Does such a website exist? I'd be interested in an encyclopedia of sorts, about the universe that Tolkien created.

i know that you're looking for help.
but i need help.
what is the name of the witch-king?
it's on the tip of my tongue and i
can't seem to remember it.

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Ultimate Resource: try greenbooks.com. It's not even close, but hey- maybe that's my purpose.
Nah, I've got to help the Elves who missed the boat get to Valinor.
But maybe I'll have a little spare time along the way...

Ahem.
There is not resource, but come to me with your questions... I can name anything. Almost anything about the movie, too. But mostly the books.
*tear*

Although I don't know the witch-king thing. Don't judge me by this. I mean, how many people do you run into that know the Lord of the Eagles in the first age???

I don't think it's fair to judge LOTR by PJ's rendition of it. I mean, cheers to him and all, but it'd be bloody impossible to put Middle-earth on screen.
Also- I commend him for excellent casting. Except for Liv. 200 minutes of Orlando Bloom... hey, what can I say, it's an affliction.

I'm still upset by the Tom Bombadil/Evil Faramir thing. Sigh.

PJ was a little out of line messing with Tolkien's world, but he did what he could. You've gotta commend the guy for that.

Hey- anyone know what the bushy thingy is? [:m:]. Oh. I see. Marijuana.
Well, it's cool looking.
Don't worry. I'm not a pothead. Too busy being a freak for that.
Ah well, cheers, I've got to go now if I don't want to be bloody murdered by the squirrels.
[i.e. my parents who want me to do more constructive things with my time, like say vandalizing a tree. That what you had in mind, eh Mum? Didn't think so. That wasn't me, though. I didn't write FRODO LIVES on a tree. Nivao didn't help me either. But for future reference- I call my parents the squirrels, a.k.a. the root of all things evil.]
Ah well, cheers. I've got to leave. NOW, says the squirell with the spatula... you know, I think I'll listen to her.

Peace, my friends, and please post. I like to connect with freaks like myself.
Not like freak is a bad thing.

And by the way- anyone catch that Bulls game last night? Gotta love the short guy. Can't believe the won.
[hint: I was there.]

Namarie!

Well, the reason that I couldn't type just now is that I was talking to Niudo on the phone. And we WERE NOT plotting the next occasion in which we will vandalize a tree. So stop accusing us.

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Might be some spoilers. Bloody sorry.

Captain Faramir of Gondor, reporting for duty. I think I'll turn corrupted and ruin the world until you pep-talk me and Trisha* tries to take the Ring and then I'll say 'then it is forfeit buh-bye'.
SO. NOT. RIGHT.
Okay, there's a little thing called GUIDELINES. A little thing called LINES YOU DON'T CROSS. A little thing called LIMITS WHEN YOU MESS WITH THE TOLKIENESQUE WORLD.
Okay?
Okay.
Ahem, he's the YOUNGER, WISER, UNDERAPPRECIATED son. Denethor hates him 'cause he's not a blood-sucking power-hungry retard. But then, Denethor's practically mental.
See, Faramir's like good ol' Bombadil- he knows about the ring and understands it, therefore does not want it. There are some lines, PJ. Some lines that can never be crossed. Bloody hypocrite.
I mean, no one's perfect but- support me, fellow-freaks- this is a bit much. Frodo could have just stumbled into Osgiliath, he didn't have to be TAKEN there. Get it through you bloody thick skulls.
And Galadriel.
They make her out all EVIL. Love her clothes- sleeves to the knees all the way.
But see, that's the thing. Galadriel wants the ring so she can save her home. If the ring is, say, destroyed in Mt. Doom, Lothlorien, built on Nenya's power, would cease to exist. So she doesn't want to take that chance. Lorien is too perfect, too lovely. She nearly has a freaking nervy b when Frodo offers her the Ring.
And now, a word from my friend the marijuana leaf: :m:
Sorry. But I'm of the Elvish. COU*not really*GH.
I mean, if the squirrels knew about my marijuana-leaf-smilie obsession, they'd go nuts. Not as in acorns. I mean, they reacted SO negatively to the whole bloody Orlando Bloom thing...
I must go. Cheers!


*See, the Nazgul have FLYING STEEDS with out bloody names. But they've mums, haven't they? And anything with a mum has a name. So I figure that they're called Shirts. Wraiths! Wraiths on Shirts! You know.
And you can't just go HEY SHIRT because you know, something with THAT kind of fighting power isn't gonna take so lightly to being lumped into one solid group. Talk about stereotypes.
So the one that's there in Osgiliath trying to take the ring, that's Trisha. Nathan is Angmar's steed- not until the third movie SPOILER IN SILVER:[the one Eowyn takes on]. Then there's Joey, circling over the dead marshes, and in no particular order there's Jed, Jeb, Ned, and Kimmy, plus some others.

Niudo...you...oddball you....

Welcome to sciforums, the both of you, Niudo and Nivao. I can't say that I had any real questions, I just wanted to gradually peruse the universe, see its extent, etc. And I agree, Tom Bombadil should have been in the movie. There are few things cooler than a man in a yellow hat jumping around the forest singing about his wife.

