Ok, here it is, it was on the news, and if you watch the UFO closely, you will see it defy physics as we know it. The man says its alien, he is lieing to cover up technology..... I'm going to go with the later, its a manmade top-secret flying machine! Check this out my fellow believers!

MAN SUMMONS UFO (Video) (http://gprime.net/video.php/mansummoningufo)

The way this man summons them is: (A) He is wired and he doesn't know it.

or (B) He is wired, he knows it, he is making it look like flying saucers are alien, when in reality, they are not

The man is indeed a false "prophet."

If this is the "Prophet Yahweh" character, then he's been debunked several times:

http://www.alienresistance.org/prophetyahwehufo.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet_Yahweh

They looked like/behaved like weather balloons when he made the video with the local news affilate in Phoenix (or was it Los Angeles?) and photos of him assisting with the local Girl Scouts in setting up balloons were found.

The guy is a kook and gives real UFO research and ufology a bad name.

Round and round and round it goes.
No one can prove anything of this nature over the internet.
True or false.
Trying to "prove" anything of this nature in this fashion is unfortunately foolhearty.
Sharing and expressing common experiences is about as far as it goes on either side.
This topic screams of people just wanting to be right, no matter how subtle or what position they may take.

Peace and Riches

All UFOlogist fake and not fake are loosers.

All UFOlogist fake and not fake are loosers.
That is a very generalised, foolish statement. I think we can all agree that these things are either weather balloons, atmospheric events or military hardware of the 2020s, and that they are not aliens, but don't call the UFOlogists "losers" because that really doesn't help the argument.

That is a very generalised, foolish statement. I think we can all agree that these things are either weather balloons, atmospheric events or military hardware of the 2020s, and that they are not aliens, but don't call the UFOlogists "losers" because that really doesn't help the argument.

But we all agree that 'lsufos' is a loser, right?

But we all agree that 'lsufos' is a loser, right?

what you callin me a looser? Better say to my face punk. :mad:

dragon:
All UFOlogist fake and not fake are loosers.

Ahhh, so you admit there are flying saucers dragon? "not fake"

I wait for the day when you see with your own eyes that a secret-corporate "elite" owns technology which makes our jets look like a horse and buggy.

I have seen, and I know. I would ask you to believe what I say, but naturally, since you haven't seen, you don't believe. Yahweh says "it" is going to an Airforce Base, which would indicate they are manmade.

Once while on a walk, I (and three others) saw a small remotely controlled sphere which came just out of my arms reach and then shot away, as it controlled momentum in a most synthesized way. ( I could even see high voltage electrical activity on its surface... emitted by internal Tesla Coils)

dragon:


Ahhh, so you admit there are flying saucers dragon? "not fake"

I wait for the day when you see with your own eyes that a secret-corporate "elite" owns technology which makes our jets look like a horse and buggy.

I have seen, and I know. I would ask you to believe what I say, but naturally, since you haven't seen, you don't believe. Yahweh says "it" is going to an Airforce Base, which would indicate they are manmade.

Once while on a walk, I (and three others) saw a small remotely controlled sphere which came just out of my arms reach and then shot away, as it controlled momentum in a most synthesized way. ( I could even see high voltage electrical activity on its surface... emitted by internal Tesla Coils)

Yes I do admit there are flying saucers. I have seen them myself. What I hate is people who try to associate these flying saucers to aliens. They, saucers, are man-made.

Example is Ekip: http://www.ekip-projects.ru/about/ekip.jpg
http://www.ekip-aviation-concern.com/pics/3.jpg

That isn't the topsecret flying saucer that can "defy physics" as we know it. Thats no more than an airplane shapped like a saucer

That isn't the topsecret flying saucer that can "defy physics" as we know it. Thats no more than an airplane shapped like a saucer

dude with the low speed that thing is flying, alot of weight, and having very small wings, this thing sure is a UFO that humans wish to see aliens in...this thing is using a vacuum suction principle to control air flow around itself, something noone has been able to do.

Dragon:
dude with the low speed that thing is flying, alot of weight, and having very small wings, this thing sure is a UFO that humans wish to see aliens in...this thing is using a vacuum suction principle to control air flow around itself, something noone has been able to do.

Its still just a horse and buggy compared to what I have seen in the skies.

Have you ever witnessed a flying machine which can travel beyond 9000 miles per hour and do a RIGHT ANGLE turn without destroying the vehicle or obliterating the pilot inside? I assume not.

I know a retired police officer who saw one such craft floating above a school around here, he said it was larger than the school it was floating above, then, on a whim, it instantly accelerated to an unheardof speed in a silent and most weird way. Its because THIS type of flying saucer synthesizes momentum. It is also the vehicle for a secret society which thinks they are the elite kings of the world, when in reality they are no more than bloodless rats.

Hey dragon, I'm saying this to your face ....punk.
I hope that eats you from the inside out.
And by the way, I'm better than you.....loser.:)


Just in case I may have to retort to another post of yours, I will save my self the wasted time and post my response in advance...."Eat shit, and I'm still better than you":)

Hey dragon, I'm saying this to your face ....punk.
I hope that eats you from the inside out.
And by the way, I'm better than you.....loser.:)


Just in case I may have to retort to another post of yours, I will save my self the wasted time and post my response in advance...."Eat shit, and I'm still better than you":)

:D That's better. Now you have proved yourself to be a true man, even though a rude one. Why are you so angered by me? Are you a UFOlogist yourself? Sorry if I offended you.

