I will make this brief, but I've had my fill of this forum. I don't know how you have the gall to call this an intelligent community, when intelligence is such a rarity here. All people do here, is insult one another. No one seems to be interested in discussion, but rather, promoting and enforcing their own agenda. In fact this stems from the roots of the institution that runs this forum. Moderators, are running around astray, editing and deleting posts inappropriately, while having double standards, for the people they support.

The administration themselves, have already forced their agenda, by catagorizing UFO's, advanced physics, and unexplained phenomena, as pseudoscience. And feel, that calling it this, only pacifies the rest of the members, who sneer at it. Pathetic. Pathetic. Pathetic.

I will give you my honest opinion: This is a pathetic pseudo forum, with pathetic geeks who have pathetic attitudes and pathetic minds. This itself becomes evident, when these pathetic nobodies, sling mud at accomplished, renown, and highly educated and respected men.

So, I'm out, I will not waste moments of my life on such a pathetic forum, that do not even have the decency or the capacity to be sensible, honest, mature, and warm to others. You only prove how primitive and ignorant this human species is. Goodbye.

So long, sorry to disappoint, please give my regards to Zeta Reticuli.

Hang on Mikey;
You are correct in some ways, yet give reason the lead here and you may discover the WHY this and many other popular forums are like this.

Welcome to the real world, the real war.

Craterchains,

Yes, the world is like this, and that is a very sad truth of this primitive humanity, and what is going to happen to it, is probably deserved. People, are more content in living lies, than knowing the truth. It is very sad, but it really is not their fault, it's because of the flaws in their mental mark-up. You can now understand, why a higher intelligence would treat us like animals.

I'm so sad for you, mikey.

And they have you again in that you think they are of a “higher intelligence”. When in reality it is our many qualities that are of great concern. Note the lack of humility, compassion, appreciation, and so on. It is not their mental make up that makes “them” different from us, but it is the EMOTIONAL qualities we possess that they do not.

Our ability to learn is so vast that in our 70-80 year life (which should be limitless and will be) we use but a very small portion of our brains. Don’t sell humanity short, many are called, but few get chosen. Not all get the calling to learn the rest of the story.

Mikey, what you are attributing to humans may not necessarily be the humans. The lack of mentality most likely is not human. The constant put downs, hammering at humans like you have witnessed at this forum is what the human race has experienced for years and years. Just because one does not have the stamina to continue the fight to get their ideas across and keep searching for the truth is not a flaw. It is the result of this constant chipping away at us humans.

CrazeyMikey:
Moderators, are running around astray, editing and deleting posts inappropriately, while having double standards, for the people they support.

Prove it. This thread is closed! LOL! Haha. No, it's not. Just kidding.

Craterchains, I understand, not all of humanity is primitive, but you will be hard-pressed to find such people. Humans are too self-absorbed and ignorant. I personally do not blame any individual or group of individuals for our shortcomings, I blame humanity as a collective entity, and any evils and wrongs are just manifestations of what is intrinsic to us.

So I implore you, to not discriminate, and accept our shortcomings. Even you, and I, are responsible for the degredation of our species. We unknowingly, wreck havoc on our planet's ecosystem and animals, for our own selfish needs.

On those grounds, how can you hold a higher intelligence accountable, for being selfish?

Maybe you do those things Mikey, I do not. But I have learned that the loser ETI's here on earth would have us believe that. It is always a personal choice we make. My choice is to learn, apply and move on with the program. Much of the harm done to our home planet is directly attributable to those looser ETI's and their influence. True, most of mankind is not going to survive this coming transition that is shortly to take place. They made their choices as to what they wanted to do with their lives, just as I have chosen what to do with mine.

Craterchains: Are you non vegeterian? Have you ever donated to the poor and needy? Do you drive? Have you ever had a pet? Ever used CFC's? Wore animal clothing? Ever hurt someone on power trips? Discriminated and generalized against people?

Hey Mikey!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Give my regards to ET.

Twit.

:D

An 'intelligent' community would be a bit more selective and intolerant in its approach with members in order to cultivate a BS-free environment. Of course, that is not the general attitude of the moderators so you'll have to put up with the flies.

