Is anyone else fucking sick of everyone telling you to become a veg? In my science class they are making us do a whole lab with the message "become a vegaterian." A guy in my communication class is going to do an informative speech on vegaterianism. A couple of weeks ago Time did a story on vegaterianism.

I can understand warning people about the dangers of a low-plant diet, but quit trying to take away my meat.

really the important thing is eating healthy. you can eat meat and do that at the same time. some "vegitarians" atually eat some meat. wich makes them not vegitarians, just poeple who eat well.

*Runs her teeth over her incisors*

I'm a omnivore, damnit, that's what I evolved to be!

It strikes me as bizzare that anyone would claim a veggie diet to be best for a human, given as we evolved as omnivores.

Personally, I don't understand (but I have a theory) why people feel so threatened by vegetarians. People, even strangers, are always attacking my vegetarianism. Being a vegetarian is a personal choice made by me for personal reasons. Eat your meat and leave us alone :)

I've considered going vegy for a month to see if I notice a health/energy difference, but veggy food downtown consists soley of salad for $6.

I'm not angry at vegetarians by any means. I respect them and I wish I had that self control. But like xev said we are omnivores and I need meat. I'm sorry but I do. It tastes too damn good.
I hate vegetarians that "only eat fish". You are doing much more harm than a well balanced meat eater. There isn't THAT many more fish in the sea.

I have nothing against vegetarians. I just don't know why they feel they must try to shove their tastes down our throats.

i went to a cooking demo the other day where the women was a vegan

first off she had SURPOSEDLY done all this reserch on how vegans are better than normal eaters, (and i was LAUGHING when she said milk is bad for u and wondering where the ostioparosis foundation was) and then she said a Big mac with people u love is better for u than eating well with people u hate

why does the US keep exporting fruit cakes?

PLEASE stop sending us morons like this

i can sort of understand why people would say eroup's meat and the US meat because its all grain feed but PLEASE dont come here and tell us that lean meat isnt good for u in moderation

Are fruit cakes a veggy food? I could live off those and vitamins:D

i understand that you can't absorb any calcium from milk. i don't remember why. does anyone know? anway, milk is meant for babies

baby cows...

are very tasty

I meant milk is meant for baby cows, baby cows actually might be meant for us, makes more sense than eating grown up cows, but I dare you xev to watch one playing in a feild from behind a bush, sneak up to it and jump on its back knocking it too the ground, then clasp it in your jaws and hold your mouth over its nose and mouth untill it ceases to breathe. All while avoiding its mother.
Could you do that?
If you could make yourself do that(or would enjoy doing it) I take my challenge back and challenge you to find the nearest assylum and stay there ... please.

If you could make yourself do that(or would enjoy doing it) I take my challenge back and challenge you to find the nearest assylum and stay there ... please.

I don't think I could clasp its neck in my jaws. Can I just shoot it instead?

And duh, milk is meant for ice cream.

Shoot it?
can I shoot you? no wait, thats not the same, can I shoot your first baby?

If I give birth to a cow, yes. :p

steak

could never be a veg... its too damm boring... :p

Originally posted by Persol
I've considered going vegy for a month to see if I notice a health/energy difference, but veggy food downtown consists soley of salad for $6.

What about:

Pasta
Beans (chili, or red beans and rice :) or black beans and rice :) )
Soy stuff (sandwhich slices, pepperoni)
Pizza
Vegetables
Fruits
Tofu
Pad Thai (yummy):)

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
I hate vegetarians that "only eat fish". You are doing much more harm than a well balanced meat eater. There isn't THAT many more fish in the sea.

Most vegetarians that only eat fish are doing it for health reasons. It tends to be called a Mediterranean diet. Fish provides OMEGA 3, which most Americans do not get enough of. It has nothing to do with the number of fish in the sea.

Originally posted by Xev
I have nothing against vegetarians. I just don't know why they feel they must try to shove their tastes down our throats.

A vegetarian could argue the same thing about all the McDonald's commercials on T.V. Or Burger King, Wendy's, Taco Bell (well, ok, maybe not meat, but they claim it is)... anyway I could go on. Do you think meat eaters do less shoving down veggies throats? For that matter, everyone argues different diets (Atkins diet, low fat, low calories)

A vegetarian could argue the same thing about all the McDonald's commercials on T.V. Or Burger King, Wendy's, Taco Bell (well, ok, maybe not meat, but they claim it is)... anyway I could go on. Do you think meat eaters do less shoving down veggies throats?