As far as I can see, there's only one bad thing with Middle-earth. No pizza.
Imagine trying to order Domino's from THAT joint! It's just not happening.
And one other thing: not that I've got anything against the hobbits. I mean, Dom and Billy and Sean- they rule! And Lij ain't so bad, not really, anyway. But the ONLY REASON he got the point is cause he's so bloody short and he can roll his eyes back in his head.
Cheers!

Nivao
The Witch-king of Angmar was the Lord of the Nazgul (ringwraiths). Known as the 'High Nazgul' Tolkien gives no name to the Witch-king but states that he was a king of the Easterlings at the time of the forging of the rings.
Hope this helps.

So what else do you all wanna know?
Dee Cee

Dee Cee,

I figured that out after consulting with my fellow geeks. But thank you. Had I not known that, you would have been of great assistance.

Question:
If you could live in Middle-earth (the Undying Lands do not count), what would be your choice of home, and what would be your summer home? What species.

Although I would be an elf, I would live in Edoras, and Minas Tirith would be my summer home.

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

I would be an elf. Kickin' me out of the bloody Undying Lands? Valinor, I weep for you.
Definitely Lorien, or Fangorn [run into any cute elves lately?]. Mirkwood would be my summer home.
But I wouldn't stay put. If I was in Middle-earth, I'd be all over. Well, if I pass geoggers, that is. And if I was beautiful and tapped into Eowyn/Galadriel's wardrobe. Because Liv's the only one who can get away with prosthetic [spelled wrong] lips and lippy. Honestly.
Ah well, cheers.

Thank you for reconizing my- er- shall-we-say-talent. There is the whole Mrs. Evil-Neighbours thing, but we really don't have to get into that right now, do we?
Thank you for- uh- appreciating my twisted sense of humour. It's all I've got. As far as I'm concered, you complimented me. So cheers to that!

I'm glad some other people are FINALLY reading this thread. It's SO underappreciated, don't you think?
Ah well, cheers.

Now, PJ, you're bloody wonderful, but honestly. MUST you insist on killing Haldir? I nearly bloody cried!
Sigh. Cheers.

I thought the scene where he died was pretty cool.

I'd live in the Tower of Orthanc and have my summer home in Near Harad. Two very cool places. Yes, yes it was a complement!

In fair Gondolin I would dwell.
Great will be the fall of Gondolin!
Aftertimes I would venture East over the Blue Mountains to the wastes of Rhun ere I would await the coming of the Blue Wizards of the Ishtari.:D :m:

Dee Cee

Hello everyone. I have nothing to say.
Does anyone else agree that Liv Tyler bloody sucks? Come on now, she STOOD near Aragorn. That's it.
And, and, she was totally hitting on Orlando... and while that's great and all, can I say bloody GRRR?
Thank you for obligating.
Someone check into this thread and read this and REPLY because I bloody like talking to you all.
Well, cheers then.

Well then I guess I don't need to say much else.
You all fully understand my situation, right? You know, still buzzing but must sleep to avoid death by squirrels. It's not a fun life. So I have nothing to say. Sigh. Ah well. Cheers!

I don't see what's wrong with Liv. Her part isn't very big, she did well with what she had. As I recall, she didn't have a single line with Legolas....hmm....

Well, not with his character, but she was hitting on him in real life. I just have signifigant bloody problems with her.
I won't take time explaining.
Cheers then.

That's right, I've bloody returned.
I really haven't much to talk about, so... I'll ask your opinion.

I've got this great book, called Master of Middle-earth, obviously about Tolkien, right? Well, a lot of it is supporting the fact that Middle-earth might've [might STILL] have existed.
I know that I'm obviously mad, but does anyone agree that it could be a possibility? That it is, technically, possible?
I know that is DOESN'T, but if you review the facts...
Anyway, check the book out sometime. The guy who wrote it was a bloody genius.

Something else. Do you think, if you were to obtain permission from Tolkien enterprises, and kind of wove a story pertaining slightly to Middle-earth, let's say the elves in particular, do you think there is a human way to convince Christopher Tolkien to publish it?

One more thing. Does anyone know anything at all about Peter Jackson?

Or how to go about contacting him?

This last bit is extremely important, seeing as I very well may be able to obtain some shall-we-say-authentically-Elvish things... ahem...

Anyhow, cheers. Thank you all for listening to me, and SOMEONE post back.

Also, try to get some of your pals to read this thread, or if you know any freaks like myself... *grin*. It's awfully underappreciated, don't you think?

Well, murderous squirrel... I'd better scram. Cheers, and bloody thanks!

Niudo

1 thing. Bloody excellent job in the little battle-thing with Zero. The incompentent idiot.

Ah well, cheers!

You all just don't bloody GET it, do you??? I'm not going away OR shutting up until some kind fellow ANSWERS me.

So sad- the Two Towers isn't showing any more. I will be forced to obtain other means of viewing it.

Bloody hazardous, maybe, but I'm never against bending a few laws...

After all, they bloody MADE loopholes so fellows like myself [not suggesting that I'm a guy, but merely suggesting I am a human existing somewhere near this planet] could get around the law, didn't they?

Aye, that's what I thought.
So cheers- and someone POST!