But we all agree that 'lsufos' is a loser, right?
I agree, for that is a specific statement.

Is that Ekip thing going into service any time soon?

I agree, for that is a specific statement.

Is that Ekip thing going into service any time soon?

well no... noone is found to fund it. Major problem all inventors face in Russia...no funding. There are so many great ideas that die. :(


Ok...you know what Im going to do? I will print specifics on Ekip and silently put the paper on Ekip into Aerospace department mailbox...maybe they will read it...

The guy is a kook and gives real UFO research and ufology a bad name.
There is UFO research and ufology with a good name? http://www.fadzter.com/smilies/cwm.gif

There *is*, after all, a phenomenon of unidentified flying objects. This phenomenon can be studied, even if none of the "ufos" end up being driven by beings from other worlds.

And there are some very good studies of the ufo phenomenon: Carl Sagan and Philip Klass wrote some very provocative literature on the subject from the scientific (albeit largely debunking) perspective. From an alternative perspective, there is good research from J. Allen Hynek. Unfortunately for us all, these good men have since passed and left us to carry on.

The Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) carried out serious research in the phenomenon until 1988. It folded in the aftermath of the Travis Walton debacle Walton alleged he was abducted by aliens and taken on a ship. He failed a polygraph and APRO suppressed the results. They came under fire from critics like Klass.

Then there is the Fund for UFO Research (http://www.fufor.com/), comprised of several Ph.D. scientists who emphasize scientific methodologies for exploring the UFO question.

Then there's Project Hessdalen in Norway (http://www.hessdalen.org/index_e.shtml), where a group of scientists investigated the long-reported "lights" called the Hessdalen Lights (very similar to the Marfa Lights).

So yes, there does exist real research in the field of ufology. It is definately clouded by the silliness and nonsense of many like Prophet Yahweh.


yenaldlooshi

I think the time has come to distinguish two different phenomena into different categories: THE UFO & THE AFO .... Unidentified flying object (UFO) is anything except the extraterrestrials and such...human made flying objects or bunch of bugs that look like flying object...whereas the AFO is what is presumed to be alien flying object. The only question comes to mind is how will we distinguish whats an AFO and a UFO?...

I think the time has come to distinguish two different phenomena into different categories: THE UFO & THE AFO .... Unidentified flying object (UFO) is anything except the extraterrestrials and such...human made flying objects or bunch of bugs that look like flying object...whereas the AFO is what is presumed to be alien flying object. The only question comes to mind is how will we distinguish whats an AFO and a UFO?...
UFOs don't come equipped with anal probes, cattle mutilators and abduct-o-rays. And AFOs probably don't exist anywhere remotely near earth.

what you callin me a looser? Better say to my face punk. :mad:

Is your handle 'lsufos'? Do you provide content for the 'lsufos' web site?

But I might still call you a loser if you see lights in the sky and assume they are alien spacecraft.

I dislike the term 'UFO' anyway. Alien conspiracy theorists hide behind it's ambiguity, using logic along the lines of 'if you don't know what all the lights in the sky are, some could be aliens', which is totally flawed. Also, presenting video of lights in the the sky as 'UFOs' without making any effort to actually identify what they might be is dishonest. 'lsufos' presents shockingly bad video footage, without any information that might allow investigation. Location, direction, time of day etc. If he is filming near an airport, but not telling us that, it's really poor form, for instance.

Is your handle 'lsufos'? Do you provide content for the 'lsufos' web site?

But I might still call you a loser if you see lights in the sky and assume they are alien spacecraft.

I dislike the term 'UFO' anyway. Alien conspiracy theorists hide behind it's ambiguity, using logic along the lines of 'if you don't know what all the lights in the sky are, some could be aliens', which is totally flawed. Also, presenting video of lights in the the sky as 'UFOs' without making any effort to actually identify what they might be is dishonest. 'lsufos' presents shockingly bad video footage, without any information that might allow investigation. Location, direction, time of day etc. If he is filming near an airport, but not telling us that, it's really poor form, for instance.

well i thought that since I said ufologists are loosers, then you being polite in nature and in no wish to refer to me, refered to me in a short term, thinking that I will not be able to uncover the disguise. Thus when you said lsufos is a looser...I believed you were referring to me...since ls stands for looser and ufos is UFO's ....and I did say ufologists were loosers...so there ya go...And thats how I think.

Pay attention Dragon, 'lsufos' is that Scottish loser with the crappy web site. I was referring to him.

I'm done telling you guys the truth, right in front of your eyes, oh well.

I'm done telling you guys the truth, right in front of your eyes, oh well.
How did you find "the truth"?

Well Hamster, it started with some flying saucer sightings that were obviously REAL and they were indeed seen with real eyes. Seeing as these aircraft defy physics, the most logical explanation would be that they are top-secret flying machines with a very special technology on board. After these thoughts went through my mind I began to wonder who exactly was behind all this, and did a google search for "manmade flying saucer" and I came a across an authors website. I purchased his books and soon found his observations to be very much similar to what I have seen in the skies.

I can even recall a newspaper article in which a man saw a triangular space ship and on the back there were the words "Emergency Exit." I didn't know space aliens spoke english. (or maybe it was manmade?) (invented by Nikola Tesla)

manmadeflyingsaucers: you might have seen the real UFO's but you sure saw it with fake eyes.

