Tying up some loose ends

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Dapthar, Nov 21, 2003.

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  1. Dapthar Gone for Good. Registered Senior Member

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    I've decided to clear the air with those I currently have standing debates with (i.e. leave the current debates be), this includes, but is not limited to the following: (In alphabetical order, in case anyone is wondering)

    gendanken
    spookz
    Wraith
    Xev

    If any of the aforementioned people do not wish to discontinue the previous debates, then simply list what your points are, and I will address them in a post following this one. Otherwise, I will interpret silence as agreement that the debates that are standing will be abandoned. (Also, please try to be civil if you plan on replying.)

    Also, in case guthrie is wondering, I have not abandoned the "Education: Your Own, and that of Society" thread, it's just taking me a little while to get a reply together. It should be up sometime late next week.

    I also would be interested in hearing poster's responses to either of the 2 bright blue questions posed in my posts in the aforementioned thread. (You can't miss them if you just scroll quickly through the thread.)
     
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  3. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Sevi.

    I've come at you time again but the mods here have bad habits.

    Now!- the point of contention is you not agreeing with my take on suicide. You did the unthinkable and appealed to cryogenics to prove my point false for odd reasons.

    Stunk of hairsplitting.

    Called you on it

    Eenie mee mynie moe and you resorted to picking fights over trifles like how good my math skills were and what contributions I've made to the physics and math forums. Maybe it was my charisma clashing with yours but surely you're insane to think I'd accomodate my charm for any damn body but me.

    Don't know, but that's where we stand Daphy.
    What was your problem with I said in the "Hatred" thread, love?
     
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  5. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    Do you believe that the following statement is true?

    "... current formal education encourages minimal free thought, since such thought leads to rocking the boat."

    If so, why? If not, why not?

    I would agree with that statement. In todays market, education is a commodity. It is mass produced and dumbed down. The end goal isn't the ability to think for yourself. The end goal is a piece of paper that tells an employer that you know x about y. That you aren't goign to risk somethign in their company with an original idea.
    The place where original thought is bolstered is higher up the ladder. 2year and 4year degrees are a joke that any moron can get if they want. How?
    1)read this book and answer these questions on it. (the study guide with the correct answers is on the internet)
    2)do this progect with this group of 5 people that is basically a more 'grown up' version of let's pretend.
    3) pick subject x. write a 6 page paper on it. (or go to any of the web services that will write one for you.)

    Let's face it; I've known people that spend about 3 hours a week outside of class on classwork. They go to the classes they have to, get the notes from the web of some one they've suckered into doing it for them, and pass with flying colors. It doesn't take original thought. Hell, it doesn't take thought period.

    The only time those taboo words come up in the education process is where the numbers thin and those fewer and fewer people continue on. In the land of research grants, and doctorate thesises. That is about the level people start actually thinking.
    Before then, it is sit back and enjoy the ride.
     
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  7. outlandish smoki'n....... Registered Senior Member

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    we have no outstanding debates, hence no air to be cleared.
     
  8. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Hallellujahs and hail maries.


    This is why Daphy is so fantastically anal. A tetrapylotimst with a fancy college degree in his pocket. Oooh.Ahhh..

    The 1,2,3's of educational commercialization:
    I prefer nesting higher up the ladder, thank you very much.
     
  9. outlandish smoki'n....... Registered Senior Member

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    A tetrapylotimst

    ??
     
  10. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Wroid:
    Tetrapyloctomy: the art of splitting a hair four ways.

    What our little friend Daphtar here is good at, and best at not when he's trying to prove himself right but in trying to prove the other camp wrong.


    A tedious tetrapylotomist, optimist, oops-he-missed.

    See?


