Story 1
WASHINGTON, USA - A military helicopter was photographed pursuing a super fast UFO in Washington State, America last week
http://www.australia.to/story/0,25197,23040467-289,00,00.html

http://www.australia.to/story/Chinook_Chasing_UFO_500.jpg





Story 2
UFO spotted by police helicopter

The helicopter crew spotted the aircraft earlier this month
A police helicopter crew has spotted what is described as an unusual aircraft in the Vale of Glamorgan.

The helicopter was above St Athan, which is home to an RAF base and close to Cardiff International Airport.

But three-man crew could not capture any images before the object vanished over the Bristol Channel on 8 June.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7465041.stm



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A British man who used a low speed dial-up connection from his girlfriend's aunt's house to hack into the Pentagon's computers made an appeal in the British House of Lords on Monday not to be extradited to the United States.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/ufo-fanatic-fights-extradition-bid-over-hacking/2008/06/17/1213468371073.html

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Sightings (video) are picking up in huge way.
There's a new one almost every day and increasing.

Story 1
WASHINGTON, USA - A military helicopter was photographed pursuing a super fast UFO in Washington State, America last week
http://www.australia.to/story/0,25197,23040467-289,00,00.html

http://www.australia.to/story/Chinook_Chasing_UFO_500.jpg





Story 2
UFO spotted by police helicopter

The helicopter crew spotted the aircraft earlier this month
A police helicopter crew has spotted what is described as an unusual aircraft in the Vale of Glamorgan.

The helicopter was above St Athan, which is home to an RAF base and close to Cardiff International Airport.

But three-man crew could not capture any images before the object vanished over the Bristol Channel on 8 June.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7465041.stm



story 3


A British man who used a low speed dial-up connection from his girlfriend's aunt's house to hack into the Pentagon's computers made an appeal in the British House of Lords on Monday not to be extradited to the United States.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/ufo-fanatic-fights-extradition-bid-over-hacking/2008/06/17/1213468371073.html

''He says, we are not alone...''

... in the words of Dana Scully, in reporting to Mulders superiors....

Digital cameras and camcorders are getting a lot cheaper and easier to get... so of course documented sightings are on the rise. Doesn't mean they are all legit UFO's though.

Digital cameras and camcorders are getting a lot cheaper and easier to get... so of course documented sightings are on the rise. Doesn't mean they are all legit UFO's though.

Won't change much, don't think.

All the video and film of the past fifty years, as well as all the sightings, testimonies, and other physical evidence, has never convinced skeptics, so an influx of new, possibly grainy video and still photo evidence from cheap cameras and cell phones is likely to move them not one inch.

It was suggested by someone on this very forum that cell phone cameras should be increasing the amount of UFO pictures if there were indeed something to the phenomenon. This person was a resident skeptic.
My thoughts are that it won't change a damn thing. Just the some ol' excuses to dismiss those pictures from the past will be reused for anything more recent.

story 3


A British man who used a low speed dial-up connection from his girlfriend's aunt's house to hack into the Pentagon's computers made an appeal in the British House of Lords on Monday not to be extradited to the United States.


What he claimed to have seen is highly interesting.

British civilians hacking into American military computers with ease? Very strange indeed.

I don't like it, even if he was searching for "non-existant" technology. I think its possible that some one intentially made the security to these military and NASA computers weak so something like this could happen. OR It was better defended than he is saying... just to cover his ass. Perhaps there was information other than what is he talking about.

Lets pretend that this "anti-gravity free energy" stuff is real, could humanity really handle such technology in its greedy little paws? I doubt it.

Look, let's be honest here. A military hellicopter racing after some high-speed aerodynamical vehical??? They wouldn't do that. It's perfectly illogical. What could be more plausible however, is that the UFO was created by the American Government, and then chased by the hellicopter as some kind of governmental experiment.

British UFO sightings at 'bizarre' levels

"Whether alien activity or natural phenomena, reports of UFOs have flooded in this summer from across the country. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2261941/British-UFO-sightings-at-'bizarre'-levels.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00685/ufo-uk-map404_685533c.jpg

It was suggested by someone on this very forum that cell phone cameras should be increasing the amount of UFO pictures if there were indeed something to the phenomenon. This person was a resident skeptic.


Higher prevalence of recording devices should lead to increased number of recordings, ... if there is actually something to record.

Cellphone cameras cannot however capture delusions. So if we are not seeing more pictures and videos, I think the point is clear.

Cellphone cameras cannot however capture delusions. So if we are not seeing more pictures and videos, I think the point is clear.

Ever scrutinize Pseudoscience much? You're like an attack dog. Right on cue.

I don't think delusions have much to do with it. It really doesn't matter what was seen or photographed in the past, nor what the increase in volume of that material might bring. The end result is always predictable.

Oh, that dark grouping of pixels???

Ever scrutinize Pseudoscience much? You're like an attack dog. Right on cue.

Pseudoscience doesn't get many posts, so new ones kinda stick out. It doesn't take Fox Mulder to notice that.

I don't think delusions have much to do with it. It really doesn't matter what was seen or photographed in the past, nor what the increase in volume of that material might bring. The end result is always predictable.

Evidence is the key, and so far, all of it is lacking. We've been down this route before, with you clinbing to debunked stories, so I don't want to do it again.

Oh, that dark grouping of pixels???

Indeed, why are UFO pictures and videos so crap?

Phlog, have you ever seen the Mexican airforce videos? How about the Nasa tether footage?
There are some very convincing private videos as well, many of which cannot be "debunked" by trained professional video analysts.
Not to say they are Alien beings, but they're certainly alien objects that are beyond our ability to identify them.

Phlog, have you ever seen the Mexican airforce videos?

Yes, and they were discussed here. Crap quality, just blobs of light, with not enough information to tell size, shape, or anything useful.

How about the Nasa tether footage?

I met one of the astronauts who conducted some tether experiments on the space shuttle. He never mentioned UFOs and there was nothing out of the ordinary on the footage he showed us. There was debris, probably ice, or from thruster activity, but no UFOs.

There are some very convincing private videos as well, many of which cannot be "debunked" by trained professional video analysts.
Not to say they are Alien beings, but they're certainly alien objects that are beyond our ability to identify them.

Most do not display controlled flight, and all are crappy quality. I've made my own fake UFO footage as good as the stuff that gets served up seriously.

A military helicopter was photographed pursuing a super fast UFO

So, how can a helicopter pursue a super fast UFO unless the helicopter was also super fast?

That's a dumb question for a smart guy like yourself. A police cruiser(car) has no chance in catching an 1100 rice rocket, yet that doesn't stop them from trying (and endagering lives and tax dollars in the process). And like the some superbike riders like to toy with the cops, maybe it was toying with the chopper. (when dealing in "fiction" anything's possible)

I've made my own fake UFO footage as good as the stuff that gets served up seriously..


