A new deal is taking place for L.M's USA F-22 to be sold to Israel. Once Israel security is questioned, Pentagon will allow the F-22 to be used for Israeli's.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8348/israeliwq0.jpg

http://www.counterpunch.org/f22.41.jpg

http://www.air-attack.com/MIL/_EXP/su47/berkut.jpg

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1177591142861&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

lmao - Dragon, what is this inner rage you have against US hardware? :D

lmao - Dragon, what is this inner rage you have against US hardware? :D

I just don't agree to other US aerospace engineers boasting their technology supremacy in the skies.

Oh, man. Very well; as you will.

I just don't agree to other US aerospace engineers boasting their technology supremacy in the skies.
the U2 was unmatched.
the SR-71 still is.

the U2 was unmatched.
the SR-71 still is.

U2 was shot down and so will SR-71. With intercontinental ballistic missile.

perfect example: USA arming a rogue terrorist nation

U2 was shot down and so will SR-71. With intercontinental ballistic missile.

It will never happen. SR-71 has been retired. It has never been shot down, even after over 900 missiles were fired at it during its career. It is undefeated. Plus, if you don't think Skunkworks has something better that no one knows about, you're crazy. Plus that something better (Aurora possibly?) is most likely fast enough to outrun any ICBM today.

http://www.air-attack.com/MIL/_EXP/su47/berkut.jpg
That will never happen either. How many F-15s were shot down by any Mig during its tenure with the Air Force? NONE It is also undefeated.
Plus, since Russia doesn't have the budget that we do, even though their aircraft may even be more maneuverable than ours (Su-35, etc.), our avionics will always be superior. If you think any Russian aircraft is going to get that close to an F-22, think again. Unless it has stealth detecting radar, game over.

Well any aircraft isn't safe from itself. Duh, right? Well there's a such thing called reverse engineering. aircraft that belong to Israel will be reverse engineered in no time.

Leopold
the U2 was unmatched.
Not quite, it has been "intercepted" from above by RAF Lightnings, and photographed from above by a Canberra, while at cruise altitude.
Draqon
U2 was shot down and so will SR-71. With intercontinental ballistic missile.
An ICBM is not a SAM, and doesn't have the capability to intercept an aircraft.
And the third picture in the op is just wishful thinking on the part of a graphic artist - the Sukhoi S-37 (Su-47) Berkut will not enter service and has never been armed. It exists as flight instrumentation and proof-of-concept aerodynamic test vehicle only.

And the third picture in the op is just wishful thinking on the part of a graphic artist - the Sukhoi S-37 (Su-47) Berkut will not enter service and has never been armed. It exists as flight instrumentation and proof-of-concept aerodynamic test vehicle only.

Dont you think I know that. :p There had been no fights between latest Su or Mig and the F-22 and other US aircraft.

lmao - Dragon, what is this inner rage you have against US hardware? :D
You see, military equipment is one of the last tangible prides Russians have. Nationalism there is surging, one needs to stand on something to beat one's chest. Military equipment is one of such pillars, showing russian superiorities. That's "misterious", as third Reich, Russian soul for you.

Awh, did I mention specifically russian brand of antiamericanism? Just pure downtrodden envy to the dumb, fat and otherwise undeserving Americans taking rightfully Russian piece of pie.

Leopold
Not quite, it has been "intercepted" from above by RAF Lightnings, and photographed from above by a Canberra, while at cruise altitude.

can you provide some links to the statistics of the lightning and canberra?

i find your post next to impossible to believe.

I hope Israel get sa chance to use those birds.

I hope Israel get sa chance to use those birds.

lol your such a shit disterber i love it.

Dude, Egypt has a huge dam that would make a *perfect* target.

I just don't agree to other US aerospace engineers boasting their technology supremacy in the skies.Air superiority hasn't benefited the US at all. Not in Iraq or Afghanistan, not even over NYC in '01! It benefits Israel as they are free to bomb civilians and destroy any country they choose. This technology isn't used against armies, it's used against civilians and 3rd World countries. This technology has created many, many more enemies for the US.

I hope Israel get sa chance to use those birds.Against civilians. They don't target armies, they bomb refugee camps and hospitals then wonder why the world detests them. Israel is not immune to consequences. She will drown in her own blood soon enough and I rejoice the day it happens. Hopefully you will be wailing at the wailing wall at the time.

Leopold

Not quite, it has been "intercepted" from above by RAF Lightnings, and photographed from above by a Canberra, while at cruise altitude.

not according to what i can gather online:
operating ceiling of the U2 -
The U-2, which is known as the Dragon Lady, can loiter at 70,000ft (21,336m) over the area of operations for several hours and is often described as a glider due to its flight characteristics.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/u2/

operating ceiling of the lightning -
A Lightning had no great trouble performing a dash to 18.3 kilometers (60,000 feet), and one may have unofficially reached 23.8 kilometers (78,000 feet), at which point it was no doubt as aerodynamic as a brick.
http://www.vectorsite.net/aveeltg.html

operating ceiling of the canberra -
a standard service ceiling of 48,000 ft (14,600 m),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Canberra

given all of the above it seems it might have been possible for the lightning but very improbable due to the lightnings flight characteristics.

Against civilians. They don't target armies, they bomb refugee camps and hospitals then wonder why the world detests them. Israel is not immune to consequences. She will drown in her own blood soon enough and I rejoice the day it happens. Hopefully you will be wailing at the wailing wall at the time.

Heh, civilians *do* live in cities.

Hard to drown when you got the US holding your head up and selling you F-22 Raptors and nukes!

f-22 with israelites? that's scary!

f-22 with israelites? that's scary!

next sale to be: high intensity radars to Syria :rolleyes: :p

next sale to be: high intensity radars to Syria :rolleyes: :p

Why? So they can watch with crystal clarity as Israel bombs the shit out of 'em?

don't give bush anymore brilliant ideas...

Why? So they can watch with crystal clarity as Israel bombs the shit out of 'em?

no so that the F-22 Pilots gets their skulls smashed with iron. :)

Leopold:
not according to what i can gather online:
Widely published statistics rarely give the full operational picture. Lightnings have bounced U-2s from above (descending from well above 70,000 ft), admittedly in carefully controlled flight profiles (check out Lightning From The Cockpit: a regular service pilot took his to approx. 75,000 for his last flight and surprised the sh*t out Akrotiri GC), and the Canberra PR (photo-recon) mod still hasn't had its genuine operational ceiling published. They were used (supposedly) over the Soviet Union for uninterceptable flights much the same as U-2.

Dude, Egypt has a huge dam that would make a *perfect* target.

It'd be nice to see the dam gone, but considering Egypt fell out of the ME's favour by being friendly with the Israelis, it seems unlikely.

