For anyone effected, you have my sympathies. Hopefully Bush does a better job cleaning this one up than he did katrina

Why was it Bush's responsibility? Aren't there state and federal agnecies in place to do that? What does Bush have to do with it???

I feel really bad for those people. Tornados, especially at night, are scarey as hell.

Didn't you know everything is W's fault? :rolleyes:

Not orleander's chlamydia.

Not orleander's chlamydia.

:p look at that, I did spell it wrong. dork (and we all know what that is)

Damn it.

What?

They will get what they asked for.

The tornadoes in Kansas are known to suck houses and pubescent teenage girls up in them and deposit them in far-off lands with witches and fairytale creatures.

They'll get you and your little do too, if you're not careful!

~String

For anyone effected, you have my sympathies. Hopefully Bush does a better job cleaning this one up than he did katrina


5 days notice and and they sat on their ass's until it was up to their roofs, and its Bush's fault, Ray School Bus Nagan, the school bus's aren't good enough to evacuate New Orleans, so let them drowned, and run in circles scream and shout, and Governor Blanco, some one had to tell her that She had to request the Federal Government to come to the States aid so it would be legal for them to do so, some silly little thing in Federal Law the Posse Comitatus Act


Guess who lead the charge in getting that act passed? the Southern States, after the Civil War.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement police or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (States, their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states.

And its all Bush's fault.

yeah, I don't have much sympathy for them either. Then to rebuild in the exact same place??? WTHell!?

Umm who exactly made FEMA a minor part of Homeland secrity rather than standing in there own right and able to make there OWN decisions?

If they knew 5 days BEFORE it hit that it was going to be a national crisis why didnt they declare a national disaster (or whatever the federal rulling is) BEFORE it hit, start to move federal assests into place BEFORE it hit?

Hell disaster planing here takes place YEARS before the fire hits, The goverments all get themselves into action to deal with the damage before the fire is even out. Look at the fires on Kangroo Island? The largest portion of the Island was burnt out and yet its up and running again already. Look at the clean up after the cyclone in Brisbane? Look at ANY disaster that happens here and see how fast the SES, Army, St Johns, Salvation army, Red cross, ect are mobilised. Look how fast the money flows from the State and Comonwealth goverments

Its a matter of HOURS not Months. It was a discrase what happened and maybe it wasnt bush's fault but he is the one whos door the goverments poor responce must fall just as if it happened here it would fall on the office of the PM

...If they knew 5 days BEFORE it hit that it was going to be a national crisis why didnt they declare a national disaster (or whatever the federal rulling is) BEFORE it hit, start to move federal assests into place BEFORE it hit?...

because the state said they had it under control. The mayor said he had his town well taken care of. Everything was in place. Then it all fell apart.
They didn't count on the levy breaking. They didn't count on criminals roaming the streets and shooting at helicopters.

There is not 1 group in control. It was several layers of groups who failed in their responsibility, including the citizens on NO.

Its amazing how you know so much about it in Australia.

Umm who exactly made FEMA a minor part of Homeland secrity rather than standing in there own right and able to make there OWN decisions?

If they knew 5 days BEFORE it hit that it was going to be a national crisis why didnt they declare a national disaster (or whatever the federal rulling is) BEFORE it hit, start to move federal assests into place BEFORE it hit?

Hell disaster planing here takes place YEARS before the fire hits, The goverments all get themselves into action to deal with the damage before the fire is even out. Look at the fires on Kangroo Island? The largest portion of the Island was burnt out and yet its up and running again already. Look at the clean up after the cyclone in Brisbane? Look at ANY disaster that happens here and see how fast the SES, Army, St Johns, Salvation army, Red cross, ect are mobilised. Look how fast the money flows from the State and Comonwealth goverments

Its a matter of HOURS not Months. It was a discrase what happened and maybe it wasnt bush's fault but he is the one whos door the goverments poor responce must fall just as if it happened here it would fall on the office of the PM


Asguard, guess what they do those drills all the time, and again look up the Posse Comitatus Acts.

It is against Federal Law for a Federal Agency to enter a State and start enforcing State Laws, even State Disaster Laws, with out the State Doing the Proper Procedures to bring the Federal Agency in and allow them to operate legally, that is why they have Disaster Drill so every body knows what and when they are suppose to do what, the State of Louisiana didn't implement the plan, they by federal law, the Posse Comitatus Act, have to request and give permission for the Federal Agency to enter the State and start enforcing any part of the Law Structure involved in Disaster Relief.

What a silly idea, "oh we didnt get the paperwork so thousands die". God i HATE red tape.

What a silly idea, "oh we didnt get the paperwork so thousands die". God i HATE red tape.