Lucid, crazymikey. Tis a common affair amongst many and probably most online forums. I suspect a different form of communication will come about due to human volition to find something that works. I suspect that and hope for it and maybe will prove helpful it getting it going. In the mean time, at least, we live in interesting times.

Crazymikey : What you say is true. Only the true imbecile would come to an online forum for intellectual stimulation. Disengage. and fuse with the angst.

I'm just amused that it's taken him over 490 posts to supposedly 'figure' all this out.:D

So I implore you, to not discriminate, and accept our shortcomings.

Discriminated and generalized against people?

Oh you must be joking... I have been witness to you discriminating and making MANY generalisations against many in the religious forum. Shame you haven't taken your own advice.

You can now understand, why a higher intelligence would treat us like animals.
So are you going for the studded or diamante collar when the aliens arrive? :D

You don't like us 'cos we don't belive you.
Yes we can be a hard bunch of bastards but we are honest.
If you need help to prop up your belief system then perhaps you should shop elsewhere.

Bye Now!
Dee Cee

It is Pseudoscience.
Not all sciences have been widely accepted by the general public.

Weather the science is true or not, unless it has already been categorized, and approved by whatever officials, it is considered Pseudoscience.

The 2 categories are as follows:
Approved Sciences: might eventually turn out false, but generally accepted.
Unapproved Sciences: still in the stages of approval. May or may not eventually be approved as generally accepted.

Looks like our dear mikey's traumatic against ads...... lol

I almost forgot about this topic.

I'm sorry for that bout of anger you witnessed. I was just very frustrated. I have decided to stay on. However, it is true, I am quite perturbed with the attitude to UFO investigation and alterative theories of science. I do not ask too much, but I ask people to be a bit more open and respectful to these fields. Our scientific understanding of the universe is far from complete, so let's keep our options open.

Cool skill

Pseudo(false)science is a derogative label, and it not all encompassing of the types of sciences; anti-gravity; vacuum energy; string theory - that have accepted scientific basis. It is a form of scientific racism, to shun these sciences, and it's proponents as crakpots.

Scientific paradigms are always changing. What we consider to be accurate and adequate today, will not be tomorrow. Hence, we should be open-minded and impartial to all scientific theory.

Like some medicine is not accepted by mainstream scientists, however, it is not called pseudomedicine; it's called alternative medicine. Similarily, what is wrongly called pseudoscience - should be called alternative science.

We would be more open to discussion if you might acknowledge that there is, to date, no hard scientific evidence to support your beliefs. Everything presented so far is anecdotal - unable to be tested by scientific methods.

:m: Peace.

I am not going to get into the "no evidence" and "anecdotal" fallacy here. I simply ask for an open-mind and some respect for the issue. I am not asking too much.

I thought you were leaving, crazymikey. Stick to your word and never post here again. You might as well, because if you continue to linger I will probaby ban you for your total lack of integrity.

Porfiry - you can go ahead and ban me if you wish. It is your forum, and you can do anything you want, you've made that pretty clear.

Although others will ask you, why I was banned, when all I had was an opinion, and when people who do far more worse, are not.

I have decided to stay on, because of people asking me to stay, and continue to provide information on ETI. Whatever you wish to do, is up to you. It's your right, as it's your forum. However ,those who wanted me to stay on are not going to be happy if you do. And those who know many people worthy of being banned, and have not, are not going to take well to your rule either.

He stated already why he might ban you. And he might be quite right to do so. First you play cry baby and say you will never return and then you don't.

You'd better explain nicely why you changed your mind.

I simply ask for an open-mind and some respect for the issue.Which is where you have false presumptions regarding the beliefs of many here. Many of us do believe that there are other intelligences in the universe. But we have seen no hard evidence to support that belief.I am not asking too much.And giving nothing in return.

:m: Peace.

spuriousmonkey, I am not going to fight to remain here. I will continue to contribute to this forum, as I do, in fact more than some, untill I am banned. Then I'll leave.

I believe I already explained why I changed my mind; because I was asked to stay by people, including people I don't even talk too. I also was not in my full senses, when I made this topic, I was very angry. My reasons were not wrong however, it was just the way I expressed them. It is actually true, there is lot of ad-hom attacks, mud slinging and fanataicism against "pseudoscience" it is also true some moderators are using double standards and editing and deleting our posts at their whims. So I was right to be perturbed. However I was not right to slam the entire forum, for which I apologise.