I would be interested to see them, really. I love that stuff. (as if you couldn't tell)

That's a dumb question for a smart guy like yourself. A police cruiser(car) has no chance in catching an 1100 rice rocket, yet that doesn't stop them from trying (and endagering lives and tax dollars in the process). And like the some superbike riders like to toy with the cops, maybe it was toying with the chopper. (when dealing in "fiction" anything's possible)

You're making fallacious comparisons.

You're making fallacious comparisons.

Another silly comment. This whole subject is fallacious to you, I suspect.

I would be interested to see them, really. I love that stuff. (as if you couldn't tell)


Here's one;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9176670754674761435&q=unidentified+flying+geese&ei=j8x0SIbFMZXiiQLrvNCZCw

I live near an airport, all I did was zoom on a plane, (you can see one in focus at the start, and I zoom on another) and the camera cannot keep up the focus through the zoom, so it being a bright day, the plane turned into a bright blob, then magically disappeared as the focus was lost completely.

Here's one;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9176670754674761435&q=unidentified+flying+geese&ei=j8x0SIbFMZXiiQLrvNCZCw

I live near an airport, all I did was zoom on a plane, (you can see one in focus at the start, and I zoom on another) and the camera cannot keep up the focus through the zoom, so it being a bright day, the plane turned into a bright blob, then magically disappeared as the focus was lost completely.

Yes, that's a great demo of why you don't use autofocus to film things in the sky.
This is the leading cause of shitty "UFO" footage, IMO.

Yes, that's a great demo of why you don't use autofocus to film things in the sky.
This is the leading cause of shitty "UFO" footage, IMO.


Definitely, remember the spate of lozenge shaped UFO camcorder footage? Caused by an out of focus source of light, and the four bladed Iris in Canon camcorders iirc, casting a lozenge shaped shadow on the CCD, which had sharp edges, so looked in focus. There were often speckles which looked like surface detail, adding to the idea it was a solid craft.

Yes, that's a great demo of why you don't use autofocus to film things in the sky.
This is the leading cause of shitty "UFO" footage, IMO.

Autofocus is part of it alright, along with the failure to use a tripod.

Autofocus is part of it alright, along with the failure to use a tripod.

Yes again, people think a stationary light is 'zooming around' because they don't understand the magnified effect of camera shake when they are zoomed in.

Odd isn't it, that many UFO vids are out of focus and show a blob of light moving erratically with no foreground or background items for reference for size or direction of movement.

Odd isn't it, that many UFO vids are out of focus and show a blob of light moving erratically with no foreground or background items for reference for size or direction of movement.

Yes, and quite a handy boon for the woo-woos.;)

Another silly comment. This whole subject is fallacious to you, I suspect.

No, just those who promote the subject. You have been unable to make any logical connections. No alien visitation woo-woo has ever done so. You've successfully joined their ranks.

No, just those who promote the subject. You have been unable to make any logical connections. No alien visitation woo-woo has ever done so. You've successfully joined their ranks.

Sir, that's not me. If you browse my post history you'll see that the only thing I acknowledge is that SOMETHING is going on and seems to be gaining momentum, be it real, imagined or deliberately contrived. And that that fact in it's self is a reason for concern. I'm on the lookout for woowoos the same as yourself.

Look, let's be honest here. A military hellicopter racing after some high-speed aerodynamical vehical??? They wouldn't do that. It's perfectly illogical. What could be more plausible however, is that the UFO was created by the American Government, and then chased by the hellicopter as some kind of governmental experiment.

A reference to the Cash-Landrum case?

It doesn't take Fox Mulder to notice that.


Mmmm! Invokest thou the imaginary! The imagery!:p

http://bradleycain.com/images/2007/12/mulder-teacup.jpg

Evidence is the key, and so far, all of it is lacking. We've been down this route before, with you clinbing to debunked stories, so I don't want to do it again.
I can DEBUNK cases. I can dissect and possibly destroy cases if merited. Anyone with a purpose can dissect and destroy any theory.
As for clinbing to these debunked stories, I guess you'll have to be more specific about those.


Indeed, why are UFO pictures and videos so crap?

I live near an airport, all I did was zoom on a plane, (you can see one in focus at the start, and I zoom on another) and the camera cannot keep up the focus through the zoom, so it being a bright day, the plane turned into a bright blob, then magically disappeared as the focus was lost completely.

Did you inadvertently answer your own question?

Just a thought.

I know, that was an extremely silly photo I posted.

Did you inadvertently answer your own question?

Just a thought.

No, I deliberately answered my own question, get a grip!

FORMER NASA astronaut and moonwalker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens do exist.

Listen the radio interview here.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24069817-5001021,00.html?from=public_rss


http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6162037,00.jpg

Does "stunningly claimed" make it true?

Does "stunningly claimed" make it true?

Of course, not.
Yet, at (a very sharp) 77 years old, I'm not sure what the motivation to lie would be. Care to speculate?

Of course, not.
Yet, at (a very sharp) 77 years old, I'm not sure what the motivation to lie would be. Care to speculate?

Not lying about something does not equal telling the truth.
Maybe the person believes something that isn't true.

Not lying about something does not equal telling the truth.
Maybe the person believes something that isn't true.

You're correct, Enmos. It could just be the truth as he knows it to be in his mind.

Of course, not.
Yet, at (a very sharp) 77 years old, I'm not sure what the motivation to lie would be. Care to speculate?

Alzheimer's?

And Aldrin believes in God. The fact that these guys were Apollo astronauts doesn't bolster either claim.

Alzheimer's?

Perhaps, though it wasn't mentioned in the article.

I believe this is the third or fourth US astronaut to make such claims. It could be that their minds were damaged by space travel.

Again, speculation on my part.

And Aldrin believes in God.
And so does over 70% of the planet. What's this supposed infer?


The fact that these guys were Apollo astronauts doesn't bolster either claim.
Again, maybe in your own mind. I'd guess, though, if the subject was anything space related (save UFOs), their word would be taken over anyone on this board.
What conclusion should you have the readers of this thread make based on that?

Anyone who denies the existence of UFOs is in denial. (Just cause you havent see one yourself :rolleyes:)

The real question is WHAT they are. Aliens or man made or "unexplained natural phenomena" are the 3 choices, take your pick.

Anyone who denies the existence of UFOs is in denial. (Just cause you havent see one yourself :rolleyes:)

The real question is WHAT they are. Aliens or man made or "unexplained natural phenomena" are the 3 choices, take your pick.

I understand what you mean.
However it really is an UNBELIEVABLE phenomena wouldn't you agree?
So I can't really blame them, not saying it's healthy to still be in aggressive denial at this point, but I can understand why some people still are.

I understand what you mean.
However it really is an UNBELIEVABLE phenomena wouldn't you agree?
So I can't really blame them, not saying it's healthy to still be in aggressive denial at this point, but I can understand why some people still are.

Well, it depends on your perspective.
We only have names for around a third of known insects. How many don't we know about at all?

Well, it depends on your perspective.

Absolutley.

And so does over 70% of the planet. What's this supposed infer?

Do they believe in the same god? No. What was your point?

My point is that because these people have been off planet does not give them any insight into heaven, aliens or whatnot. They were lucky chaps that got to take the ride of a lifetime, but it didn't make them gurus.


