In a land of opportunity, the US does not offer its people the adequate service to sustain a healthy lifestyle economy. It would seem that an ideal such as finding life on other planets would be second to excellent health care entitlements that can help improve the economy due to more healthier, focused mind of a society that is backed up with such a positive system. Here in Australia we can easily afford medications and appointments due to our excellent health care standards. And because of this people fear sickness less and get on with their day to day errands. For a massive economy such as America, it should be priority to spend taxes on something that is a more immediate threat for the people of America. Billions and billions are pouring into the space program and the war against terror and at the same time, the homeless are climbing in their numbers and lower income families or idividuals face what would seem a chaos entity within the US politcal agenda. Can America make the next millenia ? What do you think ?
Well, socialism might be a fine method of government, but we, in the US, prefer the free enterprise system (as much as possible!). With socialism, I keep wondering why someone should have to pay taxes to help someone else who could or should be able to do it on their own. I mean, if people are so concerned about the welfare of others, why don't they help them privately ....why FORCE others to help when they don't want to help? If someone in my family or one of my close friends were having problems, I'd help them. If everyone did that, then the only people that would need outside help would be those who had virtually no family or friends. In which case, maybe we could all take up a collection of them? Socialism, by it's very nature, slowly becomes unmanageably large and unwieldy. At some point, the government begins to pay for everything ...EVERYTHING... so where does all that money come from? Or are you going to force people to work and pay taxes??? Ahh! Socialism sounds good when you only view it from a limited or narrow focus. When you examine it thoroughly, it sucks as a system of economics or as a governmental system. >"Here in Australia we can easily afford medications and appointments due to our excellent health care standards."< I've heard that there are problems with the Aussie healthcare system ...ya' mean it ain't true? I've heard that the system is becoming unwieldy and overly large ...without adequate money to handle it. Which means new/larger taxes on those who work for a living. Baron Max
The only things I want from my federal government is that it protect us from foreign threats, keep things orderly here at home, and keep the gears of society running. I don't expect healthcare, social security, or most of the crap they have themselves messing with. Taking care of myself is my own burden, not theirs.
Clockwood Well said. I would add that if it were possible I would rather have my own army defending my own parcel of land with my own guns and tanks. Privatize the armed forces, I say. It’ll create a better more efficient fighting force that is loyal to specific groups of Americans. Every American should be growing his own food, building his own transportation system and training his own doctors. The role of the government should be restricted to preventing those commie bastards from changing the system. Baron Max Right on. People helping people against their will is un-American and unchristian. If some rich dudes want to start a fund raiser and help out a few bums, once in a while, over Champagne and caviar then that’s their business. They shouldn’t be forced to give money which they would rather spend on private airplanes, $5000 suits, golfing vacations in the Bahamas, and Ralph Loren merchandise. I want to buy my X-Box games, stuff my face with KFC and if any money is left over, I can consider giving it to the lazy bastard on the street. I shouldn’t be obliged to do so. It’s every man for him self. We aren’t socialist Canadians here. Imagine that. Wanting to belong to a group where everyone cares for each other is down right anti-social and wrong. I want to belong to a group where my rights and my stuff are defended and taken care for and the rest of them can go to hell. If my daddy was smart enough to leave me a fortune, why should I waste it by helping others? If I was smart enough to play the game and make myself wealthy, why should I pay for someone else’s bad fortune or stupidity? It’s just logic, man. Forgive their ignorance Baron Max. They lack our real world experiences and our well thought out idealisms. And I heard the Catholic Church is going through some problems. I say scuttle it all. It isn’t working, tear it down.
hey Wanderer, i can better you. just got this idea, dont know if you'll agree. ,,,,,kill all the poor?..what do you think? then that'll be that sorted. then the rich people, and the comfortable people wont have anything to be against hehe...would LOVe to see that. who'd be next?
duendy Good point. If you think about it being poor isn’t much of a life anyways. Do they have a big-screen TV? Do they have a nice car? Can they go to Paris and watch some faggot display his fashion collection on a personal jet? Can he hire bodyguards and enclose his mansion in a walled fortress? Do people envy him? Kill the poor. Or make them infertile so that they no longer reproduce.
its not that it costs alot its because the system is broken. Or system we must pay for help. But if some one comes in they cant say sorry no pay no help. So they give then help then charge everyone else more to get there money back. example my grandmother was at a hospital in south texas just across the boarder for a blood test was there for 2 hours and was charged 4,000 dollers. When she asked why the attendent pointed to the door next to her and said thats the reason you are paying 4,000 bucks for what should have only cost 150. Granny looked though the little window and there was around 60 illigial imigrents in the waiting room.