Oli

Widely published statistics rarely give the full operational picture. Lightnings have bounced U-2s from above (descending from well above 70,000 ft), admittedly in carefully controlled flight profiles (check out Lightning From The Cockpit: a regular service pilot took his to approx. 75,000 for his last flight and surprised the sh*t out Akrotiri GC), and the Canberra PR (photo-recon) mod still hasn't had its genuine operational ceiling published. They were used (supposedly) over the Soviet Union for uninterceptable flights much the same as U-2.

And are you sure that you aren't confusing the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter which is officially named "Lightning II" to distinguish it from English Electric Lightning, the stats that you give would match the preformance data for the F-35.

The BAC Lightning's stats have been declassified for years. And there is a question or the range capabilities of the Lightning to be over Russian territory.

F Mark 3 The Mark 3 employed the Avon 301R and was the fastest of the Lightnings having a superb power to weight ratio of nearly 1:1. Armament was changed to the Red Top collision course missile (two carried) mated to the revised AI23B radar; the Aden cannon were omitted. The fin was enlarged by 15% and given a square-cut tip to maintain stability with the new missile. The F Mk 3 retained the original small ventral tank and range was limited. Cockpit instrumentation was brought up to full OR946 Integrated Flight System standard. The F Mk 3 joined the RAF with 23 Sqn in August 1964.
Service Fighter 23, 29, 56, 74, 111 Training 5, 11; 226 OCU; LTF Target Facilities Leuchars, Wattisham TFFs Other CFE (AFDS); FCTU

And are you sure that you aren't confusing the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter which is officially named "Lightning II" to distinguish it from English Electric Lightning, the stats that you give would match the preformance data for the F-35.
Bwahaha. No. THE Lightning, not that bastardised piece of crap that'll never work as well as it should.
Re-read my post. Canberra PR over the Soviet Union, not the Lightning.
And the statistics are wrong - F.Mk.2A was, IIRC, the best thrust/ weight. OVER 1:1 (at combat weight - 50% fuel and two AAMs), also capable of supercruise and accelerating while in a vertical climb.
The BAC Lightning's stats have been declassified for years.
Nope, the F.Mk.1 is still (for some inexplicable reason) classified - most sources just say "over Mach 2" and similar...
PS, tp the purist it's E.E. - BAC were parvenu johnny-come-latelies.

Nope, the F.Mk.1 is still (for some inexplicable reason)

top speed of Mach 1.53

http://aeroflt.users.netlink.co.uk/types/uk/english_electric/lightning/lightning.htm

Re-read that link: F.Mk.1A says 2.1, the 1.53 is the P1A (prototype). The 2.1 is the listed (placard) speed i.e. that stated for regular service pilots... test pilots had reported a considerable excess of thrust at M2.2+. Actual top speed has never been listed (I have a large library on the Lightning...)

Re-read that link: F.Mk.1A says 2.1, the 1.53 is the P1A (prototype). The 2.1 is the listed (placard) speed i.e. that stated for regular service pilots... test pilots had reported a considerable excess of thrust at M2.2+. Actual top speed has never been listed (I have a large library on the Lightning...)

ohhh...

Oli

Canberra PR

This is what you stated

Lightnings have bounced U-2s from above (descending from well above 70,000 ft),

The Canberra PR is not a BAC Lightning, and if the Canberra did bounce a U-2, form above it was because the U-2 was either going up or coming down from altitude, and I find it hard to believe that a Canberra PR would be operating in the same flight profile as a U-2, totally different aircraft, with totally different flight characteristics, for different mission profiles, and the U-2 missions were flown from totally different bases.

the ceiling of the U2 is still classified.
the only figure i can get is above 70,000 feet.

Originally Posted by Oli
Re-read that link: F.Mk.1A says 2.1, the 1.53 is the P1A (prototype). The 2.1 is the listed (placard) speed i.e. that stated for regular service pilots... test pilots had reported a considerable excess of thrust at M2.2+. Actual top speed has never been listed (I have a large library on the Lightning...)

http://www.vectorsite.net/aveeltg.html#m4

ENGLISH ELECTRIC (BAC) LIGHTNING F.6:

max speed at altitude 2,415 KPH 1,500 MPH / 1,305 KT

That is Mach 2.2, and it was operational, on squadron strength, no big secret.

dEAR aLL,

i hope all is going well

OF COURSe israel needs the F-22 to defend itself against the palestinians and their Qassam rockets, oh and the huge threat of hezbollah with there Katushas!!!

i dunno, maybe they will be able to arm it with a Nuclear Air to surface missle.

you must understand that the mighty Qassam and katusha proves a threat to israels existence!!! the US has no choice but to pay Israel for the privelage of using the newest fighter aircraft from the US arsenal.

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take it ez
zak

Buffalo, you don't read too well do you? Lightnings bounced U-2 (for intercept practice - it doesn't which bases they flew from - it was an exercise), PR Canberras photographed them. Bear in mind that the extended span RB-57 operates at 80k ft + (and annoy fighters wanting what the fighter jocks call high-altitude intercept practice!).
And the link and statistics you gave are for the F.Mk.6, not F.Mk.1. And if you look around the 6 is also given a M=2.27 top speed on some sites and books. The F.Mk.6 is fairly public knowledge, the Mk.1A is still classified.
I have heard from a couple of WEWOLs (WE Were On Lightnings - ex Lightning drivers) that a M=2.6+ panic was not unheard of if someone was hamfisted enough to break the soldered-on throttle gate...

doesn't matter how much USA will support terrorism, in the end the rightous will win. Just because Israel has the upper hand means nothing, a country can experience a technological boom or military boom (look at us from cheap army to amazing army)

And this is what I say: Give the Syrians the same technology you give the Israelis, and the Syrians will slaughter them. It is not impossible for Syria to get its hands on American technology.



Roman, are you roman or american?

Oli

Do you know what the hell your talking about? the F.Mk.1, was the first aircraft series, in the line of production, the Mark F-1 was produced in 1960, the Mark F-2 1962, the Mark F-3 1962, and the Mark F-6 1965,

The incident that your are talking about happened in 1984, and it was during a Nato exersize, and the interseption was only accomplished because the U-2 was operating at a altitude that it had never been intercepted at before, and the ship that did the interception was a Mk -3. and the operational altitude of the U-2 :

Ceiling -U-2A - 85,000, U-2R-feet 80,000 feet, TR-1- 90,000 feet, U-2S- 90,000 feet, and remember that is waht is admitted to, not the true classified operational hights.

To ensure absolute safety, every screw, bolt, nut, seam, thread, and system gets inspected each time before the aircraft flies. High altitude physiological and life support training associated with the U-2 space suit are vital to protecting the pilot. Every time a Dragon Lady takes off, the life-sustaining physiological equipment enables the pilot to successfully accomplish the mission and come home safely. Carroll reports in a side-by-side comparison of the Lightning and the F-15C Eagle (which he also flew) that:

"Acceleration in both was impressive, you have all seen the Lightning leap away once brakes are released, the Eagle was almost as good, and climb speed was rapidly achieved. Take-off roll is between 2,000 & 3,000 feet [600 to 900 m], depending upon military or maximum afterburner-powered take-off. The Lightning was quicker off the ground, reaching 50 feet [15 m] height in a horizontal distance of 1,630 feet [500 m]".