Wouldn't know, I don't watch tv. But McDonald's is a corporation, hence driven to make money, not to spread an ideology of "eat meat".

Vegetarians, however, seem compelled to yowl everywhere about how wonderful their diet is.

I've never seen a omnivore give me a dirty look for eating the salad-with-tofu-burger. Why must vegetarians lecture their meat-eating acquaintances, then?

is it a plot to try to keep everyone from noticing how terrible it is by saying it is good for you?

Originally posted by Weiser_Dub
Most vegetarians that only eat fish...

are not vegetarians.

definition

vegetarian

One who practices vegetarianism.
A herbivore.
Of or relating to vegetarianism or vegetarians.
Consisting primarily or wholly of vegetables and vegetable products: a vegetarian diet.


therefore, if you eat fish, ur not a vegetarian... quit deludin urself.

sycoindian


Consisting primarily or wholly of vegetables and vegetable products: a vegetarian diet.


therefore, if you eat fish, ur not a vegetarian... quit deludin urself.


I think thats an Oxymoron afterall your secondary food source could be fish.

As for the whole topic:

I'm a Vegetarian, It's not because I think the diet is better, it's purely because my system can't stand Meat, Fish or Egg.

I don't intend to push vegetarian food on anyone, but I will say that about 15 years ago, I could hardly eat anything because there was hardly anything that wasn't derived from some sort of meat.

I could give a reason of why I would "prefer" not to eat meat, but that's based on Protein retro-virii. (although Fungii have a high count of protein, I don't think it's as likely to catch a virus from a mushroom)

I suppose you could say that eating vegetables stops cross-species viral outbreaks because herbivores won't assimulate RNA/protein from other species.

I have a Goddamn idea: let's argue about the wording as opposed to the actual topic.

Swedishfish... "most vegetarians that only eat fish" was a quote from Dr. Lou Natic. The point was understood, and that's all that's necessary.

tired....

are u a vegan or do u eat dary products?

I said:
I hate vegetarians that "only eat fish"

"these" things mean I realise how dumb it is, the "vegetarians" eating fish are the ones that came up with it and don't see how lame it is.

Originally posted by Weiser_Dub

Swedishfish... "most vegetarians that only eat fish" was a quote from Dr. Lou Natic.

yes, i know and i agree with dr lou. no need to get touchy.

stryder... okk.. point noted.. but from the error u pointed out, i could have half meat half veggie diet and still claim it to be primarily consistin of vegetables.. its ridiculous... if you eat any meat, ur not a vegetarian... that's wat it boils down to... i hate vegetarians who eat fish or chicken come and gimme lectures about how great veggie diet is n blahh blahh blahh.. its really ridiculous... i dont force anyone to eat meat, why do they think its ok to lecture every meat eater about vegetarianism...

...but quit trying to take away my meat. I know what you mean! I didn't eat meat for quite a few months but couldn't stay away for long! Oh how good meat tastes now though! I still savour meat even though i've been eating it for a week or two now.

I didnt try to take away other peoples meat though it was just my choice and their choice was up to them. :)

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
the "vegetarians" eating fish are the ones that came up with it and don't see how lame it is.

OMEGA 3... look it up... you are obviously ignorant on this aspect of the subject

i get my omegas from flax seed so it is possible to get everything you need from plants

Swedish, are you vegetarian?

Originally posted by Xev
It strikes me as bizzare that anyone would claim a veggie diet to be best for a human, given as we evolved as omnivores.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

no, i like fish occasionally. duh, i'm swedish hahaha. why?

It strikes me as bizzare that anyone would claim a veggie diet to be best for a human, given as we evolved as omnivores. But we don't know how far through evolution we are! Maybe in the grand scheme we will become vegetarians i.e. those who eat meat products will die off. This seems true especially that we are now lazier than before and meat products only increases our weigh unhealthily, clogs up our arteries and increases our blood pressure.

Evolution is not telological, Neville. It has no aim, no purpose and no design.

Besides, we've more or less stopped evolving.

Originally posted by Xev
Besides, we've more or less stopped evolving.
We haven't even started and we never will get to start, there are more flaws with humans than with most anything else, some of the dogs we made are prone to hip problems and such but humans are far from perfect genetically speaking.

Dr Lou Natic:
Obviously you haven't the slightest grasp of biology. Any fool knows that there is no such thing as genetic perfection - indeed, perfect adaptation leads to extinction.

health reason..okay

save animals....dumbass

Umm. I got a question. Why do people become veggans? It's not like you're killing animals.

there are a lot of reasons, individual to each person unless they can't think for themselves and followed someone else into it. strangely, most of my vegan friends acquired names beginning in "vegan" so i'll refer to them as such.

