I KNEW it! When I woke up that morning with the strange intuition that my prophecy was real, I knew that I had to look for UFOs. And so did I. In that strange morning of September, last year, I walked to the kitchen to have my breakfast when I've met my homestay parent there, staring at the TV, speachless. I looked at it. My eyes became fuzzy as the tears came to my eyes. My hair straighted up as if I've had seen a ghost: my prophecy WAS real.

As I looked, I payed attention. My eyes stared at the TV looking for them. I looked to the smoke, an object moving fast. I didn't know if it was what I was looking for. Suddenly, an object pass really fast from one side to another, I though it was only dust (later, today, I would discover it was not...). I went to school. I continued watching it. And as the two towers came down and I saw nothing I started to wonder if they know what was going on. They have already been once in that city, followed by jets, they turned off the electricity. For one day, the city was in darkness. In the second time, it was longer.

I didn't understand why would they disappear in such moment. Today, as I see those videos, I'm again speachless for the fact that I know what's really going on here. And I ask myself, how do they know what will happen and when...

Here the videos and some things about it.
Fell free to criticize... :D

WTC UFOs

Videos:
http://www.tvbn.org/StopTerrorism/WTCUFO.html
Careful analysis:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/WTC_UFO.html
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/GNNWTCUFO.html

New York Blackouts 65/77:
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/mufonontario/archive/blkout.htm
http://members.evansville.net/slk/blackout.htm
http://www.tranquileye.com/truth/casebook/northeast_blackout.html
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/nyne.htm
Archives:
http://www.blackout.gmu.edu/archive/a_1965.html#usnwr_65

They REALLY exist...
UFO Video's taken from the Space Shuttle:
http://www.aliendave.com/VIDEOSongs.html
Impresive slides:
http://www.cowan70.freeserve.co.uk/index_main.htm
More:
http://communities.msn.com/TheParanormalConspiracy/photography.msnw

Love,
Nelson

I hope you are just being funny. I can make such movies, given appropriate software.

Have you really seen the videos...?
Do you really think Japanese guys filming it at the moment it was happening could edit it so fast (while fiming it!!!)...?? :bugeye: :bugeye: :eek:

I - can't watch that - what is it?

A movie showing three UFOs in the WTC...
The third one is not confirmed though...

Of course you don't edit while filming it. You film the event, then use an animation programme to draw small black shapes into each frame, or each third frame for example.

Adam,

They were showing this to Japanese people while it was happening. The Japonese people saw the UFOs while they were filming it at that time. If they didn't, the whole story would already be considered a hoax. Besides that, why would the Japanese TV do such a thing like... creating this sensationalism? They wouldn't be stupid to do so, as it would destroy their credibility! And even more... many people filmed that. The American TV and others might have got the same videos... ;) How would you explain such thing? Everyone edited their films exactly in the same way? :D:D:D

Love,
Nelson

To turn your argument to other side (I have the feeling tht you can't be convinced tht it was a hoax) -> Why in hell would aliens be interested in watching some pesky earthlings crushing in two rather small structures (compared to theirs). If they wanted to watch the show, they could do it from a distance.

They certainly are very interested in what's going on here... and they probably know more than us...

Again-> let them be interested in what's going on our planet, why should they watch two planes crash into two buildings other thn because it's a "spectacular" site.

Yeah Nelson, there's things like this all over the internet. There's one with supposed footage that was not edited that shows no plane even hit the Pentagon. Other ones show the Devil escaping in smoke (now, how would aliens make a devil head? or why?)......

They're set up to fool idiots.

They're set up to fool idiots.

News on TV too... :D:D:D:D:D

Oh yeah, those websites are so reliable eh?

The second one you have listed contains EVERY conspiracy under the sun, including the ones that were made up using very faked photos. Like the clips from the Disney movies (if you actually have a copy at home, you can stop them at the scenes and find out they're very faked). Some picture of an apparently turned off tv with an alien head on it...A picture of a big mac with a complete chicken head in it......A jellyfish flying????

One of the sites claims to prove bigfoot, ghosts......


One is actualy called Conspiracy World



Nelson, after a short while something becomes evident of you....you'll take any source that agrees with you or helps you no matter how unreliable it is.

But if it contradicts you, it doesn't matter how reliable it is.

I will laugh a lot when they land in front of the white house... :D:D:D

One of those sites, for example:
http://www.cowan70.freeserve.co.uk/index_main.htm

Go to "Alien Images".
Look for the pictures... are those not true?
Besides that, most of those photographs have already been tested. I see many of those in other sites.

About ghost and bigfoots... I don't know...
Ghost... perhaps...
But bigfoot... I don't believe... even though I accept it can be true... while you don't... :rolleyes: :o

The most interesting is that EVERYONE describes UFOs and ETs in the exact same way...:rolleyes: :eek: :bugeye: :o

Love,
Nelson

The most interesting is that EVERYONE describes UFOs and ETs in the exact same way and everyone waches hollywood.....;)

It is called IMPACT DEBRIS YOU FUCKING THRICE DAMNED CONTEMPTIBLE MONSTROUS MORON!!!!!!!

JESUS FUCKING GOD DAMNED CHRIST IMPALED ON A TELPHONE POLE!