I'll send the cd for a copy!


for my birthday, my mom got me a shirt that says "Lord of the Onion Rings". i cook a lot and i'm crazy about lotr...it's so fitting.

Bloody great shirt! I love it.

And Hobbitess-however-its-spelled- your name is just swiveling!
Thanks for the offer, but I have connections. Cheers to you, though!


Bloody cheers!

Swedish Fish, sounds like a great t-shirt. I'll tell ya, the easiest way to get a copy is by downloading KaAzA or WinMX or similar web pages and dowloading it directly but I've got a copy that I would be willing to send. I can't afford to send it to a lot of people; however, a few who are interested, I may be willing to burn a copy. It comes on 2 CDs though. Good picture. Good sound. You'll have to download a Codec. It's the Academy Screener so it's DVD quality. Email me: mollyann812000@yahoo.com

i didn't know i could get it off of kaaza. that's easier so i'll try that first. thanks for the offer!

You can bloody get it off Kazaa?

Wicked.

Thanks, cheers.

Niudo

Is it just me, or are storylines all around the world exactly the same?

There's four- maybe six- bloody scenarios. That's all you ever see. Some fellows spin off with something like, "Yes, I love the cinema- great plots and wicked action."

Of course, I go all sarky them- always going sarky, except for in blodge, because you honestly don't get away with bloody anything in blodge- and say something like, "Yes, it's swell, yes yes yes, never can have enough repetition, can you?"

Then my victim will get confused and I'll be compelled to apologize. Well, not really, but I don't want you all to think I'm bloody inhumane, do I? I think not.

Sometimes I'll mutter something like, "Ah, sorry bloke [well, I don't call people blokes, I think it's overrated], I love the cinema as much as anyone."

Because I do. But really...

Or sometimes, the thick-skulled fellow I'm talking with won't pick up on my sarcasm, which gives me a whole new thing to be sarky about, and it's an endless cycle.

Anyhow, my bloody point it: there are no plots left in this world- not the UK, the US, or Australia or anywhere- that haven't been over done and exploited to bloody death.

Maybe that's why we all love LOTR so much, don't you think?

Bloody cheers. I love all you fellows, you know that.

Cheers, Niudo

Ghost of Mirkwood

One more thing- Nivao's ill. I have to be bloody pathetic all by myself now!

Is it just me, or are storylines all around the world exactly the same?

To that Quote, I say "AMEN!"

My husband went to the opening night of "Lord of the Ring: The Two Towers" and he said it was bloody fantastic. Of course, we live in a small hick-town of about 300,000 people and therefore, it couldn't have been as exciting as Hollywood, but he said that watching fans enter the theater that opening night was quite a sight. There were many fans inside the theater dressed as their favorite Lord of the Rings (LOTRs) characters. The movie-goers were cheering and completely consumed by the movie as they watched it, almost like fans in the stands at a sporting event. And I, personally, don't blame them one bit for their enthusiasm. It's an exciting story so unlike many of the templated storylines that Hollywood seems to dish out, especially in the genre of action movies. It seems that Hollywood has the trouble of dishing out the same characters: The Hero with a vengence, the damsil in distressed (sometimes replaced by a child) and an evil vision... also, give or take a comic-relief character and ya gotchaself a movie. Uh... whoo-hoo? Sometimes, I think that there is some obese man, sitting at his computer, legs propped up on the desk sitting in front of his computer and pulling switches on a database making minor adjustments to the plot, the characters, and a few details of the storyline, telling his 'advertising boys' to make this movie seem huge and finally, at the end of his day... five minutes later.... says, "All in hard days work!" What do you think?

That was supposed to be villian* in my earlier post, not vision.

Anyhow, it's easy for me to complain about movies... hehe. I don't have to write any. Wish that some creative pioneer would come out with a great action movie. By the way, doesn't it seem like a lot of the well-known faced-past action stars like Jackie Chan and Jet Li have similar stories too... for example, good versus a surpisingly familiar looking bad guy? oh, yeah! it's the SAME freakin' guy playing two roles. Arrg! Gimme a break!

*fast-paced

Watching those movies makes me wonder if I'm really stoned... or what the hell is going on.

Yeah, yeah, you can download it from KaAzA but it may take a few days since it's a big file and since so many users log on and off so frequently. I got a great copy from the program. Have fun!! :) And if you have any probs, let me know. My offer is still good.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Stoney.Hobbittess
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To that Quote, I say "AMEN!"

My husband went to the opening night of "Lord of the Ring: The Two Towers" and he said it was bloody fantastic. Of course, we live in a small hick-town of about 300,000 people and therefore, it couldn't have been as exciting as Hollywood, but he said that watching fans enter the theater that opening night was quite a sight. There were many fans inside the theater dressed as their favorite Lord of the Rings (LOTRs) characters. The movie-goers were cheering and completely consumed by the movie as they watched it, almost like fans in the stands at a sporting event. And I, personally, don't blame them one bit for their enthusiasm. It's an exciting story so unlike many of the templated storylines that Hollywood seems to dish out, especially in the genre of action movies. It seems that Hollywood has the trouble of dishing out the same characters: The Hero with a vengence, the damsil in distressed (sometimes replaced by a child) and an evil vision... also, give or take a comic-relief character and ya gotchaself a movie. Uh... whoo-hoo? Sometimes, I think that there is some obese man, sitting at his computer, legs propped up on the desk sitting in front of his computer and pulling switches on a database making minor adjustments to the plot, the characters, and a few details of the storyline, telling his 'advertising boys' to make this movie seem huge and finally, at the end of his day... five minutes later.... says, "All in hard days work!" What do you think?


