U.S.-German Flare-Up Over Vast Nazi Camp Archives (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/20/international/europe/20germany.html?ex=1298091600&en=72f8b0d019dfce07&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
Tempers are flaring over a United States demand to open to scholars and researchers a huge repository of information about the Holocaust contained in the files of the International Tracing Service at Bad Arolsen, Germany.
This is odd to anyone familiar with WW2 history , and the timing in light of the current holocaust furore suspicious .
Paul Shapiro, the director of advanced Holocaust studies at the museum, accused Germany of "abusing efforts to achieve consensus" and "exerting a stranglehold on the process." He added, "Hiding this record is a form of Holocaust denial."
For the last 15 years it's been the historians that wanted the archives opened, and the Jewish lobbies allied with the US and German governments who wanted them kept closed.
Based in part on documents gathered by Allied forces as they liberated Nazi concentration camps, the stock of files held by the organization stretches for about 15.5 miles, and holds information on 17.5 million people. It amounts to one of the largest closed archives anywhere.

The collection is unique in its intimate personal detailing of a catastrophe, which is what makes the question of open access so delicate. The papers may reveal who was treated for lice at which camp, what ghoulish medical experiment was conducted on which prisoner and why, who was accused by the Nazis of homosexuality or murder or incest or pedophilia, which Jews collaborated and how they were induced to do so.
So why is the US Government pushing for the archive to be opened just now? I am, to put it mildly, suspicious of their motives .
Is it becasue Jewish groups wish to keep the rapidly diminishing of the historical importance of the Holocaust alive ?
Or is it because Germany fears more Holocaust lawsuits that would extort even more money from the German taxpayers ?
Or does Germany wish this part of its ancient history finally closed and forgotten ?

Is it becasue Jewish groups wish to keep the rapidly diminishing of the historical importance of the Holocaust alive ?

I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you claiming the importance of the holocaust is "rapidly diminishing"? Or are you saying Jewish groups are trying to diminish the importance?

Or is it because Germany fears more Holocaust lawsuits that would extort even more money from the German taxpayers ?

Are you saying that opening the archive would potentially lead to more lawsuits?

Or does Germany wish this part of its ancient history finally closed and forgotten ?

Sixty years ago is hardly "ancient history". Agreed?

Im posing questions as to why Germany wants to keep these files shut .

Or is it because Germany fears more Holocaust lawsuits that would extort even more money from the German taxpayers ?
Or does Germany wish this part of its ancient history finally closed and forgotten ?
i really don't know where to start
first of all is there such a thing as a "war crime"?
war is a nasty ugly business, there are no rules in war
i take that back, there is one rule in war and that is to win. all else be damned.

don't get me wrong, i am not taking the nazis side but where do these jews get off on sueing someone over something that happened during wartime?
isn't that like crying foul? everything is fair play in war.
how can anybody gripe about the tactics used by the other side?
if people do not like what war looks like then by god they should do everything in their power to prevent it

Germany says they are concerned about privacy and legal issues, but they might just be embarrased.

I can't imagine that any Jewish groups are against opening these archives, do you have any proof of that Brian?

in light of the current holocaust furor
What holocaust furor?

Leopold, you don't appear to have heard of the Geneva convention and the like. There are very decidedly rules in war, some written, some unwritten.

I don't see any Hiroshima/Nagasaki victims/descendants suing the US for nuking their women and babies.