No it is a Legally Defined Law, and the States are suppose to hold disaster drills so that every body know what their responsibility is, and what their proper actions need to be, you love to shove the law as you see it down everybody throat, well this is the Law, and laws have to be honored and obeyed, and in the U.S. the State has to request by law that Federal Resources enter the State in a emergency, it is the same for every state in America, every State knows the Laws, and the way that the Plans must be put into action.

California had no problem receiving Federal Aid during the Fire's, Why? because they implemented the Disaster Plan as it was suppose to be done, they requested the aid at the proper time, and everybody knew what and when they were suppose to do what was required, They followed their Disaster Drills.

What a silly idea, "oh we didnt get the paperwork so thousands die". God i HATE red tape.

ps: the paper work can be done later, all she had to do was make the request verbally.

there is a HUGE difference between laws that help and those that hurt. Those sort of mestakes are exactly why the coronor recomended the Cambera fire service be ablolished and intergrated into the NSW fire service. So that help can be dispached by the a simple call over the radio rather than a govermental decision. The more integration the better and maybe it was the fault of the state govonor. Why is the place STILL a mess? Why was FEMA so inefective when dispached? These are the questions that needed to be asked. Who lost there job over it? That sort of thing here would at the very LEAST lose the emergency services minister his job, possably the premura or the PM there jobs and could actually cost a party goverment. Who paid for that and why are things STILL not sorted out? (im sorry if they are, im basing that on the occasional bitching by people in the US here)

We had a little bit of good news today in TN. Some rescue workers were searching a field of debris about 100 yards away from a demolished home, and came across what they initially thought to be a doll - until the doll started crying.

It was a baby that had been swept out of its home and landed in the field nearby. Alive, and in relatively good shape, considering. Unfortunately, the mother died in the storm. But nonetheless, a reminder to never give up home in a dreadful situation. Pray for the little one.

I herd about that child. Poor kid:(

there is a HUGE difference between laws that help and those that hurt. Those sort of mestakes are exactly why the coronor recomended the Cambera fire service be ablolished and intergrated into the NSW fire service. So that help can be dispached by the a simple call over the radio rather than a govermental decision. The more integration the better and maybe it was the fault of the state govonor. Why is the place STILL a mess? Why was FEMA so inefective when dispached? These are the questions that needed to be asked. Who lost there job over it? That sort of thing here would at the very LEAST lose the emergency services minister his job, possably the premura or the PM there jobs and could actually cost a party goverment. Who paid for that and why are things STILL not sorted out? (im sorry if they are, im basing that on the occasional bitching by people in the US here)

Google up, ( Louisiana's history of corruption ) and start reading.

yeah, I don't have much sympathy for them either. Then to rebuild in the exact same place??? WTHell!?

/agreed.

they had PLENTY of warning. Those with common sense left, those without didn't. for the most part it was an improvement on society.

/agreed.

they had PLENTY of warning. Those with common sense left, those without didn't. for the most part it was an improvement on society.

Yeah, everyone can move out and should when asked to. No excuses for poor people without resources or the ability for conflict resolution. America is for the rich! Kill the poor!!!

Yeah, everyone can move out and should when asked to. No excuses for poor people without resources or the ability for conflict resolution. America is for the rich! Kill the poor!!!
While I agree with the principle of your statement, if moving out/away when asked means saving your life, poor or not, get the fuck out!

What happened to all those people in Indonesia back in 2004 when they did not heed the tsunami warnings?

While I agree with the principle of your statement, if moving out/away when asked means saving your life, poor or not, get the fuck out!

What happened to all those people in Indonesia back in 2004 when they did not heed the tsunami warnings?

When you live in a place where storms and tornados are commonplace and several warnings have happened before, you tend to take stuff less seriously. Especially if you've ridden out a few and don't have the capability to comprehend degree.

Plus from other readings, I find people always expect the government will be there to bail them out if things get really bad. The residents of New Orleans have learned otherwise, but even then, the next time it happens, there will still be those who ignore warnings. Its human nature.

When you live in a place where storms and tornados are commonplace and several warnings have happened before, you tend to take stuff less seriously. Especially if you've ridden out a few and don't have the capability to comprehend degree.
Sam, some of those tornadoes touched down less than 15 miles from my house. I wouldn't say that we don't have the capability to comprehend degree; we just understand that something like this can happen, and understand the damage that something like a tornado can cause. We don't like it, but we've come to understand it and embrace it.
Tennessee's death toll from these tornadoes as of yesterday was 31.
Some very similar situations are:
-Californians living out there even under the constant thread of wildfires, earthquakes and mudslides
-Floridians under annual threats of devastating hurricanes
-Italians living in Naples at the base of Vesuvius

Tennessee's death toll from these tornadoes as of yesterday was 31.

