...for porn.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html

or, if you want something more mainstream:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/IraqCoverage/story?id=1166772&page=1

This damn war is becoming, more, and more embarrassing, for the british people, there seems to be no discipline, in the American army, and to be associated with this circus, is starting to be a nightmare.

As they build pyramids out of prisoners, for laughs, take family snaps of dead bodies, to get access to porn sites, when does someone from above e.g. a colonel, if they have one, other than kentucky fried chickens colonel sanders, when does this colonel say, hey stop behaving like 3 year olds, at the zoo, and start behaving like soldiers.

No wonder this war is going on so long, what with the looting, when they first arrived, and there constant public humiliation of muslims, whether its saddaam in his underwear, or Lynndie England, and her fellow SS loonies, doing a good impression, of the marathon man,
it has al become a ebay auction, for photos of saddam, or of dead bodies, or torturing in progress,this has all done wonders for insurgent recruiting, every loony muslim militant, from pluto to uranus, is heading for iraq.

How the hell, did the british, get into this *ucking farce, i was for the war, at the start, but the more i see, of the 3 year old soldiers, who seem to be running the american army these days, not a teacher in sight, the more i want the british forces, out of there.

YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU: clown leaders, teachers, psychiatrists, zoo attendants, animal handlers,
If you have any expierience of the above posts,
please contact the American goverment urgently ask to speak to Dubba, you are urgently required to control our soldiers.

England was ordered to do what she did by her superior officers. So were her buddies. They should have got a signature and a thumbprint for authorization. Even then, we obviously have officers who have no honor or they would have volunteered to face the charges with the people who they ordered to violate the law.

England was ordered to do what she did by her superior officers. So were her buddies. They should have got a signature and a thumbprint for authorization. Even then, we obviously have officers who have no honor or they would have volunteered to face the charges with the people who they ordered to violate the law.

Were they ordered to loot, when they first arrived, and if so are the antiques, shown at the whitehouse.

Were they ordered to auction photos of saddam in his underwear to uk newspapers for cash, was dubba in for half the profits.

Were they ordered to send pics of dead bodies, for access to porn websites, if so does dubba have access too.

Were they ordered to raise the american flag over, saddam statue in iraq, if so was this too say, iraq is now a american colony now.

Were they ordered to, to make pyramids of arabs in detention.

Were they ordered to, take photos of humiliation, and then sell them to the highest bidder.



I understand the need for torturing terroists in private, behind closed doors.
I do not understand Lynndie England, pointing at mens genitals, as they are stacked in a pile, THAT IS NOT TORTURE, THAT IS SOME YAHOO INBREEDS, WITH A MENTAL AGE OF 3.

degrading people is not torture, it just pisses them off, and it pours petrol over anti- american feeling around the world.

AND I DO NOT GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA, SOLDIERS ARE BEING FORCED INTO DOING THESE THINGS, WHAT IF THERE COMMANDING OFFICER ASKED THEM TO MACHINE GUN DOWN, A SCHOOLYARD FULL OF CHIDREN, THEY ALL DO IT.

THE NAZIS SODIERS, IN WORLD WAR 2, CAME UP WITH THE SAME CROCK OF SHIT, THEY SAID THEY WERE FORCED TO KILL JEWS, TO AVOID GOING TO JAIL AFTER THE WAR.

WE ALL HAVE CHOICES IN LIFE, TO DO THE RIGHT THING, OR THE WRONG THING, THERE IS A TOTAL LACK OF DISCIPLINE RUNNING THROUGH, THE ENTIRE ARMY IN IRAQ.

England is our lapdog. We run the pathetic country. Their Prime Minster is our slave, what else? We tell them how to live their lives and WE Decide their Foreign Policies............HAHAHAHA. Now, i haven't see that kind of puppet in a very long time. Seems like Bliar is not their people's prime minister but our puppet and we run the show from white house.

Long live USA.

America might as well, go the whole hog here, and have, pay per view torturing, and degrading prisoners live, it should pull in a 50 million audience in the US, they can get some of the prisoners to *uck a pig, not Lyndie england, a real pig.

I mean if they want to take this farce, to a new level, pay per view has got to be the answer.

And why are soldiers, taking cameras, and camcorders to a warzone, are they issued as part of the US army kit, these days.