So that’s why medicine is more expensive in the USA than in Canada? They got no illegal immigrant up therein Eskimo land. Who would want to live in such a socialist, gay country anyways? Do they even have satellite TV up there? Let’s face it the US is a bum magnet. Every wretched, dark skinned Muslim wants to come and live here. Then they bad mouth America. Does any other nation on Earth even have an illegal immigration problem? Uhhhh….No! Guess why? I always thought it was the uncontrolled lobbying power of the drug companies and the protectionist laws of the US government -which should intervene on behalf of good, noble, red blooded companies but not in any other case – that created artificial costs. You learn something every day.
Listen you are being reactionary. So we came here and slaughtered millions of them in one of the largest genocides in human history. We prefer to focus on the Jewish Holocaust though. It makes for better TV. So what? Are we supposed to support them forever now? Let them bend over and take it up the ass just like we did. Let them prostitute themselves and become wealthy just like us. Let them spend their lives earning the money to buy color toasters and barbeques on their own. Let them get their own good lives, just like we did.
Doubtful. Why should you expect it to last a thousand years? That's the stuff of propaganda. Nations rise. Nations fall. They sure as hell don't last. And expecting them to last a millenia is unfair even in the past when time was slower than it is today. Well. Hell. Once we start colonizing other planets we can ship all the bums off to other planets and in the meantime we can ship them off to fight the war on terror. What's the prob, Bob? Seriously. It's funny how you're equating space exploration with the 'War on Terror'. As if they were connected somehow. The war on terror is retarded but space exploration is a necessity. We must get off this rock. There is no optional component to this. We must colonize space to survive. Period. There must be a balance between short term and long term goals. While nationalized healthcare would be nice, it only seems that way because of the rampant price gouging that we are subject to right now. If the prices were down to a human level then no one would even consider sacrificing an efficient healthcare system to a nationalized, bureaucratic one. The problem is complex but I would blame frivolous lawsuits and even not-so-frivolous lawsuits for much of the problem. Doctors and hospital pay out their ass for malpractice insurance. So, they hike their rates so that people can't even afford to go the hospital unless they have insurance. The insurance companies get paid on both ends and it is in their best interests to spiral the prices up higher and higher thus forcing more and more people to see insurance as a necessity for life. There is no option to not have insurance these days. You must have insurance if you want healthcare. This thing about illegal immigrants being the reason for high medical costs is... just fucking retarded. Now you know. And knowing is half the battle.
Why not? Would you approve that same system for, say, a new car dealer? ..a poor person comes in and wants a car, the dealer just gives him one, they charges all of the rest of us for that car??? What's the fuckin' difference? How 'bout a grocery store? ...a poor family comes in and wants some food, so the store just loads 'em up with food, then charges all of the rest of us for that food and costs??? What's the fuckin' difference? We ain't no damned socialist nation and we should quit trying to act like one while trying to maintain the cloak of free-enterprise and personal freedoms. The two systems simply can't exist together!!! Baron Max
The US isn't a totally free market, and there can never be one. For any market to succeed, there need to be controls. We aren't entirely socialist either, but something in between. It's good for business that the more wealthy contribute to help the poor, because that way, we help the poor people step up to middle class, where they can participate in markets. The fallacy of the Republicans is in thinking the poor want to stay poor and live off the state because they are lazy. The fact is Republicans deliberately produce poor people like a product because they are easier to control, and more easily recruited into the armed forces. The Republicans call for every man for themselves, and then go to the church which describes a philosophy where everyone is your brother, and everyone helps out the needy. They do this to feel good about themselves, while the reality is they are total hypocrites. Jesus would be a liberal. But, we do that already, although we tax people with adequate incomes and buy the groceries, and then give them to the poor. It's alot cheaper than the poor people rioting in the streets, and taking what they need in order to continue living. Freedom also means freedom from corporate oppression. The corporation is in interesting and useful invention, but rarely compassionate or altruistic, and if they are, it's a marketing ploy. It's sole motive is profit. If left unchecked, corporations would gladly steal from the future of this planet for profits today. Want to know where we'd be without regulation of commerce? Read some Charles Dickens. They already did, somewhat. The forces in Iraq are full of mercenaries. The problem with this is that they are loyal to their employer, not the country. But, I know you're just being sarcastic. There's no way you really believe what you are saying.
