View Full Version : UN as a group of conspirators?


Hypercane
07-05-04, 08:39 AM
I practically have no evidence on this but you could never discount the possibility.

Alpha
07-05-04, 08:40 AM
Conspirators to what end? Usually the consipracy theories are about Bush and the war, which the UN was opposed to.

otheadp
07-05-04, 09:23 AM
UN is all about conspiracies
each country tries to protect its interests so it schemes and collaborates and block-votes and makes deals behind the scenes and presents the deals as something they're not

fuck the UN

Undecided
07-05-04, 01:22 PM
fuck the UN

Yes, I would love to see you say that in 1948 you hypocrite. The only conspiracy with the UN is the conspiracy of ignorance about the UN. Million’s as shown above really don’t comprehend that the UN is not a body unto itself, the UN is merely the messenger not the message, the message is dictated by member states they are the UN. The UN has its problems to be sure, corruption, espionage, and (not so much now) but the UN can be split into blocs. But I’d rather have a UN, then no UN and I don’t fear the UN being dismantled. The US, China, Russia, France, and the UK need the UN for legitimacy so the UN is here to stay.

Crimson_Scribe
07-05-04, 01:46 PM
I can see an orginization within the UN pulling some sort of conspericy . . . maybe the World Bank or IMF pulling a Mefo, but chances are that the UN is simply a backdrop for members to weave their own conspericies. The UN isn't so much as an entity as it is a forum of voices and a collection of orginizations.

cyberia
07-05-04, 02:06 PM
Taken from the general assembly minutes of october the 12th 1993-

"Yes! Lets conspire to bring people food aid and medical assistance!
MWAHAHAHA! OOOOH! We are so devious oh yes we are!"

What more proof do you need?
Oh hey if they really got together they could pull of the GREATEST April fool's day joke EVER! I mean they could pull it off world wide.

Crimson_Scribe
07-06-04, 12:54 AM
I'd think that the UN's inheirant inability to function efficiantly would make it a bad canidate for a conspericy-starting group.

cyberia
07-06-04, 01:53 AM
that and they would probably be rather innefective as they would bureacratize (if thats a word) and overhead all secrecy and funding out of any plan they would try to implement.

Mr. Chips
07-06-04, 02:34 AM
Here is some evidence that the UN has succumbed to vested interests as far as its basic assesment of potential dangers goes http://www.comite-bandajevsky.org/zzz_angl/Whos%20who/script.doc

Until this article I was not aware of the great difference of research findings within the organizations of the UN itself. Incredible.

I remember seeing something recently about potential participants to WHO conference in other countries have to get express permission from the White House to attend. Think of the information sequestering potentials that brings into play.

otheadp
07-06-04, 10:39 AM
nicky, the UN of 1948 is not the UN of 2004
countries have learned over time how to use the UN best for their personal national gains.

you're right... it's better with the UN than without it.
not because it's such a good and potent and just and powerful organization - but for the reason that the UN is a useful inconvinience...

it can't do the things it's designated to do or enforce its own resolutions or be fair, but at least it's a tool with which to fuck other countries

for example, without the UN and its 17 UNSCRs against Saddam, the US would've invaded anyway because of Saddam's actions, but she couldn't have said "there are 17 broken UNSCRs"

instead of bombing Bushehr (Iranian nuke reactor) and just solving the problem by themselves, the Israelis / Americans make a nice UNSCR to fuck with Iran
it won't do any good, but at least it'll make Iran look bad in the world's view. the UNSCR will be broken by Iran, of course, and their reactors will be bombed regardless, because of UN's incompetence and impotence, but at least there'll be a resolution giving semi-legitimacy to the act.

the UN is a useful tool even though it's not doing its designed purpose

Undecided
07-06-04, 01:47 PM
nicky, the UN of 1948 is not the UN of 2004

Indeed, the Israeli’s have some nice friends in some high places who seem to veto every resolution there is. So it’s only gotten that much better, Israel is doing better now then ever before in the UN so I don’t see why you would complain.

countries have learned over time how to use the UN best for their personal national gains.

So? That’s diplomacy, money, influence, and power. That’s the way its always been and going to be. Things haven’t changed if not even got better.

it can't do the things it's designated to do or enforce its own resolutions or be fair, but at least it's a tool with which to fuck other countries

The resolutions are fair, if they weren’t fair then the US or Russia would easily veto it. Resolutions passed are fair, why, because the states that have resolutions placed against them have them for a reason. So let’s avoid this pretentious and simplistic notion of “the victim” nonsense.

without the UN and its 17 UNSCRs against Saddam, the US would've invaded anyway because of Saddam's actions, but she couldn't have said "there are 17 broken UNSCRs"

Exactly, at least the 17 broken resolutions gave the US some form of legitimacy from the zero she had otherwise.

instead of bombing Bushehr (Iranian nuke reactor) and just solving the problem by themselves, the Israelis / Americans make a nice UNSCR to fuck with Iran

So they should, that is what civilized societies do, what civilized societies do as well is follow the edicts of the resolutions, if Iran gets attacked I know some other states that deserve a good bombing.

the UNSCR will be broken by Iran, of course, and their reactors will be bombed regardless, because of UN's incompetence and impotence, but at least there'll be a resolution giving semi-legitimacy to the act.

It’s not the UN’s fault it is the fault of the US, and other SC members who want to limit the powers of the UN. If the UN could she would enforce her resolutions, so if you have a problem don’t blame Kofi, blame the real powers that be.

the UN is a useful tool even though it's not doing its designed purpose

It’s role is to prevent World War III, so far it’s done it’s job.