Almost funny dragon.

You're obviously ignorant about the use of the term "UFO." When you use that term you are refering to something that is unidentified. That means a 747 could be a UFO as long as the observer didn't know what type of plane he was looking at.

Maybe one day you'll see a flying machine which can fly right angles at very high speeds, if you do, you'll think "Wow, manmadeflyingsaucer was right." If you're stupid you'll think "Ooohhh, I didn't just see what I just saw." Then again, you may never have the fortunate chance of seeing mans greatest invention, and you'll be in the dark about it till your grave, just like everyone else.

Hoooorraaay for secrecy!

You're obviously ignorant about the use of the term "UFO." When you use that term you are refering to something that is unidentified. That means a 747 could be a UFO as long as the observer didn't know what type of plane he was looking at.
That is perfectly true.

at the risk of sounding unpopular, or getting a blasting from manmadeflyingsaucer, How can an aircraft manage a high speed and changing direction without

a) leaving a vapour trail as the heat would be massive!
b) crushing occupants inside because the positive g's pulled would be... HUGE! If it changed direction in a nothingth of a second then the g's would be approaching infinite
c) no sonic boom

This are fundamental laws of physics being broken, ones that no matter what advancement of technology can't be broken.

It makes me think back to a joke about Star Trek. When someone wrote to the creators of the show asking how they could travel at the speed of light and faster when it breaks important principles, like the Heisenburg uncertainty principle. The star trek creators wrote back saying they have Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle dampners on board. The fan wrote back asking how do they work. Star trek creators wrote back saying, they work just fine.

But the "fact" that they do manouevre like that is "proof" they use secret technology! :D
PS vapour trails aren't caused by heat, as such. (http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829)
nothingth can't find that definition in my books, but I'm gonna use it future. Ta.

spacemansteve:

at the risk of sounding unpopular, or getting a blasting from manmadeflyingsaucer, How can an aircraft manage a high speed and changing direction without

a) leaving a vapour trail as the heat would be massive!

I have no information to endorse or refute that claim

b) crushing occupants inside because the positive g's pulled would be... HUGE! If it changed direction in a nothingth of a second then the g's would be approaching infinite

Yes, I can see your concern here. Naturally that is hard to believe because you haven't seen such things in the sky. The technology sythesizes momentum in the desired direction, so that means it has the ability to change its direction of momentum on a dime. (or should I say, at the flick of a switch, or some other form of aerial control)

You know that all matter is composed of electric charges? Or you know at least that all matter CONTAINS electric charges which are paramount to the existence of matter? I think you know one of these possibilities to be true.
So, the technology, it synthesizes momentum by letting out high voltage charges which in a way, grapple the very "fabric" of space and pump it through the ship. The theory has it, that when you move through space, you also move through the "fabric" of space, which is what causes momentum in moving bodies. But if you can move the fabric of space through YOU then you and/or your ship gain momentum in a synthesized manner.

c) no sonic boom

The reason for this: When a flying saucer moves through the air, it lets off high voltage currents, which flow off of it as it moves. The higher the current the faster the ship goes, therefore the air is ionized as it goes, and as you know, like charges repel, so the air behind the flying machine is repelling against itself and slowly decharging, thus slowly coming back together, instead of causing a loud clapping noise.... Also these ships can be very silent, because they don't have an "engine" which has internal movement, its engine is in a way, partially constructed of the "fabric" of space.

This are fundamental laws of physics being broken, ones that no matter what advancement of technology can't be broken.

Either our current physics is a partial lie or perhaps partially MIS-knowledge. If you ever see one such metal flying machine in the sky, then perhaps you will change your mind. If you want to read further get this book: Occult Ether Physics (Teslas hidden space propulsion system and the conspiracy to conceal it) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0963746766/sr=8-1/qid=1151777100/ref=sr_1_1/102-2928680-9852156?ie=UTF8) Just give it a chance, or at least read it for the shear curiousity of a "new" theory.

So, the technology, it synthesizes momentum by letting out high voltage charges which in a way, grapple the very "fabric" of space and pump it through the ship.

The "fabric" of free space is not known to be made of matter, but may have some particles contained therein, hence high voltage charges might only have an effect on those particles, but cannot 'grapple' to free space.

As well, those high voltage charges would be detectable.

The theory has it, that when you move through space, you also move through the "fabric" of space, which is what causes momentum in moving bodies. But if you can move the fabric of space through YOU then you and/or your ship gain momentum in a synthesized manner.

Correction: assertion, not theory. And since electrical charges do not couple with free space, the assertion is moot.

The reason for this: When a flying saucer moves through the air, it lets off high voltage currents, which flow off of it as it moves. The higher the current the faster the ship goes,

All the while, completely undetected. Uh huh.

Either our current physics is a partial lie or perhaps partially MIS-knowledge.

Well, since there are mountains of evidence supporting current physical theories and none supporting your assertions, can we conclude that you're lying?

Either our current physics is a partial lie or perhaps partially MIS-knowledge.
Or, just a wild guess here, current physics is correct and someone's telling porkies...
Synthesised momentum? Either momentum is there or it isn't.
The theory has it, that when you move through space, you also move through the "fabric" of space, which is what causes momentum in moving bodies.
Surely if there were a "fabric of space" it would show up as drag factor. Momentum is "caused" by the movement of mass, in fact one definition is mass x velocity...