Do you have any idea how easy it is to fake images like the ones on that last site you posted? They actually had clips from that ludicrous Fox "Alien Autopsy" special on there! You cannot be so colossally stupid as to think that genuine. I could make more convincing images than anything on those sites. Fucking hell....

off topic---
abouth your signature Northwind:cool: there is actually a sanctuary. my site for my sciforums id is called Sanctuary:D


about Seeker, I can't get it, how can he think tht they can not be faked. I have made such pictures with my graphical progs tht adding another layer with some saucers is a kids game even for such an unprofessional like me (3d graphics and art).

Truthseeker

You sir, are a cad. You are the lowest form of life on this planet. How dare you bring such contemptible crap to this forum. Have you no decency, no respect for the people that died that day. Are you so starved for attention you have to stoop to this level of stupidity.

You have insulted and degraded the memories of those that died on September 11. Good, decent people that didn't deserve to die. You are less of a person than those that piloted those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

I spit in your face, you miserable, pathetic moron.

I hope the administrator or the moderators see their way clear to deleting this thread in its entirety and banning Truthseeker.

Seriously, I cannot watch that. Is it impact debris, Northwind?

Ah, relax Q, they were just Americans. :rolleyes:

It's the anniversery, you know.....eight months ago, we were attacked by a vicious band of thugs, in the name of their perverted and despicable religious ideology.

They thought that they could stop us, that they could hit us and we would run.

Fools.

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/us_48star_wte.gif

Xev

How can anyone with a shred of decency say such things. Rather then feeling horror and pain watching as thousands of innocent people perished, Truthseeker was searching for UFO's in order to realize his "prophecy." Rather then shedding a tear for the families left to suffer without their loved ones, Truthseeker is paying attention to the smoke billowing from the WTC trying to catch a glimpse of a UFO. As the towers came crumbling down snuffing out the remaining lives of those trapped inside, Truthseeker did not think of those people, instead he wondered if the rest of the world was thinking the same twisted thoughts he was, as to whether we realized there may be UFO's.

In other words, he has taken the tragedy of September 11 and turned it into some kind of freak show to satisfy his unbounding ego. He chose to view the murdering of innocent people not as something about them, but instead he viewed it as something about himself. He couldn't care less if thousands of people were being slaughtered before his very eyes. He only thought of himself and his ridiculous UFO prophecy. He is a maggot.

I don't know about the rest of the members here, but the Q is truly sickened by what Truthseeker wrote. He doesn't deserve our pity.

Q: I am glad that I am not the only one who is still - affected - by this.

That sounds horrible - I should wish that everyone is over it - well, never mind.

I don't see how Nelson could look for UFOs in that...I cannot bear to see even a still image of the towers....the damage to the Pentagon is a bit more bearable.

Anyways, I know that Nelson dosen't like America or Americans. So I suppose that I shouldn't be suprised.

But....well....human beings of all nationalities died that day.

Well, enough of that! I'd prefer to hyjack this thread into a memorial of sorts...

I have to admitt Xev, I hate what you just wrote.

I don't understand how people are still "affected" by the attacks. About 3000 people died. I think a lot of Americans are so greatly hurt by this because it "hit close to home". The thing is, I personally don't see it that way (and yes, before some idiot asks me; I do know someone who died that day). It only 'hits close to home' if you (a) didn't know it was coming and (b) were greatly removed from incidents occuring around the world. The fact is, we did know it was coming. September 6th (first few days of school) I read an essay by my history teacher's friend entitled 'The Coming Terror' and between that, my own debates with friends and organized debate, I was not all that surprised when the attack came. In fact, the first thing I thought when I heard it (which was at the beginning of English class) was, hmmmmm, so I wonder which group it was.....and will there be a real war? It wasn't Oh My God!!! like so many other people reacted. I just knew inside my head that it was coming very soon and this was it. And secondly, the intellect should be a little less affected by this, I believe. If you have a firm grasp of what goes on in other countries and, even better, if you have witnessed and seen horrible things, you should realize that 3000 people dieing in an attack is not the worse thing since Pearl Harbour (I love how Americans picked Pearl Harbour to relate it to.......when the Holocaust was much, much worse... Actually, I don't wonder, I know why. It's because Pearl Harbour was an attack on American soil. And Americans, as a society, consider anything that happens to them 10X more of a tragedy than anything that happens to other people). What about all of the torturing that went on under American-supported fascists after WWII?

See, if people as a whole had a better grasp of what has gone on outside of their backyard, we would have a much more realistic society.


"...I cannot bear to see even a still image of the towers"

Why not? It makes you think too much of the 3000 dead? How about looking at a swastika? Can you stand that? Or hows about a picture of Churchill? Can you stand that? What about a picture of the Kremlin circa 1949? Can you stand that?

I should hope not. If you can look at anything Nazi related, that means that you're just another patriot without a firm grasp of reality Xev, and not something I expect of you. Six million (roughly) died because of bigotry, a bigotry far greater than the one that killed your 3000 (which is roughly a 1 Yank:2000 Jews ratio). If you can look at a Nazi picture, then you 'cannot bear' looking at the picture not because of the immense number of death, but because it was American death. Maybe your attitude is that an American life is more important than any other (be it European Jew or whatever), but that certainly is not mine.


By the way, even if it's just that you cant stand thinking about that much death (which would confuse me because you seem quite open about Fascism/Hitler and Communism), I see that as an odd sign of weakness in an otherwise brilliant and rational human being. A picture is a picture, nothing more.