    Story starts here:
    http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28758
     
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  11. spookz Banned Banned

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    i need to be reminded about my particular "loose end"
    crapthar? anyone?

    thanks.

    ps: you could also rap a para a two about anything. i am sure i could take that up to a dozen or so pages
    thanks again

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  12. spookz Banned Banned

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    gendy



    Hey Gendy is it cold
    In your little corner of the world
    You could roll around the world
    And never find a warmer soul to know

    Oh I saw you by the wall
    Ten of your tin soldiers in a row
    With eyes that looked like ice on fire
    The human heart a captive in the snow

    Oh Gendy You will never know anything about my home
    I'll never know how good it feels to hold you
    Gendy I need you so
    Oh Gendy is the other side of any given line in time
    Counting ten tin soldiers in a row
    Oh no, Gendy you'll never know

    Do you ever dream of me
    Do you ever see the letters that I write
    When you look up through the wire
    Gendy do you count the stars at night

    And if there comes a time
    Guns and gates no longer hold you in
    And if you're free to make a choice
    Just look towards the west and find a friend
     
  13. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    This is Kujo's cheapest ploy by far- to paw from behind the cage door, squinting those sad puppy eyes to strike at the visitors heart when she's strolling through the kennel. He'll play his pathetic little games making him look so miserable and unwanted she'll thaw.

    She will then bring the 'poor puppy' home with his tail between his legs until he's finally at home and free to tear up her furniture and make her life fucking miserable for being a samaritan.

    A Kujo's a kujo's a kujo so stop playing puppy, brother.

    In short- fuck you and your 'poetry' spooky. I can read right through it.
     
  14. spookz Banned Banned

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    what the fuck is this garbage? frikkin hero worship? elevating sloth, petty politics and dogma onto a pedestal?

    At least two of the great decipherments of history--Egyptian hieroglyphics and Minoan "Linear B" script--were cracked by outside amateurs. Thomas Young, a brilliant English doctor and physicist, deciphered hieroglyphics on the famed Rosetta Stone in 1815. The Linear B script was deciphered only in 1952 by the determined amateur Michael Ventris, a British architect. Outsiders, in fact, have a decided advantage over those logically more qualified for the work, for they do not share the prejudices and misconceptions which may have taken deep root among scholars. (Prabha Bhardwaj)

    David H. Levy has had the good fortune to become famous in his own lifetime. Born in Montreal, Canada, in 1948, at age 12 he began observing the night sky with a small telescope in his backyard. Despite his great interest in the stars and comets, Levy majored in English at Acadia University in Nova Scotia and never took a course in astronomy.

    Henrietta Swan Leavitt was one of several women hired at the end of the 19th century by Edward C. Pickering, director of the Harvard College Observatory, to assist him in sorting and classifying thousands of photographic plates of the stars. Nicknamed "the computers" for their ability but paid initially as little as 25 cents an hour, several of these women eventually made a considerable mark in the world of astronomy, none more so than Leavitt, whose work led to an entirely new concept of the universe.

    Joseph Priestley was one of the most remarkable men of the 18th century, a widely read author of scientific and theological books, a supporter of the American and French revolutions, and a clergyman whose dissident ideas would serve as a foundation for Unitarianism. Born in 1733 near Leeds, England, Priestley was also one of the foremost scientific experimenters of his age. A quintessential amateur, he has been regarded by some professionals as a "dabbler." But if so, to what effect!

    Arthur C. Clarke is one of the most celebrated science-fiction writers in the world. But he himself says that by far the most important piece he ever wrote was a short technical article published in an obscure journal in October 1945. Clarke was then serving as an officer in the British Royal Air Force radar division

    Susan Hendrickson is a self-taught expert in a number of fields who has the unusual distinction of having a fossil dinosaur named after her -- in fact, the largest and most complete fossil skeleton of a Tyrannosaurus rex ever found.

    Felix d'Herelle was a self-taught French-Canadian bacteriologist who had difficulty working with establishment scientists. Yet he made one of the most significant breakthroughs in 20th-century biology, discovering and naming bacteriophages, the viruses that attack bacteria.(John Malone)

    Hedy Lamar most commonly remembered as the first actress to appear nude in a major feature film, discovered "frequency hopping" in the early 1940s. First used in antijamming technology during World War II, it later became integral to the development of cellphones.