Space and what exists in it are two different things. You can't tie the two together because that would debunk every known and proven theory of quantum physics. The only force out their powerfull enough to "warp" the fabric of space time is gravity

Also i'm going to add to the electric charges comment. To generate such electric charges to do what your asking, undetectable and ones that don't interfere with all of our modern technology is impossible. Electric charges create EM waves, these waves will interfere with just about anything and probably wouldn't help most of the electrical grid in the area.

BTW, any link to a book/website/or any other form of reading and viewing material that has ties to "Conspiracy Theories" i will never find credible. Its like me putting a link to a site that says Bush is an Alien to prove that Bush is an alien! No proof whatsoever!

Also, just to clear my opinion on the issue just mentioned, I can't prove that bush is or isn't an alien, its all up to you :p

spacemansteve, there are a few credible books that do mention brief fantasies of the author along the lines of ESP in relationship to quantum mechanics, they could be conceived as "conspiracy theories".

Most of the time such pieces are written to give some commercialised word filler to pad out what would otherwise be a very boring account of theory merged with experiment.

Scientists do have imaginations, without them then they would of been lawyers or doctors not scientists.

Theres a difference however with a credible scientist writing a novel with fantasies based on factual possibilities. Stephen Hawkings does it all the time. I'd rather read a novel that has scientific value than a novel that has baseless facts because people are trying to explain the unexplainable.

e.g. Time travel could be possible through the use of wormholes, but is highly unlikely as we have not met anyone from the future yet. Or... Alternative universes may exist because time is not one dimensional, it has its own dimension that moves in many directions. Something i read by the afore mentioned scientist in Physics

Compared to: The UFO space craft could have engines that manipulate space time around it so's that the propulsion is silent and it can move at fascinating speeds. etc...

Which one sounds more credible? The fantasy based on fact, or the fantasy based on speculation?

e.g. Time travel could be possible through the use of wormholes, but is highly unlikely as we have not met anyone from the future yet. Or... Alternative universes may exist because time is not one dimensional, it has its own dimension that moves in many directions. Something i read by the afore mentioned scientist in Physics

Compared to: The UFO space craft could have engines that manipulate space time around it so's that the propulsion is silent and it can move at fascinating speeds. etc...But those both sound credible. The point is that very very few UFO activists are even as remotely credible as to say that UFO engines "manipulate space time"! That's what happens in Star Trek after all, ie acceptably plausible science fiction. Instead they continue to promote the idea that aliens are so backward they need "markers" drawn in corn fields. Anyone ever see that idiotic film Signs? Even in that there was a line about how the aliens were being drawn to the biggest cities...... using rural crops??!? (sorry, got into rant mode there....)

But those both sound credible.
Well yeah, on the face of it. But one of those ideas has mathematics behind it (from someone whose career has been maths and physics, and IIRC he said it's only speculation) while the other has only the words "somehow manipulate space time" with the supporting "reasoning" that "it's aliens doing so how can we say how it's done?"
Anyone ever see that idiotic film Signs?
Oh yeah, in that film the traditional M Night Shyamalan twist was - the film totally sucked! Well at least I wasn't expecting that.

PS Spacemansteve - Hawking, not Hawkings. :D

Oli:
I KNEW IT! bugger :p, i couldn't be bothered going over to my bookshelf... 5metres away... and looking the name up. I sat there for about 5 minutes debating whether i spelt his name right or wrong... i suppose that would have been 5 minutes better spent walking to the bookshelf but oh well, sucks to be me :p

Silas:
What i'm trying to get at is I could write a book about Aliens and their technology, but i wouldn't have anything to base it on, I've never seen an alien, never learnt their technology, so my book would be complete fiction. Its something i couldn't pass as credible piece of information or a reference in a debate.

Spacemansteve:
i couldn't be bothered going over to my bookshelf... 5metres away... and looking the name up. I sat there for about 5 minutes debating whether i spelt his name right or wrong... i suppose that would have been 5 minutes better spent walking to the bookshelf but oh well, sucks to be me
I see two problems here: 5 minutes to cover 5 metres?? WTF. Exercise, get faster. :D
And, 5 metres to the bookshelf? Aaargh. Get more books and more shelves. The nearest book should be within arm's length at all times. Preferably a minimum of three books at that distance.
(Shit, I don't think I have a 5 metre straight length anywhere in my council flat :rolleyes: ).

lol, usually when i post on here its close to midnight and i'm very tired, thats why i can't be bothered :p I live in a big house, well sort of big... shared accomodation ofcourse... So i got stuck with the three book shelves on the other side of the room... sucks to be me

Also i'm pretty damn fit thankyou, gotta be to fly all those planes the damn air force wants me to :p

Which makes me think... manmadeflyingsaucer... I'm part of the conspiracy you know, i'm just trying to feed doubt to the masses so they can continue to debate the existance of said machines, while we secretly design our own stuff based on alien technology :p

When you get a posting to a top-secret UFO base fly it round to my place and I'll explain how it's all a figment of your imagination... :eek:

haha, will do...

But then i'd have to kill you for witnessing super secret technology

Like I said, one day you guys may see one such momentum synthesizing ships, and you'll be like "Oh wow, that guy wasn't out of his mind after all." Then I'll laugh, and you guys will feel kinda stupid, but until then, time will tell.