Despite its remarkable performance, the Lightning inevitably found itself outclassed by newer fighters in terms of range, radar, avionics, weapons load and air-to-air capability. The short range of the Lightning - just 900 miles - was particularly crippling.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning

The Lightning was specifically designed as a point defence interceptor - essentially a guided missile-armed, air superiority fighter optimised to defend mainland Britain against bomber attacks. In order to reduce cross sectional area of the fuselage and improve performance, the fuel capacity was highly restricted. It was armed with two 30 mm ADEN cannons and two air-to-air missiles, at first the de Havilland Firestreak and later the Hawker Siddeley Red Top.

Limitations of fuel capacity dominated this aircraft's design as its fuselage was nearly all engines and ducting, and thus could not hold much fuel. Hence all available room was adapted to the purpose of holding fuel. The flaps were even used as fuel tanks, and the landing gear had very narrow tyres that retracted outward so that there could be greater tankage inboard. This also meant that when the addition of drop tanks for greater range was considered, they could not be placed beneath the wing and were mounted on top instead. When the aerodynamic principle of the area rule became standard practice, a ventral tank was added to the fuselage, so the plane could carry more fuel while being more aerodynamic.

The first operational aircraft, a Pre-Production P.1B (XG336), arrived at RAF Coltishall in Norfolk in December 1959. From 1960 the production mark F1 served initially with 74 Squadron. An improved variant the F2 first flew on 11 July 1961 and entered service with 19 Squadron at the end of 1962. The F.3 was first flown on 16 June 1962 and the longer-range F.6 on 16 June 1965. The versions sold to Saudi Arabia were essentially similar to the T.5 and F.6 models in UK service and this final production batch reverted to the classic natural metal external finish which lasted well in the drier Arabian climate.

The incident that your are talking about happened in 1984, and it was during a Nato exersize, and the interseption was only accomplished because the U-2 was operating at a altitude that it had never been intercepted at before, and the ship that did the interception was a Mk -3. and the operational altitude of the U-2 :
Actually SEVERAL incidents of this type have occurred - I've talked to the pilots and seen the reports... and most were pre-1984.
Despite its remarkable performance, the Lightning inevitably found itself outclassed by newer fighters in terms of range, radar, avionics, weapons load and air-to-air capability.
So how do you explain the fact that Lightnings have repeatedly eaten F-5s, F-16s and F-15s in ACM?
The Lightning was quicker off the ground, reaching 50 feet [15 m] height in a horizontal distance of 1,630 feet [500 m]"
Means nothing - when showing off (typical WEWOL) the Lightning would be at around 500 m in a horizontal distance of 500m - I've seen them pull up into a vertical climb as soon as the wheels are tucked in.

dEAR aLL,

i hope all is going well

OF COURSe israel needs the F-22 to defend itself against the palestinians and their Qassam rockets, oh and the huge threat of hezbollah with there Katushas!!!

i dunno, maybe they will be able to arm it with a Nuclear Air to surface missle.

you must understand that the mighty Qassam and katusha proves a threat to israels existence!!! the US has no choice but to pay Israel for the privelage of using the newest fighter aircraft from the US arsenal.

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take it ez
zak
evil zionist jews are getting to you zak?

evil zionist jews are getting to you zak?

Dear Mr Spock,

I would have thought, you would have agreed with my statement, and God knows where you Got Evil Zionist Jews from.

ikf you dont agree with my statement then why do Israel need the F22


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take it ez
zak

Dear Mr Spock,

I would have thought, you would have agreed with my statement, and God knows where you Got Evil Zionist Jews from.

ikf you dont agree with my statement then why do Israel need the F22


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take it ez
zak

because it surrounded by enemies who dream of the day israel=islamic state. just because they have lesser means to date, doesnt mean we need to be weak as well, dont you agree, zak?

because it surrounded by enemies who dream of the day israel=islamic state. just because they have lesser means to date, doesnt mean we need to be weak as well, dont you agree, zak?

My guess you shit on the golden commode too, just in case.

My guess you shit on the golden commode too, just in case.

:confused:

Air superiority hasnt been usful to us in the past few years because none of our enemies CAN fight us in the sky due to our tech. Should they get into an open area its over, but they hide in cities where there is nothing to bomb without major media coverage, what can you do? In WW2 there was a use for it, but now our enemies dont fly anymore, and dont have armored vehicle targets.

Oli

Widely published statistics rarely give the full operational picture. Lightnings have bounced U-2s from above (descending from well above 70,000 ft),

I have found a article in some old hard copy of a Incident that you describe, the U-2 was decending from well above 70,000 feet, on its way down, and for a Lightning to intercept, was possable as the maxum speed of a U-2 is only 510 mph. and that is at maximum altitude, at lower altitude the air is to dense for the air frame to take the strain of flying that fast.

Specifications (U-2R)
Inventory:
Active force, 35 (4 two-seat trainers); Reserve, 0; ANG, 0

General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.1 m)
Wingspan: 103 ft (30.9 m)
Height: 16 ft 1 in (4.8 m)
Wing area: 1,000 ft² (92.9 m²)
Empty weight: 14,990 lb (6,800 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 41,000 lb (18,600 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney J75-P-13B turbojet, 17,000 lbf (76 kN)

Performance
Maximum speed: 510 mph (821 km/h)
Range: 3,500 mi (5,633 km)
Service ceiling: 90,000 ft (27,430 m)


Actually SEVERAL incidents of this type have occurred - I've talked to the pilots and seen the reports... and most were pre-1984.

Since I can find and cite source, how about you doing the same? and from my relatives who are still in the Air Force, the height that the U-2 is capable of operating at is still several 10's of thousands of feet above the intercept point in 1984, and the bounce's that you quote happened as the U-2 was descending from altitude, and the Lightning's were there to provide escort cover for the U-2, and they were vectored to the intercept point from ground control.
To make a intercept, you need ground control to give you vectors to the target, otherwise, unless you are very lucky all you do is waste JP-4, and ground control has a very hard time even seeing the U-2 on radar unless the U-2 is squawking IFF transponder codes. Hell you don't even know the series run of the Aircraft that you claim did the intercept.

