When transferring files from a disc or a drive to a computer, and vice-versa, is it considered uploading or downloading, and why?

You speak from the perspective of the computer.
You download something TO your computer, you upload it FROM your computer.
Take a look at internet services.
They are always quoting in upload and download speeds.
Upload speed is traffic away from you and download speed is traffic toward you.

Rubbish!

You always upload to the mothership and download from the mothership - like in every frickin' Star Trek episode ever made!

You speak from the perspective of the computer.
You download something TO your computer, you upload it FROM your computer.
Take a look at internet services.
They are always quoting in upload and download speeds.
Upload speed is traffic away from you and download speed is traffic away from you.
i always thought it was from the perspective of the internet.
but you got the basics right, up to the net, down to the computer.

i'm just waiting for the hammerhead that says "you upload while downloading"

If you take a program from the internet to save on your computer, you are downloading it.
If you take that naked picture of yourself to share on flickr, you are uploading it.

Rubbish!

You always upload to the mothership and download from the mothership - like in every frickin' Star Trek episode ever made!

Perhaps the Internet is the mothership and the world doesn't revolve around you - you are just a redshirt and your PC is the ill-fated pod.

are you arguing with me?

are you arguing with me?

No, we posted at the same time.

"Copying across"

You upload while downloading. :o

Perhaps the Internet is the mothership and the world doesn't revolve around you - you are just a redshirt and your PC is the ill-fated pod.
It's a good job I'm easily confused. If I understood that it would probably make me really paranoid.

You upload while downloading. :o
doesn't count cause you have no idea what you're talking about.
next.

Don't bit torrent users upload while downloading - or is that meant to be some kind of contradiction?

Don't bit torrent users upload while downloading - or is that meant to be some kind of contradiction?
yes, but it wasn't what i meant in post 4.
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1545255&postcount=4

*thinks for a moment* should I or shouldn't I......

You can upload while downloading, or download while uploading, this is usually the consequence of a TCP connection over the IP protocol. TCP utilises stop bit within the packets sent to confirm that the packet has been sent correctly. If the packet is malformed it downloads the packet again.

UDP however doesn't have any error checking controls, it's usually utilised in 'Listening' servers where any forms of error checking has to be programmatically written to avoid erogenous data.

Most games servers will use TCP for Login connections to the main server and use UDP for fast dirty data like VoIP. Bittorrent can use TCP for connecting to the decentralised database node and UDP for listening for the file chunks sent from other computers.

As you should be able to tell, UDP and TCP are on the IP protocol which is 'Network' based. Modern computers architectures are based upon 'Network models' since early computer systems were entire networks not singular machines. So Upload and Download can occur with data changing from drive to drive.

*thinks for a moment* should I or shouldn't I......

You can upload while downloading, or download while uploading, this is usually the consequence of a TCP connection over the IP protocol. TCP utilises stop bit within the packets sent to confirm that the packet has been sent correctly. If the packet is malformed it downloads the packet again.

UDP however doesn't have any error checking controls, it's usually utilised in 'Listening' servers where any forms of error checking has to be programmatically written to avoid erogenous data.

Most games servers will use TCP for Login connections to the main server and use UDP for fast dirty data like VoIP. Bittorrent can use TCP for connecting to the decentralised database node and UDP for listening for the file chunks sent from other computers.

As you should be able to tell, UDP and TCP are on the IP protocol which is 'Network' based. Modern computers architectures are based upon 'Network models' since early computer systems were entire networks not singular machines. So Upload and Download can occur with data changing from drive to drive.


Owww, you are like, such a biatch!

Owww, you are like, such a biatch!

I take that as a compliment Sock :)

I take that as a compliment Sock :)

I know you couldn't help yourself could you? :p

You didn't even mention firewalls so I guess you had a little control.

*thinks for a moment* should I or shouldn't I......
even stryder didn't get this one.
you upload to request the resend of dropped packets.
yesssssss.

I know you couldn't help yourself could you? :p

You didn't even mention firewalls so I guess you had a little control.

Tempting....

However for the most part firewalls block UDP sends, so entire networks could be filled with a UDP listening worm but the commands to control them would never get through. This is the main reason for the lack of voice on some XBOX 360 online games or even why Voice or Camera can't be heard or seen over Messenger.

There is of course UPnP firewalls that can be controlled via a bastardised XML template to open UDP ports that are necessary and the XBOX 360 is identified as being UPnP compatible.

There is sometimes comments made on the internet that various UPnP routers aren't fully UPnP compliant however this is usually down to their configuration, if the owner of the router has hard set filters to open certain ports, then the 'Manual' assignment of ports occurs as opposed to the UPnP assignment which is 'Dynamic'. Moral to this story is pick one method or other as both doesn't work.