i really don't know where to start
first of all is there such a thing as a "war crime"?
war is a nasty ugly business, there are no rules in war
i take that back, there is one rule in war and that is to win. all else be damned.
And in this case why was so much money paid out in compensation to nations and victims whereas in other wars such as Vietnam , that unfortunate nation and its people received nothing .
don't get me wrong, i am not taking the nazis side but where do these jews get off on sueing someone over something that happened during wartime?
isn't that like crying foul? everything is fair play in war.
how can anybody gripe about the tactics used by the other side?
if people do not like what war looks like then by god they should do everything in their power to prevent it
I believe survivors of the camps and slave labourers should recive adequate compensation for what happened that is only fair . But when this drags into many decades and many upon many untold billions , and you find out that not much of this money went to the actual victims but to private inviduals you wonder .
Germany says they are concerned about privacy and legal issues, but they might just be embarrased.
No I believe myself Germany wants this chapter of their history closed so they can move on , what has privacy to do with this ? The people spoke of in those files and the authors are long dead and gone .
I can't imagine that any Jewish groups are against opening these archives, do you have any proof of that Brian?
No that was the case , Jewish groups in particular after the war wanted those files closed , evidently I say there was much to do about who sold out who , what Jews collaborated with the Nazis , mind you Iam just speculating .
in light of the current holocaust furor
What holocaust furor?
With David Irving and the Iranian holocaust gambit .
I don't see any Hiroshima/Nagasaki victims/descendants suing the US for nuking their women and babies.
Yeah well when the Chinese see adequate Japanese monetary compensation and recognition for the Rape of Nanking and many other atrocities such as 5000 Australian soldiers dying in their POW camps I will go along with that .

The victims of the holocaust aren't all "long dead", some, such as my aunt, still live, but somehow I don't think she would object to the truth being known. Perhaps it could be evidence for further lawsuits? Perhaps some well known German companies are documented assisting in the murder of millions? Perhaps even American companies, such as IBM? I have heard that the Nazis used IBM punchcard machines to keep records at the camps.

Yeah well when the Chinese see adequate Japanese monetary compensation and recognition for the Rape of Nanking and many other atrocities such as 5000 Australian soldiers dying in their POW camps I will go along with that .Do you people not know the fine line difference from civilian and military/government? It's as if we should blame American citizens for atrocities done by the US government.

Though, funny enough, some people do have that idea...

Of course Japan should recompensate for their actions, maybe they have. I do remember them surrendering and all. Just how Germany did and they ended up recompensating.


[Renrue]

The victims of the holocaust aren't all "long dead", some, such as my aunt, still live, but somehow I don't think she would object to the truth being known. Perhaps it could be evidence for further lawsuits?
The only truth I want to be recognized and explained is why did the Allies not bomb Aushwitz in 1943 ? Especially in light of the fact that the camps true purposes of the camp became known .
Perhaps some well known German companies are documented assisting in the murder of millions?
Precisely , I am quite concerned that what has not been made known is the fact that the holocaust was virtually a private capitalist concern . The German government tendered the construction of these extermination camps out and Architecture companies put their tenders in . These camps were owned and operated by German corporations such as Thiessens and Siemens , the German government paid Private railway companies to transport its human product for exploitation and extermination .What is not discussed is that the massive Aushwitz/Brkenau complex was in fact a free trade zone for German companies to take advantage of slave labour . Not one of these capitalist animals stood trial at Nuremburg .
Perhaps even American companies, such as IBM? I have heard that the Nazis used IBM punchcard machines to keep records at the camps.
And General motors as well as Coca Cola , US corporations set up shop in Switzerland protected by Allen Dulles .
Do you people not know the fine line difference from civilian and military/government?
Yeah I do .
It's as if we should blame American citizens for atrocities done by the US government.

Though, funny enough, some people do have that idea...
Makes no difference , the I was just following orders defence no longer stands , likewise the people must take responsibility for their governments actions , complacency is not a reason for ignorance.
Of course Japan should recompensate for their actions, maybe they have. I do remember them surrendering and all. Just how Germany did and they ended up recompensating.
Agreed , and seeing we in the victorious West set the standard we must also set the example as well and start with Korea , Vietnam , Algeria , Ireland , Afghanistan , Nicaragua , East Timor etc

Makes no difference , the I was just following orders defence no longer stands , likewise the people must take responsibility for their governments actions , complacency is not a reason for ignorance.That argument is used only against military and soldiers. Not civilians living in a non-military base city.

And also, what did the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki do that was "following orders?" And even if they opposed, what good would that do?

Remember, they were under an emperor, supreme ruler. It's like me if I were a native of North Korea and tried protesting for a democratic nation. And nuking them is not a solution.


[Renrue]

The only truth I want to be recognized and explained is why did the Allies not bomb Aushwitz in 1943 ? Especially in light of the fact that the camps true purposes of the camp became known .
Yeah, like you care. We didn't go to war to free the Jews, although we should have. There were other targets considered of more military importance.

Precisely , I am quite concerned that what has not been made known is the fact that the holocaust was virtually a private capitalist concern .
I think that is well known.

And General motors as well as Coca Cola , US corporations set up shop in Switzerland protected by Allen Dulles .
Yup, and Bush's Grandfather, too. Fact is they fell in love with fascism.

Is it becasue Jewish groups wish to keep the rapidly diminishing of the historical importance of the Holocaust alive ?
How is the holocaust historically unimportant? It marked the beginning of the end of state-sanctioned racism, and genocide was ne'er looked upon with apathy again.

Leopold, you don't appear to have heard of the Geneva convention and the like. There are very decidedly rules in war, some written, some unwritten.
what are you saying ophiolite, that war is civil?

i suppose that you are talking about nuclear weapons.
america gave careful thought to the use of the bomb
she knew that it would forever change the playing feild concerning war, yet she used it anyway.

yes i am familiar with the geneva convention, and yes i do realize there are rules in war

Perhaps even American companies, such as IBM? I have heard that the Nazis used IBM punchcard machines to keep records at the camps.
i have read something similar in a book at the local library

And General motors as well as Coca Cola , US corporations set up shop in Switzerland protected by Allen Dulles .

can you provide some links so i can find out more about this?

That argument is used only against military and soldiers. Not civilians living in a non-military base city.
It is no excuse period for any atrocity commited .
And also, what did the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki do that was "following orders?" And even if they opposed, what good would that do?
Simple the reason and vindication America gave for the terror bombing of German cities which annihilated some 6 million German civilians was that seeing 99% of Germans gave approval to Hitler in a 1939 confidence vote , they were afterall collectively guilty by their support .

By this reasoning the US public which in the 1960s during the Vietnam war gave their votes to the Democarts which saw them into the Vietnam war and in 1968 voted Richard Nixon in and he carried the war on for 5 more years . This makes them whatever political shade collectively guilty by their own standard .
Remember, they were under an emperor, supreme ruler. It's like me if I were a native of North Korea and tried protesting for a democratic nation. And nuking them is not a solution.
I think thats an over simplification here , remember Japan and Germany initiated a war and at the start of the war whilst it was going good they were full of enthuasim , as the war bogged down they became less enthusiastic .The point is both nations meted out more than their fair share of death on their victims . The dropping of the atomic bomb was in my opinion a most barbaric and cowardly act .
Yeah, like you care. We didn't go to war to free the Jews, although we should have. There were other targets considered of more military importance.
Well you obviously dont care , especially for someone who claims to have relative who is a Holocaust survivor .
I think that is well known.
Is it ! could you show me where I can find a study on the role of German corporations and co-operation with the Nazi govt during the war .
It marked the beginning of the end of state-sanctioned racism, and genocide was ne'er looked upon with apathy again.
Then how do you explain the state-sanctioned racism of Zionist Israel , the Jewish state founded soley for Jews .
can you provide some links so i can find out more about this?
General Electric Co and the Nazis (http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/uen_nastybiz.html)
General Motors and the Nazis (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm)
Coca Cola's Nazi links (http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Nazi-Cola.htm)
IBM And Nazi Germany (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/27/print/main504730.shtml)
U.S. Corporations and the Nazis (http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn2.html)
Allen Dulles, the Nazis, and the CIA (http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html)

it's no wonder JFK wanted to destroy the military-industrial complex
it would not surprise me in the least if allen dulles was directly involved with his assassination.

it's no wonder JFK wanted to destroy the military-industrial complex
it would not surprise me in the least if allen dulles was directly involved with his assassination.
Eisenhowers farewell speech to the American nation was a warning about the military/industrial complex . JFK folowed and was assasinated for doing just that .
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military/industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)

thanks for your links brian, i bookmarked every one of them

Brian Foley,

Just out of curiosity, where do you live? One day I hope to turn on the news and see your nation at war and your city get bombed.

I'd just say: He had it coming. ;)

On the topic at hand, what about the children? Ones who have had no influence? And 99% is hardly 100%. Do you know why in todays wars, nations try to avoid bombing a nation crazily?