We may (or may) see what are undeniably powered "saucers" flying and manoeuvering in ways currently unavailabale to aircraft. But we still won't know (or speculate) on how they're powered...
Momentum isn't "synthesised": it's a product of mass and velocity. If a mass is moving it has momentum. That's real, not synthetic.

Yes you're right Oli, momentum is a product of mass and volecity. Can you not see the possibility though?

Matter is composed of electric charges, thus momentum and inertia are electromagnetic in nature. And it was proven that a moving mass is also a moving point charge, which is thus an electric current. The saucer synthesizes this, kinda like doing math in reverse to get the same answer. Its real momentum, made "synthetically" because, instead of working directely for the momentum, it tricks the "space-time continium" into it by doing a "reverse process."

Ive seen these in the sky, and I've even been bothered by the "spooks" because I have a "loud mouth."

In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. (or perhaps a burning "prophet")

Its real momentum, made "synthetically" because, instead of working directely for the momentum, it tricks the "space-time continium" into it by doing a "reverse process."
Which is another (much longer but equally useless) way of saying "synthesised momentum". There is NO EVIDENCE that this is the propulsion method.

This thing, this momentum-synthesizing, seems to be something that would be obvious to a mathematician once someone works out the right formulae, and it's sitting just out of reach.

Something about synthesizing real forces just doesn't seem logical or possible to me. But my point is that its all just speculation... Have you actually been onboard one of these ships and looked at the science and technology behind it? No

Have you spoken to an alien and asked them how they manage to break our laws of physics? no

If your answer to any of those two questions are yes... then please give us the information, i know some scientists that would love to get their hands on that.

But i know you can't give me the info because it doesn't exist.

This thing, this momentum-synthesizing, seems to be something that would be obvious to a mathematician once someone works out the right formulae, and it's sitting just out of reach.
Exactly like someone saying well I can work out how fast a brick is going and how much energy it has when it imopacts the ground after being dropped from 100 metres. All I have to do is reverse the formula and I can use that as a braking system to take energy out of fast-moving objects...
Having a "reversible" equation does NOT mean that it can be applied in the real world - it may not even mean that there is a mechanism for doing so, let alone that a device to use such a mechanism can be manufactured.

Again, all I have to say on the proof of the pudding, is that it is in the eating. I have seen flying machines "defy physics" and thus I know there is a way to do it, I am only speculating how that is. Can you explain to me how a flying machine bigger than a school could accelerate from zero to a very insane speed with no sound, and hardly any time to get up to speed? I know a police man who did see such an occurance. One evening I saw an object fly accross the nearby mountain range and as it did, it maneuvered in ways deamed "impossible" by science of our day.

Here is the best one of all: I know a retired military man who said that several days in a row while standing guard at a base, he and many other infantry men saw flying objects doing insane manuevers for hours at a time, after a while of this they became concerned and so they contacted washington D.C., you know what D.C. said? They said that they already knew what was going on.... is that to say D.C. was controlling these craft? Who knows. But its a good indication.

I know a police man who did see such an occurance
I know people that have seen things (I've seen them myself) and the VAST MAJORITY of the time what was "seen" was not what was actually there. Some things are "just inexplicable".

If you've seen them yourself then you can only base what happened upon your sensory perception. How can you assert that something other than what you saw has happened? Are you denying the accuracy of human perception? The human senses are some of the BEST scientiffic tools, a blind man can't do scientiffic studies that require sight, so obviously sight is a viable tool of sensing reality. I know the direction you are taking this, and its foolishness.

Just because you can't explain something you saw, doesn't mean it is "inexplicable."

Are you denying the accuracy of human perception?
Absolutely. We've been down this road before, and probably on this thread.
When I saw my last UFO I denied my own senses and spent half an hour trying to get closer - and gave up because it was the same size after 20 minute's walking as it had been when I started: showing that it wasn't as near as I has seen it was (you know, with by senses being scientific instruments and all).

So you're telling me a blind man can do scientiffic study that requires eyesight, but has none? You should be a mormon.

Just because it didn't get any bigger, doesn't mean you were getting any closer to it. It didn't get bigger, maybe that means it was really large, and quite far away. What if it was moving away from you at the same rate you were walking towards it?

No I'm saying I deny the accuracy of human perception (exactly what I said in the post above).

It turned out, surprise, not to be a UFO. And it turned out to be much larger and much further away than the "scientific tools that are my senses" told me it was.
I didn't walk, BTW, I ran 'cos I wanted to know what it was... :D

Yeah, like your guesstimates about what really happened are SO much more reliable.

Read the post. I'm saying that human senses are not reliable. That's why the words "scientific tools that are my senses" are in quotes - Manmadeetc made the claim that senses are scientific instruments not me.
It took another day before I found out what it really was, and I didn't make assumptions....

And all Im saying is that if human senses are not reliable, you can't even rely on them to read and report data from scientiffic studies, since it takes human senses to look at a piece of paper to percieve what has been written, to comprehend what, and to relay what has been written, or seen, or whatever.

If what you say is true, then no scientiffic study to date is reliable or truthful, because it takes human senses, which you say you know are unreliable. A sort of double think.

I disagree, I think human senses are very reliable tools, otherwise we wouldn't be anywhere technologically, historically, "societolly."