Again, maybe in your own mind. I'd guess, though, if the subject was anything space related (save UFOs), their word would be taken over anyone on this board.
What conclusion should you have the readers of this thread make based on that?

They were test pilots, who became astronauts. They do not have unfettered access to everything at NASA, or the DoD, or the NRO. Was he claiming to have personally met an alien? Or just that he believed in a conspiracy? Oh. it was the latter. He's just a conspiracy theorist that happened to have had a dream job. Shows it can happen to anyone.

Also shows that his physics is rather lacking. MInd you, first, they sent monkeys, not humans, so maybe the job wasn't that demanding after all.

Anyone who denies the existence of UFOs is in denial. (Just cause you havent see one yourself :rolleyes:)


Nobody denies UFO's, in that there obviously will be secret military craft in development. It boils down to the term. People hide behind it, as if the existance of secret military craft makes ET visitation more likely. The two are not linked.

The real question is WHAT they are. Aliens or man made or "unexplained natural phenomena" are the 3 choices, take your pick.

The latter two. The first is a nice idea, but so unrealistic.

lmao

lmao

Sat alone, laughing at yourself?

why cant aliens exsist? i mean with all the planets out there why should ours be the only one with any form of life???

They were test pilots, who became astronauts.


Well, not exactly. Mitchell was a Captain in the US Navy, walked on the moon ,earned a PhD in science and served on many panels and groups with insiders, .
At any rate, it's one more case of an educated person in a position of high responsibility saying something is undeniably happening in our skies that's beyond our currently known technologies.
As for conspiracy, maybe you haven't noticed that governments around the world are saying the same things by declassifying UFO reports (many of which admittedly have no official explanation).
There's a world wide push from other governments for the US military to disclose everything it knows.
Why? Are they really worried about the claims of a few nutters?
We both no the answer to that.

My question is: What is it all leading up to? I'm not convinced we're being visited by ETs. But if people all across the globe are seeing silent crafts zipping around at thousands of miles per hour, and it's not ETs, let's have a look and see if we can get this "energy crisis" under control, eh? :shrug:

why cant aliens exsist? i mean with all the planets out there why should ours be the only one with any form of life???

I think it's unlikely that there aren't alien life forms out there somewhere.

What I think is less likely, is that they have conquered the immense scientific and engineering problems required to travel such vast distances in space, to land on Earth, and abduct fat americans and probe their assholes.

Well, not exactly. Mitchell was a Captain in the US Navy, walked on the moon ,earned a PhD in science and served on many panels and groups with insiders, .
At any rate, it's one more case of an educated person in a position of high responsibility saying something is undeniably happening in our skies that's beyond our currently known technologies.

Not quite, it's a once revered guy losing the plot and ranting about aliens. Quite different.

As for conspiracy, maybe you haven't noticed that governments around the world are saying the same things by declassifying UFO reports (many of which admittedly have no official explanation).

Maybe de-classifying because they are all mundane?

There's a world wide push from other governments for the US military to disclose everything it knows.

Ha, why does the US know it all? Do you think if one protagonist of the US knew something, they would not use it to their advantage? Do you not think the USSR would not have come out and said 'we know the truth about aliens, and the US govt are liars.'?

Nobody denies UFO's

PLENTY of people do...

PLENTY of people do...

Not true. People only deny that UFO's are extra terrestrial craft, because UFOlogists dishonestly hide behind the term.

Not true. People only deny that UFO's are extra terrestrial craft, because UFOlogists dishonestly hide behind the term.

Ok so your claiming EVERYONE in the world believes in UFOs? Because I have a co-worker who would instantly destroy that claim, he thinks people are just crazy!

Do you not think the USSR would not have come out and said 'we know the truth about aliens, and the US govt are liars.'?

In essence they have said that about UFOs, but not aliens.

What government is going to admit the existence of an ET life form that, if it were to become hostile, they have no defense? Protection is their business.
That's why it would have to be a international event.
That puts the US military in a good spot as they appear stronger and more mysterious than they may be in reality.

Ok so your claiming EVERYONE in the world believes in UFOs? Because I have a co-worker who would instantly destroy that claim, he thinks people are just crazy!

Because in his mind, UFOs are synonymous with Extra Terrestrial Craft, no doubt.

Ask him if he thinks that the world govts secretly fly secret experimental aircraft, or have aircraft they have kept secret for national security (like the SR71, and the stealth bomber, etc etc).

He'll answer yes, I'm sure (he should because it's fact!). Those when seen, and not recognised, are UFO's, to some.

I don't like the term, it mixes mundane natural occurences, secret aircraft, and the paranormal. The latter needs to be dealt with separately.

In essence they have said that about UFOs, but not aliens.

What government is going to admit the existence of an ET life form that, if it were to become hostile, they have no defense? Protection is their business.
That's why it would have to be a international event.
That puts the US military in a good spot as they appear stronger and more mysterious than they may be in reality.

That conspiracy theory only applies recently, when govts had the capablity to collude and stifle information.

100 years ago, if a ET vehicle landed, it would be common knowledge amongst the locals, and the story would spread. The govt would not have been able to get there quickly, having no aircraft of their own, no radar to guide them and limited vehicles.

So are you saying that ET visits have conveniently only been happening since the World Govts have been willing and able to conspire?

I don't like the term, it mixes mundane natural occurences, secret aircraft, and the paranormal. The latter needs to be dealt with separately.

You're wrong. It only qualifies as a real UFO after it's been scrutinized by experts (usually private and public organizations) and still fails to be explained.
And, of course, if it were found to be an Alien craft, it would fail to be a UFO, for it would then have an identification.

You're wrong. It only qualifies as a real UFO after it's been scrutinized by experts (usually private and public organizations) and still fails to be explained.
And, of course, if it were found to be an Alien craft, it would fail to be a UFO, for it would then have an identification.

No, people claim to have seen a UFO as soon as they have seen something, they don't wait for scrutineers to arrive. Sorry, but you definitions do not override human nature.

That is the problem, too many people claiming to have seen too many things, an embellishing the stories, and no har proof of anything, and a bunch of amateurs trying to sift something from the huge piles of BS.

So are you saying that ET visits have conveniently only been happening since the World Govts have been willing and able to conspire?

No, infact, the example you gave on the "locals spreading the news" is quite accurate to how it used to be. Also, the government was much more open and was quoted in newspapers about what they believed to be alien craft.

1955
no less a personage than General Douglas MacArthur would warn only a year after (a nationally acknowledged sighting) "all countries on Earth will have to unite to ... make a common front against attack by people on other planets."

I think it's unlikely that there aren't alien life forms out there somewhere.

What I think is less likely, is that they have conquered the immense scientific and engineering problems required to travel such vast distances in space, to land on Earth, and abduct fat americans and probe their assholes.

Phlog, I don't understand it.
You seem like an intelligent guy, how is it you can not comprehend how it would be possible for another civilization to overcome vast distances?
Where and what do you think "our" technology will be capable of in another hundred years,...1000 years,...1 million years, 100 million years, etc.?

