shown a picture of a tiger standing in forest. Apparently the europeans kept most of their time focused on the actual tiger, whereas asian people were constantly changing from the tiger to the forest background.

 

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I'm new to posting but have been browsing for awhile. What a great site!

Anyways, I believe that reality from one person to the next is entirely subjective. You percieve greenish blue while I percieve bluish green, for example, and which is the real color? Differences in our senses welcome such pollution of what reality is that there is no basis on which to universally codify the reality of any given thing.

That being said, I know a lot of clinically 'sane' people who are way off mark!

 

off your mark.

 

you are talking here about differences in perception not reality.
in reality it is the same color but is being perceived differently.

 

Meaning what? My offered opinion is, in your reality, percieved to be off mark? lol

I suppose elaboration was needed.

Your reference to cultural differences in cognition is percieved by me as a little off mark in a thread about the question of 'true' reality versus 'false' reality (or at least what I percieved the thread to be about, lol). The study cited merely replicates numerous other studies that show obvious cultural differences in not only the perception of, but the learning, categorization, causal reasoning, and attention paid to different environmental stimuli as a function of our cultural upbringing.

In terms of 'subtle differences' in the perception of reality from one person to the next, as TheoryofRelativity speculated, most definately there is. Some sometimes way more than others, which would put them off-mark from the norm, yet without a psychosis or other reality-altering state.
TheoryofRelativity, if I am misunderstanding your aim of this discussion, I apologize.

Leopold, I see what you're saying. I guess the point that I'm trying to make is from a more philosophical standpoint in that whose to say what that color is in reality if we all percieve it to be subtley different?

Anyways, I can not recall any supporting literature in the vast amounts of research dedicated to the study of various psionics that there is/are any curious neurobiochemical differences in those who claim to have a psi versus controls. However, I will thumb through any journal I come across.

 

This is exactly what I am getting at

I have been puzzling for a while what I know to be true re PSI experiences (largely my own) and why it is some have them and some do not, I do not at all blame skeptics who have never had even the tiny experience of such things for being skeptic, I myself am skeptic of all but my own experiences but am open minded. So after pondering why do some 'see' these things and some do not, my pondering led me to wonder if in fact both sides are correct. The two groups are sharing a reality but the view is different. Rather than this as you say being culturally induced re Dragons example re the view of the forest and tiger etc, I wonder if in actual fact the difference is more about actual 'biology'. A difference perhaps in brain chemistry, hormone production etc. After all this is what results in altered realities of schitz and drug users etc. My further ponderance is whether these 'bizarre' altered views of reality (as expereinced by drug users etc )are indeed every bit as 'real' and not as we imagine 'merely in their mind', although the reality they see, is indeed just in their mind and not ours, but only so much as our alleged perception of 'normal' reality is in our minds.

Hope this makes sense...thanks thus far!

 

What I am suggesting is it could be combo of both

ie. There is a reality but whatever the majority see is one version of that 'maybe a watered down view' and some get a 'fuller view'? Or maybe just a different view.

Maybe reality itself is a changing thing and dependant upon the viewer as are dreams? Maybe we somehow are able to share this view even though it is not necc static or 'real' at all?

Imagine if we all shared the same dream realities , we'd think that was a very strange phenomenon, yet to consider the same re our waking state is the exact reverse, it's the norm.

 

i knew youll say that!!! Its because I suggested it to be in parapsychology section...you have waged a silent war on me...i knew it...

 

I don't think this was personal Dragon, it's not for parapsychology thread. It's a question re human biology, so hence biology, human science or philosophy if nothing known re biology.

 

Is there anyone on sciforums experienced/knowledgeable in the area of reality perception in humans?

 

is c'est moi (sp?) thread(s) relevant? is that "on topic" here? i'm knowledgeable, as well as qualified, for insanity!

 

kind of,

mostly in the same way that you are ToR. perosnal experince of psyhcic psi clairvouyancce clairaudience, some experience personally and professionally with psychosis and the psychotic.

QQ may have some intersting ideas for you.

this might get complicated if i can actually explain it at all in any coherent way. i was about to go to bed, which doesnt help.

as you have pointed out or at least somewhat acknowledged awareness of, reality is dynamic. reality is emerging as we experince it in the present.

my thoughts re reality is such. there is the individuals reality and there is a consensual reality. consensual reality is made up of the consensus of individual reality. consensual reality has existed and evolved with the development of individual realities through process. consensus of reality is arrived at through conference of individuals. individual reality is arrived at through experience and relation to consensual reality.

i am sure my terminology is clumsy i dont get much opportunity to explore such ideas.

i am of the opinion that consciousness has a very powerful effect on the energy that is the material Reality. could include spiritual reality with that.

 

Excellent, thanks, this is exactly what I was getting at.

re this bit :"i am of the opinion that consciousness has a very powerful effect on the energy that is the material Reality. could include spiritual reality with that."

Do you mean by this that we are able to 'manifest' things with our imaginations.

I myself have pondered the possibility that anything we consider capable of occurring will at some point come to fruition, but I am not sure what the time delay for this would be. (I know for some this is now escaping into the realms of fantasy so any trollers reading this and posting insults will be ignored!)
I read many yrs ago that the idea of the 'atom' was conceived of some 2000 yrs before it was discovered and I wondered at the time if the 'atom' therefore came into existance or was then 'dsicovered' as a result of the concept of it being realised 2000 yrs earlier. I know this seems completely mad and I forget what made me consider this at the time. I was studying philosophy at college and I posed that question to the teacher but he really had no clue what I was trying to convey. Do you?

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Back to your comment:
"I am of the opinion that consciousness has a very powerful effect on the energy that is the material Reality. could include spiritual reality with that."
I am aware that the saying 'be careful what you wish for" has a base in fact as I myself have to be very careful what I wish for. I'll say no more on that score.

Any more thoughts Ellion on these matters ?

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not really with the imagination as the imagination is also a constuct of the consciousness that is the gestalt of the spiritual being. but in a way yes your right it is that, sort of. make sense? yes!

is this based on your experiences?

i agree, i also shalt cast assunder all workers of the flame and thou who troll and hijack unless by titilation my humour thou evoketh.

yes i thave thought something like this with chakra kundalini work. have the effects and sensations become apart of my self and given me access to newer realms of reality because the idea was planted and has been nurtured or did all that stuff exist in my physiology and i have just begun to awaken it?
dont know about atoms!

yes i think i do understand you. you mena once the thought or concept has arisen in consciousness then it will manifest itself as material reality.

dion fortune has written some good books on these matters. two inparticular i think would interest you. 'practical occultism in daily life' and 'applied magic and aspects of occultism'

 

Thanks Ellion, I have pm'd you about this

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Well, you know, our beliefs and assumptions shape our perception of reality. If a person believes in psychic phenomenon, they are more likely to interpret things in that framework. Someone that believes in ghosts will get frightened in a dark basement, and everytime they run from what they think is a sign of a ghost it will reinforce that belief.

 

I don't believe in psychic phenomenon, I believe in what my eyes and ears tell me is real. Some people want to label that psychic phenomenon because to them its not within their 'norm'. It's my norm, not theirs and thus the differences, but its not about belief, not for me anyway.