I think you are one hundred percent BRILLIANT. We MUST find this man.

About the LOTR-goers, clad in character: I was one of them.

Except I live in England rather than a hick-town. Other than that, bloody identical.

Cheers!

We must find this man.

Indeed. LOL! We must take him down! Down with the Hollywood Man! :)

Oh, I am so jealous, though to hear of your outting to "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" dressed up as your favorite characters. I didn't get to make it to the premiere here. My husband did, as I stated earlier and pardon for repeating myself, but I would have loved to go. Any chance you're going to be doing the same for the final movie? Boy! I really want to be the first, between my husband and I, to see "Return of the King."

I didn't get to go to the premiere of the Two Towers either. I had a final exam :mad: What sort of backwards institution would schedule final exams on that day? I should have complained. If they do that to me next year I think that I have every right to get the exam deferred.

The Two Towers is playing on IMAX here right now. I have to go.

I hear there's a book of the film now.:rolleyes:

hahahaha

(or do you mean they printed a transcript of the actual film? either way, funny)

Hehe, That is funny. I had heard that the J.R.R. Tolkien books were going to be re-released but the bookcovers were going to contain pictures from the movie. Is that what you were talking about or will the books, to which you referring, be based on the film which is a little different from the original, J.R.R. Tolkien books? Either way, yeah, it's silly.

Could the books to which you are referring to be Bored of the Rings? Tis quite a funny tale with Frito and Spam, Arroroot Son of Arrowshirt, Leg-of-Lamb, Shlob's Lair-And Other Mountain Resorts. ;)

Yes you must be referring to that, or Lord of the Pants.

"You're Flies You Fools!" and
"I know what it is you saw, for it is also in my pants."

Otherwise, I cannot be certain what you mean by the fact that "they're making a book about it."

But, then again, you could just be ignorant.

~Nivao

Kaylie!!
you never logged out at my house!!!
It says I'm you!!!!

Ah well cheers.

Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Niudo

At http://www.lordoftherings.net they have shirts you can buy that say "frodo lives" on them, along with matching hats!

We MUST get your dad to throw some money at so we can GET THEM!!! Then, I was thinking, you could spend some more time at my house so my dad will like you, and then, maybe we can weasel you into the Circle Of Geeks (COG). And THAT- along with the glory- means that you MIGHT get out of school with me to see the premier of Return of the King! And we can wear the hats, and the shirts. And be.....

UBERGEEKS!!!

So, do you like the idea? Cause I DO!!!! CALL ME NOW!!!

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Niv, what the f*** are you talking about? I can't figure out whether you're serious in your dislike for the LOTR movies or whether you're just being sarcastic. Either way, I'm a fan and I still find you to be funny. :D I'm a self-recognized geek, a recent member. I disliked all sorts of science-fiction related material until just recently. My husband turned me on to it. :) Now, I'm excited for the final LOTR movie to be released.

------

"Player haters don't let the player play. Dat shit aint rite yo." ---Wesmorris

"Now leaving the messy house of wes' wife... Gong!"

I am IN LOVE with LOTR. I'm like one of the biggest fans of it in the universe. One of, mind you. I've seen Two Towers 45 times (sorry Niudo, i watched #45 w/out you, i had bronchitis, i was BORED, so sue me). My dad already calls me an ubergeek. Did you know that Superman was originally Ubermein? Hehe. Well, I think it's funny.

But, I am a true fan. I got out of school for the premier of #1, but it was a work thing when my dad saw #2 and wouldn't take me.

*tear*

Namarie

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

I am IN LOVE with LOTR. I'm like one of the biggest fans of it in the universe. One of, mind you. I've seen Two Towers 45 times

I loved the movie too, however, I find that number to be incredible. You may want to contact guiness, it is possible for you to have broken the world record;) I saw it four or five times over the course of several weeks. I'd love to see it in the theaters again. I remember thinking, when seeing Gandalf battling the Balrog at the beginning, how much better it looked on a huge screen. I thought to myself yes, now I am home.

UBERGEEKS!!!

There's going to be an extra curricular club at my school next year, history of middle earth or something like that, however this asshole that everyone hates is taking it so I decided not to do so. I can live without it, in spite of how interesting it sounds.

Niudo, or Nivao...christ, your names are too similar...anyhoo, you mentioned earlier in this thread or another your interest to write a story regarding the elves of middle earth (it's too far back to quote directly). While writing is always cool, I would heartily suggest creating your own universe before publishing something. Otherwise, you're just making money and prestige for somebody else. I used to write star wars fiction, that's pretty much how I started writing, but I abandoned it when I figured that out. The elves are cool, but there are more ideas to be made into realities than there are grains of sand in a desert (or Near Harad, if you like).