Oh good grief. A scientific report is written down. It can be checked at any time by anyone -and it will always read the same, no matter who reads it or when. I'm saying that the sense should not (and cannot) be relied upon for transient phenomena. An individual may be mistaken, several individuals, or even a huge crowd, may be mistaken. But science relies on repeatability and checkability of results.
The senses are not reliable as final arbiters of what "is".

I disagree, I think human senses are very reliable tools,
Okay, simple demonstration on the reliability of human senses:
take a a large glass, fill it with water and drop a drinking straw into it.
Your "reliable senses" will then "prove" that the straw has somehow got a zero-length kink in it so that the portion above water is no longer in line with the portion below the surface.
Since you consider your senses to be reliable scientific instruments could give an explanation on:
1) how the act of placing a straw in water causes the dislocation
2) where the energy to dislocate comes from
3) why the straw is not burnt by this energy release
4) how the portion below water does not fall so it is in contact with the glass (since it is no longer connected to the portion above water)
5) why the portion above water does not fall into the glass (since is no longer supported by the length below water)
6) how the straw is "put back together again" seamlessly when removed
etc. etc.

I see your approach, but it doesn't really apply, since you know damn well that the straw isn't being bent.

Oli:
But science relies on repeatability and checkability of results.

Now with the "phenomena" I'm talking about, I've seen enough of it that it has been very repetitive. The sightings I have seen, as well as the sightings hundreds of others have seen, have lots of common properties. For example: The glowing effect electromotive saucers put off. They often glow, many different colors and it all depends on how much and of what voltage the charge is. You know that high voltage electricity ionizes air right, and that different gases let off different colors, all depending on how much voltage is in the air, and what gases are being IONIZED.

But I can't convince you against your will, maybe one day you'll see one of said craft in the air, and you'll see it is obviously a craft rather than just a glowing ball or spheroid.

You KNOW the straw isn't bent. But your senses tell you it is. That's how reliable the senses are. That's the point. They aren't.
And as I keep saying, I've seen "something" as well - which didn't have an explanation forthcoming at any time thus far. But I'm not ascribing properties to them that I cannot prove, and which have no evidence. Something happened. I hope I find out sometime, but the current "literature" on UFOs does not give a workable explanation of drive systems or anything else. so my sighting stays in the "interesting but unsolved" box.

Your sci-name just needs an "archy" attached to the end.

Hey Oli, you should go about telling people that you've seen a manmade flyingsaucer, tell them that there are no aliens on earth, maybe you'll have the "spooks" come and bother you like they did me.

You shouldn't discount the thousands of sightings in which an actual geometric shape was sighted and not just a light. Im talking metallic objects here, and since when does metal fly around on its own? Some 30 years ago my dad saw a HUGE piece of metal floating above the road in broad daylight, it shot away at a very high speed, but the point is, it was very very obviously made of metal. (it was about 150 feet away from him, and more than 70 feet wide and made of metal)

What Rational Odiotarchy? Like it. :D
For example: The glowing effect electromotive saucers put off.
But the point here is
1) you're assuming a priori that what you saw is a saucer because it glows
2) that it glows because it's a saucer
Circular argument. I've been through the literature (thousands, literally, of books. Seven libraries' worth on the subject) And they all fall down on the "technical" aspects. The so-called drive mechanisms posited is JUNK. Unworkable junk, written by people with little to no knowledge of how things work.
I wouldn't tell people I've seen a man made saucer because I don't know what I saw. And FYI I've had run-ins with intelligence agencies before. I found them funny.

You should read my previous post.

And you're telling me that a person needs some form of credentials to be an expert? That knowledge cannot be aquired and "shown off" without having a PhD?

How comes when people mention how the "spooks" bothered them, they never have a camera on hand to record them, even taken a photo of them leaving? I mean now adays nearly everyone has a mobile phone with a camera on it, and even those phones potentially have inbuilt dictaphones so you could record any conversation discretely.

Yet never are there any instances recorded, therefore no proof of "Spooks" insurgence. In fact there are more "Artifacts" caught on camera alleged to be aliens or hidden technology than spooks being caught, why is that?

That knowledge cannot be aquired and "shown off" without having a PhD?
Who mentioned qualifications or PhDs? I am talking about the unreliability of eyewitnesses with regard to transient phenomena.
[quote]and since when does metal fly around on its own?[/quite]
Metal? Real metal? Or a metallic finish, like mylar....? Or something that just reflected the light?
Re: spooks. How come someone who has been warned by spooks manages to keep talking? You've already claimed that they're following you closely. And they haven't shut you up or disappeared you... hmmm. Verification indeed.

Exactly like someone saying well I can work out how fast a brick is going and how much energy it has when it imopacts the ground after being dropped from 100 metres. All I have to do is reverse the formula and I can use that as a braking system to take energy out of fast-moving objects...
Having a "reversible" equation does NOT mean that it can be applied in the real world - it may not even mean that there is a mechanism for doing so, let alone that a device to use such a mechanism can be manufactured.

It does mean that such a mechanism need not violate physical laws as far as we know.

Hey stryder, I would have taken a picture of the guy, had he not been an "employee" at my previos job. I'm sure he would have gotten very angry if I tried any photo taking.

If the spooks "took me out", everyone I've told the manmade flying saucer theory to would instantly know I was right, thus they would merely confirm what I've been speaking about.

If the spooks "took me out", everyone I've told the manmade flying saucer theory to would instantly know I was right, thus they would merely confirm what I've been speaking about.
It would lend slightly more credence to your theory. Can you name any other people who have been bumped off by "the spooks"?