Since I can find and cite source, how about you doing the same?
Unfortunately I can't - my direct sources and I are still under the official secrets act. I'm not allowed to give details, but the incidents themselves were documented in, IIRC, Air International (have to dig out the particular issue) and a lecture by Bill Gunston for the RAeS at Elvington a decade or back, and one or more of his books.
was descending from altitude
Not according to my sources
and the Lightning's were there to provide escort cover for the U-2
Nope, it was a "surprise" by over-zealous lightning drivers
they were vectored to the intercept point from ground control.
They had to be, Lightning's radar was p*ss-poor for long-range search
Hell you don't even know the series run of the Aircraft that you claim did the intercept.
In the words of more than one RAF pilot "Mark? Sub-type? Bugger me, I FLY them, I don't count them"
Err, small point, your stats are for U-2R, late model. I'm talking early models of U-2 and Lightning.
Just found this: The Lightning has been reported as achieving a ceiling of 88,000ft on http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Lightning
I hadn't heard of 88kft before, but I knew of 75+... that must have been one very carefully planned flight.

Oli

I hadn't heard of 88kft before, but I knew of 75+... that must have been one very carefully planned flight.

No it was a zoom, basically you go to altitude and do a dive and then pull back on the stick and go full throttle, you can launch the aircraft to some amazing heights, but your flight profile is that of a spear, you go up and come down in a straight line until you have enough air for your controls to work. Some specially modified F-104s for NASSA, could reach 100,000 ft. but it was with minimum control, basically a manned missile shot, straight up and then straight back down, to recovery altitude.

Which of course required extremely careful planning, due to the HUUGE fuel capacity of the Lightning. I mean, the later marks were so sissy they had enough fuel for a second attempt at landing if they missed the runway first time.
Just try finding out how to get max (absolute) altitude: it not a case of point the thing upwards and light the burners, there's lot of horizontal flight involved to gain kinetic energy to convert into climb rate.
Absolute altitude zooms are among the carefully planned profiles an aircraft will do, it's a trade-off between speed, altitude and total weight (as fuel burns off).

because it surrounded by enemies who dream of the day israel=islamic state. just because they have lesser means to date, doesnt mean we need to be weak as well, dont you agree, zak?

Dear Mr Spock,

i hope you had a good weekend

that's strnage i thought Egypt and Jordan were a Peace with Israel, Lebanon just got blown to shit last year so that only leaves syria as one of your immediate threats, I would hardly say that is surronded would you Mr spock, and also as israel is occupying the Golan hieghts would you not say that israel is in a more agressive position to syria than Vice-versa.

But then again you could extend the radius of your iminnent threats. Iraq is no threat now, Saudi Arabia is not a threat, and i dont need to insult you intelegence by saying that the UAE or any of the other gulf states would be a threat. So then you could tell me Iran is a threat , but again that cant be rgiht saying that israel has better and more long range bombers and missle etc, so where is this surronded by enemies nonsense coming from then Mr Spock.

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zak

Olmert said there would be peace in the middle east in 5yrs time thats somewhere 2012 AD
Why?
I don't know
How?
Only after a massive Regional war involving the U.S and rogue terrorist nations like Iran.Syria etc.....That's why they need the F22s...something tells me they might be getting the advanced avionics with it as well.
(All purchased U.S military hardware is subjected to an IAI (Israeli Airrcraft industries) upgrades.

Hello Vega,

Hows it going with you? And hows your Yacht?

there were encouraging signs from Olmert a few months ago in response to the Saudi peace conference, lets hope they dont need a massive regiional war to accomplish peace.

As for Syria and Iran, they are not the terrorist nations of the middle-east. Did you not see in the news papers that Iran gavve intel to the US about a Key Alqueda member in Iraqi, forgot his name now though, but it was in the Guardian" (UK).

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zak

Hello Vega,

Hows it going with you? And hows your Yacht?

there were encouraging signs from Olmert a few months ago in response to the Saudi peace conference, lets hope they dont need a massive regiional war to accomplish peace.

As for Syria and Iran, they are not the terrorist nations of the middle-east. Did you not see in the news papers that Iran gavve intel to the US about a Key Alqueda member in Iraqi, forgot his name now though, but it was in the Guardian" (UK).

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take it ez
zak

I'm on dry land now, and the captain is missing!! ...probably is been sodomised by the natives again!

I have no access to newspapers just the ones to wipe my %$$$#%!!!

Iran.Syria.Pakistan all play a similar political tactic...shake with one hand and wave with the other...It's always been that way!

Iran.Syria.Pakistan all play a similar political tactic...shake with one hand and wave with the other...It's always been that way!

Hi vega,

thank you for your response.

i would not just limit this list to the 3 above nations, tell me one nation (not including, Luxemburg and places like that) that dont do the above.

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zak

Hi vega,

thank you for your response.

i would not just limit this list to the 3 above nations, tell me one nation (not including, Luxemburg and places like that) that dont do the above.

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take it ez
zak

Canada!:D

Canada!:D

Hummmm

Thats just like Luxemburg but a little bigger!!

From many many many hours of flying time in battlefield 2 (which apparently is ment to use some real world physics). They have a couple of aircraft in there, so I thought I would share my opinion on them.


F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet - Fighter jet, 1 seater.

This is a very quick jet. In air to air combat in the game its only rival is the J-10. It can fly faster than the J-10, but the J-10 is able to turn in on it more quickly than it can turn in on the J-10. The F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet only carries 2 air to surface explosives so its almost useless (unless you are very very skilled) in tackling ground problems such as AA vechiles and SAM sites.

F-15E Strike Eagle - Fighter/Bomber Two seater

While no match for the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet or the J-10 in air-to-air combat, the F-15E is a very versatile piece of equipment. It can fly very high and has an arsenal of high tech weapon. The co-piolet can shoot tv guided missiles and the aircraft carries both air to air missile, and carries a large amount of air to ground ordinance.

JSF-35 - Harrier fighter

I hate this aircraft. Its way too slow. Even the fighter/bombers can have a good go at it. Its only advantage is that its very very nimble. It can turn even faster than the J-10, but that in turn makes it a very unstable aircraft to fly and handle. I have seen a couple of the more experience pilots handle them well though. They like other fighters have a weak air to ground capabilities.

Sukhoi-30 -bomber/fighter, two seater

This aircraft also boats laser guided missiles, a good load of missiles and bombs to drop. Not very fast it can out run most of the slowest fighter/bombers. I feel like a duck when I fly this aircraft so I tend to avoid it mostly. Nothing really bad to say about it, but nothing really good either.

J-10 - Fighter , 1 seat

My preferred aircraft. Its nimble enough to take on the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet nicely and its fast enough to out run the harriers. A deadly piece of machinery. Its ground attack is very weak.

MiG-29 Fulcrum - fighter , single seater

If I would say which aircraft comes the closest to it, I would say the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet. While the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet is a little bit faster, and it can out turn the MiG-29 , the MiG-29 is more of a match for almost all the other air craft.