You understand that I want the 24-hour Bomb Damage Assessment Channel. All bomb damage assessment all the time.
I'm serious.

America might as well, go the whole hog here, and have, pay per view torturing, and degrading prisoners live, it should pull in a 50 million audience in the US, they can get some of the prisoners to *uck a pig, not Lyndie england, a real pig.

I mean if they want to take this farce, to a new level, pay per view has got to be the answer.

And why are soldiers, taking cameras, and camcorders to a warzone, are they issued as part of the US army kit, these days.


Its in the name vinton.Lyndie "England" its fucking name which caused all the bad in her behavoir. If she had a different name like lyndie smith or lyndie whatever she would have been a better person. But the pathetic name England is cause of all the problems in the world. :eek:

But the pathetic name England is cause of all the problems in the world. :eek:

Can you expand on your statement that "England is the cause of ALL the problems in the world"

I doubt it!

And why do you refer to England as pathetic?

Can you expand on your statement that "England is the cause of ALL the problems in the world"

I doubt it!

And why do you refer to England as pathetic?


Easy, America’s lap dog. :p

Easy, America’s lap dog. :p
Very droll. Joker by name Joker by nature eh? I'm looking for a serious answer though, preferably from skywalker.

Very droll. Joker by name Joker by nature eh? I'm looking for a serious answer though, preferably from skywalker.



The comedy is that it’s serious, there’s a nice irony when it comes to the
joke(r's) in politics.

Now let’s hope Big Brother is not watching (reading, listening) to what is being said. :p

"No wonder this war is going on so long, what with the looting, when they first arrived, and there constant public humiliation of muslims, whether its saddaam in his underwear, or Lynndie England, and her fellow SS loonies, doing a good impression, of the marathon man,
it has al become a ebay auction, for photos of saddam, or of dead bodies, or torturing in progress,this has all done wonders for insurgent recruiting, every loony muslim militant, from pluto to uranus, is heading for iraq.", Vincent28uk

So easily said, so difficult to do. A few soldiers sending photos to an internet company is the most overblown story I have seen in some time. Considering in a population of 140,000 (which is the amount of soldiers you have in Iraq), there are generally a large group of rapists, sadists, and murderers anyway. Is it that hard to believe when some situations like this occur? There are alot worse things than trading pictures for porn, and this inevitably will happen with such a large force.

Stick guns in that populations hands, and put them in a hostile foreign land, and that normal percentage of murders, and rapists will probably increase. In general, the army in Iraq is more controlled than most would be in the same situation (ex, french peace keepers shooting at crowds).

You idealists really have to start waking up and smell reality. While I never did support this war, I do not live in a cloud of unrealistic expectations, as well.

The Mother of all unrealistic expectations was that Iraq could survive an All-American tm occupation without descending into chaos, and sparking a firestorm of regional political (and global financial) Unrest.

(D'oh.)

Considering what warfare usually brings, we ought to be quite glad we aren't seeing far, far, far, far worse. Frankly, this is pretty civilized for the normal course of battle.

And I think people forget: Killing people can become fun.

"And I think people forget: Killing people can become fun."

What the hell do you mean by that?

Once bullets start flying, all parts of the human brain not conscerned with survival shut off. You get caught up in the battle, hardly knowing what you are doing, until your men are the only ones standing. Even afterwards, it keeps a strange sort of allure for those who aren't outright traumatized.

It leaves an imprint on the human mind: all those who wish you harm are the enemy. They are no longer human. As horrible as this sounds, it is a universal concept that is quite essential to warfare. You can't fight a war without demonizing the enemy... unless you are a truely horrifying beast at heart. Without it, you may as well be killing your brother.

We could burn every city that opposes us to the ground, not leaving so much as a goat alive, and it would be quite acceptable to the classical idea of war. It was believed that you only had an obligation to those who surrendered and bent themselves to one knee before you.

I've experienced war. Not fun. Although I have never killed anyone, I've known bloodied soldiers and civilians. It wasn't ever fun for them or me. So what you and PJ are saying makes absolutely no sense to me.

"Killing people can become fun." Expand, retract, or scurry away because I'm curious exactly what you two are expressing.

Killing the enemy in war is essential for survival, its a case of them or you. But killing for fun......? Thats sick..