Seriously, at the exponential rate our technology is accelerating at right now where could we be in another million years?

The possibililty of another race having 1 million to a Billion year head start on us is entirely possible is it not?

You are aware that you are limiting your possibility of what is not only possible, but entirely probable based soley on your current level of thinking right?
I can't help but think that you would be one of the same people who would not have believed in the light bulb, that would have not believed in flight, a trip to the moon, communication over great distances without wires, etc.

Too many examples of seemingly impossible feats have come to pass.

Reducing the mass of an object is currently the suggested method/theory for travelling faster than light, because E=MC 2 is true...so mass must be reduced and in fact completely negated in order for such speeds to happen.
Whether that is by changing the frequency/vibration of the objects in question or not I am not sure, but that is for the ongoing progress of science to figure out.
(It is quite probable that this is why many crafts are seen as becoming or being "light" as their vibration takes on the characteristics of "light". ).
Also, beyond the atomic level we are all made of light.
Anyways, just throwing some stuff you "might" find interesting.

I apologize if I am coming across as "pushing" my ideas on you, that is not my intent.

You should post this in Astronomy with all the other UFO crap.

You should post this in Astronomy with all the other UFO crap.

Good to see you are of like mind that "peak oil" is a hoax.

clusteringflux,
You should note that MacArthur also tried to single handedly invade China against the wishes of his superiors (causing his dismissal).

Not the best reference for quotes in honesty.

Just to get a few things straight UFO means Unidentified Flying Object.
It does not mean Extraterrestrials, it just means someone couldn't identify something they saw.

What Phlog tried to touch upon is that people hype Unidentified Flying Objects to be much more than just something that couldn't be identified and presume them to be Extraterrestrial in Origin. These people do this not because "The truth is out there" they do it because it's Popular Fiction/Belief that people lap up. After all if people weren't interested in it either because they have a belief or just know people are full of shit, then they wouldn't bother reading/watching articles on it.

Good to see you are of like mind that "peak oil" is a hoax.
[From blog URL that can be found in User Profile]

Oil is infinite. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe and carbon is the fourth most common element in the universe.

Oil is infinite. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe and carbon is the fourth most common element in the universe.

Carbon and Hydrogen does not make oil alone. Chemistry requires more than just the appearance of elements.

Carbon and Hydrogen does not make oil alone.
?

Chemistry requires more than just the appearance of elements.
Oil has been synthesized from various abiotic compounds.

The simplest method is using iron, water, and marble. This has been known since 1877 (Mendeleyev) and was repeated in the lab under mantle conditions in 2002.

http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.full

Gush oil elsewhere, unless you can relate it to UFO news.

Not the best reference for quotes in honesty.

At what point did I say the military was honest? No, I said that they used to talk about the subject more freely compared to the silence and denial of today.

Dwight D Eisnhower achnologed the existance of them.

Let's see, you get spoon fed the views of Top scholar's and Scientists that suggest that there is every chance of life elsewhere in the universe and when someone asks you that question you just return what you've learnt.

It's easy to generate an opinion that there is life elsewhere in the universe, however there is NO PROOF that it's ever been to Earth and this has been stated over an over again. No matter the red tape or denial, if their was proof to be had it would of leaked because nobody would gain from keeping people in the dark. (There will be some say that it would be kept secret for profiteering, but our Technology advances although accelerated from Centuries previously are still following a "Trend" that suggests natural progress.)

So by all means point at people in power and media celebrities over the years, no matter how balmy their idea's but just remember without proof their word means nothing but "Their personal opinion".

if their was proof to be had it would of leaked".

Describe the type of proof and medium you're looking for. A body? What officials would you believe? If they came out said they had they had physical evidence today, I don't know what I would think.
Anyway it also brings forth the very new underground news outlet called the internet where every aspiring artist can fake video and try to pass it off as real. Interesting times, for sure.

there is NO PROOF that it's ever been to Earth
So by all means point at people in power and media celebrities over the years, no matter how balmy their idea's but just remember without proof their word means nothing but "Their personal opinion".

Cannon mentioned the Eisenhower speech, so that's been covered.
Let's don't forget the Reagan speech(s)....
One in particular was interesting aimed at a response from Gorbechev.
What is curious is the way Gorbechev answered.

To paraphrase; Reagan asked if the USSR would join forces with the USA if faced with an outside threat....remember?

Gorbechev said; I think it is a little bit early yet to worry about such maters.

What...?

They knew something....something planned to happen at a pre-set time.

We have all been thinking too one dimensional.
There are other worlds "out there" separated by vast expanses of space.

But there are also other worlds "in here" separated by vast expanses of time.
Existing right inside of the same space, but at a different vibrational ratio in it's very atoms.

Our "Visitors" may not be from somewhere "out there".
"Heaven" is a lot closer than you think.

Here's a clip of us attempting to shoot down some swamp gas out of space...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ66NHOjzSA

I like this one too, there is so much activity going on out there they can't even pick out their own space station, lol.
How many objects can you count moving or suddenly showing up out of nowhere or flashing or glowing...especially when they zoom in
Suuuure, could just be space debree but how long would any satelite last out there if that were the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbN7wv46ZwA

Oh yea I love those STS videos.

That flash of light and the beam you see fly past is supposedly Tesla's death ray in which fires high energy plasma at very fast speeds.
Dont ask me to prove it, I cant.

Cannon mentioned the Eisenhower speech, so that's been covered.
Let's don't forget the Reagan speech(s)....
One in particular was interesting aimed at a response from Gorbechev.
What is curious is the way Gorbechev answered.

To paraphrase; Reagan asked if the USSR would join forces with the USA if faced with an outside threat....remember?

Gorbechev said; I think it is a little bit early yet to worry about such maters.



Have you not thought it was said because Foreign Policy and Politics between two countries that opposed each other for many years seemed "Alien". To suggest some form of unification was more than likely an effort to try and get some sort of Political movement towards lessening the cold war and in some respects I don't think it was necessarily a complete failure. However people tend to read their own conclusions into the matter (Especially if they are "Pro-Extraterrestrial are being covered up")


What...?

They knew something....something planned to happen at a pre-set time.

Rubbish, Gorbechev didn't believe him that's why he gave that statement. He probably thought he was either pulling his leg, losing the plot or had some sneaky CIA guys give him some words of wisdom to undermine his position.


We have all been thinking too one dimensional.
There are other worlds out there separated by vast expanses of space.

But there are also other worlds out there separated by vast expanses of time.
Existing right inside of the same space, but at a different vibrational ratio in it's very atoms.

The real threat may not be from somewhere "out there".
It's a lot closer than you think.

If you chase Shadows, then you will see shadows all the time. I mean look at your post, it identifies you are Pro-Alien conspiracy, it's not that you are interested in the truth because it could walk right up to you and slap you in the face and you'd call it a lie.

Describe the type of proof and medium you're looking for. A body? What officials would you believe? If they came out said they had they had physical evidence today, I don't know what I would think.
Anyway it also brings forth the very new underground news outlet called the internet where every aspiring artist can fake video and try to pass it off as real. Interesting times, for sure.

Well the proof of a conspiracy to cover up the information that anything alien ever existed. Yes I know you'll quote about Roswell or a few other "Supposed" cases, however you only know of these "Cases" because of the "Media" and they have a history of pulling people chains.

Here's a clip of us attempting to shoot down some swamp gas out of space...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ66NHOjzSA

I like this one too, there is so much activity going on out there they can't even pick out their own space station, lol.
How many objects can you count moving or suddenly showing up out of nowhere or flashing or glowing...especially when they zoom in
Suuuure, could just be space debree but how long would any satelite last out there if that were the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbN7wv46ZwA

These have already been debunked. Basically dust/debris exists outside of the portal as the thrusters fire you get changes in the speed of the ship (They aren't actually stationary when they film out the portal, they are moving. You won't see any difference to the horizon line because the Earth is pretty big compared to one little spaceship.)

Of course people automatically want to think it an Alien controlled spaceship off the starboard bow Jim!.

These have already been debunked. Basically dust/debris exists outside of the portal as the thrusters fire you get changes in the speed of the ship (They aren't actually stationary when they film out the portal, they are moving. You won't see any difference to the horizon line because the Earth is pretty big compared to one little spaceship.)

Of course people automatically want to think it an Alien controlled spaceship off the starboard bow Jim!.

Lol, yep and there are people who automatically think it's dust/debris...what's your point?
Just incredible Stryder, please explain to me how space debris suddenly learned how to avoid incoming objects?

Show me proof that the video of the object making a sudden switch in its projectory path is fake, and don't show me some pablum you have heard from some scientist or from some othe reputable person and simply repeat what you've learned.
I believe that's how you previously stated it.

Let's see, you get spoon fed the views of Top scholar's and Scientists and when someone asks you that question you just return what you've learnt.

Close enough.

Heres another good clip of multiple pulsating 4 mile wide pieces of space debris from the "thrusters"...lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I
It's like a jedi mind trick on some of you guys...a wave of the hand and "it's only space debris" and there you go, never mind what your lying eyes are telling you...just incredible.

If you chase Shadows, then you will see shadows all the time. I mean look at your post, it identifies you are Pro-Alien conspiracy, it's not that you are interested in the truth because it could walk right up to you and slap you in the face and you'd call it a lie.

No. I am not "Pro-Alien"....that is too easy, too well promoted by too many sources.
Where did I mention "aliens"?
I think the truth lies much deeper than that.

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Stryder, if you chase Shadows, then you will see shadows all the time. I mean look at your posts, it identifies you are Pro-Status Quo, it's not that you are interested in the truth because it could walk right up to you and slap you in the face and you'd call it a lie.

These have already been debunked. Basically dust/debris exists outside of the portal as the thrusters fire you get changes in the speed of the ship

You do realize this video clearly shows REACTION to an incoming object? The path the projectile takes passes straight through where the object used to be.
This video shows intent, sudden direction change (NOT SPACE JUNK), and reaction to incoming threat.

Wheres phlogistician I told him there are some people that just dont believe in UFOs and theres somebody right here.

Hebrews 13:2 "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

Websters defines a "stranger" as;

1: one who is strange: as a (1): foreigner (2): a resident alien (b): one in the house of another as a guest, visitor, or intruder.

Maybe not from so far "out there"....after all.

You do realize this video clearly shows REACTION to an incoming object? The path the projectile takes passes straight through where the object used to be.
This video shows intent, sudden direction change (NOT SPACE JUNK), and reaction to incoming threat.

Wheres phlogistician I told him there are some people that just dont believe in UFOs and theres somebody right here.
(This is in regards to your more recent URL addition)

The video looks to me like it's doctored. You get some footage about STS 75, a shot of the tether coiling up from the vessel. Then supposedly it goes to Satellite's viewing the tether from 70 miles away. To me it sounds like the Audio might have been genuine, but the video is what you would see if you looked at water under a microscope. All those things moving about would be lifeforms, however not in Space... more an inner space.

Unless you can find pictures of this video direct from NASA (As opposed to on Youtube) it's footage that can not be relied upon as evidence.

Unless you can find pictures of this video direct from NASA (As opposed to on Youtube) it's footage that can not be relied upon as evidence.

Hahaha, thats funny considering NASA is the biggest force behind the coverup. Let me go find information they dont want me to have from them! Good idea!

And these STS videos were ORIGINALLY from NASA, soo...

Phlog, I don't understand it.
You seem like an intelligent guy, how is it you can not comprehend how it would be possible for another civilization to overcome vast distances?
Where and what do you think "our" technology will be capable of in another hundred years,...1000 years,...1 million years, 100 million years, etc.?

Seriously, at the exponential rate our technology is accelerating at right now where could we be in another million years?

The possibililty of another race having 1 million to a Billion year head start on us is entirely possible is it not?

Yes, just so we can buzz other planets with intelligent life to play hide and seek. :rolleyes:

Reducing the mass of an object is currently the suggested method/theory for travelling faster than light, because E=MC 2 is true...so mass must be reduced and in fact completely negated in order for such speeds to happen.
Whether that is by changing the frequency/vibration of the objects in question or not I am not sure, but that is for the ongoing progress of science to figure out.
(It is quite probable that this is why many crafts are seen as becoming or being "light" as their vibration takes on the characteristics of "light". ).
Also, beyond the atomic level we are all made of light.
Anyways, just throwing some stuff you "might" find interesting.

I apologize if I am coming across as "pushing" my ideas on you, that is not my intent.

Pushing ideas based on fantasy does in fact appear to be your intent, or else you would take the time to understand physics before bleating nonsense.

Here is another clip showing space debris making sharp changes in their path and speed.....
At the 19 seccond mark watch this debris suddenly flash into appearance towards the right hand side about an inch from the edge and a few inches up from the bottom...easy to see.
Then watch it make an extreme change in it's path....pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-xXmiR4un0

Yes, just so we can buzz other planets with intelligent life to play hide and seek. :rolleyes:

Are you not cappable of understanding that there may be reasons beyond our current ways of thinking to accord for their motives?
Your inability or lack of willingness to attempt to comprehend what their motives are beyond your own "current" understanding is...typical.
I'm sure if you actually put in the effort you could understand that perhaps there may be deeper issues at hand.

Pushing ideas based on fantasy does in fact appear to be your intent, or else you would take the time to understand physics before bleating nonsense.

Lmao, tell me where I have failed to undertsand physics anywhere in this conversation.
Unbelievable.

Include any derogatory remarks and our conversation is over.

We are observing something in the skies. We detect them everyday on radar, some are witnessed by first hand shooters, and others will be documented in governmental files. If they are of a natural phenom, then why is there no natural explanation known to physics? Logic would presume it is something we have created, and if this is true, then it cannot be something we can hide forever.

I personally believe we have been visited, so long as i take into account that:

A) ''They'' don't live too far away

and

B) ''They'' have had more time to develop than we have

A) is an advantage, so that if they are more technologically-advanced, then we aren't asking something too brilliant for us to reconcile. And B) is useful, because if they where entangled into creation earlier than us, this has then given ''them'' enough evolutionary time to get smart in how to travel, which we would consider, very long journeys.

No, infact, the example you gave on the "locals spreading the news" is quite accurate to how it used to be. Also, the government was much more open and was quoted in newspapers about what they believed to be alien craft.



If that were true, I'd expect far more historical, anecdotal tales having been told by grandparents, but that just has never been the case.

These days I would expect the proliferation of digital cameras, and ubiquitous camera phones, to distribute a huge number of pictures using the WWW. Something which could not be stifled. This is also not the case.

The claims just don't stack against reality, either now, or previously, sorry.

Phlog, I don't understand it.
You seem like an intelligent guy, how is it you can not comprehend how it would be possible for another civilization to overcome vast distances?
Where and what do you think "our" technology will be capable of in another hundred years,...1000 years,...1 million years, 100 million years, etc.?.

Physics will be the same in 1000 years, as will the distances between the stars. The energy required to travel to the stars will be the same.

Let's separate science fact from science fiction, shall we? Some things just are, conservation of energy, speed of light and relativistic effects. You are relying on finding shortcuts I think, and I really don't think there are any. Nature finds the lowest cost path energy wise to achieve things, lightning finds the easiest path to Earth, for instance. If there are shortcuts, we'll see them in nature, and if there are, they aren't happening on a large scale, but on a quantum mechanical one, so it's very doubtful we'll be able to exploit them on a larger scale, one large enough to send craft.

That said, if an advanced civilisation were able to do any of this, why would they serially abduct fat lonely Americans and shove things up their ass, or mutilate cattle? The technological advances in physics required imply huge advances in other areas too, and physical exams would be a thing of the past by then, we have non-invasive scanning techniques ourselves already, why wouldn't advanced alien life forms? No room on the space ship, but they do have room for an 'anal intruder'?

Physics will be the same in 1000 years, as will the distances between the stars.

Both lies.


Let's separate science fact from science fiction, shall we?

Indeed.

Both lies.

Hardly, the suggestion is that Physics is a Constant, Current "Science" might not understand all the constants yet (As they did back 1000 years ago when they didn't understand an even greater amount of physics) however eventually all Constants will eventually be known.

These Constants will not be Dynamic and can not be reshaped.

There is interesting points in regards to Observer theory where our physics might mirror characteristics caused by our reasoning through Causality. The interesting point is that if the universe we are in is defined by the physics we perceive, then it might mean that other observers might observe different physics and therefore exist in different universes outside of our own. However this is more "Philosophy" related than "Science" because of the lack of proof.

Current "Science" might not understand all the constants yet (As they did back 1000 years ago when they didn't understand an even greater amount of physics)

Right... so physics (and therefore our understanding of reality) WILL be different once we know and understand more constants, and maybe make some changes to some existing ones, who knows, do you?.:cool:

Well you have to understand that current physics is more Fractal based. There might be a posed mathematical constant that formula's have been written for, however some of those axioms (components within the formula) although Theorised to exist still haven't been "Proven".

It doesn't mean if a new subatomic particle was discovered it would change the function of an atom, it still does what an atom is known to do just with more information on that subatomic particle. (Fictional example)

Both lies.



Physics will be the same. Our understanding of it may change slightly, but it's very doubtfull that c as a universal speed limit will be breached, for instance.

The distances between the stars won't be significantly different to make travel to them any easier!


Oh, and calling me a liar requires more than mere optimism to back it up, an you didn't even use that as your excuse.

ahhhhh my back yard here in good ole Washington state, usa.

Yah think you can stop deceiving ones when the time comes ploger?

How's the old scifoolems doing? :bugeye:

What no skin crawlie here in these posts? :eek:

Sea Yah

Physics will be the same in 1000 years, as will the distances between the stars. The energy required to travel to the stars will be the same.

I agree the stars for all practical matters will be relatively the same distance away. The laws of Physics/Nature will also be the same and can never change. However our understanding of Nature/Physics will continue to advance and our technological progress will reflect that.
The amount of energy needed to travel to any particular star system will be entirely dependent upon the form of travel used.

"For Nature to be commanded, it must first be obeyed/understood".


Let's separate science fact from science fiction, shall we? Some things just are, conservation of energy, speed of light and relativistic effects. You are relying on finding shortcuts I think, and I really don't think there are any. Nature finds the lowest cost path energy wise to achieve things, lightning finds the easiest path to Earth, for instance. If there are shortcuts, we'll see them in nature, and if there are, they aren't happening on a large scale, but on a quantum mechanical one, so it's very doubtful we'll be able to exploit them on a larger scale, one large enough to send craft.

I can understand how you might think I am attempting to look for shortcuts to somehow cheat nature, but I assure you I am doing nothing of the sort...I understand laws are laws. What I'm saying is that the more we understand these laws and discover new ones we will be able to advance in direct proportion to these discoveries and understandings and use them to our advantage.
Again, "For Nature to be commanded, she must first be obeyed".

I respect your opinion Phlog, however I disagree that discoveries at the quantum level can not eventually be emerged or applied to larger practical applications.

That said, if an advanced civilisation were able to do any of this, why would they serially abduct fat lonely Americans and shove things up their ass, or mutilate cattle? The technological advances in physics required imply huge advances in other areas too, and physical exams would be a thing of the past by then, we have non-invasive scanning techniques ourselves already, why wouldn't advanced alien life forms? No room on the space ship, but they do have room for an 'anal intruder'?

Lol, I hear you.
Sarcasm aside, the backdrop as to why circumstances are the way they are is much more involved and "unbelievable" than the challenges of interstellar travel.
It would just be too much to even begin to take in in any remotely serious way right now.
I have been looking into this for quite sometime and it still blows my mind just how deep some of this can go.
Even though I have seen 30-40 mettalic saucer shaped craft myself I still have a somewhat challenging time integrating the possible fact that we are indeed being visited.
I say this because I have not seen firsthand any alien being, I can only give a personal account of probability based on my experience, history, evidence, and reliable witness testimony.

I respect your point of view Pholg and hope we can be friends despite our different views on this matter.
I agree whole heartedly that this is indeed some seriously crazy shit.

ahhhhh my back yard here in good ole Washington state, usa.

Yah think you can stop deceiving ones when the time comes ploger?

How's the old scifoolems doing? :bugeye:

What no skin crawlie here in these posts? :eek:

Sea Yah

Good to see you Crater!
Where are you hanging out lately?
PM me if you want and let me know would ya?
Thanks.

Yah think you can stop deceiving ones when the time comes ploger?




Who am I deceiving, and how?

You are the twister of facts, Norv, with your pseudo-scientific theories and faked papers.

All I'm doing is brining some scientific balance. I know you don't like to let a little reason rain on your pseudo-science/religion hybrid theory, but tough shit. It rains from time to time, deal with it.