But yes, Nelson, you show a disgusting lack of respect for those who died.

I have to agree that looking at that WTC stuff makes me sick. So does looking at mass graves from WW2, the ruins after the nukes were dropped on Japana, mass graves from Bosnia, and so on. Whether we expect these things or not, whether we understand the reasons or not, these acts remain sickening.

Xev,

It looks to me like it could easily be impact debris, yes. However, my brother informs me that he has seen these pics before, and if you blow them up, it is a bird. You can even see the wings flapping.

It could also be an anvil.

I remain very affected by all these events. However, for it takes the form of trying to find out what really happened. i do not for a moment believe the official story. I also do not believe that we have gone after those really responsible. That is what scares me, while Bush the Younger was off securing an oil pipeline for his Big Oil cronies, whoever really did this to us is STILL OUT THERE.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there...

Tyler:

I don't understand how people are still "affected" by the attacks. About 3000 people died. I think a lot of Americans are so greatly hurt by this because it "hit close to home".

Naw. Most have forgotten - that peculiar American virtue.

It only 'hits close to home' if you (a) didn't know it was coming and (b) were greatly removed from incidents occuring around the world. The fact is, we did know it was coming. September 6th (first few days of school) I read an essay by my history teacher's friend entitled 'The Coming Terror' and between that, my own debates with friends and organized debate, I was not all that surprised when the attack came

Interesting. A good friend dies after a long battle with cancer....you are not affected?

And secondly, the intellect should be a little less affected by this, I believe. If you have a firm grasp of what goes on in other countries and, even better, if you have witnessed and seen horrible things, you should realize that 3000 people dieing in an attack is not the worse thing since Pearl Harbour (I love how Americans picked Pearl Harbour to relate it to.....

I never claimed it was. The Pearl Harbor rhetoric is mostly media posturing.

I should hope not. If you can look at anything Nazi related, that means that you're just another patriot without a firm grasp of reality Xev, and not something I expect of you.

Callous as it may seem, it's human nature to be more affected by the things that affect ourselves and those close to us than to be affected by things that are relativly distant in time.

You read about a murder - are you as affected by that as you would be by the murder of your sister?

Sorry, but more people would be affected by the murder of thier sister.

Maybe your attitude is that an American life is more important than any other (be it European Jew or whatever), but that certainly is not mine.

By that logic, you ought to be more affected by the Thirty Years War than by the murder of your sister. The rato is about the same.

For the record, I do feel the same revulsion to swasticas, as well as pictures of the camps. I felt quite nauseous after reading a description of Trujillo's regime.

Oh I can deal with it easily enough. I could analyze Nelson's photos if I chose to. But I prefer not to.

If this is weakness, I accept the label with pride.

Edit to add: Adamski, well put.

Northwind: I see, thank you.

As someone previously suggest, although the WTC was a real atrocity, England has suffered at the hands of such atrocities for years.

Take for instance the bombing of London and even the centre of Manchester. Okay so the death tolls weren't as high, which is good, but tourists still roam these green and pleasant lands.

It doesn't take much to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As for the WTC, many people seem to neglect certain information regarding the actual structuring of the building, aluminium melts at a low temperature in comparison to other materials, and the WTC although an innovative design for it's time, was flawed by it's materials. If it had been the ESB then it's structuring might of withheld.

If anyone thinks I do not grieve for the loss of the people from that day, well there is a portion that does and portion that might think a few of them were in the right place.

One portion knows that if I had been able to build what I wanted to build, without questioning the entrapy caused by information passing FLS, then I probably would have been able to get a word out or at least be running round like "Bruce Willis from Twelve Monkeys" trying to get someones attention.

Although the problem would have occured, if I could have got the building evacuated (Now understand I didn't see this event happening before it did) all those people returning home with a near miss, and possibly the buildings still stand could of contributed to so many universal changes at all the same time that it would of caused more than just a chaos reaction. Not just that but the war on terrorism wouldn't now be being fought by so many countries, who are now trying to legislate themselves to work in a more co-operative fashion.

As for those images, it could be a bird, but it's more likely that the RADAR tracking the planes, continued to follow the planes trajectory since know one knew the blip would disappear from RADAR. It fooled the system.

You don't fool radar systems like that. The blip would not be there on the scope at all if there was no contact out there for the signal to bounce off. No contact = no blip.

PS: I was a radar specialist, among other things, in the navy.

"Naw. Most have forgotten - that peculiar American virtue."

???
In all honesty I disagree with this. On tv I can still see tons of things relating to it. Though, you would know better than I.



"Interesting. A good friend dies after a long battle with cancer....you are not affected?"

Of course I am. But I don't spend 8 months mulling over it. There's still Oprah shows and other talk shows and morning shows dealing with relatives of victims from the day.



"I never claimed it was. The Pearl Harbor rhetoric is mostly media posturing"

And I never claimed you claimed it was. I know that.



"Callous as it may seem, it's human nature to be more affected by the things that affect ourselves and those close to us than to be affected by things that are relativly distant in time.

You read about a murder - are you as affected by that as you would be by the murder of your sister?

Sorry, but more people would be affected by the murder of thier sister."

More affected, yes. Consider it a worse tragedy, no. Consider it earth-shattering, no. Consider it the biggest thing in the world since the last time my family was attacked, no.