SU-34 Flanker -fighter/bomber, two seater

This is my fighter/bomber of choice. When you fly a fighter jet and then you fly one of these fighter/bombers, you notice the difference almost right away. Fighter/bombers feel like ducks in the air, and this one is no exception to the rule. What makes this one special is it can fly high. Very very very high. The fighters tend to spin out at high altitude, so if you fly this jet high enough, and come in quick and fast (mostly vertical) to your target... you can normally get in and out before the fighters can have a chance to get on your tail.

I have also manged to get many air to air kills with this jet. I normally spot the fighters below me.. and if I time it just right, I can drop in behind them (as long as they are not using after burners) and pop 4 missiles up their exhausts.

And so ends my useless review of the aircraft I have flown online.

well I am impressed with your knowledge and skill of these aircrafts!
I too have taken out entire squadrons of tactical nuke crafts and left fleets of motherships stranded in the void of space during my service to the Empire!

Sadly we lost the war and now I merely live out the rest of my days out on a desert planet hoping someday old darth would return to life and rebuild the empire!

ah the good ol days!!!

Dear Mr Spock,

i hope you had a good weekend

that's strnage i thought Egypt and Jordan were a Peace with Israel, Lebanon just got blown to shit last year so that only leaves syria as one of your immediate threats, I would hardly say that is surronded would you Mr spock, and also as israel is occupying the Golan hieghts would you not say that israel is in a more agressive position to syria than Vice-versa.

But then again you could extend the radius of your iminnent threats. Iraq is no threat now, Saudi Arabia is not a threat, and i dont need to insult you intelegence by saying that the UAE or any of the other gulf states would be a threat. So then you could tell me Iran is a threat , but again that cant be rgiht saying that israel has better and more long range bombers and missle etc, so where is this surronded by enemies nonsense coming from then Mr Spock.

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nonsense zak?
in egypt and jordan they still hate us, and the peace they made was for their interests, dont be delusional they still want us gone. as for lebanon you still have hezbollah and their rockets threats, syria still supports hezbollah and gives them weapons and is still consider an enemy, despite their calls for peace. so that is in the immediate vicinity, we have like yuo said iran a country of 70 millions people, with a good equipped army and long range missiles with chemical warheads. what i found ironic is this:

but again that cant be rgiht saying that israel has better and more long range bombers and missle etc,

which is precisely why we need advanced technology. you disagreed but then agreed.

nonsense zak?
in egypt and jordan they still hate us, and the peace they made was for their interests, dont be delusional they still want us gone. as for lebanon you still have hezbollah and their rockets threats, syria still supports hezbollah and gives them weapons and is still consider an enemy, despite their calls for peace. so that is in the immediate vicinity, we have like yuo said iran a country of 70 millions people, with a good equipped army and long range missiles with chemical warheads. what i found ironic is this:



which is precisely why we need advanced technology. you disagreed but then agreed.

hey Mr Spock,

No need to worry, Egypt and Jordan are at peace with israel, Syria is just abotu out of the equation as a threat and iran is miles away.

why do you overrate the incomptent arab leader ship, or the lonney mullahs in Tehran. You givce them more credit than what they deserve, why is that Mr Spock.

Dont tell me you need F22 to bomb the Qassams and the Kats surely. talk about hammers and chest-nuts.


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Zakariya04

[QUOTE]No need to worry, Egypt and Jordan are at peace with israel, Syria is just abotu out of the equation as a threat and iran is miles away.

why do you overrate the incomptent arab leader ship, or the lonney mullahs in Tehran. You givce them more credit than what they deserve, why is that Mr Spock.

Dont tell me you need F22 to bomb the Qassams and the Kats surely. talk about hammers and chest-nuts.[/QUOTE/]

How you doing, PBWYAY, sorry to disagree, but that is exactly the problem that led to every other war in history, the best example being PM Chamberlain of Britain, with his PEACE IN OUR TIME, agreement with Hitler, he believed that Hitler was miles away, that he was a loony leader, and that everyone was giving Hitler more credit than he deserved, and sorry but you do need a F-22 to crack walnuts like Katushias, and Qassams, they are needed to provide the air superiority, so the Attack Aircraft, and Artillery can do their job, which is to take out the launch sites. And if they use the F-22 as a strike fighter the increase in accuracy of the delivery system will cut collateral damage, less innocent bystanders (however you define that) will be killed.

Zakariya04

[QUOTE]No need to worry, Egypt and Jordan are at peace with israel, Syria is just abotu out of the equation as a threat and iran is miles away.

why do you overrate the incomptent arab leader ship, or the lonney mullahs in Tehran. You givce them more credit than what they deserve, why is that Mr Spock.

Dont tell me you need F22 to bomb the Qassams and the Kats surely. talk about hammers and chest-nuts.[/QUOTE/]

How you doing, PBWYAY, sorry to disagree, but that is exactly the problem that led to every other war in history, the best example being PM Chamberlain of Britain, with his PEACE IN OUR TIME, agreement with Hitler, he believed that Hitler was miles away, that he was a loony leader, and that everyone was giving Hitler more credit than he deserved, and sorry but you do need a F-22 to crack walnuts like Katushias, and Qassams, they are needed to provide the air superiority, so the Attack Aircraft, and Artillery can do their job, which is to take out the launch sites. And if they use the F-22 as a strike fighter the increase in accuracy of the delivery system will cut collateral damage, less innocent bystanders (however you define that) will be killed.
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hey buffalo,

i'm good thanks i hope all is good with you too, well actually i am pretty shite, but i dont want to depress you.

One thing about your point above, in the recent conflict with Hizbollah, i dont appear to recall any air - air fighting. i dont think the lebanese airforce have any half decent fighters let alone Hizbollah and even if they did i cant remeber an incident when any left an airbase of sorts. or am i completely wrong here.

And dont compare the Arab countries with the power of germany, completely no comparison. from education to the military there is no comparisioon and you know it.

Anyway did you hear on the news today, it seems that olmerts in trouble, cos he messed up the war last year big time.

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Zakariya04

One thing about your point above, in the recent conflict with Hizbollah, i dont appear to recall any air - air fighting. i dont think the lebanese airforce have any half decent fighters let alone Hizbollah and even if they did i cant remeber an incident when any left an airbase of sorts. or am i completely wrong here.

No, I do believe that you have the wrong idea on this, the fact that the Israelis are the premier air force in this area was the reason that their was no attempt to challenge them in the air, the last time that Syria tried to interfere with the Israeli Air Force they lost 22 to 0, so this helped the people on the ground to do their mission, the fact that the political end screwed up the wining of the war has no reflection of the fact that to win you have to keep the enemy air off of your troops. The draw in this war was the fault of the politicians.

On the Palestinian POV, this could be taken as a show of the US's support of Israel more than Palestine. As most of us know, there is a terrible blood feud going on between the Israelis and the Palestinians right now over land. The US is attempting to be a negotiator and an ally at the same time...Palestinians could argue that the US should offer them F-22s as well or the US position as a middle-man is compromised.

