I expect faghat hempdaddy will be on his way out the door soon enough. I like that term, "troll slayer", troll killer, Porfiry The Troll Exterminator; sounds good :)

He is not interesting so far. Trolls are usually more interesting than that.

Hey Joeman! I heard you got banned:D Knew it couldnt be true!

Originally posted by *stRgrL*
Hey Joeman! I heard you got banned:D Knew it couldnt be true!

From who? There are a lot of rumors about me recently.

I haven't posted much lately because I awhile ago I got in trouble posting messages from work. Now I can only post during lunch break or when people aren't looking.

My computer at home has been on life support for awhile but totally died yesterday. I need to buy a new one.

( Joeman's computer 2000 - 2002, may it rest in piece :( )

( Joeman's computer 2000 - 2002, may it rest in piece

:D Funny.

It was some guy in the world politics forum. I forget his name but he said you got banned for talking so bad - and being prejudiced ( I think):D

There are a lot of rumors about me recently.

I'd heard you ran off to Mexico to excape arrest due to underage porn movies you'd been filming to pay off the huge drug debt you incurred while having an affair with your addicted mother.

Man, it's good to see things are okay.

I'd heard you ran off to Mexico to excape arrest due to underage porn movies you'd been filming to pay off the huge drug debt you incurred while having an affair with your addicted mother.

No way!:eek:

I heard the same thing:D Oh yeah, and that he beat his poor computer to death with a sledgehammer, due to an arguement here on Sciforums that he was losing:D

Did you hear the one about him kicking the dog because it wouldn't remind him what his password was?

Joe, kicking animals just ain't cool.

There was also the time when a benevolent donkey refused to cooperate and divulge for him his sexual identity due to the fact that the donkey (Jack Ass) owed money to the one and only Xeno D. Goldstein, an alien who could be found in seedy gas station restrooms giving blow jobs to wayward truck drivers and also delivering his patented air male gay-man-with-gay-horse porn via his own airplane. This was all too much for Joeman and his computer, who both still struggled needlessly to pay off their debts to the infamous Goldstein.

He hath been smote.

Hahahahehehehehe. :D

i heard joeman was trained by kovorkian to euphamise but jus couldnt bring himself to do it to joewoman so he turned on his own pride and joy. in a heat of desperation, joewoman , threw herself over the golden gate but survived and became a politically correct deep sea scuba diver

i heard it got out that he was just a big sweet teddy bear, and was too ashamed to show his face on the board thereafter.

hi pollux v :D

uhhh.....hi O_o

Welcome aboard, honorable O_o. I hear you're quite a family man.

What the hell is a troll?

Is he ACTUALLY banned?

Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

Originally posted by Bachus
What the hell is a troll?A Troll is someone who posts with the deliberate intent of provoking flameswars or heated discussion or, in the case of a destructive troll, an attempt to destroy the group.

Some people believe that trolling is always a Bad Thing. Bad trolling is definitely a bad thing but I have seen many intelligent and entertaining trolls over the years. Where trolling becomes bad is when it is done by someone who has no real interest in the group's topic, and is there purely to hurt or disrupt the normal flow of discussion. When it is done properly it can be compared to gently winding people up or stirring things for fun, as you would find people doing every night in your local pub.

A troll feeds on responses, taking any serious attempts at debate and turning them round to feed the fire, or by making insulting and derogatory comments that add nothing to a discussion. When it becomes clear that one of these is at work, the correct response is to post a short message exposing them as such and thereafter, ignore the thread. Trolls post purely to get a reaction - think 'attention seeking behavior' - and so the only way to defeat a Troll is to ignore it. Forget what anybody tells you about engaging them in order to defeat them. There is no evidence of any kind to suggest that feeding a Troll will make it go away. - abundant evidence (and common sense) say that they go away when they get no responses. Therefore, the cardinal rule is:

                  &#160 http://www.xecu.net/goofyfish/__public/trollsign02.gif

Peace.

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Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

Originally posted by Deena
Is he ACTUALLY banned? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.Why is it ridiculous to remove someone who has nothing to contribute
other than disruptions? I am very interested in hearing your point-of-view.

Peace.

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Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

Perhaps I should get some of the latter details on this guy, and why he needed to be banned.

His name was faghat hempdaddy. Faghat, as in faggot. The same way he used ghey as gay, meaning homosexual, when he asked to what extent Pollux V was a homosexual (he made this the topic of a new thread).

His status (under his user name, where I have Lonely guy) was "pig fucker" That in itself should be enough evidence.

Hempdaddy? Hemp as in weed? Or hemp as in pimpdaddy?