I'm sure the "Spooks" have better things to do than make threats. Their job titles for instance doesn't say "Bully Woo-Woo's so their petty theories seem more accurate."

If the spooks were really interested in a person, its either because that person is quite capable of doing something in the scientific world that certain architypes of people could misuse or steal, or because they are two sandwiches short a picnic namely continually phone MOD/DOD phone numbers with bogus claims, harass credible figures (i.e. Professors, Doctors, Civil Servants) with their pet theories in the hope that they draw their credible support to their delusion.

The latter would probably eventually conclude harassment charges or a short stay in a psychiatric ward.

so quiet simply I don't think they would "Bump you off", in this day and age, it's seen as very unprofessional since it's far easier getting you a stay in a local nut farm and nobody comes asking questions about missing people.

Curious stryder, very curious.... "nut farm" you say. What if I told you I could actually build one of these "momentum synthesizing crafts?" Of course, if I ever did actually get the funds to build one, I would never tell the likes of you, so in your mind, it will all be an illusion anyway, and I'll never have prooved anything to you or anyone else on sciforums, concerning these top-secret flying machines invented by Nikola Tesla which synthesize momentum electromagnetically, and since all matter is made of, or at least charged with, electric charges and fields, momentum is thus naturally electromagnetic.

Yeah, I suspect if they really wanted me gone I would be already, but since I'm all talk and no real chalk, they can't do a damn thing, but I will keep on talking, and its gonna piss them off.

Another "warning" for sci-forums, within one year the U.S. economy is going to be more powerful than its ever been before, or its going to be more weak than it ever has been before, just watch, this is a prediction, maybe some of you will be prepared for the coming events, perhaps some of you won't be.

I don't really think I would tell you guys the name of the "spook" that was sent to tell me certain, "messages" that all of which yielded "bad-news." Its about slavery of the world, and slavery through forcing you to buy the electricity, to purchase the overpriced oil, to pay for the overpriced natural gas, to pay your income taxes, which are techniqcally unconstitutional and only a direct enslavement of the American people. Big business is so discusting these days, so go fuck your corperate masters in the ass if you love your master so much.

Look at Enron, and all these other bastards that fuck over the little guy, one cent at a time, from everywhich direction, until there are so many people that don't even have enough money for health insurance, for car insurance, they are forced to get into debt just to live a normal life. There is so much bullshit in this world. Oh where would we be without the national debt?

$8,419,179,363, 047.33 Thats Eight TRILLION, fourhundred ninteen BILLION, one-hundred seventy nine MILLION, threehundred sixty three THOUSAND, and fourty seven dollars. Those bankers got it made, hey, I wonder when they'll call in the loan on America? The FIAT dollar can't last forever, so buy gold and silver while its still worth something.

COST OF THE IRAQ WAR CLICK HERE (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182)

Hey did you guys know that nearly half of all the federal budget is military spending? Did you know that the U.S. spends more on military than any other country in the world..... COMBINED? HOLY SHIT. Anyway, hopefully you guys find these "ramblings" interesting.

Curious stryder, very curious.... "nut farm" you say. What if I told you I could actually build one of these "momentum synthesizing crafts?" Of course, if I ever did actually get the funds to build one, I would never tell the likes of you, so in your mind, it will all be an illusion anyway, and I'll never have prooved anything to you or anyone else on sciforums, concerning these top-secret flying machines invented by Nikola Tesla which synthesize momentum electromagnetically, and since all matter is made of, or at least charged with, electric charges and fields, momentum is thus naturally electromagnetic.
What a convenient excuse for not showing us. If you manage to build such a craft, then surely it would be a simple matter to fly direct to one of us (or perhaps even several of us) and show it to us firsthand?

Yeah, I suspect if they really wanted me gone I would be already, but since I'm all talk and no real chalk, they can't do a damn thing, but I will keep on talking, and its gonna piss them off.

It's nice to see you're taking a positive, worthwhile, productive direction with your life.

Another "warning" for sci-forums, within one year the U.S. economy is going to be more powerful than its ever been before, or its going to be more weak than it ever has been before, just watch, this is a prediction, maybe some of you will be prepared for the coming events, perhaps some of you won't be.

So, your prediction is maybe it will or maybe it won't. I could never predict that accurately, kudos!

There is so much bullshit in this world.

Didn't you just claim that your lifes direction is in pursuit of talking bullshit?

Well, look at it this way Hamster, if this technology is indeed real, then "they" could keep an eye on anyone, anytime they felt like by making small electromotive flying probes. (I've seen such a craft with my own eyes) Secret technology now days performs more like "magic" than ever before. I'm talking secret nanotechnologies, secret "energy" technologies, all sorts of shit, but I know the most about the secret flying machines of thiers which are indeed sci-fi-like in appearance and performance, but don't take my word for it....

Nope, its not bullshit (Q), like I said, I'll give it around a year and you'll start observing these secret technologies as well.

I don't really think I would tell you guys the name of the "spook" that was sent to tell me certain, "messages" that all of which yielded "bad-news." Its about slavery of the world, and slavery through forcing you to buy the electricity, to purchase the overpriced oil, to pay for the overpriced natural gas, to pay your income taxes, which are techniqcally unconstitutional and only a direct enslavement of the American people
So a spook came to see you and told you about various nefarious dealings by the people "in charge of the system" (and presumably the same people who run the saucers)? Is this the same spook that told you to shut up about it, because there seems to some sort of dichotomy here.
"What you saw didn't happen, keep quiet or you'll disappear, By the way here's some corroborating info". How curious...

