"Govna Ahnold" has been pushing socialized medicine but the legislature FINALLY killed it. It was way too expensive and there's no money. The democrats said it didn't help the poor enough. :rolleyes:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120165320966126977.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

The "poor" in CA are mostly the criminal aliens. They already get free healthcare by going to the hospital for everything and not paying. :mad:

Thank God we escaped this huge financial and medical burden.

Indeed. Now people can continue to die without medical aid. Hold on tight to that money Sandy. Keep valuing it over people's lives.

People aren't "dying without medical aid". They're abusing our hospitals and forcing them to close by bankrupting them. They don't pay their bills. Most of these people are criminal aliens. Let them go try that sh!t in their own third world hellholes and stop turning my country into one.

Well, It took this long to try and get legislature formed.. I suppose for every step forward, the USA takes one and a half back.

People aren't "dying without medical aid". They're abusing our hospitals and forcing them to close by bankrupting them. They don't pay their bills. Most of these people are criminal aliens. Let them go try that sh!t in their own third world hellholes and stop turning my country into one.

Have you ever thought of joining the diplomatic service ? After you have informed yoursel by reading a copy of Readers' Digest ?

This is not a step back. We don't want socialized medicine here in CA or in the rest of the USA. The only people who want it are the freeloaders.

This is not a step back. We don't want socialized medicine here in CA or in the rest of the USA. The only people who want it are the freeloaders.

Excessive individualism will lead to your society's collapse. You care about soldiers dying, but wounded ones, you wouldn't even help. Remember a lot of veterans (who didn't ask for the war) but still went to fight for it, even after it was wrong, are homeless without medical aid. Sound like freeloaders to you ?
Even your own are expendable aren't they, as long as some agenda is fulfilled, or someone gets richer, or someone thinks they're right.

California is in deep debt problems and everyone always wants more and more. They should try to pay off what they already owe and get their economic policies in the right order to insure that the government there can operate without going broke, which they already have on a few occasions! :mad:

Vetereans get free care for life from the VA.

Our main problem in CA is criminal aliens. They are sucking the state dry. They steal healthcare, jobs, education, welfare, foodstamps, etc. They are destroying neighborhoods faster than public works can keep up with damage control. They are parasites sucking my beautiful state dry. :(

I do not want to give them or any other criminals/losers free healthcare. If I went to Mexico or Guatamala illegally, demand they speak English and give me free everything, they would arrest/jail me, bribe my family/government for my release, and then laugh me out of their country. :mad:

Have you ever thought of joining the diplomatic service ? After you have informed yoursel by reading a copy of Readers' Digest ?

Bugger that! She should sign up as a volunteer with Médecins Sans Frontières.:)

People aren't "dying without medical aid".
Really? You sure about that?

You're telling me that a person who has suffered a major heart attack or stroke will not die if he does not seek medical aid? Right... What about a pregnant woman in labour with severe complications? You don't think she and the baby could die?

I get it! Something like abortion is wrong as far as you are concerned. But the State footing the bill for a woman suffering complications during labour and unable to pay for the medical aid? No way! Her baby's death is not murder and is no problem then because she might be an illegal, eh Sandy?

Vetereans get free care for life from the VA.

Thats good. Is it enough ?



I do not want to give them or any other criminals/losers free healthcare. If I went to Mexico or Guatamala illegally, demand they speak English and give me free everything, they would arrest/jail me, bribe my family/government for my release, and then laugh me out of their country. :mad:

Whose's demanding to make you speak Mexican (is it Spanish?), evidence please...Plus, Its your foreign Policy that made guatemela such a bad place to live, so where else are they gonna go ?.

If markets and businesses didn't cater to their interest groups, then they'd be out of business.

In California there's a great deal of public assistance going to help the poor already in place. Billions of dollars already go to give underlying support to help the disadvantaged already. Many of the states economic policies devote themselves to helping the working poor also. There are to many programs that are duplicates of themselves there and should be looked into to consolidate them into just one entity.

..Whose's demanding to make you speak Mexican (is it Spanish?)....

Everywhere you go in CA you hear Spanish. Signs in all the stores are now in Spanish. Our food is labeled in Spanish. We do not want to speak Spanish. :mad: English is our language.

Try going to the once beautiful Miami. No one speaks English in the airport so as soon as you land there you feel like you're in hell.

