True Lies

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by S.A.M., Aug 24, 2008.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    There is a Hadith which says [according to the Prophet]

    '"He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."


    What is the morality of such a statement? Is is evil to lie to support good or bring about conciliation in people?
     
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  3. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    There are philosophical axioms in which the logic of a people are founded upon. When your axiom is purged by another, isn't it worth fighting for?

    Paradoxically; when a philosophy says "It's worth fighting for" and the other says "It isn't worth fighting for" this disagreement causes war. This is the disagreement of Pluralism and Monotheism.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, would you be honest and tell them you were a Jew if they came knocking at your door?
     
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  7. Gustav Banned Banned

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    damn foreigners
    the phrase is "little white lies"
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It is considered evil according to some religious beliefs while not considered evil to other religious beliefs.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm basing it off the movie. Spies and such like. :bugeye:
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That depends.

    At that moment am I fully aware that answering in the affirmative would see me promptly whisked away to a concentration camp where I'll be fuel for the ovens?

    Or, do I suspect they're simply taking a census?
     
  11. Gustav Banned Banned

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    sorry
    the hadith is way too broad and general in scope to determine its intended moral consequences
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    (Q):

    You've already stated you never lie, so the questions are not directed at you
     
  13. Gustav Banned Banned

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    damn foreigners

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  14. Gustav Banned Banned

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    a possible indirect admission of miscreancy

     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    It is just basic human nature.

    The easiest way to come to terms with this is to use the next statement as a guide:

    Do not lie for self gratification, it is acceptable\expected to avert disaster and harm to yourself and others.


    That is fairly universal. People behave in predictable ways, as do other living creatures. When left to their own devices humans do good deeds but of course there are some who need a little help. Taking into account mental defects which are a fact of life and do represent a segment of society.

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  16. Gustav Banned Banned

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    meaningless word salad
    utter garbage

    purging axioms eh?

    /beats cheski senseless
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, are you going to request to have me banned?

    :spank:

    Or, will you just continue to rant?

    :soapbox:

    How about this answer?

    :blbl:

    Ain't smilies wonderful?
     
  18. John99 Banned Banned

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    Where is the brain washing smilie?
     
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

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    lover's tiff?

    /jealous
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    And what is "good" then... the liar decides ?
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Atheists have no basis for morality so it may be a conundrum, subjectively deciding what is good or not. Muslims are all brainwashed at birth of course.
     
  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What does this have to do with atheism ?
    I am pointing out a problem in your quoted statement.
     
  23. John99 Banned Banned

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    majority of people are born good. it is only until amoral people get threir hooks into them. because some are born bad so they want comapny.
     

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