I do admit, there are civilian casualties, but why hasn't the US dropped a nuclear bomb and get it done with?

In war, people do not always think rationally or humanely. I'm am fully aware that you know this, yet you try to defend the point that the winner made every good option. I have yet to see a war where everything a nation does is right, have you?


[Renrue]

Well you obviously dont care , especially for someone who claims to have relative who is a Holocaust survivor .
I don't know how you can conclude that, I merely stated the truth, the US didn't go to war to save the Jews.

Is it ! could you show me where I can find a study on the role of German corporations and co-operation with the Nazi govt during the war .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben

Brian Foley,

Just out of curiosity, where do you live?
Brisbane Australia
On the topic at hand, what about the children? Ones who have had no influence? And 99% is hardly 100%. Do you know why in todays wars, nations try to avoid bombing a nation crazily?
I think you are misunderstanding me , I am not validating this theory , I am saying this is the reason and justification America used in reference to the bombing of German cities .
In war, people do not always think rationally or humanely. I'm am fully aware that you know this, yet you try to defend the point that the winner made every good option. I have yet to see a war where everything a nation does is right, have you?
I don’t defend it , Im am saying Japan doesn’t have much of a case in claiming monetary recompense for the atrocitiers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki , in light of the fact the Japanese have not compensated China nor Australia for atrocities committed on those nations .


I don't know how you can conclude that, I merely stated the truth, the US didn't go to war to save the Jews.
Agreed , the US /UK /Germany went to war for greed .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben
Your article is just the history of IG Farben , I wanted a source to a study on the entire German Corporate complex and the Nazi government .

Brian Foley,

LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responses_of_Germany_and_Japan_to_World_War_II_cri mes#China__.28_PRC.2F_People.27s_Republic_of_China _.29_.28_ROC_.2F_Republic_of_China.28Taiwan.29.29)
Japan responded by relinquishing compensation for factories and railroads in China's Manchuria region worth billions of dollars. Japanese ODA has provided $30 billion to China(PRC), it still continues. Other nations in Asia had also received ODA and other funds to aid building their country after their independence.So, need I say anything after posting?


[Renrue]

Leopold, you don't appear to have heard of the Geneva convention and the like. There are very decidedly rules in war, some written, some unwritten.
The Law of Survival is the superior law.
Other rules just come and go.

Simple the reason and vindication America gave for the terror bombing of German cities which annihilated some 6 million German civilians was that seeing 99% of Germans gave approval to Hitler in a 1939 confidence vote , they were afterall collectively guilty by their support .
What is your source for the statement that 6 million German civilians were killed by bombing?
Would you consider settling for a smaller number?

Your article is just the history of IG Farben , I wanted a source to a study on the entire German Corporate complex and the Nazi government .
IG Farben made chemicals and gasses used in the holocaust. Messerschmitt, Dornier, Heinkel, Henschel, Junkers, Focke-Wulf, and several other aircraft companies made planes for the Luftwaffe. Krupp, Mauser, and other armaments companies made weapons for the Army and Waffen-SS. There, simple as that. They. Were. Involved.
It's common knowledge.

What is your source for the statement that 6 million German civilians were killed by bombing?
Would you consider settling for a smaller number?
I used to accept 3.5 million German civilians and 3 million military , but when you added the VolkDeutsch of Austria , Sudeten , Poland etc the toll was 6 million civilians . How many of those died as a result of Allied bombing I will never know . So the total dead of 6 million Germans is a convenient number I used .
IG Farben made chemicals and gasses used in the holocaust. Messerschmitt, Dornier, Heinkel, Henschel, Junkers, Focke-Wulf, and several other aircraft companies made planes for the Luftwaffe. Krupp, Mauser, and other armaments companies made weapons for the Army and Waffen-SS. There, simple as that. They. Were. Involved.
It's common knowledge.
We know that what I am asking for is a complete file or book on corporate complicity in bringing Hitler to power and guiding German Ost policy . afterall this was a war of imperial conquest : The closest I can come is this
German Foreign policy 1918-1945 (http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/hist-archiv/dgw/index.php#1918)
Put on the defensive by the loss of the war and the ensuing peace treaties, German policy was first concerned with the prevention of multilateral trade agreements to which it was not a participant, e.g. a Danube Federation between Austria and eastern and south-eastern European states. German foreign policy activities in the Weimar Republic were directed in equal measure against the French "Pan-Europe Project", which was to preclude the possibility of German hegemony on the continent. One essential means of "quiet diplomacy" for the maintenance of large-area claims was the secret, liberal funding of German minorities in eastern and south-eastern Europe.