When transferring files directly from the disc/drive, then it is not considered downloading/uploading because it has no DIRECT effect on your network speed. If you copy the files from a disc/drive to your computer, it's considered downloading...vice-verse, uploading (these terms are generally used for network transfers).

However, if you're transferring over a network....
If you are copying from a network = downloading
If you are copying to a network = uploading

Also, anytime you download, you are also using your a little bit of your upload. For each packet downloaded, your computer has to acknowledge the remote network and tell it that the packet was successfully downloaded without error...that takes a little bit of your upload as well. Most async ISPs have download/upload sideffects...which means that if you download at the sametime as you upload, your download speed will be affected.

Keep in mind that neither "the internet" nor "a network" store any files. When you are "uploading to the internet", you are actually uploading to a webserver somewhere, to which you connect VIA the internet.

From your machine's perspective it is sending a file. From the server's perspective, it is receiving a file. You are "uploading" because the data is, in terms of computer networks from back when they were being invented, moving up the network hierarchy from a terminal to a server/mainframe.

When the server is sending a file, and your machine is receiving it, you are downloading for the exact opposite reason.


You do not download or upload between disks, nor do you normally say that you are downloading or uploading files between peer machines. In those cases, you are just "copying".


these terms will have grey areas, and are more complicated in distributed P2P applications, where there is no easily mapped network hierarchy. In cases like bit torrent, you are uploading and downloading at the same time, only because your ISP sees that your machine is sending out data and receiving data, incorrectly presuming that it is to a server. They don't care where the data is going, really, they just care how many bits are making the trip.

doesn't count cause you have no idea what you're talking about.
next.

Oh???


From your machine's perspective it is sending a file. From the server's perspective, it is receiving a file.

One could easily say, "I am uploading from the perspective of my external drive, whilst I am downloading from the perspective of my harddrive" This all depends on which side you approach it from.

I am sorry, leopold99, if my reasoning is too transcendental for you. *giggle giggle*
I suggest you get your crystals and meet me at Mt. Shasta (or any other applicable energy vortex) for some chakra-cleansing meditations. We can discuss these matters in our heightened states of enlightenment. I'm sure you'll agree.

Rubbish!

You always upload to the mothership and download from the mothership - like in every frickin' Star Trek episode ever made!

I like motherships.

UDP however doesn't have any error checking controls, it's usually utilised in 'Listening' servers where any forms of error checking has to be programmatically written to avoid erogenous data.



erogenous - 1. Responsive or sensitive to sexual stimulation: erogenous zones.
2. Arousing sexual desire.

Does this have to do with content filtering, by chance?
Care to explain???? :D

Oh???
One could easily say, "I am uploading from the perspective of my external drive, whilst I am downloading from the perspective of my harddrive" This all depends on which side you approach it from.


You could, but it would be unusual. You're not moving up any sort of hierarchy there; you really just copying between peer devices.

erogenous - 1. Responsive or sensitive to sexual stimulation: erogenous zones.
2. Arousing sexual desire.

Does this have to do with content filtering, by chance?
Care to explain???? :D

Apparently my spellcheck was having a lousy day, it felt undesired and unappreciated so decided to slip me a mickey.

Apparently my spellcheck was having a lousy day, it felt undesired and unappreciated so decided to slip me a mickey.

Ewww, sounds gross.

You could, but it would be unusual. You're not moving up any sort of hierarchy there; you really just copying between peer devices.

So you're basically saying upload and download are restricted to networks?

Oh, well. I don't want to move up the hierarchy anyhow. They's all REAL evil at the top.

Downloading and uploading are just linguistically terms and apply the same concept such as copying to and copying from. It's the technicality that matters.

Rubbish!

You always upload to the mothership and download from the mothership - like in every frickin' Star Trek episode ever made!

Nope. The verbage of that is transporting or beaming. But I don't know. Maybe the device that beams Starfleet servicemembers is called the transporter for some other reason. :bugeye:

If you're gunna be a ST nerd, at least get your terminology straight. :D

I'm not, I was inventing evidence in order to support my extremely poor case.

Back in the Stone Age before you kids were born and the first microcomputers or "intelligent terminals" were implemented on computer networks, the "up" and "down" were analogous to gravity and the mainframe was "up on hill" like a castle. You always downloaded data from the mainframe to the micro, and uploaded it the other way. Since only the IT staff actually worked with the mainframe, most people only had the experience of "downloading" data to the computer on their desk. So when networks became complex, they still talked about "downloading" to their own computer, even if the computer they were "downloading" from was identical to theirs. I think this usage still prevails and as has been pointed out, it's become meaningless. Whoever you are, wherever you are, and whatever kind of device you have, you "download" toward yourself.

A lot of people don't even use the word "upload" any more.

"Hey, thanks for downloading those photos to me. Here, I'm downloading some music to you."

Hey kids, I upload files to FTP sites and the like all the time so that coworkers and customers can download them.