Well, nice to know A-Rabs are at least good for something . . .

Well, nice to know A-Rabs are at least good for something . . .
'A-rabs'..whats that. an iinsult? and you mean they are good for killing?

Although I have never killed anyone, ...

Then you wouldn't know, would you? And you also wouldn't whether or not you enjoyed it. So of course it would make no sense to you.

"Killing people can become fun." Expand, retract, or scurry away because I'm curious exactly what you two are expressing.

Well, one can't "explain" it ...it's like love, how do you explain it to someone who has never experienced it? The best I've ever heard is, "Oh, god! What an rush ...what an adrenaline rush!" Does that help any?

Baron Max

I guess instead of the dead ones we could cut up the live ones and broadcast it all over the internet and news.....oh wait, the muslims have already done that....

""Oh, god! What an rush ...what an adrenaline rush!" Does that help any?"

Well, that reminds me of adolescent movie-going concepts of war, and of killing and dying. But it does not resemble in the least reactions and attitudes of the living and dead people I have known in the context of the Lebanese civil war. I am (through some familiarity with war) well assured that most people (even young people involved) have a much more mature and adjusted attitude than you describe. A "what a rush!" attitude would repulse me, and I expect it would repulse a lot of people, whether sharing the proverbial foxhole, or on reflecting after the guns fall silent and the big stink and gory cleanup begins.

A "what a rush!" attitude would repulse me, and I expect it would repulse a lot of people, ....

But not all people. And that's just exactly what I said/implied. But remember, ye're talking about it from a position of ignorance, of never having personally killed anyone, so again I ask you ....how would you KNOW?

Well, that reminds me of adolescent movie-going concepts of war, and of killing and dying.

And just why do you think such movies are so damned popular? If you as you say, so many people are revolved by killing and death, why are such movies so popular?

Baron Max

What can I say? Half the people who set foot on a battlefield turn into klingons and the other half need to be treated for post traumatic shock for the rest of their lives.

What can I say? Half the people who set foot on a battlefield turn into klingons and the other half need to be treated for post traumatic shock for the rest of their lives.

No, that's wrong!! The greater majority simply continue on with their lives without too much of an issue ....and that's why you seldom hear from them.

Remember, it's just like the news reports that we hear every day ....sensationalism sells ...so the horror stories are first, then the abject sympathy stories are next. If there's any time remaining, they might, just might, get around to telling the "normal" stories.

Clockwood, if you really think your statement is true, would you provide some evidence for it or statistics? I'm really curious where you got your info.

Baron Max

No statistics, no hard and cleancut evidence. But I grew up in a military family and half the people I know served in one war or another. War is a main subject of discussion to this day between my family and friends.

Some, like my father, saw a little too much and you can see it in his eyes. He laughs, he smiles, but all the time the subject is on the table he has this haunted look in his eyes. He talks about his experiences not because it brings him any pride or joy, but because he feels obligated to. To him, forgetting would be the same as taking a dump on the graves of his fallen friends.

A friend of the family, someone who served with my father and could be considered my adopted uncle, took it a different way. He reveled in the stories, drinking toasts to those who had died and applauding the exploits they made when alive. He was known for doing some stupid and rather nasty things to the locals and would probably have been kicked out in this day and age. You want more detail or more stories, I have it.

Everyone copes differently... if they are lucky enough to cope at all. The thing is that anyone who can take the life of a fellow human being as they watch the lives of their friends blown out must be mad in one way or another, for good or ill. I don't want to meet the man who can go through that and be completely unchanged.

You think trading photos of the dead is creepy, someone I used to hear about would make you wet your pants. This little, old southeast asian man that my father used to get drunk with always used to brag about taking trophies from the Japanese in WW2. The bloody kind. Sweet old man with a nasty side to him.

...for porn.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html

or, if you want something more mainstream:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/IraqCoverage/story?id=1166772&page=1
What, are you saying you wouldn't hand over photos of dead people for porn? Sounds like a fair trade to me, man. As long as I get the pr0n. :D

No statistics, no hard and cleancut evidence. But I grew up in a military family and half the people I know served in one war or another.

That's not much of a cross-section on which to form such a strong opinion about something. Would you use the same techniques in scientific research?

And yet you go on to say: "Everyone copes differently..."