Everywhere you go in CA you hear Spanish. Signs in all the stores are now in Spanish. Our food is labeled in Spanish. We do not want to speak Spanish. :mad: English is our language.

Try going to the once beautiful Miami. No one speaks English in the airport so as soon as you land there you feel like you're in hell.

So speaking Spanish now means you are in hell? Sheesh woman! Get some culture.

It is odd that when I visit Latino countries they don't have anything in English there. All TV and radio are in Spanish, why is it they don't consider broadcsting in English?

It is odd that when I visit Latino countries they don't have anything in English there. All TV and radio are in Spanish, why is it they don't consider broadcsting in English?

Maybe because they take the needs of their own citizens into concern first. Unlike the pc insane areas of the USA that pander to those who refuse to speak our language.

Maybe because they take the needs of their own citizens into concern first. Unlike the pc insane areas of the USA that pander to those who refuse to speak our language.

well that i can understand.

Vetereans get free care for life from the VA.

Our main problem in CA is criminal aliens. They are sucking the state dry. They steal healthcare, jobs, education, welfare, foodstamps, etc. They are destroying neighborhoods faster than public works can keep up with damage control. They are parasites sucking my beautiful state dry. :(

I do not want to give them or any other criminals/losers free healthcare. If I went to Mexico or Guatamala illegally, demand they speak English and give me free everything, they would arrest/jail me, bribe my family/government for my release, and then laugh me out of their country. :mad:

Banging on again. How can anyone "steal healthcare jobs" ? If you mean that their labour costs less, then isn't that what your much-vaunted free market is all about.

The truth about you is that you don't want to give anything to anyone.

Bugger that! She should sign up as a volunteer with Médecins Sans Frontières.:)


Really? You sure about that?

You're telling me that a person who has suffered a major heart attack or stroke will not die if he does not seek medical aid? Right... What about a pregnant woman in labour with severe complications? You don't think she and the baby could die?

I get it! Something like abortion is wrong as far as you are concerned. But the State footing the bill for a woman suffering complications during labour and unable to pay for the medical aid? No way! Her baby's death is not murder and is no problem then because she might be an illegal, eh Sandy?


You are right. It's back to double standards. But you really musn't confuse Sandy by mentioning organizations of which she knows nothing. God hasn't told her about it yet.

Everywhere you go in CA you hear Spanish. Signs in all the stores are now in Spanish. Our food is labeled in Spanish. We do not want to speak Spanish. :mad: English is our language.

Try going to the once beautiful Miami. No one speaks English in the airport so as soon as you land there you feel like you're in hell.

It's commonly believed here in the UK that Florida is full of rich widows. So, how come a language problem ? I see, you are going on about those aliens again. Try changing the record. Think of something nice to say !

Worse, in Miami everyone speaks Spanish and it's not the fault of the criminal aliens. Apparently someone accidentally let a bunch of Cubans into the U.S.! Didn't they notice that they were brown skinned and speaking that gutter language?[/sarcasm]

Strangely "our language" was formed through the process of massive waves of invaders coming in with thier own language. First the german criminal aliens invaded with their language, driving out the existing Celtic language from England. Then the criminal aliens from scandinavia arrives, bringing Old Norse and highly influencing the existing Anglo-Saxon. Then the criminal alien French invaded, and English was demoted to third most important language in the country, after French and Latin, for hundreds of years. When it finally did come back, it had incorporated a lot of French into its amalgam.

Hopefully, Spanish if the next to be folded together with our language, as English seems to get more interesting and expressive the more other languages it blends with.

We could have killed Saddam with a UAV, and used the money wasted on the war to buy everyone health care.

If the evil muslim terrorists didn't go on the rampage killing everyone they could, the war would be over.

If we were properly committed to this war in the first place, and sent enough troops to win, as recommended by Petraeus, it would also be over.

Everywhere you go in CA you hear Spanish. Signs in all the stores are now in Spanish. Our food is labeled in Spanish. We do not want to speak Spanish. :mad: English is our language.

Try going to the once beautiful Miami. No one speaks English in the airport so as soon as you land there you feel like you're in hell.

So what, no one's come out and said to you "Oi, speak espanol or get out!" .
People have said that around Australia.
If you feel so bad about speaking another langauge, go hole up in a cave.

This is not a step back. We don't want socialized medicine here in CA or in the rest of the USA. The only people who want it are the freeloaders.