Had we let this guy go, he would have just turned into another Mallory Knox - causing more damage due to our delay. His intentions were clear.

Wow mods explaining why someone was banned. Never seen that before :)

Sweet Jesus, heaven above forbid that anyone use terms that others may find offensive. Don't get me wrong, I don't support bigotry or predjudice, or any of that evil crap. But there are regulars on this board who say ugly, offensive, vulgar things on a regular basis, and nothing is done.

Okay, okay, Pig Fucker might be a little over the top. Maybe he's married to a cop?

You guys are funny :D. Sorry I am really busy lately

Originally posted by Walker
...heaven above forbid that anyone use terms that others may find offensive... there are regulars on this board who say ugly, offensive, vulgar things on a regular basis, and nothing is done.
The true point is the disruption, not the manner in which it was caused. Faghat had no desire to contribute to discussions; he/she only wanted to tear them down for personal amusement. On some boards that behavior is tolerated, and anyone who likes it is free to find one of them. Our "community" has decided that it is unacceptable behavior.

Dave laid it out in The Agreement when we all joined SciForums: “Your membership at sciforums.com may be revoked without prior warning for any reason.”

Peace.

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Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

“Your membership at sciforums.com may be revoked without prior warning for any reason.”

We're not debating their power. We're debating whether or not it was just. So don't make veiled threats alluding to a fascist system that no one really wants to support.

It seems to be sciforums way to over-react. Well, let me try again, to over-react in conjunction with gross misinterpretation.

Faghat was prefectly friendly. He initiated a thread that recieved MANY posts. He began joking with others and made self-depricating statements. He DID contribute to the forum and by posting a thread, I can only imagine he wanted to. It may have appealed to the cruder aspects of sciforums character but it's clear that that side is celebrated fairly often. The sexual/obscene jokes are rampant.

Ghey? It's a joke. Clearly. It's nothing. It's poking fun. It's amusing. It's not even a word. And it's totally empty of any real sentiment. I don't have any idea why one would think this was an actual character judgement. Pollux didn't understand this. Give a stupid reponse (or at least, as in this case, a misguided one) get another back, which in turns recieves another, which of course, then recieves another. Why would you then attack the final stupid sentiment on a WHOLE TRAIN of stupid sentiments? I maintain, and yes I don't KNOW, that his intentions were noble and that he genuinely thought he WAS being a part of the group by entering into friendly banter.

Are you also saying that him making a second thread to pull together the argument that was currently taking place on several threads makes him a troll? What is this post? Could it not have been done on any other? Or perhaps you wanted to make a statment, something with an "intent of provoking flameswars or heated discussion"?

I don't say this because I believe you as guilty as him but that neither of you are. It's not a sin (sin in the loosest manner, merely what isn't good character). And it's fun. The Pollux-faghat issue was so ridiculous it was funny. Did Pollux himself not make a joke on the thread dedicated to him? Is that not an abandonment of his previous thoughts and proof that he was then enjoying it? Is that not group behavior? Moreso, is that not FRIENDLY group behaviour?

No one involved was taking this as seriously as those trying to maintain some pedantic sense of honor.

He was given 0 time to prove himself nor for you to get any real idea of his personality or intentions. I won't even touch the fact that you banned him on his name. Faghat hempdaddy isn't offensive in the least and "pig fucker" is mild shock-value at the most.

If we'd quit trying to maintain some lofty intellectual society things like this wouldn't be an issue. You can be intelligent and good without always staying on topic (digression may actually be a SIGN of intelligence). You can be intelligent and good and make OFFENSIVE jokes. Quit being pretentious and learn to be friendly. Banning was a serious response to something silly.

I dunno who he is but he doesn't look like he is new to this forum. He might just be a sockpuppet of someone. But then if he is not new, he would know there are better people to pick on than pollux v.

Originally posted by Deena
We're not debating their power. So don't make veiled threats alluding to a fascist system that no one really wants to support.Actually, we are not debating at all. And as for veiled threats, you are either way off base, or have a rather large chip on your shoulder. I merely pointed out that the owner of the forum can do whatever he chooses, and exercised that authority in this case. Fascist? Please. If this forum does not suit you, please feel free to investigate Yahoo!
If we'd quit trying to maintain some lofty intellectual society things like this wouldn't be an issue.Perhaps the majority of active users desires an intellectual society.
Quit being pretentious…I don’t think this is the word you really wanted to use here, as no one is claiming superiority over another. There is merely a bottom line to the expected standard, Porfiry obviously felt that FH crossed.
…and learn to be friendly.This is one of the friendliest forums I haunt. Others are downright brutal. We welcome newbies warmly. Perhaps when you’ve been here longer, your opinion will change.