I don't want to meet the man who can go through that and be completely unchanged.

Who ever said anything about being "unchanged"? And why even by your own admission above, "Everyone copes differently..." Differently can be a lot of different ways/things, not all of which are "bad" (as you seem to have concluded from your very limited experience).

Baron Max

Please revisit "fun" in the context of any combat veteran's experience or recollection of the same. I can not (speaking generally to Baron and Clockwood) reconcile what you have suggested with my experiences under fire.

I know that sane people do not form in combat a mentality while puncturing, shredding, burning, hauling away, burying, making press statements about- whatever task they are assigned involving human life, death, meat, bone, family, property, futures. When confronted for the first time or hundredth time with patently obviously human gore, and also with the ironically mundane wreckage of everyday human lives, the experience is not enjoyable. Fighting humans on their home ground to the death is not at all like going to a restaurant for a prepared meal. It's not like Disneyland. It's not like sex. It's not fun.

Battle experienced from engagement to mopup does not in the least bit allow the luxury of such emotional detachment from the hunt, the quarry, the butchering, the cooking, and the cleanup. It forces a personal impression.

Even when the process is compartmentalized and organizationally specialized. Working in naval intel, I became familiar with that area of the sausage factory. I know from personal experience that the knowledge of being part of a people-killing organization in operation is tangible in real-time during combat engagements. Unless you are as they often said in the "Great Generation" chickenshit- then you are pampered (and/or pamper yourself) in an emotionally safe isolation from the messier compartments of the labrynthine sausage factory. But through those back doors no chickenhawk ever passes, there is no "bon-apetit", and there is no spoonful of sugar, that can make this cannibal's banquet (real killing) appetizing, appealing, or fun.

I do not believe you when you suggest that protracted combat produces a gleeful-Klingon altered state in an identifiable minority (or more) of soldiers. Not where I've been, not even for the more erratic people around me. After being under fire for a sufficient time (in my case it was as a civilian) it is not unusual for most people to be emotionally at peace. I know from my later military training that I can function in the same way while carrying out offensive operations, as can a Beiruti shopkeeper with a literally bloody mess- or several.

When under small-arms fire that is not directed with precision, or when high-rise buildings constrain schrapnel of heavy shelling to relatively small areas, then most everyone comes to realize that there is absolutely no need for personal cover, no need to change what you are doing (assuming of course that it is worth doing under fire). In these situations, it's less like watching a movie as a kid, and much more like simple multitasking, say playing a slow and detached game of russian roulette with a few strangers while driving in traffic. It has a certain curiosity, there is a certain humor in our behavior, and we often share a chuckle with our associates and friends over the endless parade of ironies. But that doesn't mean one is "having fun" under fire, or while directing lethal force at other human beings.

Even as one can come to truly hate those attempting to kill oneself or friend and loved ones, there is no logical progression from here to an emotional state where combat is fun. Remember, in any such situation the other side inevitably wants to hit back at most inconvenient times and in very nasty ways. I would like one of you to describe for me in specific detail, and with context, a feeling of "fun" in combat. I have experienced intense adrenal reactions, along with the exhilaration of surviving something obviously dangerous. I have experienced the Bond whereby you think (wrongly) that only those who lived through a particular experience can understand it. And all that bullshit.

But fun? I don't get it. Please describe to me in detail how a soldier has fun in combat, because I think you're full of shit.

Now, on a completely different tack, I do completely understand how the Bush Cabinet believed that a splendid little war could be fun, if not for the whole family, then for the nation. I want to discuss this further.

But first I'd like to hear from chickenhawks of lower paygrade. Please explain how a soldier arrives at a mental state of "fun", or having fun in combat. So Clockwood and Baron Max: Explain to us exactly how you react under fire.

Hype, you've typed a very long, involved post ....but ask yourself just how many soldiers have you known who've been in combat AND killed men on whom you based your opinions? Then ask yourself how many soldiers, in total, have been in combat and have killed men? Now ask yourself if all of your opinions are based on similar meager evidence?

But fun? I don't get it. Please describe to me in detail how a soldier has fun in combat, because I think you're full of shit.

No, that's right ...you don't get it! And yet you keep trying to pretend that you do ...and you even type up long, involved posts to try to convince others that your opinion is right and others' opinions are wrong.