"By that logic, you ought to be more affected by the Thirty Years War than by the murder of your sister. The rato is about the same."

You're mixing up your logic. I would still be more 'affected' by my sister dieing, but I would not consider it the worse of the two as far as tragedies go. One of the first things we heard after Sept. 11th was that this attack would be a huge blow to American ego. Well, it actually did the exact opposite. Trust me, the way things were handled with it, you would think it was WWIII with a nuclear bomb pointed at Washington.



"For the record, I do feel the same revulsion to swasticas, as well as pictures of the camps. I felt quite nauseous after reading a description of Trujillo's regime.

Oh I can deal with it easily enough. I could analyze Nelson's photos if I chose to. But I prefer not to.

If this is weakness, I accept the label with pride."

I maintain, a picture is a picture. Personally, I can realize that and not feel uncomfortable.

Adam,

At the time your talking about a hijacked plane, the question was "Where is it going?", now understand I'm not even sure if the altitude was right, afterall the buildings would of shown up?

The point was that if I was tracking a moving object with the assumption that they have a predesignated destination that the aircraft would be being tracked by dopplers from RADAR and GPS, creating a mergence of dopplers at the crafts position.
(This is why that F117-A has all all the weird angles and dodgy paint work, to bounce the signals, or disrupt them enough to be stealth)

Now all those matrices were following that planes path, and when that plane hit the building, the matrices continued along the path until they lost constituacy (as the wave formations were lashing against themselves to begin with.)

You can suggest that this doesn't happen, but you'll be suprised how many pilots don't want to report UFO's chasing them... especially when it's found just to be a doppler signal from their own craft interfacing with a pocket of EM.

Tyler:

"???
In all honesty I disagree with this. On tv I can still see tons of things relating to it. Though, you would know better than I."

"Of course I am. But I don't spend 8 months mulling over it. There's still Oprah shows and other talk shows and morning shows dealing with relatives of victims from the day."

Media posturing, mostly. They are still milking the time kids in Littleton Colorodo started shooting people in their school....and that happened years ago.

I don't watch Oprah or talk shows, so all I really know are the way people around me feel.

Anyways, media people are utter vultures. They'll milk this one for all it's worth - like they did Oklahoma City - until they have a new tragedy to latch onto.

"You're mixing up your logic. I would still be more 'affected' by my sister dieing, but I would not consider it the worse of the two as far as tragedies go."

Nor would I. The Thirty Years War, WWI, WW2, The Chinese Civil War, the Russian Famine of the 'Thirties, hell, even the Mongol hordes were 'worse' tragedies.

However, this one affects me more. Callous or not, I think that that's human nature.

"I maintain, a picture is a picture. Personally, I can realize that and not feel uncomfortable."

We differ there. I do feel uncomfortable.

Stryder, Adamski:

"As for those images, it could be a bird, but it's more likely that the RADAR tracking the planes, continued to follow the planes trajectory since know one knew the blip would disappear from RADAR. It fooled the system."

Would a bird normally show up on radar? It does not seem like it should.....

Modern radar systems basically filter out stationary contacts. An air control radar right beside the city will have problems if half the scope is covered with huge blips from buildings. With stationary radars it's easier, you just don't shoe things on teh plot whch aren't moving. At sea you have to taek into account the ship's own movement and speed and all that to work out what is stationary. Even with that, it depends on the particular system; some will still show some stationary stuff.

Those "stealth" planes are pretty good, but not perfect. I'm not sure if this is classified info or not, but during Desert Strom our Jindalee system monitored the F117s flying over Baghdad.

Had to dash to the crapper - bad pizza.

Anyway, what was I going to say?

Once we were anchored off an island called Palao Tioman, with about two dozen ships from heaps of coutries. The water was like glass, with the tiniest waves rolling up on the beach. Our Krupp surface radar picked up those tiny little waves moving.

Northwind,

I remain very affected by all these events. However, for it takes the form of trying to find out what really happened. i do not for a moment believe the official story. I also do not believe that we have gone after those really responsible. That is what scares me, while Bush the Younger was off securing an oil pipeline for his Big Oil cronies, whoever really did this to us is STILL OUT THERE.

Tell this to Xev...
She doesn't know it...:bugeye: :eek: :rolleyes:

Love,
Nelson

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Northwind,



Tell this to Xev...
She doesn't know it...:bugeye: :eek: :rolleyes:

Love,
Nelson

TruthBeater, two things:

Don;t give Xev any shit.

And don't you EVER fucking agree with me again you contemptible piece of shit.

Congratulations, those are some of the nastiest posts I've seen here. And for what? Because TS thinks aliens were there watching what happened? If someone believes aliens were watching, just as the rest of us were watching, how does that equal ridiculing the event itself?

It's the anniversery, you know.....eight months ago, we were attacked by a vicious band of thugs, in the name of their perverted and despicable religious ideology. They thought that they could stop us, that they could hit us and we would run. Fools.