There is nothing more I am going to say. The rest is up to the owner of this forum.

.......

Talk about loyalty to own's forum................

I come from another forum from which I was banned on account of too much loyalty. They said I posted too much (I probably did, but I wasn't doing it just to increase the number of posts on my post-o-meter). In totaly, I posted approx. 1,667 times in 5 months.

I come here to gain knowledge, and hopefully, and not kill anyone with my infinite ignorance.

You'll mostly find me in the Philosophy section (maybe a little in the Religion section, too).

I just want to express my saddness in seeing people slam there own forum. Let me tell you, this forum (and PhilosophyForums.com) are probably the only two good intellectual forums around.

Thanks! ;)

Crazymikey, what better way to test your theories then this forum? If your theory survives the brutal attacks then you'll be on your way to a wonderful revelation.

Quit being so emotional about these stuff, it aint that important that you should have a coronary over.

Peace

Talk about loyalty to own's forum................

I come from another forum from which I was banned on account of too much loyalty. They said I posted too much (I probably did, but I wasn't doing it just to increase the number of posts on my post-o-meter). In totaly, I posted approx. 1,667 times in 5 months.

I come here to gain knowledge, and hopefully, and not kill anyone with my infinite ignorance.

You'll mostly find me in the Philosophy section (maybe a little in the Religion section, too).

I just want to express my saddness in seeing people slam there own forum. Let me tell you, this forum (and PhilosophyForums.com) are probably the only two good intellectual forums around.

Thanks! ;)
Huh? I wasn't aware I was slamming this forum. And I assumed that most people would have gotten the sarcasm from that post. :p

Mikey seems to forget:

Although others will ask you, why I was banned

No problem, we'll simply refer them to these statements that are clearly self explanatory:

The administration themselves, have already forced their agenda, by catagorizing UFO's, advanced physics, and unexplained phenomena, as pseudoscience. And feel, that calling it this, only pacifies the rest of the members, who sneer at it. Pathetic. Pathetic. Pathetic.

I will give you my honest opinion: This is a pathetic pseudo forum, with pathetic geeks who have pathetic attitudes and pathetic minds. This itself becomes evident, when these pathetic nobodies, sling mud at accomplished, renown, and highly educated and respected men.

I have decided to stay on, because of people asking me to stay

There is no indication on this thread of anyone asking you to stay.

Huh? I wasn't aware I was slamming this forum. And I assumed that most people would have gotten the sarcasm from that post. :p

Opps! My bad, Bells! Sorry about that. I read over the posts way too hasitly.

BTW:
Have you ever been known as "Flighty-Mouse" on another Forum, by any chance? Just curious........... ;)

I have decided to stay on, because of people asking me to stay

There is no indication on this thread of anyone asking you to stay.

Hey Q,
I was one of the people who asked Mikey to stay on in a PM I sent to him. He is harmless and reminds me of a member of my family...so I wanted him to stay. If you want to get rid of someone, get rid of that less than human pile of s#@* boombox!

Peace,
Padma

Crazymikey,

When the mothership comes to save us -- guess who's *not* invited?

Mothership?

I didn't get an invitation.

I guess... I... *sniff*

:(

You can still talk to the the Greys (http://www.watchingyou.com/deadgrey.html) (there's a secret war on, you know). Not only do they have a Mother-****er ship (lookout, Mikey), they're going to vaporize Crawford next time POTUS is in town. And if you're interested, I hear they're starting to get bored with looking up cows' asses.

Opps! My bad, Bells! Sorry about that. I read over the posts way too hasitly.

BTW:
Have you ever been known as "Flighty-Mouse" on another Forum, by any chance? Just curious........... ;)
Ermm no.. I go by another name on that other forum :D

And we ermmm shouldn't really be discussing other forums on here. I think it might be construed as advertising. :p

Similarily, what is wrongly called pseudoscience - should be called alternative science.

But isn't "alternate" simply another way of saying "not the real thing?"

Just because you disagree with the definition and classifications of pseudoscience doesn't make your belief system correct. The reason most UFO/ETI claims get classified as pseudoscience is because of the methodology they follow (or, more accurately, fail to follow). There are some researchers that have done and are doing good research into the UFO/ETI phenomena. Project Hessdalen (http://www.hessdalen.org/index_e.shtml) is a good example.