While hunting for something completely different I found a little article from Popular Science Magazine (First time I even knew there was mag of that name) Seems to be very similar to the BBC's Focus magazine however I can't suggest the credibility of all its content.

http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2008-06/taking-out-space-trash


Space agencies have managed to avoid major in-flight catastrophes with protective shielding and deft maneuvering of manned vehicles and satellites. But if we keep launching satellites and do nothing about the mess, the amount of unpredictable debris in orbit will make already-risky manned spaceflight more dangerous.

In short it would be too dangerous for an Alien vessel to enter our atmosphere because of that "Minefield" of space debris. (This is of course not a speculation, nor the topic of the mentioned article, just a statement)

While hunting for something completely different I found a little article from Popular Science Magazine (First time I even knew there was mag of that name) Seems to be very similar to the BBC's Focus magazine however I can't suggest the credibility of all its content.

http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2008-06/taking-out-space-trash



In short it would be too dangerous for an Alien vessel to enter our atmosphere because of that "Minefield" of space debris. (This is of course not a speculation, nor the topic of the mentioned article, just a statement)


Radar?

Radar can track blobs, but when the blobs out weigh you not just in volume but vectors, your going to need more shields.

thicker shielding means greater mass, meaning higher need for power for propulsion etc.

moementum7

Have been in retirement for the past couple years, just working on the boat / home.
Most forums are over run by the bad ET's trying to keep people from finding out they are here. :eek:
Disinformation, misinformation, misdirection, all the same tactics as usual I still see.

Now about spacecraft running into debris, , , hog wash and bull shits.
Space is a mighty big place, lots of room, and not to forget that most of that debris WILL
soon become small things burning up in our atmosphere. That is inevitable. Duh.
Just more misdirection.
Stryder, just found out about Popular Science Magazine?
What was that planet your from?

"Radar can track blobs, but when the blobs out weigh you not just in volume but vectors, your going to need more shields.

thicker shielding means greater mass, meaning higher need for power for propulsion etc."

FOCLMFAO
yeppers , , , just keep em in the box of false information , ,
What kinds of space craft are you considering? :D

And not being able to break the (so called) light barrier is like saying we couldn't break the sound barrier, , :rolleyes:

, , , thus why I don't post in these forums any more, , , take care all.

Norval

? :D

And not being able to break the (so called) light barrier is like saying we couldn't break the sound barrier, ,

Odd then that enough people believed the sound barrier could be broken, and they got money and made planes to try it and succeeded.

Oh yes, they were scientists. Just like scientists say that an object with mass cannot reach the speed of light.

Typically woowoo tactic Norv 'They said we couldn't,...' without specifying who 'They' were, and implying that you would have held the contrary opinion and been proven right in the long term. Hindsight is 20/20, and it's a dishonest tactic to say you would have been right at the time.

Most forums are over run by the bad ET's trying to keep people from finding out they are here. :eek:

Evidence? zero. Speculation/Imagination = plenty.

Disinformation, misinformation, misdirection
you're the kingpin.

Now about spacecraft running into debris, , , hog wash and bull shits.
Space is a mighty big place, lots of room, and not to forget that most of that debris WILL soon become small things burning up in our atmosphere. That is inevitable. Duh.

You have no clue do you, if a ship is sent up and passes debris, do you think it's thurster's have no impact on the debris vector? You should know if your boat moves at a few knots to say the least that you create "wake" behind you as you travel and this can cause any floating objects to bob or move from their previous vector.

Just more misdirection.
Repetition doesn't prove something's correct in regards to circular arguements.


Stryder, just found out about Popular Science Magazine?
What was that planet your from?

The magazine is outside of my scope being I'm in a different country, also they are "Pop Science" mags (as the name says) which means they tend to report alot of fringe material..


"Radar can track blobs, but when the blobs out weigh you not just in volume but vectors, your going to need more shields.

thicker shielding means greater mass, meaning higher need for power for propulsion etc."

FOCLMFAO
yeppers , , , just keep em in the box of false information , ,
What kinds of space craft are you considering?

There's no false information there, they are observations which you of course would see if you were identifying with the real world rather than living in a comic book fantasy.


And not being able to break the (so called) light barrier is like saying we couldn't break the sound barrier, , :rolleyes:

, , , thus why I don't post in these forums any more, , , take care all.

Norval

The sound barrier is far different from light. I mean if you haven't noticed rocket propulsion does not output a plasma faster than light, it's within the perimeters of the universes physics, otherwise the jet from it's tail would have some rather bizarre effects to be observed. The other point is that if you did reach the velocity to break lightspeed, the universe would cease to exist to you and you to it. at that point you wouldn't be able to go faster or slow down, you would be in your own separate space. (of course this is speculation, however it identifies we can't break that barrier, at least like that)


All I can say Norval is keep looking for your Crater messages, perhaps one day your Bad ET's will leave you a message telling you to "Step off!" in big atomic bomb created craters, you know just like you believe they created. :rolleyes:

UFO sightings across Australia

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24228206-5001021,00.html?from=public_rss

HUNDREDS of people living in northern Australia have reported sightings of what they believe are UFOs in recent weeks.

The objects captured on camera have ranged from dark disks flying in broad daylight to strange lights glowing in the night sky

moementum7

Have been in retirement for the past couple years, just working on the boat / home.
Most forums are over run by the bad ET's trying to keep people from finding out they are here. :eek:
Disinformation, misinformation, misdirection, all the same tactics as usual I still see.

Now about spacecraft running into debris, , , hog wash and bull shits.
Space is a mighty big place, lots of room, and not to forget that most of that debris WILL
soon become small things burning up in our atmosphere. That is inevitable. Duh.
Just more misdirection.
Stryder, just found out about Popular Science Magazine?
What was that planet your from?

"Radar can track blobs, but when the blobs out weigh you not just in volume but vectors, your going to need more shields.

thicker shielding means greater mass, meaning higher need for power for propulsion etc."

FOCLMFAO
yeppers , , , just keep em in the box of false information , ,
What kinds of space craft are you considering? :D

And not being able to break the (so called) light barrier is like saying we couldn't break the sound barrier, , :rolleyes:

, , , thus why I don't post in these forums any more, , , take care all.

Norval

You are correct. There are some REAL idiots that claim to be intelligent life forms in these here parts. Oliy for one. If all of science and the concepts of scientific exploration were left up to morons like these, we would all still be dieing from the common cold. My advise is write them off as trolls. It's them that desperately want for attention. None of them actually have anything factual to contribute. Just more book learned and memorized "popular science" explanations for things they can't duplicate themselves. It's like they have this perceived life threatened instinctual reaction to be in the same tree fort or something. Just like secret agent thruster above. What a joke! Like that was not the very first thing that the analysts ruled out with respect to reactive debris and/or ice particles in the NASA. That's just plain stupid. That or a sincere hope that others listening are just plain stupid. Either way it's just nonsense.

U.S. Air Force pilot had orders to shoot down UFO
Story By: Tom Llamas
Source: NBC

Kendall, Florida Published 17 hour(s) ago
He was told to keep a government secret or lose his job as an Air Force fighter pilot. Now the secret is out, and a South Florida man is talking about the night he was ordered to shoot down a UFO.