Email me

Check your email, crimson-swedish-fish:D

These books were going to be, like, in honor of Lord of the Rings. We would have gotten permission from Tolkien Enterprises and Everything.

Our Names:

Nivao Niudo Gee, I guess they do sound the same. My fault, I guess. I was the one that translated them into my language. Yes, my language. Pretty pathetic compared to J.R.R's many full languages. I just switched the sounds of letters around for english. Our names in my language sound the same because they sound the same in English. Sorry Niudo, I wasn't sure if you wanted to keep your identity a secret, but, who cares.

Katie Kaylie
Nivao Niudo

Get it?

Namarie!

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Get it?

Maybe!:D

These books were going to be, like, in honor of Lord of the Rings. We would have gotten permission from Tolkien Enterprises and Everything.

It's still the same thing. You're making money for someone else, and you're not being totally original. Plus, I'm not sure they'd let anyone outside Tolkien's family the ability to publish a book in his universe.

We weren't going to keep the money we made. (at least, I wasn't) I was going to let Tolkien Enterprises keep what money I got. Is that good enough for you?

Namarie

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Hey I just got back from spring break and money wasn't even the idea, Pollux. In fact you're almost being insulting.
Almost, but not quite.
So anyway... Nivao, what bloody thread was it in??? Ah well, just call me... Dad's thinking of getting me a mobe, buhbye pips... anyway, cheers. I must flee.
Much love all,
and by the way Pollux I thought you were only like 15 so how do you know so much more than me,
cheers.


Niudo

I forget what thread that paticular comment was in, Niudo.

I'M LOOKING.

Besides my temp. was 104 at the time, and I wasn't thinking clearly. Actually, 104 isn't really a big deal. My record is 105.4. That was a good year.

Namarie

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

We weren't going to keep the money we made. (at least, I wasn't) I was going to let Tolkien Enterprises keep what money I got. Is that good enough for you?

Nope. Because you still don't have a completely original (or mostly original) idea. Plus, it just proves that you're making money for Tolkien instead of yourself. Why not abandon Middle Earth and build your own universe from scratch, and attempt to make it better than what Tolkien did, eh?

and by the way Pollux I thought you were only like 15 so how do you know so much more than me

In another thread I mentioned my paralyzing intelligence I believe...

I mean, if your intelligence is bloody paralyzing and all and yes I do realize I am being fairly cynical but still I'm not a complete idiot and I've built plenty of universes but would you know HarperCollins rejected them?

Of course, this was before I found that little bit that they, what was it then, don't accept unsolicited publications, but whatever.

It's fun to be original and believe me we bloody are original, how many people do you know who paint FRODO LIVES on a tree, but er that's just an example we didn't actually do that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that as brilliant as you fancy yourself being, you're a bit mistaken because I do like being original and I am original, but this particular storyline was just something we were looking into, and I didn't want money I just wanted to write isn't that what we all want, well freaks like myself anyway, but thanks for your contribution and your comments will be considered. And v. possibly ignored- after all, I'm nearly getting pathetic, er I am but still. Do you know how hard it is to not have a life when you don't have the proper tools to not have a life? It's bloody hard, like trying to survive in the mountains when you don't have a mountain and all, you know?

Er well yes, that's about it, but I'm not trying to say I don't care what you think even though you're only about 15 if you don't lie, which is something I tend to do when I'm bored, I'm just saying I need something utterly pathetic like writing something about Middle-earth to do otherwise I'll be forced to have a life and who wants that?

Ah well, I think I've got heat poisoning, so don't mind me. Cheers!

[n][i][u][d][o]

Ghost of Mirkwood

Yes, Pollux V, we are original, and trust me, if you were ever to even meet us, you would understand us. Well, maybe not understand us. But, you'd believe that we were original.

Namarie

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Yeah, we bloody wrote a television show... SpongeBob of the future...
There's a universe.

Like Niv said, no WAY would you understand US, but maybe you'd understand a little more than you do now. [hint: you are very confused.]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that as brilliant as you fancy yourself being

It's actually somewhat of a joke. I pretend to be an asshole because it's that much fun to do so.

I just wanted to write

I'm somewhat of a writer too--and I understand. However, I just want to say that your time could have been spent better on projects that might be more lucrative in the future.

Do you know how hard it is to not have a life when you don't have the proper tools to not have a life?

Are you trying to say that you don't like having a life? I didn't have a life for most of my life, however, when I got to High School all that changed.

have a life and who wants that?

Me. I like hanging out with people. I like talking to people. And I enjoy the company of others. Yet, with all of this, I still have time to write here and in my various projects.

you are very confused.]

Don't be so sure.

Ah, yes, the joys of being an incompetent fool. I love it too. But still- I like being obnoxious. Much like yourself.

And by having a life- well, I quite obviously have one, alongside friends- I have plenty- but by not having a life I mean obsessing over pointless things and living at my computer and drinking way too much Mr Pibb. And by not being some kind of weirdo- like 'Bill the Pony'- who merely thinks he has a life.

Sure, talking with people is fun, but I'd much rather make myself out to be an idiot during my study halls in random threads.

So cheers!

niudo
ghost of mirkwood

Oh yeah, Pollux, about that lucrative thing.

Have you been listening? No? Okay. Well, here's what I'm saying. I spend half my life writing and I've written plenty of more lucrative things but I need a break from all that bloody lucrativity.

Yes, I am aware that destroying the English language to the best of my current abilities. But study hall's nearly over so I'm gonna have to go.

Cheers!

Niudo can come up with very unique story ideas, and carry them out for a very long time. This LOTR idea was partly my responsibility and would really have been for fun. I mean, indulging in one's fantasies (i.e. living in middle-earth) can be taken down to a somewhat sane level if you just write about it. Right?

But of course, Niudo and myself do much more that just write about Middle-Earth. But, who wants to get into that, other that me?

Namarie

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Er possibly the tree by chance, Niv-ryhmes-with-Liv. But just a guess.

Of course, by 'tree', I'm speaking... hypothetically...

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Oh, and Nivvie, sorry. Thanks for my compliment. I greatly appreciate it, really I do.

I love it too

Admitting the problem is the first step:)

Sure, talking with people is fun, but I'd much rather make myself out to be an idiot during my study halls in random threads.

I don't see the point in that...

Well, here's what I'm saying. I spend half my life writing and I've written plenty of more lucrative things but I need a break from all that bloody lucrativity.

I've been writing since I was eight or nine...and you're a bit younger than me. I don't see the point in writing unless it is lucrative and fulfilling.

Yes, I am aware that destroying the English language to the best of my current abilities

I love the english language. Quite possibly the most beautiful, and most powerful. It's the language of the future, you know!

But study hall's nearly over so I'm gonna have to go.

I hope you don't mind my asking, but you and Nivao live in Britain, correct?

Niudo can come up with very unique story ideas, and carry them out for a very long time.

I can't remember exactly when I decided to start a new project, the one that I'm working on now, and have been drafting for at least a year, probably two. You can see an exerpt of it, and of my other writings, at my website... What is your definition of a long time?

But of course, Niudo and myself do much more that just write about Middle-Earth. But, who wants to get into that, other that me?

You've kindled my interest:)

Long time... weeks, months, years... depends how bored I am. My current project took about 3 months, but while waiting from word from some stupid publisher [rejecting me, doubtlessly] or another, I tried starting the sequel... wasn't working for me.

Short attention span.

And bloody thanks. Honestly.

Must go, Mum's raving about some stupid thing or another... I borrowed her mobe to make prank calls? And the fat deli man complained?

Oh dear.

Cheers!

Niudo

And about me being so much younger than thou art... I'm bloody 14, not doing so bad here, am I?

Thought not.

And about Britain: in that general area.

Och aye, I'm bored, so I'm sorry Nivvie-no-more.

Er now study hall's ending so cheers.

niudo

What did I say about the fat deli man? Once ya hit three calls, they lose patience. Besides, I thought I told you how to make prank call theright way.

And, Mr. Pollux? You are 15, I am almost 14. Now, if you were 18, and I was a wee 13-year old, we would have quite a difference in age, wouldn't we? Now, I don't think that we have to get into a quagmire about this age thing. Anyway, I hang out with 17 year old people all the time. And, anyway, we all look the same in the eye of an ant that we are about to step on.

Ooooohhh, Niudo, that's a profound thought, I better post that.

Namarie

~Nivao
Ghost of Mirkwood

Nivvvvvvao:
Och aye precioussss what's with the nassty nicesey people in this bloody world preciousss?
Yet another asked us if we were cute, precioussss. The madness must stop. And Nivvie-we-mean-Nivvvao, we finished the profounditiesness thread, oh yes we did preciousssss.

The ressssst of the world:
Och aye I've nothing to say at all precioussss. Sssso sssorry, preciousss. Need to talk, preciousss, we dos? Sssshe could do it. Yesss, preciousss, ssshe could.

cheerssss, preciousss,

niuddddddo

Originally posted by Nivao
And, anyway, we all look the same in the eye of an ant that we are about to step on.


Ooh, precioussss, it is so bbbbeautiful preciousssssss.

it'ssssss Gollum Day?? ::gollumgollum:: it burnsss ussss it burnsses

Yessss, precioussss, Gollum day. *gollumgollum* Do you know we cans actually make that sound when we're coldses [tehe Nivao]. And yesss preciousss we need to prepareses ourselveses because tomorrow, preciousssss yesssss, is nasssty fat hobbitses day, yessss preciousssss Sam day, meaning a lot of 'my gaffer would say' yes preciousssss and no 'h'ses yes precioussss and lotssssssssss of dropsingses of gssss in ing wordses preciousssss.

[The short and short of that is that I have decidedly abnormal nasal patterns and tomorrow we all talk like Sean Astin's portrayal of Sam, which is excellent if you ask me. Precioussss.]


niudo
ghost of mirkwood
*gollumgollum*

Originally posted by wesmorrisbabe
Hehe, That is funny. I had heard that the J.R.R. Tolkien books were going to be re-released but the bookcovers were going to contain pictures from the movie. Is that what you were talking about or will the books, to which you referring, be based on the film which is a little different from the original, J.R.R. Tolkien books? Either way, yeah, it's silly.

Well they've got 'em with pictures....

Okay, I want to know. Did Viggo actually glue one of his teeth back in during a battle scene when it got knocked out? I'm bloody curious and I demand to know!

Hehe. I can't wait til ROTK comes out. I wanna buy LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Version" on DVD but I'm trying to wait til it's less expensive. I can't believe it's been a year and the DVD is still $30.00 at Wal-Mart. Call me a cheapsake but that's, still, more than I wanna pay.

do you think all the extended dvds will be released together in a boxed set?

Originally posted by SwedishFish
do you think all the extended dvds will be released together in a boxed set?

Man! I hope so! That would be schweet! That would be cool to get all the extended versions from all of the movies together but I betcha they're gonna follow the same idea as before to make more money. Whatta ya think?

try encyclopedia of arda.com.....type with no spaces.
although the best method of learning about middle-earth and valinor is to read all of tolkien's works.

i've read evrything except the peoples' of middle-earth. ive been searching for that for quite a while. anyone read it?

Anyone know where to find The Adventures of Tom Bombadil? Borders won't order it for me. The bored cheerleader behind the counter laughed at my freakishness and dismissed me.

HHmm, the adventures of Tom Bombadil. I think I have a copy, probably 20 years old, very likely no longer in print. I read it something like 9 years ago and foudn it very very odd.

Which actually reminds me, does anyone have an idea where Tom Bombadil fits into the middle earth universe? I have read LOTR, The Silmarilion, and the unfinished tales that got collected into one volume, and I still am not sure wheres hes from and what hes doing there. Is he one of the Valinor? Or what?

Tolkien wrote a fair bit more than LOTR I think, but for the real obsessives of you I reccomend the stuff his son Christopher has been putting out, i think its a collection of all his fathers notes and everything else, it was at least 6 volumes last I saw, but that was a few years ago now.

Old Tom Bombadil was never explained, left as an enegma. But of course there are a million and one theories regarding him and Goldberry. Some believe he's a manifestation of Eru or just a Maia (servant of a Valar). But if you study the Books enough I'm sure you could figure it out or at least come close to the answer.

Well you know from many points that he was there before the elves awoke and went west. So either way he's immortal and pretty powerful. He has complete power over everything in his domain - "Tom's the Master" I believe Goldberry said.

I'm just reading the Complete History of Middle-earth series at the moment, interesting stuff.

I remember reading a quote from Tolkien himself who said there never would be a conclusion to the Bombadil questions because he wanted it to remain. He things a little mystery is needed in whatever you do. It was something to that effect at least. I've heard a myriad of stories...none of them quite explain everything. It is truly an enigma.

-AntonK

Thanks, that fits in well enough. Ive always been confused by Tom Bombadil and its a relief to find out hes supposed to be a bit confusing.

Is there a thread where one can obsessively discuss the minutiae of what was changed for the films?

Bring the life back into this thread! Or post the URL thingie here or whatever so I can go there... I love discussing what exactly PJ was thinking when he messed with, say, Faramir...

Ok, I havnt seen the two towers, but lets start there. ON teh propaganda, sorry, advertising for it, you see the Rohirrim. Who are all armoured up in authentic pretend Xena style leather etc armour, looking most like a bunch of wannabee roleplayers who have wandered out of some dark room in a university somewhere. No offense intended, (and if you do take offence, well see later.) but the overriding impression I got from Tolkein was that they were like Anglo saxons, with the authentic golden hair like Vikings. so in otherwords their armour should be more just mail ie chain mail shirts, etc. Ie the emphasis on plain and practical except for teh decorations, which shouldnt look like they have stepped out of some pasty faced role players imagination, they shoudl look, well, positively dark aged.
Basically, its like LOTR, that started much of hte whole elves and kings and dark versus light stuff, has been refracted through the lenses of its bastard children of lesser imaginations.
Then tehres the fighting, which was quite good in teh fellowship of hte ring, but speaking as someone whose recently bought a replica late medieval hand and a half sword, blunt, for practising with, it just didnt look quite like actual peopel fighting with replica stuff. Ie, like most martial arts films, it was too stylised and show offy, whereas in real life you go in, whack them and get out, do it fast, but then of course the audience cant quite see what your doing. So, if you are currently playing round with boffers of some sort, or lengths of wood, or whatever, go find authentic replica swords, swing them about, and then try fighitng with them with no target area not permitted, ie you can do thrusts, uppercuts, drawcuts, punches, etc.
Oh yes, and real archers dont draw their bow and hold it the way legolas does, neither do they do it with locked straight arms. But then i suppose hes an elf, so he can get away with it.
And if you object ot any of the above, like i said, I have a sword and I know how to use it. ;)

And so do I, actually two at a time as I do Kali (or escrima or Arnis depending on the style).

If your gonna complain about the LOTR fight scenes then you might as well complain about any film that has choreographed fight scenes.

What do the masses want to see? A scene of messy realistic fighting which is not enteratining to watch or excellent looking smooth fight scenes ala Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon?

What do the masses want to see? A scene of messy realistic fighting which is not enteratining to watch or excellent looking smooth fight scenes ala Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon?

Indiana Joans did it. His fights were dirty and realistic. The moves in Crouching were cool, but Indy is cooler. Dirty realistic fights can rule, but not in a scifi/fantasy movie. It has to be an action adventure for the fights to be realistic. That way you know your not dealing with mystical forces.

I said the masses, didn't mean I was one of them :)

Realistic fighting in certain films has it's place like say in Fight club. Puts the point across well.

It's funny how many people you get doing martial arts cos of films like CTHD. Soon as they learn fighting aint what it is in the films, they piss of and you never see em again!

And yes Indy is cool:)

Well your right about the fighting I suppose. but maybe some day someone will do a more "realistic" film.....

HHmm, ahh yes, in the first film, apart from not handling the passage of time very well, at one point frodo etc are leaving the Shire, on the way to Bree, and it clearly shows them half way up a mountainside with mountains in the background. Eh? The Shire is meant to be more rolling downland or suchlike, not blooming mountains.
And Rivendell looked far too fantasy like, instead of English home like.

I'm not even going to get started on the problems with the Shire... just one little thing... they minimized it SO much. Frodo was fifty or so, for God's sake! Not a puny little blue-eyed kid!
Sigh. I'm sorry. These outbursts are to be expected from one with CCOS, as I have...

About Frodo's age.

Either way they did it they wouldn't have been able to do it properly without you complaining. At Bilbo's farewell party, Frodo is 33 (year of coming of age for a hobbit). Yet he leaves the shire 17 years later. So does PJ make him 33 or 50?

And a cut and text "17 years later" would be a little cheesy. So either way in your books they couldn't of won.

In cinematic terms the way they did it was better.

Anyway whats's CCOS?

They did at least do Moria fairly well. But Lothlorien wasnt quite right.

CCOS?

the way the redcoats fought was very proper and gentlemanly. they stood in formation and marched and shot just the right way when commanded. it gave the gorilla-like american rebels the upperhand. this is an english mythology. i would fully expect them to fight the way they have been taught, with much flair and a sense of choreography. although, the fighting was rather dirty and confused in the battle in two towers. except for legolas. legolas can shoot his arrows effortlessly holding the bow any which way. he looks damn good the way he does it so i say poo on doing it the way an archer would.

I'm all for Legolas fighting, or Legolas walking, or Legolas doing bloody anything... I suppose you're right, they couldn't have pleased me no matter what they did, but still...
Lothlorien. PJ, although trying his best, messed that up SO bad... I mean, the Harvard Lampoon did nearly as good of a job in Bored of the Rings, and at least that was funny! All it takes is three trees, some white Christmas life, and a few bigatures, and you're there... I mean, I all but recreated PJ's Lothlorien using my "flet" (loft bed), fake vines, Christmas lights, and other LOTR tidbits here and there... sigh.
About CCOS. It's Carefully Chosen Obsesison Syndrome. There's an entire thread dedicated to it in Free Thoughts under 'Do You Have CCOS?' so I really won't go into detail here when all you skeptics could honestly go look it up if you really care. Plus I don't want to be accused of derailing a thread that I helped adopt and derail tastefully into what it is today.
I think Peter Jackson did great, given what he had, but the whole Tom Bombadil/Evil Faramir thing REALLY makes me mad. But then, so does Liv Tyler (or should I say Weaving? MOTHER OF HAROLD! AND BILL! Er... don't ask... I'd tell you but you honestly don't want to know...).
So I guess just because I'm a Tolkien fanatic (Tolkien, among other things, mainly scifi) doesn't give me the right to complain about the hell of a job PJ did. I don't think I could have done better. But we'll see about that once I start filming MY parody...

ahhh yes, ive read about the evil faramir. Bad boy, bad boy Mr Jackson.
Need I emphasise once again the peculiar englishness of the entire world of tolkein?
Fighting is dirty and confused, Ill have to see the two towers to see what you mean, but if so, all to the good. But really, having the elves join in the battle at Helms deep was silly as well, and unnecessary.

I thought that at first but then I did want to seethe Elves fight in mass formations. But they were slaughtered along with Haldir which was a little dissapointed.

PJ's changed it so much (or messed up some might say) he might as well include a dwarven army in the next.

The elves got killed at Helms deep? Very naughty boy, mr jackson is. After all, watching Legolas fight, elves should be able to mince orcs, remember.
Dwarven army? hhmm, cue a minute on the fighitng around the dwarves place at the lonely mountain.

www.glyphweb.com/arda

The Encyclopedia of Arda. Not as comprehensive as keeping Tolkien's books beside your computer (yes, I am a geek, and damn proud of it), but it's INCREDIBLY useful for looking up quick facts and summaries of wars and the like. Use it. Love it. Cherish it. Memorize the web address. :p

At last, my keyboard tirade ends.
Would anyone happen to know if PJ was evil enough to omit The Scouring of the Shire in the upcoming ROTK? Because if he did... grr...
About the Elves fighting. It makes me mad that they all died, especially Haldir with his fishtail braids (something I have recently learned to do to my own hair... mwaha...). Still, despite the little things like Tom Bombadil that make me mad, you have to give him some credit for everything else, like Tricia...

Originally posted by Child of rats
yes, I am a geek, and damn proud of it

Power to the geeks! Long live us!