As for everything in the middle of your post - I was going to try and sort it out, but I looked at the depth of your postings in the last thirty days and decided not to bother. It lacks clarity or cohesiveness and rambles on far to long to maintain my interest. As does this thread. But thanks for sharing, and I look forward to talking with you soon in a different topic.

Peace.

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Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

If it smells like a pig, looks like a pig and squeels like a pig, must be a pig.

Many forums do not take the time to talk to their members about what is going on and why. If you don't like it, their attitude is go elsewhere. In this, this forum is unique. (Actually, in many ways, this forum is unique.) It stands heads above any other forum I have visited for its friendlyness, ability to actually have the administration hear your voice, and generally informative topics that people will go into without flame wars erupting at every turn. If you have not done so, try a taste of the other offerings. I do not say this to get you to leave, only to have you experience what truely juvenile attitudes pass for forums these days.

Many times I have have taken the time through pm to talk to members so that they understood why there was a problem, why a thread was closed, deleted, or edited. There are rules everywhere you go. To stay anywhere, you must live by them, whatever they are. In the interest of keeping members and having them feel that the treatment was fair to all is the reason. There is no requirement that such be done and most places will not give you the time of day when it comes to this. When a decision has been made, it will stay. If reason is needed, it will be given. In this, again, the site is unusal.

There are responcibilities to be met for the good of all and rules to follow here, just as there are rules in your own household. To ignore them results in chaos for everyone and no one benefits from that.

I think it's sad that so many of Deena's most obvious and pertinant points were so completely and overtly ignored. One of the most important, it seems to me, is that Faghat was, in fact, contributing to the community. He was joking with other members. People posted on his threads, and most of them seemed to be enjoying it. This, to me, seems like a large part (if not the main part) of the purpose of having a "community" in the first place.

Also, was Faghat warned? Was he made aware that his actions were "intolerable"? True, the rules stipulate that warning isn't manditory, or even obligitory. But it seems completely ridiculous to off and ban someone who clearly hasn't had time to develop a sense of how said "community" works. Particularly considering the fact that there were people enjoying his threads, that he was, in fact contributing to this community. And I have yet to see how his behavior was "disruptive". Everyone's relationships here on the board were reletively unaffected, except by the decision to ban a newbie for creating threads and making posts that people were responding to and enjoying.

Also, you have clearly elected to ignore the argument over whether or not because you have the authority to do a thing, you are justified in doing it. Yes, the mods can ban whomever they see fit. Yes, they could ban me now, just for expressing my opinions (which would by no means be out of character). But the fact that they feel the need, particularly in this case, when someone who was contributing to the community was removed, just for, as near as I can tell, not living up to the pseudointellectual/elitist manner of expression and choice of language/content you guys are clearly trying to uphold, just indicates snobbery.

Another point. The forum Faghat posted on was "Free Thoughts". his thoughts seemed cohesive enough to me. What does it take to legitimize a thought enough to make it worth posting? And how is it that I can already tell, even though that question was rhetorical, that someone is going to post some kind of half-assed attemt to make their standard of thinking (or at least posting) loftier and more righteous than just for discussion and entertainment? Honestly, I can't wait.

okay, let me see if i have the details right,

this kid got in a flame-on with another kid
kid 1 gets banned, kid 2 dosent?
why not kid 2? O_o

this discussion seems to mention flaming someone quit often and how negative it is to a community. I guess my question is,whats the diffence between a long winded multi-paragraph flame and a single line "you a dumby head" flame?
O_o

finally Goofyfish, why do you care? what did this guy do to you to make you lash out at everyone else on this thread?

and why arent you banned?

p.s. j/k bout that last part =D





:D :D

Walker,

There are no issues with just because you disagree. I don't think anyone has been banned because of a simple disagreement, the forums must have disagreement to survive.

I do notice that you are a "bit touchy" when it comes to your lady and what you percieve is not whole agreement with what ever stance happens to be at the moment. However, no one is attacking either of you. So what is your beef?

It is not that homosexuality is the issue. We have others here who are self admittedly to be so. They are still members in good standing and are welcome anytime they wish to post. There is no stigma for that.

The problem comes in when when you start combining factors. Ie. the member status, which was refered to in Deena's post. The offending level, which several members of long standing have already made mention to and the status of "troll".

Trolls do not reside here long. Trolls only increase the level of hostilities for all around. There is no need to warn someone who is trolling. If they cared they would not be trolling. They choose their method of communicating and as such will suffer the result.