And to have revenge and not look coward you decided to bomb thousands of innocent afganistan civilians who had nothing to do with this terrible WTC strike. In the name of your filthy dollar/oil ideology and to show the whole world that who has the biggest guns, toys and toughest cowboy attitude.
They were fools indeed (kamikaze pilots who killed innocent americans). But how does that give you rights to bomb already bombed afaganistan. You aren't even sure if it was Osama and even if it was then how war and placing USA friendly puppet goverment in Afganistan helps you to catch Osama? Well at least you got your oilpipes, your puppet president Bush got lot more popular(succesful wars make patriotics happy), you got dead afganistans(including woman&children) for revenge, you got new police state laws in your country, and you got attention away from possible domestic problems for a while.

9/11 was terrible but the media attention it had and still has all over the world is maybe too big when it comes to casualties? Of course it's different thing when über Americans die than thousands of 3rd world country people who starve to death everyday, but that you don't want to see while watching television and eating your bigmac. And of course as you consume 100-10 000 more times than some 3rd world country people and it makes you part of great western materialism culture and more civilized, doesn't that make your ass more worth media attention too? Who cares if some farm village in afganistan gets bombed, they weren't even white&rich and it happend on other side of the earth.

I just love highly patriotic people. God bless them and the most FREE and DEMOCRATIC country in the world, USA!
You are so noble and wise that of course you can be world police and decide for others even if it ends up the way that benefits USA the most.


This was just to counter Xev's message which almost make me puke. :o So it was intented to be little pointy. Just some possibilities, but of course you can now say that I have been brainwashed by evil empires anti-Free anti-Democratic propaganda.

It's strange that skeptic doesn't seem to be skeptic towards very oddly acting authority but is higly skeptic when it's something threatening her/his absolute scientific/materialistic world view.

Peace is distant utopia unless miracle happens. :(

Adam

Northwind and Q
Congratulations, those are some of the nastiest posts I've seen here. And for what? Because TS thinks aliens were there watching what happened? If someone believes aliens were watching, just as the rest of us were watching, how does that equal ridiculing the event itself?

Did you not read Truthseekers opening paragraphs? Did you not *get* what he was saying? I'm not criticizing him for posting the links, although that was pretty stupid. I am criticizing him because he didn't think about the people that died. Instead he was thinking about himself and his ridiculous prophecy. Can't you see how blatantly and viciously selfish and arrogant he is for saying that ?

What were you thinking about when the jets hit the towers ? What were you feeling when the towers crumbled to dust taking the lives of those trapped inside ? Were you thinking about a UFO prophecy you may have dreamed up and then came to the conclusion that *you* were right about UFO's ?

I don't think my posts were "nasty" compared to what Truthseeker wrote. His opening remarks were downright despicable. I would love to see the results of what would happen if Truthseeker repeated those remarks face to face to someone who lost a loved one on September 11.

Originally posted by TruthSeeker

In that strange morning of September, last year, I walked to the kitchen to have my breakfast when I've met my homestay parent there, staring at the TV, speachless. I looked at it. My eyes became fuzzy as the tears came to my eyes.


Apart from the UFO bullshit, that's what TS said in his opening paragraphs.

As for myself, I wa son IRC at the time. Someone entered the channel and said "A plane just flew into the WTC!" I thought it was some joke he'd been on about with others earlier, because I had no idea what he wa son about. The dude insisted we all go look at our TVs, so I did. At first I thought it was some publicity stunt for a movie or something, some fancy special effects. Then it switched from that picture to a news guy talking, and I flipped through all the channels to find the same thing. Yes, for years I had been expecting something, for someone to do some kind of bombing in the USA. But I found it very hard to believe, like I was watching a movie. I watched it for hours. I think I eventually started thinking "Well, I knew something was gonna happen, but those were just civilians. Those buildings have child-care centres in them. I hate people. Peope suck." Watching those people just leap off the buildings was one of the more disgusting things I've ever seen.

Then all the emergency plans were happening. I was impressed. The president vanished, as he was supposed to. His top people all went immediately into secure locations. Air traffic stopped amazingly fast, that was very well done. Emergency services in NYC got into their jobs brilliantly, and I must say I have a huge amount of respect for them; they immediately stepped into thier roles, very well organised, and did everything they could. I was also impressed that New Yorkers donated more blood than the blood donation centres could cope with, queues lining up for miles to give a little. I was very impressed with Mayor Guliani.

A couple of days later I saw on TV some guy in the street being interviewed. He said something like "We should be over there blowing them up right now!" The reporter asked "Who?" The guys said "I dunno, all of them!" But Bush waited, and listened to his advisors. Whether you like or loathe Bush, he's had to deal with one of the crappiest situations a US president has had to deal with, and he did listen to his advisors rather than simply react.

Whether there is evidence against UBL and the Taliban or not, the fact remains that I have wanted the Taliban crushed for years. They are gone now. That is at least one positive result of the USA's response.

All in all, like I said somewhere else, it sickened me. I hate seeing humans do such things to each other. I'm not really concerned with religious and political differences. These were all humans, and they fucked each other up. It shouldn't happen.

Adam: Actually, this is:

I KNEW it! When I woke up that morning with the strange intuition that my prophecy was real, I knew that I had to look for UFOs. And so did I. In that strange morning of September, last year, I walked to the kitchen to have my breakfast when I've met my homestay parent there, staring at the TV, speachless. I looked at it. My eyes became fuzzy as the tears came to my eyes. My hair straighted up as if I've had seen a ghost: my prophecy WAS real.

As I looked, I payed attention. My eyes stared at the TV looking for them. I looked to the smoke, an object moving fast. I didn't know if it was what I was looking for. Suddenly, an object pass really fast from one side to another, I though it was only dust (later, today, I would discover it was not...). I went to school. I continued watching it. And as the two towers came down and I saw nothing I started to wonder if they know what was going on. They have already been once in that city, followed by jets, they turned off the electricity. For one day, the city was in darkness. In the second time, it was longer.

I didn't understand why would they disappear in such moment. Today, as I see those videos, I'm again speachless for the fact that I know what's really going on here. And I ask myself, how do they know what will happen and when...

Here the videos and some things about it.
Fell free to criticize...

In other words, Nelson immediatly started looking for UFOs. That, I think, is Q's criticism. That instead of worrying about the people inside, Nelson worried about his prophecies.

Also, I think that the Q's assessment of the situation is influenced by Nelson's previous anti-American ranting.

I will not comment on this, just try to clarify. Nelson's assessment and reaction is between him and his conscience.

It all depends. I find HIV's viral structure to be absolutly fascinating, as I do many virii and bacteria. This does not mean that I have no compassion for those afflicted....

Perhaps an anology could be drawn here. Perhaps not.

In any case, I apologize for the way I allowed emotion to creep into my previous posts.

Xev

In other words, Nelson immediatly started looking for UFOs. That, I think, is Q's criticism. That instead of worrying about the people inside, Nelson worried about his prophecies.

Thank you. That is it exactly.

Also, I think that the Q's assessment of the situation is influenced by Nelson's previous anti-American ranting.

No necessarily. Although I'm not surprised that Truthseeker was the one that came up with this idiocy, I would have jumped down the throat of anyone that would have posted such thoughts, even if they were yours. Of course, you would never do such a thing and I'm sure no one else here, except Truthseeker, would have as well.

Q:

No necessarily. Although I'm not surprised that Truthseeker was the one that came up with this idiocy, I would have jumped down the throat of anyone that would have posted such thoughts, even if they were yours. Of course, you would never do such a thing and I'm sure no one else here, except Truthseeker, would have as well.

I certainly would not....however, to claim that no-one else would have is a tad naive. You know how Banshee feels about the U.S, and I think Lava has made his/her/its "thoughts" on the matter quite clear.

Our country is hardly 'liked', especially in this crowd of crystel-swingers and fuzzy "thinkers". To expect them to hold off on using this tragedy to further their bizzare little theories is, well, unrealistic.

P.S: Lava, indeed I am a materialist, a scientist and a skeptic. Thank you for noting.

The rest of your gibberish is ignored, just as I ignore the rantings of a drunken street preacher. I only ask that, the next time you are abducted by aliens, they do not return you to this lovely, little blue planet.

Xev

I certainly would not....however, to claim that no-one else would have is a tad naive.

Maybe I am being naive. I hope not.

It is interesting to note that Truthseeker posted his original "thoughts" two days ago and has yet to deny my allegations.

I don't aruge if they exists or not since I have seen them by my self. But what I saw was unkown flying object, Was there a life form in there or not? I can't say. But it was UFO. Now as far as you are concern regarding UFOs in WTC, that does sound stupid, there were too many helicopters and cameras, and they could have catch even a brid flying in the sky. There were many helicopters and camera could have cought anything. Then how come and whole world missed that and only few websites captured it? There were not only US but all over the world's media looking at that.
Only videos that I would believe would be one by the NASA, I have seen that on Discovery channel before and only the second one not the first one. I have seen two more besided them one of them was an object closing in very fast towards earth and then suddenly slows down, NASA commentator said it is impossible for an astroid to break right above horizon and then that obeject was joined by 4 more objects and they all hold still for a long time right above the horizon and they captured it all on video from shuttle. Very interesting video. Anyways, for WTC I don't see any UFOs there at all. It could be helicopter or something or just work of some nice graphics program.

Later.:cool:

Originally posted by Xev
Seriously, I cannot watch that. Is it impact debris, Northwind?

Ah, relax Q, they were just Americans. :rolleyes:

It's the anniversery, you know.....eight months ago, we were attacked by a vicious band of thugs, in the name of their perverted and despicable religious ideology.


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Don't you think, it would be personal ideology, religion could be just a shield to hide behind?

Sorry Markx. I meant somthing along the lines of a personal religious ideology....I guess I didn't express that very well.

Then again, I was even patriotic. :o

Q:
Maybe I am being naive. I hope not.

I hope so too, although I doubt your claim that few others would have done the same as Nelson.

Thanks for the pic Xev. ;)
looks awesome so thats you correct?.

Wait wait wait a second, a picture of xev, the real xev, where? Or is this a joke...?

I've been following this thread a bit, and I think Marx has a point. There really is no chance in hell that only one little camera caught a UFO flying past the second airplane when it hit, by then the media's eye had focused on the city. There are videos, lots of them, from many different angles, of the second plane hitting, but with no UFO following it. This is fake or it is a bird that was in the right place at the right time, it seems.

But I did see an intriguing UFO video on scifi.com/happens, where in those golden pre-9/11 days (although I say this trust me I'm not as patriotic as most americans are depicted on tv) this pair of people was taking a helicoptor tour (a few years ago while in the city I heard one advertised for $20!!) and luckily they had a camera with them and they spotted this UFO next to one of the towers. All of a sudden it shot by them, and the guy filming the whole thing whirls around and catches this stream of air flying into the blue sky. If it was fake (which is likely, since there is no chance in hell that they were the only ones to see it if it was in the bowels of Manhattan) then it was a damn good fake, with a good close up of the flying saucer, while it was hovering.

The scifi channel advertised this on tv, and on their website, but they've taken the video off for some reason. Did anyone see it?

Polly:
Wait wait wait a second, a picture of xev, the real xev, where? Or is this a joke...?

He's refering to my avatar. Why's everybody so curious to know what I look like, anyway?

Give me a reason why and I'll eventually post somthing....

Marx has a point.

Commie bastard! :p

Q will be interested to note the description of the video on the site shamen gave us:

"Very cool"

Fucking peice of shit. I hope whoever wrote that suffers even a little teeny fraction of the pain the people in the WTC felt.

Edit to add:

Okay, I watched the fucking videos. Firstoff, there is no way that is a actual 'craft'. I see a lot of dust associated with it....which we would expect from impact debris. If you note the point of impact, relative to our little blur, the hypothesis that it is impact debris gains strength. That looks to be about where the force of impact, the 'action' would have its equal and opposite reaction.

Simple Newtonian physics dispells any mystery.

Also, if it's a craft, why is it moving as if to crash into the ground?

Originally posted by Xev

Give me a reason why and I'll eventually post somthing....

I'll let you see my stamp collection... :p

Adam:
Either

A: That's some 'code word' for some bizzare sexual activity (I'd expect that from you, prevert!) or

B: You are referring to an actual stamp collection, in which case, boooooring.

Xev, you've got me all wrong! It's actually C: A bizzare sexual activity involving an actual stamp collection... :p

Prevert. :p

Pervert or not. I think thats a good reason to post a pic now.........well i am interested i dunno about rest of you all. How about.....hmm........you can come and visit Big D, I can be your host?....Show you around galleria.......:p . I hope you like ice skating. ;)

Did any one else see the Discovery chanel video I mena the one from NASA?.

Northwind,

I am criticizing him because he didn't think about the people that died. Instead he was thinking about himself and his ridiculous prophecy. Can't you see how blatantly and viciously selfish and arrogant he is for saying that ?

There weren't UFOs in my prophecy...
I just sensed then, when it was happening...
What called my attention, of course...:rolleyes:

And who said I didn't think about those people...?
I though about them mainly after what happened, when I could control my feelings. At the time it was happening, I preferred to forget it otherwise I would certainly become crazy...:bugeye:

Besides that, I don't believe you really cared about those people... as you said...

And don't you EVER fucking agree with me again you contemptible piece of shit.

And that's because I agreed with you...
Imagine if I hadn't...

Originally posted by shaman1301:
I watched that video at least 50 times. It looks pretty real to me:better than Hollywood could do. My only doubt is why it was never reported in the news or anywhere. Can anyone who has seen this video explain how it could be a hoax?

Heloooo!?
Can anyone answer the public?:rolleyes:
We want to know!:D

shaman... I guess anyone report it because it IS real... ;)
Remember that not only the Japanese TV recorded it, but also an american filmed it...

If you compare both videos, you might find out that they fit together, the UFO appear in the same position, at the same time, but in different angles...
Coincidence...?:confused:

No...

The Truth is out there :bugeye: :eek:
:D
:cool:

Love,
Nelson

Xev: a reason. Almost every prominent member has posted a pic under the picture thread. I am at least interested in what everyone else looks like. It's your choice if you don't want to post one for whatever reason, but I think you should give it a go, like most of the rest of us.

Plus I have this collection of klingon figurines and giant swords I'd let you have a look at (hahahhahaa I'm just kidding that thing about the cards was really funny)

Pollux, don't be so eager. She sent me a pic of her, and it wasn't really the high point of my day.

Yes, I'm JOKING!!!

She actually looks quite good in that leather outfit in the picture... :p

Adam: hahaha. BTW I got oeddie back in free thoughts for logging into my account and saying I was gay. I got him REAL good!!

Yeah Xev! We all posted pics! I even scanned three pics and put them together (took me 4 hours it did......)!

Are you planning to show us these pics, Tyler? Once I get some wires for my digital camera I plan to get some updates of myself along with cactus, oedipus, lesion, and maybe potatoe.

Dude, they're posted on the site under the picture thread. Check the 16th page I believe it is.

She actually looks quite good in that leather outfit in the picture...

Don't make me hurt you, Adamski. :p

*Grumbles*

Fine, fine I'll post somthing. Eventually. Like in a few months ;)

Nelson:
Heloooo!?
Can anyone answer the public?
We want to know!

Umm, I did.

Dude, they're posted on the site under the picture thread. Check the 16th page I believe it is.

Well, dude I've like, looked there maan, and like, I found the pic but since my connexion is being, like, a major bummer, I, like had to stop waiting for like, the pictures to download [dude]. I have to like, wait until I can like, get to school tomorrow, cause like, they have these RAD T1 connexions that are like so incredibly awsome, totally duderiffic...

Yousetyourselfupyousetyourselfup lallalallaa! This is payback for your little comment in my philosophy thread (notice the connexions)

Hahahaha, okay you had your laugh. As Han said; laugh it up, furball.

My 'right' comments weren't even in mockery of you. I just use them to prove a point when I'm in a bad mood!