Also, so-called alternative medicine is frequently referred to as pseudoscience, here is but one example: http://www.quackwatch.org/s/beyerstein.html

As I've told you in the past, if your hypotheses of UFO/ETI are so solid, why not post them in the "Astronomy, exobiology, & Cosmology" forum. Afterall, exobiology would be ETI, right?

Also, one can be "open-minded and impartial to all" hypotheses without losing critical reasoning and skepticism. Being skeptical isn't a bad thing, it is a wise thing. If skepticism didn't exist, Snake Oil would be on the shelves next to dishwashing liquid on one aisle and next to hot sauce on another.

Crazymikey, what better way to test your theories then this forum? If your theory survives the brutal attacks then you'll be on your way to a wonderful revelation.

Quit being so emotional about these stuff, it aint that important that you should have a coronary over.

Peace

I don't mind if we humour ETI/UFO in good faith. After all, let's enjoy ourselves. All I want, it's not a big request, is respect and open-mind for the matter - that does not mean you agree with it. If you honestly are incapable of doing this, which is naturally expected from sensible people, then how could you call or think of yourself as "intelligent"

Around 8 million Americans have seen UFO. Millions have been abducted. Hundreds of thousands have not been explained. So please try and understand, why UFO researchers do take this seriously :)

Also, one can be "open-minded and impartial to all" hypotheses without losing critical reasoning and skepticism. Being skeptical isn't a bad thing, it is a wise thing. If skepticism didn't exist, Snake Oil would be on the shelves next to dishwashing liquid on one aisle and next to hot sauce on another.

Last time I checked, your "criticial reasoning and skepticism" was calling the entire subject bullshit, and all ETI/UFO proponents, cultists and fanatics :) That does not sound like "critical reasoning and skepticism to me" that sounds like an uneducated opinion.

Perhaps I was hasty. I'm willing to revise my hypotheses when evidence dictates...

The "entire subject" of UFO/ETI is not bullshit, nor are all the proponents cult members and fanatics.

I will publically revise that statement to say: most of the UFO/ETI subject is bullshit and many of the proponents are unconscious members of a religious movement comprised of many sub-cults.

Just for interest sake, SkinWalker try reading some of Dr. Salla's papers.
Dr. Salla's papers (http://www.exopolitics.org/Study-Papers.htm)

Not that I agree with Dr. Salla's main premise of a demonocracy sovereignty but he does put the pieces together in a very readable and understandable fashion
:D

From the good Dr. Salla's paper - yeah right, this is plausible:

There is compelling evidence that in the early 1930’s, the technology and presence of one or more extraterrestrial (ET) races became known to the leaders of Nazi Germany who embarked on an ambitious effort to communicate with these races for the purpose of acquiring their advanced technology. Using communication techniques that would be widely dismissed today as ‘psychic channeling’, there is evidence that the Nazi sponsorship of occult societies that specialized in this form of communication with these ET races, was successful in gaining information that produced rapid technological breakthroughs that eventually came to the attention of the intelligence services of Britain, France, USSR and the USA. While predictably dismissive of such esoteric practices by the Nazi regime, each of the intelligence services of these major states initiated efforts to attain whatever intelligence information they could gain on the purported Nazi communication methods with an ET race(s) while monitoring the ‘ET inspired’ technology being developed by Nazi Germany.

Funny how Hitler never mentioned this in Mein Kampf.

Q, could you please include from which paper of Dr. Salla's this is from and what the main premise of that paper is. Rather than just pick at random a quote.
snickers :D

Sure, its from this bit of nonsense here:

http://www.exopolitics.org/SP-6-intro.htm

Oh this is cute, I love it. Q do you come when your called too?
:D

Woof! Woof!

Squeak sniff sniff ***waddles away***

I have to partially agree to the title of this thread. Sciforums were much more intelligent (imho) a few years ago than they are now, but they are better now than they were some 6 months ago, so... I don't think it's that bad. One of the reasons why Avatar has decided to come back.
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anyways the World Events and Politics are as usual - a free rant zone, maybe because it's a lot more easier to try to prove someone wrong on political ideas than science.

One can't really get fired up on the nature of a probability distribution.


It just don't work that way, Joe.