    Laura Nickel and Landon Curt Noll, California high-schoolers, in 1978 discovered the 25th Mersenne prime - the largest prime number then known.

    Elliott Coues, an Army physician during the mid-1800s, wrote a pioneering study on the classification of North American birds.

    Marjorie Rice, a San Diego housewife and mother, worked out previously unknown geometric shapes and patterns after reading a Scientific American column in the mid-1970s. (james blair)
     
  15. spookz Banned Banned

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    gendy


    There you go and baby here am I
    Well you left me here so I could sit and cry
    Golly gee what have you done to me
    Well I guess it doesn't matter anymore

    Do you remember baby these last few months
    How we argued each and every night
    Oh baby how you drove me crazy
    But I guess it doesn't matter anymore

    There's no use in me a-crying
    I've done everything now I'm sick of trying
    I've thrown away my nights
    Wasted all my days over you

    Now you go your way baby and I'll go mine
    Now and forever till the end of time
    I'll find somebody new and baby
    We'll say we're through
    And you won't matter anymore

    You won't matter anymore


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  16. outlandish smoki'n....... Registered Senior Member

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    sounds familiar. From a song??
     
  17. spookz Banned Banned

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    sorry
    i am too distraught to reply
    :bugeye:

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  18. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Spookz:
    No. Just another case of a poster running through posts with the same hurried grace of diarrhea.

    Slow down and read closer:

    I think Mephura fucked it up by saying that it takes a research grant or doctorate thesis to spark thought but higher up the ladder is something else entirely.

    Its Einstein in his quiet patent office changing a whole universe.
    Its Schelling touching on evolution years before Darwin did it ~professionally~

    Its me doing my own thing despite the fucking credentials.

    "Origninal thought". As simple as Charles Goodyear perfecting dentures because tradition had folks accepting "fate" and Queen Elizabeth herself stuffing the gaps in her teeth with cloth. A "technical" nobody. The Leavetts, Levys, and Lamars- he's agreeing with you Spooky.

    Nope. Bait.
     
  19. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Now.........where Oh where did Dapthar go?

    I've got all the time in the world today and there's an empty chair I'd like to see filled by his tightass.

    You don't just go on inviting people to your tying-loose-ends party to just leave, Dapthar. Common courtesty.
     
  20. spookz Banned Banned

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    can i keep you company?

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  21. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Pause.


    Someone please type out what the hell happens after the play button is pushed. This low budget Gateway would blow up trying to dowlowd it.


    Anyway, enough of this bullshattish benchwarming.


    Where the hell are you Dapthar? I'm dying to get to the podiums. Bring it.
     
  22. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not saying it takes a research grant or doctorate thesis to spark though. The question wasn't about thought. It was about the nature of formal education. The answer pertains to that, and not to thought in general.

    I'm not saying that a higher education is required for creative thought. In fact, quite the opposite. It is no surprise that many of the innovative thinkers of our time aren't the products of the large universities.

    My point was that at lower levels, the college system isn't about teaching how to think for yourself. It's about teaching you what other people have already come up with. It's about learning their way of doing things. It isn't until the higher levels of education that creative thought becomes the emphasis.

    It has nothing to do with self schooled people. It has nothing to do with where or how this type of thought comes from outside the school system.

    It only makes sense that people not exposed to the structure of that system wouldn't abandon ideas not in line with the accepted, because they haven't been exposed to the accepted.
     
  23. Dapthar Gone for Good. Registered Senior Member

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    Studying for midterms is occupying my time right now. Expect a reply addressing the issues raised in this thread by Wednesday or Thursday this week. Until then, try not to post something that will warrant closure of the thread, otherwise I'll have to start yet another thread for my reply.
     
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