Hm, I'm a freeloader now. I generally put in over 15+ hours of OT a week. To some it's not a lot, however some wouldn't put in nearly that. I make good money, but due to things like old school loans, rising costs in gas (yes this is a factor for since it sits at over 225$ a month), rising costs in my monthly bills ( electricity, gas, water), and to top it off insurance that totally sucks, but you know what? It's all that I can afford. I'm in good health, something I've been lucky with all my life, however I cringe at going to the doctor twice a year to get a checkup, which is mandatory due to the prescription I take. Ya know why? Because my insurance covers a meager 15$ of it. Yep, I get stuck with a 50 dollar bill just for the doc to say "Yep you're OK." I take a prescription that costs another 115 a month AFTER insurance. You would probably say go for another insurance company, I wish I could. I was denied by one of the two decent companies here in my city because my height and weight weren't good enough. Apparently being 6' and 165lbs is bad. Doctor says I'm skinny. Wonder who's right there? And before you say get it from the company you work for, due to the line of work it's in my costs for insurance would be nearly double what I pay now to get the same coverage.

So I bust my balls to get by, I manage my money very tightly, yet if something big happens, my insurance isn't going to really do anything for me. However, if there was Universal health care I wouldn't have to worry about it because I would get treated without issue. But then so might the Mexican who's working longer days outside than me and living in a home with probably 10 other people :rolleyes: But I'm a freeloader because I want universal health care :cool:

If the evil muslim terrorists didn't go on the rampage killing everyone they could, the war would be over.

What a shallow, uninformed person you are with your simplistic answers to intractable problems!

If you feel so bad about speaking another langauge, go hole up in a cave.

I'm not the problem. The criminal aliens and immigrants who won't assimilate are. THEY need to go the hell back to wherever they slithered in here from. :mad:

I'm not the problem. The criminal aliens and immigrants who won't assimilate are. THEY need to go the hell back to wherever they slithered in here from. :mad:

would you please lay off the attacks against groups of people

No. They're criminals. They came here illegally. :mad:

Criminal aliens and terrorists are NOT protected classes despite your love/support/defense of them. :mad:

I'm not the problem. The criminal aliens and immigrants who won't assimilate are. THEY need to go the hell back to wherever they slithered in here from. :mad:

On our side of the pond Christians would never express themselves as you do. So do you really believe your values are compatible with what Jesus taught ? Your posts are filled with hatred, so I cannot regard you as a Christian, as you claim to be. Or, arte your views representative of what American Christians think ?

On our side of the pond Christians would never express themselves as you do. So do you really believe your values are compatible with what Jesus taught ? Your posts are filled with hatred, so I cannot regard you as a Christian, as you claim to be. Or, arte your views representative of what American Christians think ?

You have personally attacked me all over the board, but I'm going to answer this one anyway. I am a politically incorrect CCR with NO FEAR of anyone or anything. I am direct, blunt, and don't sugar-coat my words here. Kind of like Ann Coulter. Only cuter/hotter and not as nice. :D

My values are mostly what Jesus taught. You have no idea what I actually do in my personal life. You call me racist/bigot/hateful because I despise criminal immigration, terrorists, criminals, and lazy people. I don't care what YOU think of me. Most American "Christians" are lukewarm denominationalists. The number of on-fire-for-Jesus born agains is growing by the day. :)

This thread is about healthcare. Let's get back on topic, eh? :)

You have personally attacked me all over the board, but I'm going to answer this one anyway. I am a politically incorrect CCR with NO FEAR of anyone or anything. I am direct, blunt, and don't sugar-coat my words here. Kind of like Ann Coulter. Only cuter/hotter and not as nice. :D

My values are mostly what Jesus taught. You have no idea what I actually do in my personal life. You call me racist/bigot/hateful because I despise criminal immigration, terrorists, criminals, and lazy people. I don't care what YOU think of me. Most American "Christians" are lukewarm denominationalists. The number of on-fire-for-Jesus born agains is growing by the day. :)

This thread is about healthcare. Let's get back on topic, eh? :)

your the one who fucking derailed by insulting people god you have decency or morals

Yes, back on topic.