No, he didn't tell me about any dealings, he told me in a manner of speaking of how "horrible" it could be if I attempted to construct such a craft and show it to the public.

He also stated things which only I and a few other people knew about, but I really wonder how he got that information... Anyway, I'm done chatting about this stuff, its now laid out in all my posts.

Nope, its not bullshit (Q), like I said, I'll give it around a year and you'll start observing these secret technologies as well.

So, will you be staking your reputation on that? What happens if you're wrong?

Is this a repeat prediction:viz
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1066753#post1066753
or a second?

Manmade,
If you really think you can build one then get to it, don't listen to the pretend spook. Build a Model one (in scale), admittedly it would mean miniturization if you are talking about something larger, but you can at least then produce either a working model or just a none working toy you can sell on ebay at a later date.

Just don't try to do anything stupid with it and you won't upset anyone. (i.e. fly it over Washington to make your own version of the film "Independence Day" come true.)

since all matter is made of, or at least charged with, electric charges and fields, momentum is thus naturally electromagnetic.

What about Neutrons? Definitely matter, but carry no charge. I think your physics is lacking, and you shouldn't make blanket statements using 'all'.

Another "warning" for sci-forums, within one year the U.S. economy is going to be more powerful than its ever been before, or its going to be more weak than it ever has been before, just watch, this is a prediction.

What a crap prediction. This is like saying that coin will land on one face or another! While it is possible for it to land on it's edge (analogy of the stock market value being identical) it's not very likely!


I don't really think I would tell you guys the name of the "spook" that was sent to tell me certain, "messages" that all of which yielded "bad-news."

If I knew you, I'd yank your chain too.

Its all good if you don't believe, because you haven't eaten any of the pudding. (seen any of the proof)

Stryder, no doubt, if I ever do accomplish the construction of such things, very few people will be seeing it... but I suspect that will be down the road quite some distance, seeing as I don't yet have proper funding.

Proper funding? Read the the books that tell how to build a saucer Tesla coils are easy and cheap to make. There is one snag though... they're not used in flying saucers.

... but I suspect that will be down the road quite some distance, seeing as I don't yet have proper funding.


You lack funding for a few bails of wire? Horse shit. I think you are just making excuses. You know it won't work, so you put fake obstacles in your path so you will never have to face up to the reality that your theories are false.

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My thoughts are that you are still too stupid to work out how to post a new thread, so keep trying to steal existing ones.

And that is tuff shit mate see you are still full of it.

Me full of shit? It's you that sees stuff that isn't there, brainiac.

Why don't you sod off to BUFORA?

You said how right you are again.
http://lsufos.com/ufos.html

Even one so silly like you ned can see this.

John (http://uk.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=334500&Y=661000&width=700&height=400&gride=334619&gridn=660984&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=EH234HZ&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&scale=10000&out.x=7&out.y=10), it's you who is full of shit.

Oh, he is back. And he has not changed.

NOW NOW, you said you where full of shit in your own words.

C.H, yep back where are the rest of the DOGMA CREW, and ma wee dug where he been.
KEEP CHEWING BABE I LIKE IT.

phlogistician:

"You lack funding for a few bails of wire? Horse shit. I think you are just making excuses. You know it won't work, so you put fake obstacles in your path so you will never have to face up to the reality that your theories are false."

The flying saucer synthesizes momentum by using the electrical attractive force which is 10 multiplied by 40 to the tenth power times stronger than gravity. The high voltage electricity glows at night on Teslas Top-Secret flying machines, making them often look like meteors, or the purple/green/white/orange glows they can let off in the night may be mistaken for "high voltage atmospheric phenomenon", because high voltage electricity can excite atmospheric gases to make them glow just like those lightning balls you can buy at the mall. (which balls have Tesla Coils inside them, but the Tesla Coils in the flying saucer are tuned differently)

I even have photos of lightning bolts taking place in a completely cloudless night sky...

I know you phlogistician are thinking "blah blah blah blah, why doesn't this guy get a life?" Before calling me crazy, I would suggest you read these quotes by my favorite genius: Dr Nikola Tesla

“The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable..." -Nikola Tesla

“My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air” or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action.”

“You will get stability through gyroscopes?” the reporter asked

“Through gyroscopic action of my engine, assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about,” he replied.

-GENIUS DR NIKOLA TESLA

Blah Blah Blah, Nikola Tesla never demonstrated such a machine though did he?

10 multiplied by 40 to the tenth power times stronger than gravity

Can you express that algebraically please! ;-)

Any is so much electrical power needed to overcome such a weak force as gravity? (if I read your orders of magnitude correctly). A very small amount of fuel will get you flying if you use a wing, but it seem that fuel wouldn't last a microsecond in a tesla device, if it were used to power a generator. Pretty wasteful form of transport then, eh?

NOW NOW, you said you where full of shit in your own words.



No I didn't John.

How is life in that arse end of nowhere you live?

Why don't you go and see Janette at the library, and get some science books out for a change?

I could just delete all the comments expressed by all parties here, however I'm a moderator not a censor, so I'm just going to lock this thread from being posted to anymore.