Vegan Dan objects to the industries, how animals are treated. milk cows are treated with hormones so they can mass produce milk which is detrimental to their health and the quality of milk. they develop sore, infected, oozing, painful udders from this process and need to be treated with antibiotics. they're kept in small pens next to other cows so diseases are spread like wildfire (that's what more antibiotics are for). they're milked by machine, never get fresh air or exercise (which also ruins the quality of the milk) and are kept constantly pregnant to continue producing milk(don't you worry, they wisk away the babies to be box prepared for veal) which is a strain on their bodies and immune systems (more with the antibiotics!). most cattle is also fed cow remains which became a problem with mad cow disease. chickens are packed in small pens unable to move, living on top of their waste so disease is again a problem. they too are induced to constantly lay eggs. gelatin is made from boiling calf hooves, sugar is bleached by grinding with bone char.

then you have Vegan Mark who refuses to put anything from an animal in his body as a personal choice and strives towards being the most ethical person on earth(yawn). Vegan Paul says it is an issue of stealing, so he thought my breastmilk cheese idea was fabulous as long as the woman consents.

i lean more towards the industry thing. so while i'm not a vegan, i do not support the american meat industry if i can help it. my eggs are organic, cage-free, vegetarian fed, antibiotic/hormone free. it costs more but the quality is so so much better, plus eggs look cooler in brown. cheese i'll only get imported from countries that raise milk cows the old way.

humans actually need meat unless they're eating very carefully or taking supliments. even still baby humans have problems if they're not fed the right kinds of protein in the right ammounts. there are disorders that vegitarian children get because their bodies and brains are developing and need all available resources.
humans became smart when they became omnivores because it gave their brain the protien it needed to expand. just because they stood on two feet didn't make them smart! apes have thumbs but they can't do what we do.

Originally posted by freefall

humans became smart when they became omnivores because it gave their brain the protien it needed to expand. just because they stood on two feet didn't make them smart! apes have thumbs but they can't do what we do.

sorry dude, this doesn't make sense. Apes and monkies fill the same food chain role as humans do - they range anywhere from pure carnivoe to pure vegitarian. the diet does not alone make the man.

What ape or monkey is a pure carnivore?

We haven't even started and we never will get to start, there are more flaws with humans than with most anything else, some of the dogs we made are prone to hip problems and such but humans are far from perfect genetically speaking.
Heh...
I think it's pretty damn remarkable that we've evolved into something that has the potential to control it's surroundings. I'd rather have that then the strength of a frieght train - though it would be pretty cool to crush buildings etc... From now on, all the evolution will be done in test tubes.

But as Xev said, you really don't have a good grasp of biology. It doesn't really matter now that we have physical flaws. Perfection (by your definition) is not the same as transcendance.

Our brains are evolved, remarkable whatever, but our bodies are comparitavely pathetic. Our brains are our everything, most animals have numerous traits that assist their survival, all we have is our brains and tool user body type.
I'm just saying people aren't that evolved, actually, it is a fact that we are the least evolved of all animals because we are the newest, this means we haven't even started to evolve yet as opposed to say a sperm whale which has evolved greatly.
I don't need to defend this, it is an obvious fact, I would say that you don't have a grasp on biology.
I agree all our evolving will be done in test tubes and this just helps my point, we never will truely evolve.

I don't need to defend this, it is an obvious fact, I would say that you don't have a grasp on biology.
Ummm...how so Dr. Jekyl?! I happen to have a very good grasp of biology. In fact, I expect the province to be hunting me down for diagnosing the illnesses of my friends and family (which as you know is taboo).

And yes. If you say anything 'scientific' it needs to be defended, otherwise it isn't a scientific fact.

Our brains are our everything, most animals have numerous traits that assist their survival, all we have is our brains and tool user body type.
I'm just saying people aren't that evolved, actually, it is a fact that we are the least evolved of all animals because we are the newest, this means we haven't even started to evolve yet as opposed to say a sperm whale which has evolved greatly.

Acutally the fact that our bodies haven't really adapted (ie completely conformed to a single environment) means that we have been able to proliferate to the four corners of the earth. That is much more integral to our survival as a species, and in my opinion far more useful to our evolution. 'Adapting' as you call it would be disastrous for the species because basic things like metabolic functioning would be in direct conflict with out modern day life. You make it sound like evolution is completely practical and positive which is a blatant lie. You're simply wrong. Accept it. Evolution is a double edged sword.