In 1925 a lobby organisation was formed, the German Group of the Central European Economic Conference, to promote the realisation of German large-area plans. Immediately after the world economic crisis of 1929/30 (and not only, as has been maintained by propaganda, after 1933 under Nazi rule) new plans for a now openly termed "German large-area economy". This aimed at the long-term subordination and control of large areas of eastern and central Europe through the conclusion of bilateral currency-free trade agreements. They proceeded on the basic assumption that German industrial products were to be traded for eastern and central European agricultural products and raw materials. The "new plan" of Minister for Economic Affairs Schacht in 1934 made such clearing agreements the decisive instrument of National Socialist foreign policy in preparation for World War II. Important segments of German import demand were re-routed from South America to eastern and south-eastern Europe, so that for war purposes a source of food and raw materials would be available that could not be blockaded. For the long-term implementation of an "organic division of labour" in the European large-area economy, strategists of the Central European Economic Conference under the leadership of IG Farben worked in cooperation with the German government during the nineteen-thirties for the restructuring of the eastern and south-eastern European economy. The goal of this effort was the extensive de-industrialisation of this area and the orientation of its agricultural production toward the demands of the German market. Beside the ransacking of important resources, this long-term goal continued to be pursued during World War II. Military hegemony over the economic "complementary area" was indispensible for the German war-waging capacity.
Cant argue their .

brian
i went to this link
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/27/print/main504730.shtml
IBM And Nazi Germany

and it had this to say:
We are a technology company, we are not historians," spokeswoman Carol Malkovich said, noting that, like hundreds of U.S. companies, IBM had started losing control of its business in Germany beginning with Hitler's rise to power in 1933.

this implies to me that IBM was not deliberatly helping nazi germany

i really don't know where to start
first of all is there such a thing as a "war crime"?
war is a nasty ugly business, there are no rules in war
i take that back, there is one rule in war and that is to win. all else be damned.

don't get me wrong, i am not taking the nazis side but where do these jews get off on sueing someone over something that happened during wartime?
isn't that like crying foul? everything is fair play in war.
how can anybody gripe about the tactics used by the other side?
if people do not like what war looks like then by god they should do everything in their power to prevent it
YOU SAID:
"where do these jews get off on sueing someone over something that happened during wartime?"

What kind of fucking nonsense is this? A violent contry rapes, murders, pillages, destroys babies, families, lives, by the multiple millions and you ask 'where do these jews get off sueing and you so slickly say you aren't taking the nazi's side? Who do you think you are flim-flamming??

You yourself said it, the rule is to win. Take the position that Germany instigated the war, made Jews suffer enormously and that the Germans lost. What's so terrible about making them pay? Germany is a rich nation, they can afford the bill. For you to asseert that war is war and that's it and expect us to believe that the historical reality of war makes it something akin to gravity as a an intrinsic reality in the laws of people, forget it. Evil bastards instigate and perpetuate wars, for all the economic reasons we can conceive and WWII was no different.

Sure the US has ulterior motives, so what? The econonimic elite in Germany was let off scot free after the war. The losers got their factories returned, the VWs continued to flow off the assembly line, the chemical companies making Zyklon B gas got their mixing tanks returned. Make them pay for their hour of terror until it pains them as a nation, so they will never forget, so their eyes will open and they will see their current government's ass kissing assistance to the US in the current War on Terror is just more of a watered down version of the third reich.

Europeans don't have the sense of freedom that we do in the US. They expect the arbitrary power of government. They are indoctrinated into the Hegelian 'all is the state and all is for the state' as the ultimate good. Unfortunately this Hegeleian concept is sickening our country to the extent that the average voter/citizen really believes that the country is wrapped up in our Government, which is supposed to protect the individual in the exercise of freedom, the exercise of fundamental rights. Instead the government has assumed just what rights are to be allowed and to what extent. Their arbitrary arrogance is sickening, and there is much more intensely much more of this to come.

Geistkiesel

this implies to me that IBM was not deliberatly helping nazi germany
They wernt outright helping the German war effort , but we know American and other Corporations like the French under German occupation actively tendered their manufactured goods to the German economy . What was happening was it was in most cases with the Euorpean branches of US corporations were trading with the Nazis . IBM has been accused by Jewish Groups of aiding the efficiency of the Holocaust by supplying calculating machines to the Nazis .

YOU SAID:
"where do these jews get off on sueing someone over something that happened during wartime?"
What kind of fucking nonsense is this? A violent contry rapes, murders, pillages, destroys babies, families, lives, by the multiple millions and you ask 'where do these jews get off sueing and you so slickly say you aren't taking the nazi's side? Who do you think you are flim-flamming??
You yourself said it, the rule is to win. Take the position that Germany instigated the war, made Jews suffer enormously and that the Germans lost. What's so terrible about making them pay?
Geistkiesel
and i meant it
you don't think germany paid for her crimes?
germany was the most technologically advanced country on the globe
she also had a world class military
if hitler hadn't fucked it up for them the germans was poised to be the next super power
but what happened? good ol hitler decided that his shit didn't stink and began a program to make everybody kiss his ass
the people of the world didn't like that too well and left nothing but a blast mark where germany used to be, she lost everything she had.

IBM has been accused by Jewish Groups of aiding the efficiency of the Holocaust by supplying calculating machines to the Nazis .
according to what i found out IBM was supplying germany with machines
or better yet had factories in germany that produced the machines
when hitler came to power the americans lost controll of the plants
the plants were owned by americans but was operated soley by germans

according to what i found out IBM was supplying germany with machines
or better yet had factories in germany that produced the machines
when hitler came to power the americans lost controll of the plants
the plants were owned by americans but was operated soley by germans
Remember Germany launched WW2 on September 1 1939 the US only entered into the war against Germany on December 11th 1941 . Until that date it was business as usual for US corporations , obviously after Dec 11 1941 , US manufacturing plant came under German control , not ownership , these palnts were still recognised as US property . As for the IBM case , I know they sold calculating machines to Germany up til Dec 1941 , to say they were aiding and abetting the Nazi holocaust I believe is a stretch .

The point is as the Dulles link clearly shows that after total war commenced on Dec 11th 1941 , US corporations moved to Switzerland and began planning for the post war world and had communications with German corporations .My concern is the behaviour of American , Anglo/ Franco and German corporations preceding the war and their conduct during the war . And why no accountability and criminal procedures were not proceeded against the corporate learship of same Siemens and Thyssens at Nuremburg .

Remember Germany launched WW2 on September 1 1939
actually it was the japanese when they invaded china in 1937 or 1938

first of all is there such a thing as a "war crime"?

"There are no war crimes, war is a crime." - Kurt Brecht

:m:

A violent contry rapes, murders, pillages, destroys babies, families, lives, by the multiple millions and you ask 'where do these jews get off sueing and you so slickly say you aren't taking the nazi's side? Who do you think you are flim-flamming?

From a historical perspective: it's bad to be a population dwelling amongst another population unless you manage to ingratiate yourself to the host population. Apparently, Jews didn't, not only in Germany but in most European nations. European philosophy/genetics and Jewish philosophy/genetics are incompatible. We should fix this issue one of these days, and the key to doing so is a strong Israel.

:m:

actually it was the japanese when they invaded china in 1937 or 1938
1931, and that was the Second Sino-Japanese War, not WW2, as it that was only in ONE theatre of war. A world war has multiple theatres in multiple continents, hence "world" war.

"There are no war crimes, war is a crime." - Kurt Brecht

:m:
this is how i feel about it too
if two countries are at war with one another then neither one has the right to go whining and crying about the tactics used by the other side