The incident happened more than 40 years ago, when Milton Torres said he had a close encounter that all started with a command from superiors to "scramble." Torres, jumped into his F-86 Sabre jet. "Within two minutes we were airborne, Torres said.

He flew from an airfield in Kent, England, and headed for a target over East Anglia. "They also said this was an active fire mission -- that I would be firing 24 rockets," Torres said.

When Torres looked down into his radar, he was approaching what look like an aircraft carrier in the sky. "It was a big blip," Torres said. "I locked on; I had an overtake speed; everything was going fine." Then, with about 20 seconds to go, the blip started shrinking. "The next thing I know, it was gone," Torres said. "He just disappeared. He just took off."

Torres estimated that the unknown aircraft had to be traveling at about mach 10, or about 5,000 mph. In 1957, nothing went that fast.

Back at the base, his commanders had no answers. "They told me, 'We don't know what happened. We know he went off the scope completely.'"

Torres said it was a cloudy day, but there is no way the U.S. military was stuck in the Twilight Zone that night. "My wingman's radar, my radar, and the ground radar together. Three different radars, no," Torres said.

The incident was recently declassified by the British Ministry of Defense and posted online. The documents only tell Torres' version of the story, sent to the department in 1988. The retired airman, who holds three degrees and taught engineering, never heard back.

The day after the mission, he was debriefed by a U.S. civilian at the airfield who told him the mission was considered highly classified, and if he ever mentioned it again, he would not be flying airplanes anymore.

To this day, Torres said he absolutely believes it was a UFO.

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/clusteringflux/EmpireOhioHeadlineImage3lo.jpg



Along the Ohio River, at the nexus of the borders of Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania, a huge object said to be "about the size of a large shopping mall and parking lot" was reportedly sighted in the early morning hours of Friday, Oct. 24, by a military veteran who worked in the helicopter aviation field while in the military.

According to a report by Emmy Award-winning TV producer, investigative reporter and author Linda Moulton Howe on her Web site Earthfiles.com, truck driver Tim Comstock was on Route 7 north of the town of Empire, Ohio, at 3:45 a.m. The area is in Jefferson County (named after Thomas Jefferson).

After first seeing a brightly lit object the size of a large pickup truck apparently slowly rising above the tree line, Comstock noticed a much larger dark object that included three bluish lights in a triangular pattern. The bright object seemed to be rising toward the larger object, Comstock told Howe.

Comstock said he took three photos with his cell phone camera that caught both the brightly-lit object and the three bluish lights in the triangular formation. The photos are posted on Earthfiles.com.

The encounter started as Comstock was driving and saw other cars pulled over on the side of the road.
Howe quoted Comstock as saying, "As I was driving along the route, I noticed there were a couple of cars alongside the road with their lights still on. People were standing outside their car and that peaked my curiosity about what was going on. I looked in the direction that they were looking, which was toward the top of a rather large hill."

Comstock told Howe, "I looked up and there was a very bright object just above the tree level. I can't really say for sure what it was because I've never seen anything like it."

"It seemed self-luminescent. It was about the size of a large pickup truck and it was very bright whenever I looked at it. That's really what caught my attention."

"Five or six cars" were pulled over, Comstock stated. "The people standing there looked like they were stuck, just transfixed watching the objects. They weren't moving. They were just standing almost completely still."

"They were pretty awestruck. And it was extremely close to the small town of Empire, Ohio. I don't know if people there saw it. Maybe it was too late at night."

'SOMETHING ORGANIC'

"It didn't look like anything mechanical by any means. To me, it looked like a cocoon," Comstock told Howe.

"When I saw it, I was trying to take everything in and that's immediately what I thought when I saw it – that it was organic. That's the feeling that I got. I didn't think it could be anything else. It just came across as something organic."

Comstock said that as the object rose, he was able to see the larger object from the light given off by the smaller ascending object. The larger object with the bluish lights seemed to be basically stationary, Comstock said.

"As long as I had it [brightly-lit smaller object] in my field of vision, it seemed like it might have risen from above the tree line, I would say a couple thousand feet."

"It was a white light with a little bit of orange inside of it. It had a little bit of red and the shape just seemed so strange to me because it seemed like a biological shape. As I watched that shape, it was rising upward," Comstock stated.

"As I looked above that, I saw a pattern of three bluish-colored lights. They weren't flickering like a star. They were in some kind of sequence, but they were all in tune with each other. They were very large lights. They were definitely not stars."

"I'm judging this because I was in the military and worked on helicopters, so I can tell this was pretty low because a couple of thousand feet seems like a lot, but it's really not," he said.

"It seemed like it rose a few thousand feet and then the craft – by the time I lost sight of it – it seems like it might have been maybe 500 feet from whatever the object was above it. So it was definitely getting closer to the triangular craft that was drawing it in," Comstock told Howe.

"As the large white-orange object was rising up, it looked like it was going into the center of the triangle of blue lights. At first glance when I saw the triangle of lights and rising, glowing object, I could not process what was going on."

"As the white-orange object got closer to the triangle of lights, I could see from reflected light that the underside of the inside of the triangle pattern of blue lights was one object – one very, very large object. When I saw it with my naked eye, I saw the bottom of the craft and it looked like it was very flat."

Comstock described the color of the larger craft above to Howe as being dark gray or black. He said he thought it had a crystalline type of surface that reminded him of a "cracked open piece of coal."

"It was big. About the size of a large shopping mall and parking lot."

PHOTOS AND FEELINGS

"As I was driving, I actually slowed down to about 2 mph and there was no safe place on the side of the road. I slowed down almost to a stop and I was able to get a really good look the whole time everything was happening just above my head. I was able to slow down enough to hold the phone outside my window and still have a view inside the window frame and I was able to take the three pictures there."

But Comstock's feelings about the encounter are puzzling even to himself.

Comstock told Howe, "I gave the photos to a couple of my friends to look at. I still have the photos on my phone. I sent them to my wife. I went home this week and I would not look at them on the computer. My friends were telling me about how amazing they are to look at in the larger size and I just can't bring myself to look at them."

"I don't think I'm afraid of it. It's something that is such an awesome thing that I just can't wrap my head around it. It's one of those things that if I see it again – whatever I saw, I started trembling and the hair on my arms stood up and I knew I was in the presence of something beautiful and much larger than I could possibly fathom. It was just the most beautiful thing I've ever seen."

"It's a very strange feeling. I don't know. I can't explain it 100%. I can't really fathom why I would feel this way about it, but it was something that struck me as beautiful and awesome at the same time," Comstock said.

"I suppose that once I've calmed down on the inside, I'll be able to look at them, but like I told you earlier, when you called this morning, I've even had trouble looking up at the stars because, as you said, it's a paradigm shift. It's something that completely changes the way I think about life and the universe – completely!" Howe reported Comstock as saying.

"If this, indeed, is something that's not from Earth, it's definitely something of great significance."

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