Zakariya04



No, I do believe that you have the wrong idea on this, the fact that the Israelis are the premier air force in this area was the reason that their was no attempt to challenge them in the air, the last time that Syria tried to interfere with the Israeli Air Force they lost 22 to 0..

Good Morning Buffalo

Okeeey Kookeeey Buffalo, please can you tell me what fighter aircrafte lebanon has to defend its air space, and what Aircraft Hizbollah ahs to defend its militia?

The syrian Armed forces are shite, which stems from the fact that the entire plitical system is geared to keeping Assda and his croonies in power.
Anyway it makes me wonder why the Americans and Israelisfor example when russia sells the iranians or the Syrians more "advanced "SAM's like the M1 TOR.

And whether thw war was a loss or a win for either side, depends on the objectives and whether they were acheived.

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Good Morning Buffalo

Okeeey Kookeeey Buffalo, please can you tell me what fighter aircrafte lebanon has to defend its air space, and what Aircraft Hizbollah ahs to defend its militia?

The syrian Armed forces are shite, which stems from the fact that the entire plitical system is geared to keeping Assda and his croonies in power.
Anyway it makes me wonder why the Americans and Israelisfor example when russia sells the iranians or the Syrians more "advanced "SAM's like the M1 TOR.

And whether thw war was a loss or a win for either side, depends on the objectives and whether they were acheived.

PBWY, Zakariya, As for the fighter aircraft that the Lebanese had it doesn't matter, as the Government Lebanon wasn't the target of the war.
The Syrians as you say suck in their Air Force Tactics, and the equipment that they have, but if you don't have the ability to control the air space, the Syrians, would have had the ability to use their air force to strike targets in support of Hezbollah, and the Iranians would have done the same, so in the end the Israelis need the latest technology to maintain the balance of power on the field of battle, remember that the Israelis have to face a 20 to 1 force balance in the Middle East.

That has been proven wrong, and the sad fact is that the Democrats in the U.S. proved it so, you can win every battle and accomplish all of your battle field objectives and then the Politicians can throw the whole thing away, Olmert, screwed up the tempo of the war, the Israeli Military accomplished ever objective that was set, but because of politically engendered cease fires, politically imposed pauses in the tempo of the assault, the situation became a draw, Hezbulla didn't win, and the Israel politicians quit, and the military paid the price in lives.

Morning Buffalo,

Zakariya04

[QUOTE]Good Morning Buffalo



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PBWY,

Thank you buffalo,

i hope all is well with you and your family.



Zakariya, As for the fighter aircraft that the Lebanese had it doesn't matter, as the Government Lebanon wasn't the target of the war.
The Syrians as you say suck in their Air Force Tactics, and the equipment that they have, but if you don't have the ability to control the air space, the Syrians, would have had the ability to use their air force to strike targets in support of Hezbollah, and the Iranians would have done the same, so in the end the Israelis need the latest technology to maintain the balance of power on the field of battle, remember that the Israelis have to face a 20 to 1 force balance in the Middle East.

That has been proven wrong, and the sad fact is that the Democrats in the U.S. proved it so, you can win every battle and accomplish all of your battle field objectives and then the Politicians can throw the whole thing away, Olmert, screwed up the tempo of the war, the Israeli Military accomplished ever objective that was set, but because of politically engendered cease fires, politically imposed pauses in the tempo of the assault, the situation became a draw, Hezbulla didn't win, and the Israel politicians quit, and the military paid the price in lives.






The Syrians are only alledged to ahve given/sold hezbollah weapons, they bwould not have sent their airforce to help hezbollah even if it is any good. If so why did they not send a few tank divisions down there. in fact i doubt Hezbollah actually want their help in that sense. Iran would never have got actively involved, logistics dictate that surely.

I thoguht the objectives of the Israeli armed forces was to
1)free the soldiers captured
2) destory hezbollah

the first point has not been accomplished and i doubt the second one has either according to Isreali intellegence sources.

Providing more and more and better weapons to either side is just esculating the situation. Even though israekl and Iran to an extent have their own manufacturing capabilities, the fatc is if the russians, Europeans and the US stopped sellign them arms then shit will be a lot better. israels existence is never in question as they have a nuke arsenal of over 200 warheads. they too have some nutcases in parliment take their Deputy prime minister, avigdor leiberman who said onyl a few years ago that israel shoudl bomb the Aswn Dam, which is fare worse than using one or 2 nukes, as the death and destruction cased by that would be un-imginable.

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U2 was shot down and so will SR-71. With intercontinental ballistic missile.

STFU Dragon. Do you know what the 'B' in ICBM stands for? I don't think you understand anything much, actually. You can't 'shoot down' a moving target with an ICBM, it's not what they were designed for!

Thumbs up to F-22 sale!

F-22 is swing role, right? Bombing, air to air...

hopefully Arab military assets will be magically turned to ash.

Thumbs up to F-22 sale!

F-22 is swing role, right? Bombing, air to air...

hopefully Arab military assets will be magically turned to ash.

Dear Blue UK

hows things?

what makes you come out with the comment above.

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Morning Buffalo,

[QUOTE=Buffalo Roam;1374069]Zakariya04


Thank you buffalo,

i hope all is well with you and your family.








The Syrians are only alledged to ahve given/sold hezbollah weapons, they bwould not have sent their airforce to help hezbollah even if it is any good. If so why did they not send a few tank divisions down there. in fact i doubt Hezbollah actually want their help in that sense. Iran would never have got actively involved, logistics dictate that surely.

I thoguht the objectives of the Israeli armed forces was to
1)free the soldiers captured
2) destory hezbollah

the first point has not been accomplished and i doubt the second one has either according to Isreali intellegence sources.

Providing more and more and better weapons to either side is just esculating the situation. Even though israekl and Iran to an extent have their own manufacturing capabilities, the fatc is if the russians, Europeans and the US stopped sellign them arms then shit will be a lot better. israels existence is never in question as they have a nuke arsenal of over 200 warheads. they too have some nutcases in parliment take their Deputy prime minister, avigdor leiberman who said onyl a few years ago that israel shoudl bomb the Aswn Dam, which is fare worse than using one or 2 nukes, as the death and destruction cased by that would be un-imginable.

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what do you say on this zak?
"Israel is an illegal usurper entity, which is based on falsehood, massacres, and illusions," and considers that the elimination of Israel will bring peace in the Middle East: "There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel." In an interview with the Washington Post, Nasrallah said "I am against any reconciliation with Israel. I do not even recognize the presence of a state that is called 'Israel.' I consider its presence both unjust and unlawful. That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle...When a peace agreement is concluded between the Lebanese government and Israel, we would surely disagree with the Lebanese government about that, but we would not make any turmoil out of it."

Zakariya04

The Syrians are only alledged to ahve given/sold hezbollah weapons, they bwould not have sent their airforce to help hezbollah even if it is any good. If so why did they not send a few tank divisions down there. in fact i doubt Hezbollah actually want their help in that sense. Iran would never have got actively involved, logistics dictate that surely.

No the Syrians gave the best help, they allowed the Iranians to transship supplies to Hezbulla, with no interference from the Syrians. If the Syrians had not allowed the transshipment of supplies how would the Hezbulla have received supplies, and how would the Iranians have gotten them there? Iran shares no border with Lebanon, but they had no logistical problem supplying Hezbulla in Lebanon.
Syrian tank divisions have the same problem that their air force has, shit tactics, and shit equipment, the Israelis have always kick the Syrians ass in any class of weapons.

Dear Blue UK

hows things?

what makes you come out with the comment above.

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I simply don't trust them!

The Israelites, on the other hand, would never want to harm my nation (to the best of my knowledge!).

I am of course talking about those in power, not the general folk who I presume just want to get on with things irrespective of their longitude and latitude.

I simply don't trust them!

The Israelites, on the other hand, would never want to harm my nation (to the best of my knowledge!).

I am of course talking about those in power, not the general folk who I presume just want to get on with things irrespective of their longitude and latitude.

The Israelis will harm anyone that stands in their way.

Some Jewish mateys bombed a British Hotel back in 1946, I believe they carried out other attacks on British soldiers. They even celebrate their attack on the King David Hotel today: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

Though I think they do some fucked up things, I respect them for that (standing up for themselves). I don't think the Israeli leaders care about most of the World hating them. They only look out for themselves.

Ghost_007

Some Jewish mateys bombed a British Hotel back in 1946, I believe they carried out other attacks on British soldiers.

Do you notice any thing significant? the attack was on soldiers, the target wasn't civilians, could the Palestinians pull off the same thing or are civilians the easy target?


Though I think they do some fucked up things, I respect them for that (standing up for themselves). I don't think the Israeli leaders care about most of the World hating them. They only look out for themselves.

Who else in the world has their best interest in mind? the Arabs, and Islam? with them you have one choice if your a Jew, and that is to die.

[QUOTE=Zakariya04;1375358]Morning Buffalo,


what do you say on this zak?
"Israel is an illegal usurper entity, which is based on falsehood, massacres, and illusions," and considers that the elimination of Israel will bring peace in the Middle East: "There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel." In an interview with the Washington Post, Nasrallah said "I am against any reconciliation with Israel. I do not even recognize the presence of a state that is called 'Israel.' I consider its presence both unjust and unlawful. That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle...When a peace agreement is concluded between the Lebanese government and Israel, we would surely disagree with the Lebanese government about that, but we would not make any turmoil out of it."


Good Morning Mr Spock,

Thank you for posting the above.

Nasrallah is a pragmatist, on one hand he says he does not recognise Israel, blah, blah blah and one the other he says he would not do anythign if Lebanon signed a peace agreement with them. Having said that, he like all politicians do love to lie.

To be honest Mr Spock you know as well as i do, Hezbollah are just like an annoying little pest for the Might of the Israeli armed forces and not in anyway a significant threat to Israel.

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Good Mornign Buffalo,

I holpe all is good with you


Zakariya04



No the Syrians gave the best help, they allowed the Iranians to transship supplies to Hezbulla, with no interference from the Syrians. If the Syrians had not allowed the transshipment of supplies how would the Hezbulla have received supplies, and how would the Iranians have gotten them there? Iran shares no border with Lebanon, but they had no logistical problem supplying Hezbulla in Lebanon.
Syrian tank divisions have the same problem that their air force has, shit tactics, and shit equipment, the Israelis have always kick the Syrians ass in any class of weapons.

Thank you for yoru feedback.

so who cares Buffalo, israel too gets its weapons transhipped through other countries.

Iran gives Hezbollah Kats, the US gives Israel, fighter aircraft, tanks, APC, helicopters and so on and so forth.

Apart from esculation purposes i do not really see the poitn in the Israelis having yet more and newer hardware


I simply don't trust them!

The Israelites, on the other hand, would never want to harm my nation (to the best of my knowledge!).

I am of course talking about those in power, not the general folk who I presume just want to get on with things irrespective of their longitude and latitude.


Dear Blue Uk

thank you for your response

yes the general folk in all countries just want to get on with their lives and provide for their family etc..

I take it you are from the Uk as per your user name. to be honest, i would not trust any politician in the world let alone one from the middleeast. On one hand you ahve Ahmenidjads sabre ratlling, then you have the epicentre of terorism, the house of Saud, and then you have Israel, whos deputy prime minister who has called for the virtual destruction of egypt.

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Ghost_007

Do you notice any thing significant? the attack was on soldiers, the target wasn't civilians, could the Palestinians pull off the same thing or are civilians the easy target?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.

Members of the Irgun, dressed as Arabs, set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). Ninety-one people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.[1]

The attack was initially ordered by Menachem Begin, the head of the Irgun, who would later become Prime Minister of Israel. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.

Who else in the world has their best interest in mind? the Arabs, and Islam? with them you have one choice if your a Jew, and that is to die.

If the Israelis didn’t act like rabid dogs things would probably be a lot different. The Israelis constantly want to remind the World about the holocaust, but in reality I see no sympathy for them. Their reputation is in the shitter. Its almost the same with America, after 9/11 the whole World was with them, look at things just 6 years on. Anti-American sentiment is rife Worldwide. The Israeli assault on Lebanon last summer were the actions of a bully and Israel does represent the bully to a lot of people. Israel is not a small, weak vulnerable nation, they are a military monster and they have the full support of America. They'd hammer the Arabs in any conventional war, every expert keeps on saying that. Now out of all the nuclear powers, I think only the US and Israel would ever use their nukes. What can the Arab nations realistically do to Israel? I see it the other way. Its about what Israel wants to do to its neighbours.

Ghost_007

If the Israelis didn’t act like rabid dogs things would probably be a lot different.

The day the U.N. established the Nation of Israel the Arab League attacked Israel with the intention of wiping it from the face of the earth as it was born, So who are the Rabid Dogs? I would say the Arabs and Radicals of Islam are the ones who are Rabid, Swine, all you have to do is read their statement, and charters from the day that Israel came into existence in the modern age, read their foaming at the mouth statement about destroying the Jews and their Religion, Children, and drinking their blood, and feasting on their children, making the land run red with the blood of the Jews, and removing them from the face of the earth, now were ever have the Israeli ever stated the same rabies infected mind process against the Arabs and Islam.

The day the U.N. established the Nation of Israel the Arab League attacked Israel with the intention of wiping it from the face of the earth as it was born, So who are the Rabid Dogs? I would say the Arabs and Radicals of Islam are the ones who are Rabid, Swine, all you have to do is read their statement, and charters from the day that Israel came into existence in the modern age, read their foaming at the mouth statement about destroying the Jews and their Religion, Children, and drinking their blood, and feasting on their children, making the land run red with the blood of the Jews, and removing them from the face of the earth, now were ever have the Israeli ever stated the same rabies infected mind process against the Arabs and Islam.

There is blood-lust on both sides.

In my view, the rhetoric from extremists is just that, rhetoric - piss and wind. They don’t have the means to destroy Israel, plus, they are essentially resistance fighters. The Israelis on the other hand have advanced weaponry and nukes to back up their rhetoric. Israel is the real threat.

Ghost_007



, now were ever have the Israeli ever stated the same rabies infected mind process against the Arabs and Islam.



Hi again buffalo,

have you heard many of the statements by Avigdor Leiberman who is the Israeli Deputy prime minister.

he has called for the virtual destruciton of Egypt amongst other outrages.

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Zakariya04

Can you give me a site reference?

Ghost_007



The day the U.N. established the Nation of Israel the Arab League attacked Israel with the intention of wiping it from the face of the earth as it was born, So who are the Rabid Dogs? I would say the Arabs and Radicals of Islam are the ones who are Rabid, Swine, all you have to do is read their statement, and charters from the day that Israel came into existence in the modern age, read their foaming at the mouth statement about destroying the Jews and their Religion, Children, and drinking their blood, and feasting on their children, making the land run red with the blood of the Jews, and removing them from the face of the earth, now were ever have the Israeli ever stated the same rabies infected mind process against the Arabs and Islam.

I think the UN should legalize all illegal immigrants in the US.

Now and in the future. Anyone who wants to come into the US should be allowed to.

Zakariya04

Can you give me a site reference?

Hi buffalo,

are you talking abotu a reference to Avigdor Leibermans statement virtually destroying eGypt.

I can do of course.... here is one source to get you started
http://imeu.net/news/article003471.shtml

i just randomly picked it up.

Mr spocjk informs me that such rhetoric is just political... its funny that its just political mumbo jumbo if its an Israeli but if its an Arab its threatening the very existence of Israel.

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are you talking abotu a reference to Avigdor Leibermans statement virtually destroying eGypt?
Mr spocjk informs me that such rhetoric is just political... its funny that its just political mumbo jumbo if its an Israeli but if its an Arab its threatening the very existence of Israel.

The difference, Zak, is that one radical Israeli says something like that, but 400 gazillion radical Muslims say it every-fuckin'-day, day in, day out, and have big marches in the streets screaming it, shooting off their AK-47s and holding up signs that say "Death to Israel" and "Death to Jews", and a gazillion Muslim newspapers and radio and tv shows do the same ...day in, day out, every-fuckin'-day.

You don't see a difference? :D

Baron Max

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing


the people in the hotel have been warned about the bombs by the
same jewish terrorists who planted them.

A warning message was delivered to the telephone operator of the King David Hotel before the attack and also delivered to the French consulate and the Palestine Post newspaper. According to Irgun sources, the message read "I am speaking on behalf of the Hebrew underground. We have placed an explosive device in the hotel. Evacuate it at once - you have been warned."


what are your thoughts about that?

Evening Zak, hope your weather is as beautiful there as it is here.

Avigdor Leiberman

OK I now know who you are referring to.
That is one of the problems with a parliamentary representative democratic republic, to form a ruling coalition, you have to deal with the devils in your own political systems, and I will agree Avigdor Leiberman, is one of the devils, but as a government policy Israel doesn't call for the absolute destruction of the Arabs, it isn't their government policy engrained in to the law of their land, as the Destruction is made Law and Policy in the Arab states and enumerated in their constitutions and charters, you point out one Israeli, I can point out Thousands of Arabs that have called for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish Race, and find hundreds of documents were it is part of the Laws, Charters, and government policies.

why would they won't there is no need for it its a waste of money the current us air supierority aircaraft are good enough

The difference, Zak, is that one radical Israeli says something like that, but 400 gazillion radical Muslims say it every-fuckin'-day, day in, day out, and have big marches in the streets screaming it, shooting off their AK-47s and holding up signs that say "Death to Israel" and "Death to Jews", and a gazillion Muslim newspapers and radio and tv shows do the same ...day in, day out, every-fuckin'-day.

You don't see a difference? :D

Baron Max

Dear Maximus

Stop Sensationalising please!!

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PBWY, Zakariya, As for the fighter aircraft that the Lebanese had it doesn't matter, as the Government Lebanon wasn't the target of the war.
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Good Morning Buffalo

i hope all is going ok with you, Our weather here is very good indeed, however not so good when you are workign in a corner office with 6 windows, by mid afternoon you are just blasting that air conditioning.

Anyway i seemed to have missed this bit before when you refer to the fact the the lebanese Government was not a target of the war. I am a bit puzzled as to why you stated this bearing in mind that Olmert declred on a few occasions that he holds the lebanese Government responsible.

Therefore in olmert's eyes they were to blame too.

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Evening Zak, hope your weather is as beautiful there as it is here.



OK I now know who you are referring to.
That is one of the problems with a parliamentary representative democratic republic, to form a ruling coalition, you have to deal with the devils in your own political systems, and I will agree Avigdor Leiberman, is one of the devils, but as a government policy Israel doesn't call for the absolute destruction of the Arabs, it isn't their government policy engrained in to the law of their land, as the Destruction is made Law and Policy in the Arab states and enumerated in their constitutions and charters, you point out one Israeli, I can point out Thousands of Arabs that have called for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish Race, and find hundreds of documents were it is part of the Laws, Charters, and government policies.


Hi buffalo,

thank you for the analysis above, please can you site sources to backup the above, we are talking about states not militias etc..

Buffalo, all the political leaders are a bunch of aresholes in this region, they just go about being an arsehole in dfferent ways thats all.

Also did you hear now about ol'Olmert, here seems in bit of a dodgey situation and he has been stabbed in the back by the Israeli foreiegn minister who also says he shoudl resign, even-thoguh she gave olmert her falling back in the lebanon debacle last year.

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Take it ez
zak

I think the UN should legalize all illegal immigrants in the US.

Now and in the future. Anyone who wants to come into the US should be allowed to.

You think the UN should repeat the mistakes of the past? How about Pakistan? Declare the bible belt of the USA an independent, 'pure' Christian land and ethnically cleanse the non-Christians out.

Obviously, the residents of this new Christian country will no longer be US citizens. If they try to flee to the US they'll be illegal immigrants. So it will be lawful to deport them back to be killed ;)

In my opinion, even I cannot state that ONLY ISRAEL is the terrorist. Both sides, Arab and Israeli, are commiting terrorist acts, but its all about the 'cause and point' being made. Israel has none, therefore it is the true threat and terrorist