But just think, Hype, how can one "describe in detail" about combat and killing a human being? Can you "describe in detail" how it's so much fun to stick your dick into a warm, wet pussy? ...and "describe in detail" how that's any different to sticking your dick into a milk bottle full of warm, raw liver.

Or, if it's more to your tastes, try to "describe in detail" a beautiful sunset to a blind man!

Baron Max

how that's any different to sticking your dick into a milk bottle full of warm, raw liver.
Baron Max

sad
live pussy flexes and pulsates

i think the rate is about 20% of vets that suffer from trauma

I think it is less than .01% who enjoy killing people. I've known hundreds of killers well, and a few of the killed, Baron.

Please explain this passionate bloodlust fetish thing, Baron- I really don't get it.

and that .01% has a profile...

..a sexually impotent coward, venting his own feeling of worthlessness on hapless innocents... he strongly identifies with the people he kills, and is probably trying to resolve his own inner conflicts and dementia by turning his wrath and hatred outward. the killer is a friendless, poorly-educated loner, probably homosexual, with a physical deformity and inch long dick. time is mostly spent on sciforums posting garbage and fantasizing about death

fuck max
fuck the psychopath

...live pussy flexes and pulsates

All of them??? All?

...i think the rate is about 20% of vets that suffer from trauma

So if my math skills are still okay, that leave about 80%, right? Of that 80%, how many enjoyed combat and killing the enemy? Another way of seeing it is .....during the Vietnam war, how many soldiers re-enlisted and volunteered to return to combat? I'll bet those figures are listed somewhere ...and you guys who are good with Internet searching might be able to find it.

Baron Max

I think it is less than .01% who enjoy killing people.

Sources? If you have such info, please provide it if you expect anyone to believe you. Otherwise, your statement is nothing but your own wishful thinking.

I've known hundreds of killers well, and a few of the killed, Baron.

Only hundreds? That sure ain't much of a sampling, is it? Would you be comfortable with that sampling for any other issue?

Please explain this passionate bloodlust fetish thing, Baron- I really don't get it.

No, you don't!!! ...and yet ye're arguing against it!! See? That makes no sense .....you can't understand it, so you're making claims about it???? Now THAT'S sad.

Baron Max

So if my math skills are still okay, that leave about 80%, right? Of that 80%, how many enjoyed combat and killing the enemy? Another way of seeing it is .....during the Vietnam war, how many soldiers re-enlisted and volunteered to return to combat?

Baron Max

ahh
i see you link re-enlistment with love of combat and killing
explain
provide references that support your assertions

if you cannot, i'll have to dismiss this as another one of your unfounded and moronic assertions. good luck

ahh ...i see you link re-enlistment with love of combat and killing...

Oh, god, ya' mean I have to teach you to read, too?! I said: ".....during the Vietnam war, how many soldiers re-enlisted and volunteered to return to combat?" Note the use of the word "and", between "re-enlisted" and "volunteered". Many soldiers fulfilled their 12-month tour in Vietnam combat, but voluntarily re-enlisted AND requested a return to combat duty in Vietnam. Check it out if you know how ...I don't.

provide references that support your assertions

What assertions? Perhaps you should read my posts again ....if you know how to read AND comprehend, of course. But then, weren't you the one that stated that all pussy "flexes and pulsates" during intercourse?? ...LOL!

Baron Max

It's really true, Baron. But only when the woman is enjoying herself. Even if you have never actually witnessed this in person, you will certainly find it helpful to pay attention when someone is taking the time to explain another point of view to you.

Many soldiers fulfilled their 12-month tour in Vietnam combat, but voluntarily re-enlisted AND requested a return to combat duty in Vietnam.

Well Max, let me explain.Most soldiers witnessed such horrific incidents, acts of brutality, scenes of death and gore and were involved many horrendous situations,that their mental state became 'unstable', so many soldiers on leave during their tour felt like home wasnt home anymore, they were forever changed.When they were back on tour they felt 'in-place', they knew what was asked of them, what they had to do.Their mental state ment that they couldnt deal with anything 'normal', because they were 'normal' no more.A good film which shows this very well is Apocalypse Now. :m:

Well Max, let me explain. Most soldiers.... <snip>... Their mental state ment that they couldnt deal with anything 'normal', because they were 'normal' no more.A good film which shows this very well is Apocalypse Now.