The United States has fewer doctors, fewer nurses, and fewer hospital beds per capita than the average country in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. Maybe by "fabulous health care" George Bush meant "fewer people providing health care"

-Rates of chronic disease are significantly higher among middle-aged people in the United States (before they are eligible for Medicare) than in that den of socialized medicine, the United Kingdom. The rate of diabetes is twice as high. Heart disease, 57% higher. Lung disease, 29% higher. Cancer.......73% higher. Maybe by "fabulous health care" George Bush meant "more people that need health care"

-37 countries have a higher life expectancy than the United States. Including Cuba, Chile, The United Arab Emirates, Costa Rica, Cyprus, and Malta. You wanted me to compare our health care with other systems around the world president wanker-boy. Be careful what you ask for.

There is one area of health care where the American system clearly leads the world. Spending! Here's a nice little factoid for those of you who like to think of yourselves as guardians of our taxpayer dollars. In the US, about 45% of the total amount spent on health care is paid for with government dollars. Our Canadian friends use government funds to foot the bill for about 70% of all health care in that country. And use fewer government dollars per person to do it.

Are you getting this? Canada runs an entire health care system, for everyone, for less per person than we spend on just Medicare and Medicaid. So does France. And Japan. You'll find Japan at the top of the list of life expectancy by country. The UK that so kicks our ass in chronic disease prevention does it while spending about 60% less per person than we do.

Tell me again why I'm supposed to be afraid of socialized medicine?
http://drugnazi.blogspot.com/2007/12/george-bush-issues-challenge-to.html

We could have killed Saddam with a UAV, and used the money wasted on the war to buy everyone health care.

We could have purchased Iraq for the amount of money we have spent.

You have personally attacked me all over the board, but I'm going to answer this one anyway. I am a politically incorrect CCR with NO FEAR of anyone or anything. I am direct, blunt, and don't sugar-coat my words here. Kind of like Ann Coulter. Only cuter/hotter and not as nice. :D

My values are mostly what Jesus taught. You have no idea what I actually do in my personal life. You call me racist/bigot/hateful because I despise criminal immigration, terrorists, criminals, and lazy people. I don't care what YOU think of me. Most American "Christians" are lukewarm denominationalists. The number of on-fire-for-Jesus born agains is growing by the day. :)

This thread is about healthcare. Let's get back on topic, eh? :)

Not only do you spew bile but you are now telling us that most American Christmas are lukewarm. You belong to a priveliged minority . Well, good for you.

You were the one who went off thread because you couldn't resist banging on about "crimnal aliens" yet again. Can you not think of anything more constructive and original to contribute ? Presumably not.

What's wrong with learning Spanish? Each new language expands your world, besides Spanish is quite a beautiful language.
I've learned it a few months, but quit due to university studies, I will resume my Spanish studies in autumn.

No. They're criminals. They came here illegally. :mad:

Criminal aliens and terrorists are NOT protected classes despite your love/support/defense of them. :mad:

which does not give you the right to attack them the way you do.

If we were properly committed to this war in the first place, and sent enough troops to win, as recommended by Petraeus, it would also be over.

Ever read Fiasco, By Thomas Ricks ?, Turns out planners recommended it , but were overruled by Rumsfield.

I'm curious to see what system you have in place to take care (medically) of the poor, instead of universal healthcare, where everyone bears the burden equally.

lets face the facts. a single payer universal health care system is the best way to get everyone insured.

Ever read Fiasco, By Thomas Ricks ?, Turns out planners recommended it , but were overruled by Rumsfield.

I'm curious to see what system you have in place to take care (medically) of the poor, instead of universal healthcare, where everyone bears the burden equally.

We have a patchwork system with huge gaps in coverage. The lack of low cost medical care leads to people putting off going to the doctor until the problem is critical. This means they go to the emergency room (expensive), and the illness may have progressed to a point where, what could have been taken care of with a few dollars worth of antibiotics may well require a stay in the hospital, or even worse, the ICU.

I had to go on Medical for a while in the mid '90s. I was struck ill with Grave's disease while working at a low wage/no benefits job. I was losing weight, my heart was racing, I couldn't sleep, but I was always tired. I was lucky enough to not have anything of value, because you have to sell anything of value if you have any significant assets, such as a home, boat, just about anything. I received decent care, no complaints there, but I ran up credit card debt just trying to survive when I was too sick to work. After I was feeling better, I went back to work, and found a better job that had medical benefits. Now I was making too much money to get Medical coverage, but I had to make it past the first six months before my job's medical insurance kicked in. I needed to go to the doctor to have my thyroid level checked - but I was completely broke. I had to take medication to lower my thyroid hormone level. I just kept taking the same dose, and hoped for the best. After a couple of months, I realized something was wrong. I had to borrow some money, and go to the doctor. When I was first diagnosed, I had the highest thyroid level they had ever seen, and they told me I was dangerously close to having a thyroid storm (http://www.emedicinehealth.com/thyroid_storm/article_em.htm#Thyroid%20Storm%20Overview) When they got the results back, I now had the lowest thyroid level they had ever seen. I couldn't think straight, I had no energy, and I was always cold (it didn't help that I couldn't afford to heat my apartment, and it was winter). My boss was suspecting me of being on drugs, and I had to explain the situation to him. He was a complete asshole, and very ignorant. The first thing he asked me was "Is it contagious?" They took me off of the throid hormone lowering drug, and temporarily put me on synthroid, a thyroid replacement, to jumpstart my thyroid level and get me back to normal.

My job was terrible, but I put up with it and did my best, because I had to keep the medical benefits. After finally determining that I did have Grave's ( and not thyroid cancer), they gave me a dose of radioactive iodine to kill my thyroid gland, and the crisis was over.

We can, and should, do better.

We have a patchwork system with huge gaps in coverage. The lack of low cost medical care leads to people putting off going to the doctor until the problem is critical. This means they go to the emergency room (expensive), and the illness may have progressed to a point where, what could have been taken care of with a few dollars worth of antibiotics may well require a stay in the hospital, or even worse, the ICU.

I had to go on Medical for a while in the mid '90s. I was struck ill with Grave's disease while working at a low wage/no benefits job. I was losing weight, my heart was racing, I couldn't sleep, but I was always tired. I was lucky enough to not have anything of value, because you have to sell anything of value if you have any significant assets, such as a home, boat, just about anything. I received decent care, no complaints there, but I ran up credit card debt just trying to survive when I was too sick to work. After I was feeling better, I went back to work, and found a better job that had medical benefits. Now I was making too much money to get Medical coverage, but I had to make it past the first six months before my job's medical insurance kicked in. I needed to go to the doctor to have my thyroid level checked - but I was completely broke. I had to take medication to lower my thyroid hormone level. I just kept taking the same dose, and hoped for the best. After a couple of months, I realized something was wrong. I had to borrow some money, and go to the doctor. When I was first diagnosed, I had the highest thyroid level they had ever seen, and they told me I was dangerously close to having a thyroid storm (http://www.emedicinehealth.com/thyroid_storm/article_em.htm#Thyroid%20Storm%20Overview) When they got the results back, I now had the lowest thyroid level they had ever seen. I couldn't think straight, I had no energy, and I was always cold (it didn't help that I couldn't afford to heat my apartment, and it was winter). My boss was suspecting me of being on drugs, and I had to explain the situation to him. He was a complete asshole, and very ignorant. The first thing he asked me was "Is it contagious?" They took me off of the throid hormone lowering drug, and temporarily put me on synthroid, a thyroid replacement, to jumpstart my thyroid level and get me back to normal.

My job was terrible, but I put up with it and did my best, because I had to keep the medical benefits. After finally determining that I did have Grave's ( and not thyroid cancer), they gave me a dose of radioactive iodine to kill my thyroid gland, and the crisis was over.

We can, and should, do better.

What a harrowing story you tell. It sounds like you are living in Victorian England. Things have moved on, thank goodness. such that what you have described would not have cost you a penny. When you were unable to work you would have been given a modest income to take care of your everyday outgoings such as food, heating , lighting and so on. You could have seen a doctor as often as necessary and, if your illness had warranted it, you would have been treated in hospital at no cost to yourself.

We have some people who abuse our benefits system but that is only to be expected; it comes with the territory.

What a harrowing story you tell. It sounds like you are living in Victorian England. Things have moved on, thank goodness. such that what you have described would not have cost you a penny. When you were unable to work you would have been given a modest income to take care of your everyday outgoings such as food, heating , lighting and so on. You could have seen a doctor as often as necessary and, if your illness had warranted it, you would have been treated in hospital at no cost to yourself.

We have some people who abuse our benefits system but that is only to be expected; it comes with the territory.

To be fair, I did receive disability income for the two or three months I was considered too sick to work. But it is based on the amount of money you made in the preceding year. Since I had been unemployed for part of the preceding year, the baseline was very low. Even though I lived in a very modest apartment, even the low rent and other expenses of life exceeded the amount I was given. My mother was sending me money, probably close to a thousand dollars total by the end. I was using my credit card to buy tanks of gas for my car, and occasionally groceries. And I even had friends who bought me groceries. I only spent money on the bare expenses of life, no luxuries at all. I read quite a bit to pass the time, everything from the public library of course.

You regularly hear about fund raising dinners, or other similar fund raising events, set up to help pay the medical expenses for families that have had a serious accident or illness happen, and they had no insurance. People lose their homes, businesses, family farms, and some times still end up with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.

To be fair, I did receive disability income for the two or three months I was considered too sick to work. But it is based on the amount of money you made in the preceding year. Since I had been unemployed for part of the preceding year, the baseline was very low. Even though I lived in a very modest apartment, even the low rent and other expenses of life exceeded the amount I was given. My mother was sending me money, probably close to a thousand dollars total by the end. I was using my credit card to buy tanks of gas for my car, and occasionally groceries. And I even had friends who bought me groceries. I only spent money on the bare expenses of life, no luxuries at all. I read quite a bit to pass the time, everything from the public library of course.

You regularly hear about fund raising dinners, or other similar fund raising events, set up to help pay the medical expenses for families that have had a serious accident or illness happen, and they had no insurance. People lose their homes, businesses, family farms, and some times still end up with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.


From my perspective it all sounds terribly Dickensian. It's bad enough to be seriously ill without having to worry about finding the money to pay one's way. Here, everyone in employment pays a modest amount each week/month and employers also make a contribution. The long term unemployed are also covered, so no one is left out in the cold. I cannot see why such a scheme could not work in the US, given a willingness on the part of your politicians.

What I have described is true of other European countries. France is generally recognized as being the best. We have reciprocal arrangements, so that I can be treated in another country if I become ill while I am there. I simply have to carry a card showing that I am entitled to such trearment.

Health questions for the candidates:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120346913783878607.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

I, for one, do NOT want to pay for everyone's health care. :(

75% of health care costs are spent on chronic diseases, most of them preventable. 55% of health care costs are due to smoking, poor diet, and lack of exercise. With socialized health care, my tax dollars can fund the health habits of lard asses and idiots.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/why_we_dont_get_meaningful_reform_of_medical_care/

The democrats said it didn't help the poor enough.

That's because the poor probably don't even know about it.

There's a special list in Ventura County that's for socialized medicine and that program will allow up to 10,000 applicants. It's been around for about 4-5 months now, and that list isn't even half-way filled yet. And get this, anyone who makes under $45,000 dollars (which is practically most people) can get it free with no monthly payments, otherwise you pay something like $50 or $100 once a year depending on whether you make 100-135% of 45k or 136-200% of 45k. And all the visits are cheaper than most other places too. $0 for a Preventative Health Visit, $15 for an Office Visit, $20 for a Specialty Consult, $5 Pharmacy, $50 Hospital OB Admission, $20 Urgent Care, $50 Emergency Room, Hospital Admission is $100 total for the first 5 days and $25 every day after that with a max bill of $500. Even takes care of optometry too.

If anyone that lives in Ventura County needs some free health insurance, I'll help hook ya up.

- N

It is NOT the gov's job to provide health care for losers who won't buy their own.

Sorry, that's from one of your other threads, but I just had to add in one thing. Screw having to pay for health care. Do you know where your property tax money goes to? You know, the one where you gotta pay five friggin thousand dollars (unless you lucked out and kept Prop 13 and haven't moved or bought a new home so you save 1000%) a year to keep your own you may already own? Well most of the money from property tax goes towards your local hospitals. Everyone already pays to keep the hospitals running, added fees is bullshit. You say it's not the governments job to give people health care, and no, it's not, cause we're doing it ourselves and are the ones paying for people to go to the hospital in the first place thanks to our ungodly high property tax costs. Heck, all home owners should be given free health care cause of that. Without the Oo0o0oo, rich people, erm, I mean anyone who owns a home, people wouldn't have a hospital to go to!

- N

Where I come from the poor pay a higher percentage of their income toward property taxes than the rich, and most of those property taxes go to the schools.

The US is the only country on earth where literate, adult, successful, employed people are willing to pay 50 - 100% more for their own medical care in order to deny medical care to others. A truly bizarre situation.