If we revamped the welfare system, imigration system, health care systems. Fixed all the little loop holes. Stoped people from poping across the boarder to have kids. Stop paying people 500 bucks per kid they have per month on welfare. Unless life threating don't let illigals get health care unless they pay. put a 1 million dollor fine on any company that uses illigal imegrents as labor for each infraction. Illigales found in the states should be put in a work camp for 3 months for first infraction. After 3 months of free hard labor they are sent back to there country. Each offence after that doubles the last infractions sentance. Put a bounty system into effect where by for every illigale that is turned in and found to be guilty the tipster gets 50 bucks. If the workcamps go into effect. I would also say fence and put landmines and sentuary guns up on the boarder but the tree huggers would get a little mad. Would also put a 5 cent tax to the company for every call made to a call center outside the USA that is providing some kind of tech support/sales/service. There is nothing worst then trying to understand some one that does not speak english as a primary language. Would also put a tax on research and development for computer programs that are going to be sold in the USA. Somthing that makes the indian 5 doller a hour programer look a little less atractive for outsorsing. Ya I can't spell or use grammer 8) dislexia is a pain and I'm to lazy to use a spell checker. Make those changes and you might turn the good old USA round.
The fact is, if you are working for your economy, the person next to you (whether they are rich or poor) is apart of the annual outcome. As a democratic free for all society we cannot see the fact that because people want to live a life of their own, they dont deserve healthcare. If it was more affordable and subsidised from the government, then maybe that homelss person or "lower class" family will be healthy enough to get a job or tend to personal issues adequately. And not have to worry about getting depressed because you are struggling to make it in an advanced democratic society. The fact is, we should be carign for each other more and more as we get into the future because we face issues such as population growth and intense commercialisation. How can you bless your flag or president or prime minister if you are too sick to stand up for the national anthem just because you happened to be that one person who got a ruff end in life. We cannot tend to the higher order of the heirachy constantly, it wont work, they are a minority that live the life of someone who (most of the time) would not have a clue what it is like to strive to cook your own food and work long arduos hours for minimal income.
Yeah, everyone want's to be their own king or at least a feudal lord. The problem is that you would then become the defacto govenment and thus nothing will have changed. You would also be an easy target because you and your little posse wouldn't stand a chance against any third world nation with a surplus russian tank and some AK-47s. Hell... they can keep this rock and I will take the rest of the universe. Just like when the colonists left for the new world.
What morals or lessons or dignity does going to another planet proove ? It prooves that we put our curiosity and fantasised images before our own planet. We must heal and change our ways in order to feel the real intelligence in our evolution, going to the moon did nothing for the human race besides prooving a point. Our strength is not as strong as our stupidity.
Our planet is merely another place to live. Spread everywhere and your suvival is assured. Morals and dignity are only tools to the end of suvival.
Clockwood Exactly. That’s why we should kill anyone who doesn’t share them. My dignity involves protecting my home, my family and my nation. I will not tolerate anyone interfering in my affairs. I’ll even invade another’s home to prove it. I’ll teach him how to live the good, dignified, moral life or kill him trying to. That’s my credo. Tell me about it. I learned that the hard way. My posse and I spend a few harrowing weeks in a desert encampment, when we were abducted by a third world nation with AK-47’s. I enjoyed the whipping, because I was into that stuff beforehand, but the golden showers were over the top. You do not want to be pissed on by an Arab that’s just had garlic with his meal.