Do you have any statistics to back up that comment? "Most soldiers..."??? Most? Please provide some backup for that statement.

And you see a movie, made in Hollywood, and you use it as a reference??? Oh, please! Did you make the same incorrect assumptions about "most cops" when you saw "Dirty Harry"?

Baron Max

have you fought in a war Bmax, or have you ever even signed up?

have you fought in a war Bmax, or have you ever even signed up?

No matter how I replied to that question, there'd be nasty comments about me one way or the other. So I choose not to even bother with such personal questions ....mostly because they're totally irrelevant.

If we can't read the posts, comprehend what they mean and comment on that, then we have no real place here - a place where the written word is everything.

Baron Max

No matter how I replied to that question, there'd be nasty comments about me one way or the other. So I choose not to even bother with such personal questions ....mostly because they're totally irrelevant.

If we can't read the posts, comprehend what they mean and comment on that, then we have no real place here - a place where the written word is everything.

Baron Max
in other words, your dodgin the question!

Yes, Duendy, because it has no relevance to the discussion at hand.

Baron Max

Yes, Duendy, because it has no relevance to the discussion at hand.

Baron Max
no relevance? what...you are sat sttin there tappin away, stating that soldiers just LOVE to do war? what i am trying toget to i ...you are just full of words. you aint got a clu about war. if you had you wouldne come out with what you ay.....sam with the 'race' issue. it is all statistics on paper. you dont KNOW the REALITY..iswhat i a sayin

no relevance? what...you are sat sttin there tappin away, stating that soldiers just LOVE to do war?

See? Ye're trying to make it different to what I said!! Why???

I said that SOME people/soldiers who HAVE been in combat AND have killed people enjoy it. That's not all soldiers, it's not "most" soldiers, it's not an exact percentage or anything else!! Read what I wrote!!!

...you are just full of words. you aint got a clu about war.

Okay, fine. But that doesn't negate what I wrote, does it? If I have never been in combat, have never killed anyone, the words don't change their meaning! ...LOL!

Where do you think mercenary soldiers come from? Where do you think our Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces, police SWAT teams, etc come from? Why do some soldiers re-enlist and volunteer to return to combat?

...you dont KNOW the REALITY..iswhat i a sayin

Okay ....you tell me the "reality" of war and combat and killing. I mean, since YOU seem to think that you DO know the reality! :)

Baron Max

yes there are soldiers who seem to love it--killing, inflicting suffering. not all. some. as there are people who in 'civvy' life love to harm, torture, murder and serial murder.a small percentage. but you--as is your wont, is trying to make out te majority of people love war, killin, horror, torture.....no?...

but you--as is your wont, is trying to make out te majority of people love war, killin, horror, torture.....no?...

Where, oh, where did you get that idea????

Baron Max

"Well, one can't "explain" it ...it's like love, how do you explain it to someone who has never experienced it? The best I've ever heard is, "Oh, god! What an rush ...what an adrenaline rush!""

What a turn-on. I'm giddy.

"what I said/implied [was that] not all people [are repulsed by a "what a Rush" attitude]"

Just the intelligent and sympathetic ones.

"how can one "describe in detail" about combat and killing a human being? Can you "describe in detail" how it's so much fun to stick your dick into a warm, wet pussy? ...and "describe in detail" how that's any different to sticking your dick into a milk bottle full of warm, raw liver...Or, if it's more to your tastes, try to "describe in detail" a beautiful sunset to a blind man!"

Get help.

"[PTSD Soldiers] leave about 80%, right? Of that 80%, how many enjoyed combat and killing the enemy? Another way of seeing it is .....during the Vietnam war, how many soldiers re-enlisted and volunteered to return to combat? I'll bet those figures are listed somewhere ...and you guys who are good with Internet searching might be able to find it."

24.75 : Several lost limbs on the first tour. All were a Minority among American Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Tinkers, Tailors, and Spies.

"Many soldiers fulfilled their 12-month tour in Vietnam combat, but voluntarily re-enlisted AND requested a return to combat duty in Vietnam."

Apparent implication: They enjoyed combat.

Well, nice to know A-Rabbis are at least good for something . . .

Sick :eek: