A bill passed by Bush recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq8QvR6N4_o

Opinions? Comments?

Is this a serious change in the democratic ideal?

Changes happen - It just proves that history repeats itself.

Did this pass the nation with a yawn!? I don't get it, are people allowing this to happen? Someone explain this to me!

Did this pass the nation with a yawn!? I don't get it, are people allowing this to happen? Someone explain this to me!


It appears that the nation weren't given a choice here - I don't understand it either.

It appears that the nation weren't given a choice here - I don't understand it either.

Seriously, I'm in a dumbfounded state now. What?! I wasn't there to see this happen, who votes on this? Congress (republican ruled) or money ruled same thing. Who signed it? A tyrant. I'm shocked, I want to hear other people's responses on this forum. I really do.

I HOPE THIS IS SOME NEOCOMMIE IN THAT VIDEO, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE STOOPED DOWN TO THIS LEVEL!

Heh..glad I'm not...aw man....

Businesswiz

A bill passed by Bush recently.

I didn't know that Pres. Bush was a dictator, and the bill passed in open session, and was voted into law by both Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, all rules of procedure were followed, so who passed the bill? the people you elected to the Senate, and House, and the Presidency, that's who passed the bill, all in legal fashion, in open session, duly voted, and signed as our founding father's intended.

Businesswiz



I didn't know that Pres. Bush was a dictator, and the bill passed in open session, and was voted into law by both Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, all rules of procedure were followed, so who passed the bill? the people you elected to the Senate, and House, and the Presidency, that's who passed the bill, all in legal fashion, in open session, duly voted, and signed as our founding father's intended.

Please watch the video and explain to me the ramifications of his bill or law, maybe Obermann put unneeded hype behind it. Explain it to me.

And you can't deny the fact that Florida was rigged. Diebold the company that makes these machines has ties to Bush. Bush would've lost. The majority was for Kerry. No one elected Bush except money.

As long as the torture victim isn't a white American Christian conservative it's open season.

As long as the torture victim isn't a white American Christian conservative it's open season.

It shocked me because they people in the above video said that any one who associates the president with the terrorism will be considered a terrorist. Please tell me that isn't TRUE. I don't want to live in a country which allows this!

It is hype, but I will also tell you that in combat, when information is needed it will be obtained. The techniques that are being used are used in the survival schools to try and teach us to resist questioning, but the fact is that the enemies we face are a lot less worried about our welfare, and the integrity of our bodies than we are of their's, from the thing's that I have seen, in the recovery of troops captured in action, and the talks that I have had with POW's, and the documentation that I have seen of what our captured people have gone through, those guy's have a day in the park in comparison to what they do to our people, one of there favorite thing is to cut your dick and testicles off stuff them in your mouth, and sew your mouth shut, and no you are not dead when this happens to you, they gouge your eye's out, dislocate your shoulders, slowly cut you to ribbons, and then the eventually cut your head of with a knife, not a sword, but a butcher knife, so it takes several swipes before the job is done, and then they put your face in your ass

It is hype, but I will also tell you that in combat, when information is needed it will be obtained. The techniques that are being used are used in the survival schools to try and teach us to resist questioning, but the fact is that the enemies we face are a lot less worried about our welfare, and the integrity of our bodies than we are of their's, from the thing's that I have seen, in the recovery of troops captured in action, and the talks that I have had with POW's, and the documentation that I have seen of what our captured people have gone through, those guy's have a day in the park in comparison to what they do to our people, one of there favorite thing is to cut your dick and testicles off stuff them in your mouth, and sew your mouth shut, and no you are not dead when this happens to you, they gouge your eye's out, dislocate your shoulders, slowly cut you to ribbons, and then the eventually cut your head of with a knife, not a sword, but a butcher knife, so it takes several swipes before the job is done, and then they put your face in your ass

The imagery is excessive. I have seen this process btw, I watched it online, it gives a new meaning to life. But the fact is you haven't answered my questions with backup data.

It shocked me because they people in the above video said that any one who associates the president with the terrorism will be considered a terrorist. Please tell me that isn't TRUE. I don't want to live in a country which allows this!It's true, it's just not on the books yet, but they are working on it.

It's true, just not on the books yet, but they are working on it.


Is there an article you can show me? Something?

What can we do to stop this?!

Because he is essentially, going to be able to lock up Alex Jones and like 1000s of other people. He is erasing his tracks for what he did on 911, do you see what he is doing?

Businesswiz, do you see what your doing? explain the building's on the west side of the WTC Plaza, the 90 West Building, and the Bankers Trust, they were demolished just like 7 WTC, no conspiracy, no black ops, just collateral damage from a horrific attack that thank GOD didn't accomplish all the deaths that were intended.

Is there an article you can show me? Something?

What can we do to stop this?!

Because he is essentially, going to be able to lock up Alex Jones and like 1000s of other people. He is erasing his tracks for what he did on 911, do you see what he is doing?The Patriot Act is specifically designed to undermine civil liberties under the guise of "Perteckshun frum turrurists." It's a first step, that we know of, that the neoconmen are using to build their single party police state. What goes on in the corrupted halls and corners of our government is unknown, but expect more fear-mongering, war and lies from them, whether Repubs or Dems. They have their eyes on the prize: Power and Money.

The Patriot Act is specifically designed to undermine civil liberties under the guise of "Perteckshun frum turrurists." It's a first step, that we know of, that the neoconmen are using to build their single party police state. What goes on in the corrupted halls and corners of our government is unknown, but expect more fear-mongering, war and lies from them, whether Repubs or Dems. They have their eyes on the prize: Power and Money.

We are straying from the subject of discussion (this Bill this law or whatever). What is it really saying? What will happen?

A newer video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5hhI-7R6gU

Buffalo Roam, if your enemy acts like a cunt to you, does that make it OK to act like a cunt to your enemies? Can you show cruelty and still proclaim that you are the good guys?

G. F. Schleebenhorst, That depend on your definition of cunt, these are not criminals who want to seal your money, property, and occasionally your life, these are people who want to steal your way of life, and to do so they start out willing to kill you then if you survive their war make you pay for the privilege of living in their world. I'll let you in on a secret, In Combat, War, really going out to change someone way of doing things, like stopping them from destroying your country, and way of life, IT IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE, who still remembers they are fighting for a good cause is the one who will win. This is not a street brawl, kids fighting on a school yard, these are people, who are using the lives of the poor of their countries, to bring about their Idea of what they believe the world should be, a closed truncated society were they are the absolute rulers, and arbiters of your life

these are people, who are using the lives of the poor of their countries, to bring about their Idea of what they believe the world should be, a closed truncated society were they are the absolute rulers, and arbiters of your life

You are now talking about the US I presume.

spuriousmonkey, you are dense aren't you?

stopping them from destroying your country, and way of life

Oh, you mean like starving someone out for ten years because they won't give you back the WMDs you sold them, then invading their country for dubious reasons, killing hundreds of thousands of their civilians and then completely destroying their civilian infrastructure to the point where they're lucky to get an hour of electricity and running water a day?

these are people, who are using the lives of the poor of their countries,

In general most people in the US join the army because it is a last resort. The only way to get an education. They only way to make a living. Having a professional army in a society that is split on a socioeconomic level and targetting a specific socioeconomic group (for instance, recruitment offices in poor neighbourhoods) shows a government which is using the lives of this specific socioeconomic group: the poor, the uneducated of the american society.

to bring about their Idea of what they believe the world should be

The us government insists in their rethoric on spreading democracy and freedom to the world, even if the people do not want it.


, a closed truncated society were they are the absolute rulers, and arbiters of your life
Bush can decide whether you are a enemy combatant, can decide whether you can be tortured, people can be monitored without reason, bush who can win an election without winning it. A small group of people deciding all in their own interest.

I clearly have shown now that could indeed have been speaking about the USA.

Yeah, US teens go into the army because they'll "pay you through college" and "you get to see the world".

They never mention that you could get shot at. I bet they all think differently when they do.

G. F. Schleebenhorst, it seem to me in looking at the news and I mean all the news that it is the terrorist who are doing the damage to the infrastructure, 4 years after the war started who are the people blowing up the oil pipe lines? who are the people attacking the power plants?, the power grid?, the police stations?, Terrorist that aren't even Iraqi? Militias that have more allegiance to their Cleric's, than the central government? and who are trying to grab power for their own enrichment, and power, and do what is in their own interest, this is the same thing that Saddam did, he grabbed power for his tribe, and terrorized the rest of the country to stay in power. Give me your solution to the terrorist problem? and the war? give us the solution to the problem of the war that terrorist declared in the 70ty's and have prosecuted ever since, tell me how to change the things that you say are wrong with out having peace first?, and having the chance to do what is needed, every time we try to improve things in Iraq, who blows up the progress, us? are we trying to give water and power to the people of Iraq? and who is trying to stop this from happening? yes give us some answers, that are practical and doable!

spuriousmonkey, cite your proof, you seem to have the ability to read minds, you know everybody's thought on why they join the Military, are you clairvoyant?, There are a lot of reasons that people join, and one of the benefits is that you can get your education paid for, even if you don't join you would still need to get a job to pay for your education, or do you expect your parents to support you all of your life.

Hi buffalo,

Thank you for your comments
you are perhaps right here to an extent buffalo, in the fact that the insurgents are hindering the reconstruction efforts or providng the apparent excuse to leave the country in a shambles..

However the infastructural damage was done during the US bombardment of Iraq in 2003

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take care
Zak

G. F. Schleebenhorst, it seem to me in looking at the news and I mean all the news that it is the terrorist who are doing the damage to the infrastructure, 4 years after the war started who are the people blowing up the oil pipe lines? who are the people attacking the power plants?, the power grid?, the police stations?

Who destroyed them in the first place?


and who are trying to grab power for their own enrichment, and power, and do what is in their own interest,

The US?


this is the same thing that Saddam did, he grabbed power for his tribe, and terrorized the rest of the country to stay in power. Give me your solution to the terrorist problem?

Don't fuck around in other people's business in their own countries for the last 20 years?

and the war? give us the solution to the problem of the war that terrorist declared in the 70ty's and have prosecuted ever since, tell me how to change the things that you say are wrong with out having peace first?, and having the chance to do what is needed, every time we try to improve things in Iraq, who blows up the progress, us?



are we trying to give water and power to the people of Iraq? and who is trying to stop this from happening? yes give us some answers, that are practical and doable!

No, you aren't really trying. In 3 years, before any of this "terrorist" crap you're now blaming, you still hadn't restored sufficient power or sanitation even to the capital city.

I am not the president of your country. There is no point in asking me....why don't you ask your president?

In general most people in the US join the army because it is a last resort. The only way to get an education. They only way to make a living.
I know we're off topic here, but that is total crap. You don't need to join the army to pay for college. Anyone can get student loans and even grants. I worked my way thru college and didn't even take out any loans for undergrad by simply working jobs like 7-11 or whatever, often more than one job. When pursuing my doctorate I did take out loans and had no trouble getting them.

And it's also absurd to imply that a person can't get any job but the military. We have practically no unemployment in the US. The level of unemployment we do have is below that which, traditionally, is considered "full employment" because you always have some people in between jobs.

Most people I know who joined the army joined it because it seemed like a pretty good deal and it seemed "cool". They wanted to prove their manhood, or whatever.

All this left wing griping about an all volunteer military is just sour grapes because you can't whip up gangs of angry college kids against the war without a draft. We now see that all the so-called idealism among the sixties anti-war protestors was really just cowardice and self interest among young men who didn't want to go to war. Take away the draft, and suddenly college students couldn't care less about war.

I wonder how different the sixties would have been without the draft? Hell, we would probably have won the Vietnam war. The counter-culture might never have evolved without the impetus of a bunch of guys afraid of being sent into combat.

You haven't given any solutions and again you are blaming the people who are trying to rebuild the place, and please provide proof of what you claim, The stories that I get from people who have been there don't match your claims, Terrorist, if not terrorist tell me who is blowing up and destroying the infrastructure now? If they stop would the power and the sanitation be restored? do we have people trying to restore the infrastructure in Iraq right now today? if we leave today, will the infrastructure be magically rebuild tomorrow? Give us some answers that are practical, not just your bitching to the wind, and we have been trying to rebuild the infrastructure since the day that we reached and secured Baghdad, do I have to bury you in site proof of project that are taking place to rebuild the country of Iraq? I can do it and you know that I can.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-07-counter-recruiters_x.htm

Since the advent of the all-volunteer military three decades ago, the armed services have used an array of tools, from recruiting in schools to TV advertising, to successfully sell careers in the military. But with ground troops in Iraq still under fire, the Army and Marines are struggling to get enough enlistments.

The armed services need many recruits each year — the Army and Army Reserve alone need more than 100,000 — and less than 10% come knocking on the door. The rest must be recruited.

Anti-war activists such as Murphy charge that to fill their quotas, some military recruiters make promises they can't guarantee, such as money for college or training in a particular specialty, and give misleading descriptions of military life.

Murphy says high school graduates don't need to join the military to learn a skill, pay for college, see the world or learn discipline.


"Poor kids listen to recruiters because they're scared about what's going to happen to them," Murphy says. "They know they need to get out of the neighborhood, but they're afraid to leave the corner. In the military, they know they won't have to make any decisions for four years, and they'll make their parents proud."


http://rncwatch.typepad.com/counterrecruiter/

Also, we see that although there is no "draft", the u.s. still sends a disproportionate number of non-white troops and other poor people to fight (and die) in its wars. The Pentagon's personnel records reveal that in East Harlem in 2004, over 90% of the enlistees into the u.s. military (not including the marines who did not provide sufficient data) were Latino and the percentage of recruits from East Harlem was 15 times higher than that of the wealthy (and largely white) Upper East Side which is located right below East Harlem in Manhattan. In the South Bronx, which has the largest population of Puerto Ricans in New York City, the number of recruits into the u.s. military last year was 38 times higher than that of the Upper East Side. Aggressive recruitment in ghetto schools, combined with advertising geared specifically towards the inner-city "hip hop generation" show clearly that the u.s. military continues to target poor non-white youth to fight its war(s).

Facing an enlistment crisis, the Army is granting "waivers" to an increasingly high percentage of recruits with criminal records -- and trying to hide it...

Through the use of a little-known, but increasingly important, escape clause known as a waiver. Waivers, which are generally approved at the Pentagon, allow recruiters to sign up men and women who otherwise would be ineligible for service because of legal convictions, medical problems or other reasons preventing them from meeting minimum standards...

According to statistics provided to Salon by the office of the assistant secretary of defense for public affairs, the Army said that 17 percent (21,880 new soldiers) of its 2005 recruits were admitted under waivers. Put another way, more soldiers than are in an entire infantry division entered the Army in 2005 without meeting normal standards. This use of waivers represents a 42 percent increase since the pre-Iraq year of 2000...

I have now shown clearly that the poor are targeted to join the US forces and that mainly the poor are used as cannon fodder.

You haven't given any solutions

I don't need to because it's not my responsibility. Don't argue like a 9 year old.


and again you are blaming the people who are trying to rebuild the place

The people who destroyed it in the first place.



, and please provide proof of what you claim, The stories that I get from people who have been there don't match your claims, Terrorist, if not terrorist tell me who is blowing up and destroying the infrastructure now?

Once again: who blew up the civilian infrastructure in the first place - and why?


If they stop would the power and the sanitation be restored? do we have people trying to restore the infrastructure in Iraq right now today?

Going by the last three year's progress I'd have to say I highly doubt it.


if we leave today, will the infrastructure be magically rebuild tomorrow?

What does that have to do with it?


Give us some answers that are practical

Why? I don't have to. It's not my responsibility.


we have been trying to rebuild the infrastructure since the day that we reached and secured Baghdad, do I have to bury you in site proof of project that are taking place to rebuild the country of Iraq? I can do it and you know that I can.

No matter what "proof" you send my way, I can easily go fish out multiple news reports (from Western sources) that quote Baghdad residents who still only have one hour of electricity a day. If you can't fix that in THREE YEARS then you are incompetent....so it's either indifferent or incompetent. Which is it?

Am I right in thinking that I will see butt-pyramid more often from now on?

Shame.

And Bush is a devoted Christian? OMG.

G. F. Schleebenhorst, if you criticize some ones actions you should have a solution to the problem, you love to criticize, but what do you do to help solve the problem? you depend on other people to protect your ass, and then have the gall to tell them that they are doing it wrong? and then don't give any ideas of how you would solve the problem, a coward all the way around, that what you are, no guts, no solutions, and depending on others to protect your sorry ass, and you aren't the only one here who does the same, a bunch of cowards.

New Schools in Iraq,

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1.3 million project to alleviate overcrowding in Iraqi schools
New schools are very important.? Hawar Hamid, the Iraq Project and Contracting Office (PCO) representative, Mike Posovich, program manager with the U.S. ...
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450 schools renovated in Iraq
... provides for the replacement of home-made schools with brand new structures. ... Currently, more than 450 schools throughout Iraq have been renovated, ...
http://www.portaliraq.com/news/450+schools+renovated+in+Iraq__1111199.html
DefendAmerica News - Iraq: Construction Begins on New Schools
11, 2005 — The construction of four brand-new schools for the children of Iraq’s northern-most province, Dahok, began in early January. On Dec. ...
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jan2005/a011105wm1.html
New Primary School Will Help Mold Iraq's Future - DefendAmerica ...
New Primary School Will Help Mold Iraq's Future ... Many schools in Iraq hold classes in two shifts each day. As the class sizes grow to meet the school’s ...
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jan2006/a011106td1.html
Poverty and Turmoil Cripple Iraq Schools
All over Iraq, in the countryside and in cities, the poverty and upheaval ... No new schools have been built since 1991, and there are often 50 students to ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/14/international/middleeast/14LABO.html?ex=1394600400&en=202ddd0766e0048d&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
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Blogs @ Cincinnati.Com: Grandma in Iraq: New Schools in Iraq
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Iraq Reconstruction Update
847 schools providing classrooms for 330000. students. Security &. Justice ... Iraq's new postal code system was introduced the same day the ISC opened. ...
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New federal bonuses go to Ohio teachers. • College tuition, fees up at four-year public schools ... What's Missing From the New Timeline for Iraq ...
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New Details on Pentagon Surveillance of Antiwar Protests on Campuses · Internal military documents released on Thursday provide new details on the ...
http://chronicle.com/news/article/1126/new-details-on-pentagon-surveillance-of-antiwar-protests-on-campuses
Schools Directory
If approved, we'll add it to the Schools Directory and to the Schools list for ... Neutral Zone, New Caledonia, New Zealand (Aotearoa), Nicaragua, Niger ...
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USAID Telling Our Story: Iraq - Schools Renovated for New Semester
Basmah Hassan, 11, smiles as she shows a visitor the newly-painted classroom she’ll have for the new school year. It’sa far cry from the shoddy condition it ...
http://www.usaid.gov/stories/iraq/fp_iraq_schoolalhillah.html
U.S. Has End in Sight on Iraq Rebuilding
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joannejacobs.com: Iraq's new schools
Iraq's new schools. In the Wall Street Journal, Hoover fellow Bill Evers describes his five months as an education advisor in Baghdad. ...
http://www.joannejacobs.com/mtarchives/013690.html

Here are some more site that tell the story on how we are trying to get the power up and how the Terrorist keep trying to interfere in this process, and for all the stories the minimum amount of time that the electricity is on seems to be about 11 hr. a day and that is in only a small section of the country, availability rises from that time frame, so there is far more than on hour a day available.

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ABC News: Electricity Supply Is a Charged Issue in Iraq
We are mindful that when people report that their availability of electricity is ... Nationwide, Iraq receives on average 9-15 hours of electricity per day. ...
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ABC News: Fourth Installment of "Where Things Stand" in Iraq
By many measures, the availability of electricity has improved in Iraq over the past year — though reliability remains a problem, and throughout the country ...
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqWhereThingsStand/story?id=1378209
US aims to boost electricity in Iraq - 04 Dec 2004 - World News
WASHINGTON - The United States hopes to boost the availability of electricity throughout Iraq to at least 18 hours a day by the end of next year from 11 to ...
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Audit
combined to hold down Iraq’s oil exports and the availability of electricity. To achieve. overall victory in Iraq, the current Administration’s strategy ...
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Engineers Put 202 Megawatts on Iraq Electrical Grid in August
Linkage between a safe and secure Iraq and the availability of electricity prompted the multi-national effort that began in 2003 to restore the country’s ...
http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/history/Engineers%20Put%20202%20Megawatts%20on%20Iraq%20El ectrical%20Grid%20in%20August.htm
Media Matters - NBC's O'Donnell uncritically reported Bush's ...
The State Department's April 2006 Section 2207 Report on Iraq Relief and Reconstruction estimated nationwide prewar electricity availability in Iraq at ...
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"The availability of electricity is governed not only by planned and unplanned maintenance, ... Security remains a huge challenge to reconstruction in Iraq. ...
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Bush acknowledged the high level of violence in Iraq as he sought to reassure ... when asked about "the availability of electricity in your neighborhood. ...
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Statement by U.S. Senator Ron Wyden Calling for Congress to Vote on Iraq ... OIL PRODUCTION, HOUSEHOLD FUEL AVAILABILITY, AND ELECTRICITY PRODUCTION ARE ...
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In an unclassified summary Bowen said that these factors are working together to hold down Iraq's oil exports and the availability of electricity. ...
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Program Review Board
The total effect of this funding request will be to increase reliability and availability of electricity for Iraq while at the same time lowering the per ...
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Iraq Electricity News - Energy Industry Today
Kim's people. They show the availability of electricity. The South is ablaze in light, while ... and keep our other 70 percent in Iraq. ...
http://energy.einnews.com/news/iraq-electricity
Reuters AlertNet - U.S. says attacks cost Iraq $16 bln in oil exports
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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28375111.htm
Deltoid » Good electricity news from Iraq
... and availability figures (obtained from the Brookings Institution’s Iraq index. ... The electricity situation in Iraq was the subject of an NPR feature ...
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United for Peace : The Grim Recent History of Iraq
11/01 - Brunswick, GA: 2030 more U.S. soldiers will die in Iraq before Bush ... The availability of electricity will be key in determining what happens. ...
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G. F. Schleebenhorst, if you criticize some ones actions you should have a solution to the problem, you love to criticize, but what do you do to help solve the problem? you depend on other people to protect your ass

The "war on terror" has increased terrorism and hatred for Western countries, so, no, the US is in no way "protecting my ass", but in fact is responsible for doing exactly the opposite. Most of the anti-western sentiment that led to the 9/11 attacks in the first fucking place was down to the US.



and then have the gall to tell them that they are doing it wrong? and then don't give any ideas of how you would solve the problem, a coward all the way around, that what you are, no guts, no solutions, and depending on others to protect your sorry ass, and you aren't the only one here who does the same, a bunch of cowards.

I was just waiting for "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us".

You're an idiot.

Go drive your pickup truck into a cow.

We aren't being fair here. Let people have thier say, no one is an idiot!

I just feel Buffalo is a bit biased because he was in the army. He should be mad, because years of his life were wasted for no reason, to help "his country". When in fact he should be helping the world not his country.

Schools are being built all across Iraq, yea thats more important than anything to the Bush administration. I'd do the same thing, I'd get people on my side in a long term view.


I fear that we won't be able to revolt in the upcoming future against his sick ways, for there will be guns in school (Which was BEING considered believe it or not) and the Torture bill will be expanded to mean well what ever bush wants it to mean. A "combatant", in the physical sense (i.e. totting guns) or psychological (Questioning Bush, or comparing him to a terrorist) Which btw I think he is, by the way he ran his terror-consumed-ad http://youtube.com/watch?v=F5L8hfrUWig). Bush can spin it like nothing.

G. F. Schleebenhorst, the war on terror has increased terrorism? when did the Moslems start their war? and how has our finally taking them on increased the terror? when was the last successful attack on the Western Nations? and yes you are a coward, because all you can do is bitch and moan, like a Sheila on the rag.

No Businesswiz, what I'm mad about is that the democrats when they were in power developed the yellow rabbit cut and run disease, and have screwed up the thinking of how a war should be run, all they have done in the last decade is provide sound bite's that support the defeat of the U.S., I don't agree with how the war is being run, for what ever G.F. thinks, If I had a chance to talk with the President, I would advise him to ignore the liberals and go for broke, and I would start a sweep from the south to the north, and systematically dismantle any militia, and terrorist along the way, I would not worry about anything until I had accomplished what I wanted, I would black out the news, and any camera that wasn't invited and imbedded with the troops would be confiscated, and the person running it would be in detention until the war was done, that is how it was done in WWII, and nothing has changed in combat that negates the lessons of WWII, it all the new ideas of how war's are to be fought that are not working, it when you forget the principals of warfare that have been developed that you screw thing up, as I say all to often it the over educated idiots that think they have something new that screw thing up and in the end find out that there is value in the tried and true, and the best warfare method going is combined arms assault, and you don't let up until you have things the way you want them, no if's and's or but's.

I have now shown clearly that the poor are targeted to join the US forces and that mainly the poor are used as cannon fodder.
You haven't shown shit. You note that the majority of recruits in East Harlum are minorities! Big surprise. You then compare those recruitment levels with the levels of a bunch of liberal city dwelling whites. Those guys are mostly not very patriotic. It's the rural areas and the south that contributes most US volunteers. Here's some actual statistics of the overall racial/income level among US recruits. A much more useful statistic than the racial makeup of recruits in an area with no whites!!!
In summary, we found that, on average, 1999 recruits were more highly educated than the equiv*alent general population, more rural and less urban in origin, and of similar income status. We did not find evidence of minority racial exploitation (by race or by race-weighted ZIP code areas). We did find evidence of a "Southern military tradition" in that some states, notably in the South and West, provide a much higher proportion of enlisted troops by population.

The household income of recruits generally matches the income distribution of the American population. There are slightly higher proportions of recruits from the middle class and slightly lower proportions from low-income brackets. However, the proportion of high-income recruits rose to a disproportionately high level after the war on ter*rorism began, as did the proportion of highly edu*cated enlistees.

recruits tend to come from mid*dle-class areas, with disproportionately fewer from low-income areas. Overall, the income dis*tribution of military enlistees is more similar to than different from the income distribution of the general population.

In 1999 and 2003, the recruits generally mirror the percent distribution among the population, but the pattern shows clearly that there were fewer recruits from the poorest quin*tile of neighborhoods[4] (18.0 percent) and fewer from the richest quintile (18.6 percent) in 1999. In 2003, however, only 14.6 percent of military recruits came from the poorest quintile, whereas the wealth*iest quintile provided 22.0 percent. Enlistments from wealthier areas surged, resulting in a 3.4 per*centage point upturn. The middle-class quintiles (the third and fourth wealthiest areas) consistently provided disproportionately high numbers of sol*diers in both year groups. (See Chart 1.

The plain fact is that the income distribution of recruits is nearly identical to the income distribu*tion of the general population ages 18–24.

The demographic data on race reveal that mili*tary enlistees are not, in fact, more heavily recruited from black neighborhoods. http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-08.cfm

No Businesswiz, what I'm mad about is that the democrats when they were in power developed the yellow rabbit cut and run disease, and have screwed up the thinking of how a war should be run, all they have done in the last decade is provide sound bite's that support the defeat of the U.S., I don't agree with how the war is being run, for what ever G.F. thinks, If I had a chance to talk with the President, I would advise him to ignore the liberals and go for broke, and I would start a sweep from the south to the north, and systematically dismantle any militia, and terrorist along the way, I would not worry about anything until I had accomplished what I wanted, I would black out the news, and any camera that wasn't invited and imbedded with the troops would be confiscated, and the person running it would be in detention until the war was done, that is how it was done in WWII, and nothing has changed in combat that negates the lessons of WWII, it all the new ideas of how war's are to be fought that are not working, it when you forget the principals of warfare that have been developed that you screw thing up, as I say all to often it the over educated idiots that think they have something new that screw thing up and in the end find out that there is value in the tried and true, and the best warfare method going is combined arms assault, and you don't let up until you have things the way you want them, no if's and's or but's.


Well there are more I's there in your comment than democracy would allow for in my opinion, where the majority counts.

It is the educated idiots who contributed anything to society.

Warring peoples only bring death and destruction, they envision temporary defeat and glory, not realizing that what they are defeating are themselves! We are all human are we not? are we not quiped with extraordinary brains, unlike animals who kill eachother?

Is that what you are comparing yourself to? An animal? I think you need to stand back and rethink what you just said.

You haven't shown shit. You note that the majority of recruits in East Harlum are minorities! Big surprise. You then compare those recruitment levels with the levels of a bunch of liberal city dwelling whites. Those guys are mostly not very patriotic. It's the rural areas and the south that contributes most US volunteers. Here's some actual statistics of the overall racial/income level among US recruits. A much more useful statistic than the racial makeup of recruits in an area with no whites!!!

This paper doesn't show at all who is actually doing the fighting. Read it again. If you want to prove something do it properly.

Races:
While blacks are 20% of the military — compared with 12% of the U.S. population

However, blacks don't seem so gullible as poor white trash:

Blacks, especially in the enlisted ranks, tend to be disproportionately drawn to non-combat fields such as unit administration and communications. They are underrepresented in jobs shooting rifles or dropping bombs.

Who is doing the frontline fighting for the US though?

"If anybody should be complaining about battlefield deaths, it is poor, rural whites," says Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University in Illinois.

Note the word poor.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-01-20-army-usat_x.htm



http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0315,ridgewar1,43169,6.html

when was the last successful attack on the Western Nations?

Every day in Iraq?

I would black out the news, and any camera that wasn't invited and imbedded with the troops would be confiscated, and the person running it would be in detention until the war was done.
You want the war to be fought with a total news blackout? What are you trying to hide?

Nick

you are onto something here

buffalo what are you saying...An embedded journaist is virtually worthless propaganda, obviously they will not be able to report the whole picture.

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I had a chance to talk with the President, I would advise him to ignore the liberals and go for broke, and I would start a sweep from the south to the north, and systematically dismantle any militia, and terrorist along the way, I would not worry about anything until I had accomplished what I wanted, I would black out the news, and any camera that wasn't invited and imbedded with the troops would be confiscated, and the person running it would be in detention until the war was done, that is how it was done in WWII, and nothing has changed in combat that negates the lessons of WWII.

WWII didn't involve assymetric warfare with clandestine enemies and Iraq isn't an intercontinental world war. Christ, I thought you were in the army.
Any sweep from south to north would result in increased terrorist presence in the regions forces are not. Any move into a particular area by US forces will be useless because the insurgents will simply fade into the ether. Where they do fight, they will not assemble in a concentration great enough for any useful blow to be struck.
Nice idea to detain journalists and hijack the media, though. Nothing stunts a democracy like a free press.

it when you forget the principals of warfare that have been developed that you screw thing up, as I say all to often it the over educated idiots that think they have something new that screw thing up and in the end find out that there is value in the tried and true

Grab your lance, jump on your charger and assemble your forces in an open field, then.
- Weren't the over-educated idiots the ones who said things like "stay the fuck out of there" and "what about post-war?"?
- Doesn't history show that counter-insurgencies are doomed to failure?

Not all of them....