But dude, come on, like, you don't have to do a bad joke just to get, like, back at me....right?

Oh, and to get the pic to work you can't just click the link. You need to copy and paste the address into an Internet Explorer window.

Hahahhahahahahha to the second-to-last-post.

That's what I did (I am a tech-savvy one, forget not!), my connexion is just very slow, I believe we have at least one virus and we also lack a working cd drive (so we can't install antivirus software! ha isn't that funny?!?)

BTW Han said 'fuzzball' methinks. I've got to start a movie quote game somewhere. Off to free thoughts then!

Xev,

Umm, I did.

Umm... don't remember that...

Love,
Nelson

Nelson:

You probably missed it:

Okay, I watched the fucking videos. Firstoff, there is no way that is a actual 'craft'. I see a lot of dust associated with it....which we would expect from impact debris. If you note the point of impact, relative to our little blur, the hypothesis that it is impact debris gains strength. That looks to be about where the force of impact, the 'action' would have its equal and opposite reaction.

Simple Newtonian physics dispells any mystery.

Also, if it's a craft, why is it moving as if to crash into the ground?

Hey, guys, you don't tease Nelson for not posting anything! Why? Because you're just hoping I'm cute, and you want to ogle.

SEXIST PIGS! :p

Where is this much vaunted 'pictures' thread?

Don't make me hurt you, Adamski.

First the leather and now this! I'm flattered! :p


Hey, guys, you don't tease Nelson for not posting anything! Why? Because you're just hoping I'm cute, and you want to ogle.

SEXIST PIGS!

Well, duh!

Check the first page of site feedback, passout. Welcome to sciforums.

Cheers Pollux, it's great to finally take the plunge and post...I've been reading various forums here for about a month now and you guys all seem so friendly *gush*.

Anyway I'll be sure to check out the pix.....
:)

Welcome to sciforums, passout. Glad you saw fit to post. Don't be a stranger.

Thanks wet1...its good to be here.

*mumbles*so many threads, so little time....

If you have not discovered it, passout, there is a blue bar at the bottom of the opening page where all the threads are listed for each forum. Right next to the go button it says "last page". Change that to read "the begining" and you will find a lot more threads. There is also the archives on the home page.

I will now get out of the thread so that it may return to the topic...

Thanx again wet1, will check it out..:D

Xev,

What about this:

If you compare both videos, you might find out that they fit together, the UFO appear in the same position, at the same time, but in different angles... Coincidence...?

And why the craft (or dust...) comes from behind the tower? It seems that it was distant, so this means that it mihght be pretty big...

Love,
Nelson

And why the craft (or dust...) comes from behind the tower? It seems that it was distant, so this means that it mihght be pretty big...

Yes, simple action-reaction. Newton's third law.

Dust or debris, I'm not sure which.

Adamski:
"First the leather and now this! I'm flattered"

Flattery is 7,500 USD. Pay now or I have security rough you up. :p

"I have the feeling tht you can't be convinced tht it was a hoax"

Some people need to believe in something greater than themselves. A weakness I think. He believes in God too, and bigfoot i expect ;) Try to think about things the governments tried to cover up over the years - and failed! You think that all the alien technology just happens to fall into nevada? There would be proof by now of ANYTHING. But there isn't.

"For the record, I do feel the same revulsion to swasticas, as well as pictures of the camps."

Personally the swastikas don't bother me at all. I sort of remember that the buddhists used it as a symbol of something (and not ethnic cleansing), so i'm not going to let the nazi's perverse it. It still does, of course, remind me of WWII though.

"biggest guns, toys and toughest cowboy attitude. "

It does seem like Bush is a cowboy. The USA's war on the terrorist countries seemed like a quick revenge thing - or a front for the oil. Bush is a capatalist bastard! Someone mentioned in another thread that smoking kills more americans per week than the number of people who died in the WTC. It would have been better to use a fraction of the 'war' money for that instead. 'war' because the USA isn't actually at war, according to their 'alert status' thing.

"I just love highly patriotic people. God bless them and the most FREE and DEMOCRATIC country in the world, USA!
You are so noble and wise that of course you can be world police and decide for others even if it ends up the way that benefits USA the most. "

Ah, sarcasm ;) It is quite funny that the American's think they can police the world just because they think that they're the best, but in reality there are just as many problems with them as anyone else. The american's were so against communism in the 50's. But communism works! If done right. Canada has a communist medical care system. It isn't perfect, but I'd give up every penny in taxes to keep it!

"Then how come and whole world missed that and only few websites captured it?"

If one website captures something; every other one can too. And the web breeds bullshit, there is a lot of great stuff on the internet, probably nearly every great literary work man has created (you think?), but any idiot can say anything too, and have it published.

"Because you're just hoping I'm cute, and you want to ogle. "

I want to ogle! But image isn't important on the internet. It really frees people to be great. So post nothing and I can avoid the annoyances of erections that hamper the creative process so much.

I can't say that the WTC thing affected me much. It was just like WWII to me - just history. I don't know why. But I didn't know anybody there... so that was prolly the reason. Sad maybe, but true.

I think it's better that it didn't affect me. Stress sucks. If I did know somebody I would do the usual bottling up sort of thing I think. What good is crying over something out of my control! Either do something about it - or don't worry about it.

jjhlk, dead inside?