My "beef" would be that it all seems fairly unjustified. Faghat didn't really do anything except choose terminology that the mods didn't like, and I hate the idea that this might happen to more people than we are aware of.

It seems to me that some people are frowned upon (and in this case banned) because of their post content. Frankly, I've seen some horrible, vulgar shit come out of the "mouths" of some SciForums regulars that simply wouldn't be tolerated coming from newbies, or people who didn't happen to be in good favor with the mods for some reason. This seems not only unfair, but downright hypocritical. Should new people, or people like myself that not everyone here consistently agrees with, have to censor their speech for fear of being banned? Particularly while some others are allowed to run rampant with base and often pointedly offensive comments?

I don't mean to imply that the mods are jerks. But they do, in my opinion, act like them on occasion. All of this is clear-cut big-headedness on the part of people who want to control the way people choose to express themselves on the board. If someone is actually doing something disruptive or harmful, that's one thing...but I still haven't seen any evidence that this is the situation with Faghat Hempdaddy. Therein lies my beef...the whole "cut down anyone who isn't like us, even if they aren't doing anything wrong" mentality.

I am a "bit touchy" when dodgy posters try to avoid issues and flame (yes flame) people with oppoing views. Yeah, okay. Disagree with whoever you want. Call them a name or insult their intelligence. But please, don't try to work around the actual thoughts and issues in thier posts.

hey, id defend my girl too, if some fool was being a jerk to her
{salute} Walker

{single-finger salute} Goofyfish

:::disclaimer:::
plz dont ban me, plz dont ban me, ill be good and contribute and not make fun of too many people, plz, plz, plz, for the love of god, ill be good....um yeah :D

My "beef" would be that it all seems fairly unjustified.

Only "fairly" unjustified?

The user in question made 30 posts, none of which had any reasonable content. I received numerous complaints privately, and this complaint thread was spawned. My own assessment, having moderated web communities for the past 4 years, was that this was a troll.

What further justification do I need?


Frankly, I've seen some horrible, vulgar shit come out of the "mouths" of some SciForums regulars that simply wouldn't be tolerated coming from newbies, or people who didn't happen to be in good favor with the mods for some reason.

If this bothers you, why have you never complained?


I don't mean to imply that the mods are jerks. But they do, in my opinion, act like them on occasion.

You mean that I am a jerk. I am the only one with the authority to ban users. In all other cases, the moderators are acting with my approval, grace, and gratitude. Don't try to dull the poignancy of your insult by spreading it around.


All of this is clear-cut big-headedness on the part of people who want to control the way people choose to express themselves on the board.

And this statement is clear-cut chest beating by someone who thinks hyperbole is somehow persuasive. The single criterion required for membership here on sciforums is to not be an asshole. Assholes fragment the community and discouraging interaction, having a far greater impact on the community's expression. Yes, this does impose a certain exclusivity on the community, but it is absolutely essential.

Just for the record, I don't think I asked anyone for him to be banned. I think i replied to one post, then stopped posting in topics relating to him entirely. So I didn't misunderstand, I just didn't want this thing to explode again, and I believe that we should give faghat, or 0_o, another chance. It's just my opinion, but he clearly didn't understand the rules and may not have been warned prior to his....dissolution.


he would know there are better people to pick on than pollux v

lol yeah!! Damn straight!

Originally posted by O_o
finally Goofyfish, why do you care? what did this guy do to you to make you lash out at everyone else on this thread?You’ll have to point out where I “lashed out” at anyone.

{single-finger salute} GoofyfishFor discussing why someone was banned? Very lame response, but certainly on the same intellectual level as the rest of your posts.

Peace.

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Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

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Actually, we are not debating at all. And as for veiled threats, you are either way off base, or have a rather large chip on your shoulder. I merely pointed out that the owner of the forum can do whatever he chooses, and exercised that authority in this case. Fascist? Please. If this forum does not suit you, please feel free to investigate Yahoo!
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I don’t think this is the word you really wanted to use here, as no one is claiming superiority over another. There is merely a bottom line to the expected standard, Porfiry obviously felt that FH crossed.
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This is one of the friendliest forums I haunt. Others are downright brutal. We welcome newbies warmly. Perhaps when you’ve been here longer, your opinion will change.



sorry man, if you dont see this as aggresive then there is no hope for ya, but it kinda looks like your lashing out here ^

she had valid points that i think you kinda evaded, and know this is just a post but isnt it a little condescending?

