So much for the liberators. Its a free-for-all http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog...ail&link=hed_20071217_ts1_Turkish Green Light Take a number and get in line.
how delicate of you to spot this news... Turkey is a major help to US in northern Iraq were Kurds prevail.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/6289204.html Attack of US chopper killing 16 in Northern Iraq http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4440664.stm White phosphorous used in city of Northern Iraq ...allies u say? pounded by white phosphorous? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
and finely delegated they did ... I am not sure however what the political motive was behind US accusal of Turkey massacre of Armenians...perhaps politicians do indeed have some morals :bugeye:
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I must say this surprizes me. U.S just turned another ally into a potent hateful enemy Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
This is insane. Turkey was a valuable military ally during the Cold War because it was right smack dab on the border of the nasty old USSR. We had a military base that close to the Rooskies. (Of course we called it completely unfair when they tried to establish one ninety miles away from our territory, in Cuba.) The only value Turkey has to the U.S. today is a negative one: It allows our insane, treasonous president to launch military planes into Iraq to supply the troops who are violating our Constitution and making enemies of the few friends we have left. If we pissed off Turkey and they told us to leave their country, we might have to scale back the War on Islam. What a shame! Bring the world back from the brink of a nuclear holy war! The Kurds and the Turks are roughly equivalent ideologically. Muslims but not the looney fundamentalist variety. Relatively secular by Islamic standards. Not Arabs, the Kurds are Indo-Iranian and the Turks are Ottoman. Very pro-Western; Turkey wants to join the EU and Kurdistan would probably vote to become a U.S. territory. Fairly peaceful, about as peaceful as Abrahamists ever get. Turkey has the aforementioned strategic value but Kurdistan also is a valuable ally in Iraq. There's no good reason to favor one over the other. Unless of course you count morality. The Turks have a checkered history when it comes to tolerance and the Kurds don't like the way the Turks treat them. How quickly they forget that they were treated far worse in Saddam's Iraq and just maybe they owe us a favor for liberating them, like not pissing off Turkey? They're the only Iraqis who actually have better lives since our Backward Baby Boy president stomped in there in his cowboy boots and his two-pint hat. I wonder how much money the American military bases pump into the Turkish economy? If we threatened to simply pull them out, do you think the Turks would capitulate? I'm rather disgusted with the way both the Kurds and the Turks are behaving. Maybe we should just let them shoot it out.
nasty old USSR? if there is a nasty country...its USA with Hiroshima and Nagasaki to remember. Let them Kurds and Turks kill each other off and perhaps US troops will join in Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Turkey is close to across Georgia to Chechnya and Dagestan...if nuclear fallout falls on Chechens no one will suffer. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
It's amazing isn't it. If the US interferes in a region and controls airspace, it's oppression. If they do not, the same ones who cry oppression are utterly amazed that the US cannot control airspace and allow such a thing to happen. In fact, it becomes collusion by extension. Will you people make up your fucking minds? Do you want the USA to police these things, or not?
Its very simple. One cannot be a secularist and support a dictator or a monarchy. One cannot kill people and expect to be "understood" as a liberator
The only reason the US wishes to be "understood as a liberator" is to please silly people who count such things as being important. The goal is power. Those who don't have it, complain about those who do. Incessantly. Right, Sam?
And those who don't (complain) live in Saudi Arabia. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I find your description inaccurate. Dictatorships and Monarchies can be secular. Theoretically, one could liberate a society through military force which also happens to kill people.
True, Stalin was exceptionally secular. And Hilter was only trying to diminish the effects of religion, paganism and abnormal biology.
Such as the citizenry of the United States, which has not yet been completely disenfranchised, and which is capable of picking this entire misbegotten oligocapitalist cabal up by the ears, shaking the money out of its pockets, and packing it off to jail where it belongs. Hence the efforts spent on misinformation, disinformation, secrecy, etc., by the short-horizoned goombahs who find themselves with an unplanned situation developing according to its reality. And a lot of dead people to account for.