::quote::
For discussing why someone was banned? Very lame response, but certainly on the same intellectual level as the rest of your posts

^ this dosent look too polite either

:::quote:::

Just for the record, I don't think I asked anyone for him to be banned. I think i replied to one post, then stopped posting in topics relating to him entirely. So I didn't misunderstand, I just didn't want this thing to explode again, and I believe that we should give faghat, or 0_o, another chance. It's just my opinion, but he clearly didn't understand the rules and may not have been warned prior to his....dissolution.


sorry, my questions may have seemed accusational (<--is that a word?) but my intentions were genuine. I guess i was attempting to shed a little light on a issue that plagues most boards....senority. I appologize Pollux my question wasnt an attack on you, just an unjust institution

{salute} Pollux V

p.s about the faghat stuff......shhhh!!! :D

You appear rather clueless, and I doubt my ability to help you understand.
When you give someone the finger, why would you expect polite responses?

ohh, i see, deena gave you the finger?!

As I said, you don't get it. And this thread has become a waste of bandwidth. If you'd care to discuss something of substance in another area, I look forward it. I'm done in this one.

Peace.

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Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

soooo, she didnt give you the finger? :confused:

i can totally understand being defensive to what i said, my opinion, your opinion. but why did you attack all the others on this board? ah whatever, have fun, hope that bug dies

im ghey

huh?:bugeye:

I guess i was attempting to shed a little light on a issue that plagues most boards....senority.

Probably, Walker and I am the only ones that mentioned anything about members of long standing. My point, was that members who have been here longer deserve more attention as they are truely the body of Sciforums. At the same time, there is very little of "You've only X amount of posts" and try to blow your stance off with that."

If seniority plagues these boards, it is far less than that of others. If this bothers you, it is easily rectified. Stay around. In that way you become a senior member. Post what is informative and intriguing and other members will think better of you. That's pretty simple. As Porfiry states, "The sole requirement is to refrain from being an arse." None of this is extremely difficult.

Golly. This thread is a beast.

Porfiry: For the record, my post explicitly said that I wasn't calling anyone a jerk. It states that I disagree with the action/behavior, not the people. Or, as it turns out, person.

I am the only one with the authority to ban users. In all other cases, the moderators are acting with my approval, grace, and gratitude. Don't try to dull the poignancy of your insult by spreading it around.

Many boards that I have frequented in the past have divided powers of administration differently, and these groups have usually acted together (in such instances as opting to ban a member). First and foremost, as I just said, I'm not name-calling or issuing personal insults, I just think the decision to ban was "jerky". This is just one man's opinion, and the board has had the good grace to allow me to express it. Secondly, I didn't realize that my issue was with a decision made by you alone. If I disagree with one person, I'll let them know; it is, after all a discussion forum. So here it is: I disagree with the way this was handled. That said, I've done my part. Nobody's obligated to listen to me, or even continue to let me post, but that's my contribution. I apologize to the mods at large for lumping them into my disagreement with Porfiry.

And I totally agree with the fact that people who are only on a board to "disrupt the community" and sour the pot deserve to be banned. My disagreement was with the decision to rush to the judgement that Faghat was such a person, and to not give them a chance before showing them the door.

And those are my opinions. I'm not here to disrupt anything, (and I think everyone knows that, since they've been fairly civil in discussing this with me). I've said what I wanted to say, and if anybody wants to discuss further, I'm fine with that. But for the time being, I'm done eating up the bandwidth.

I'm gonna go find a nice, clean joke thread.

Please note that O_o posted that message as "goefyfish". Imping other users is intolerable and so I have temporarily restricted O_o's access.



My disagreement was with the decision to rush to the judgement that Faghat was such a person, and to not give them a chance before showing them the door.

30 posts is enough of a chance.

why for you think it me?

<~~ look, im all gimped now with my one eye and temporary restirction, suck didldy ucks

O_o
Are you suggesting that you didn't post the goefyfish remark?

I would suggest that you abide by Porfiry's decision. Further continuance will result in a total ban should you continue.

As much as the rest, I feel this thread has reached its end and has little redeeming value left.

why for you think it me?

Your IP addresses were identical.

Personally, I have to agree with the dicision to ban Faghet, he/she seemed to know what they were doing. Sort of like Organised Chaos.

I know some of my posts/threads aren't excellent, I do hope I have added a little something into the sciforums community and give people something to talk about be it good or bad (ie Sex With Thor thread :eek: )

You people should know that you shouldn't mess with the mods and the supreme warlord. I try my damnest not to get in their bad books.

But for some reason, they like picking on me :bugeye:

From this moment on, I'm gonna post some serious stuff but try to keep some of my attutude in them too.

But do expect confused posts in Computer Science coming your way soon :rolleyes:

Thank You for your time

Thor