Plus from other readings, I find people always expect the government will be there to bail them out if things get really bad. The residents of New Orleans have learned otherwise, but even then, the next time it happens, there will still be those who ignore warnings. Its human nature.
I wouldn't expect the government to bail me out, but I would expect a little assistance (i.e. help us help ourselves, not do it for us) from the state and federal government. Believe me, if I had the time to volunteer for rescue and/or clean up/rebuild, I'd be out there in a second.
PLUS...tornadoes/thunderstorms are primarily a spring/summer weather system. These tornadoes in the middle of February are a rarity.

Yeah, everyone can move out and should when asked to. No excuses for poor people without resources or the ability for conflict resolution. America is for the rich! Kill the poor!!!
Relax SAM, they're mostly white poor people.

Kill the poor!!!
excuse? i AM the poor. I moved across the country with $200 to my name and worked my ass off to stay afloat. (excuse the pun) I've since moved back home and spent 3 months doing random jobs to make enough money to keep my car from being repoed until i could find a real job. Do you know the difference between poverty and being poor in America? A poor person has little money, but works to provide for their family and create their own opportunities. "Poverty" however, is pity term used be lazy welfare absorbing parasites that have no motivation to make anything of themselves as long as someone else is willing to hold their hand and pat them on the head for being so brave through the injustices of our society. BS. By some stroke of luck, Katrina destroyed a poverty-rich city, unfortunately it was only enough to hit a small number of states.

When you live in a place where storms and tornados are commonplace and several warnings have happened before, you tend to take stuff less seriously. Especially if you've ridden out a few and don't have the capability to comprehend degree..

ever heard of a tornado shelter?
you know.. that safe place you go underground to stay safe?
the ones they have in those states where tornadoes have heavy paths?

ever heard of a hurricane shelter? oh thats right,.. burrowing underground in a hurricane wouldn't work so well. thats why you evacuate. :rolleyes:

excuse? i AM the poor. I moved across the country with $200 to my name and worked my ass off to stay afloat. (excuse the pun) I've since moved back home and spent 3 months doing random jobs to make enough money to keep my car from being repoed until i could find a real job. Do you know the difference between poverty and being poor in America? A poor person has little money, but works to provide for their family and create their own opportunities. "Poverty" however, is pity term used be lazy welfare absorbing parasites that have no motivation to make anything of themselves as long as someone else is willing to hold their hand and pat them on the head for being so brave through the injustices of our society. BS. By some stroke of luck, Katrina destroyed a poverty-rich city, unfortunately it was only enough to hit a small number of states.

I assume you speak for everyone in New Orleans. If you had no problem, they shouldn't either. So tell me, what happened to those who did move? Where are those refugees?

http://www.pr-inside.com/un-official-compares-katrina-s-displaced-to-r390524.htm

ever heard of a tornado shelter?
you know.. that safe place you go underground to stay safe?
the ones they have in those states where tornadoes have heavy paths?

ever heard of a hurricane shelter? oh thats right,.. burrowing underground in a hurricane wouldn't work so well. thats why you evacuate. :rolleyes:
It wouldn't work too well during a tsunami or volcanic eruption either. Haha.

I assume you speak for everyone in New Orleans. If you had no problem, they shouldn't either. So tell me, what happened to those who did move? Where are those refugees?
Quite a bit of them went to San Antonio and Houston. So far both of those cities have absorbed them pretty well.

I assume you speak for everyone in New Orleans. If you had no problem, they shouldn't either. So tell me, what happened to those who did move? Where are those refugees?

http://www.pr-inside.com/un-official-compares-katrina-s-displaced-to-r390524.htm

you also assume that i was in NO to begin with. i wasn't.
the city moved to however, did host many refugees from NO as they had sister companies, and encouraged those who had worked at the NO companies to work for them.

in reference to your link.. again, do you read them before your post or just assume that everyone shares your skewed perspective:

"Federal officials deny that evacuees have received inadequate aid, noting that billions of dollars have been spent to house hurricane victims in apartments, trailers and homes.
Since Katrina hit, the government has spent more than $7.7 billion on housing for about 1.4 million households, according to figures from the Office of the Federal Coordinator for Gulf Coast Rebuilding.


in case you didn't understand, let me sum this up. here are the two views demonstrated in the article:

your beloved refugee: i lived in an area constantly abused by hurricanes with an inability to save enough money from my welfare to form an escape plan and no desire to work to move out or improve my current conditions. Now the government will only give me enough money for necessities and that just not enough for me to live comfortably on so i want want want more and more.

office of the Federal Coordinator for Gulf Coast Rebuilding: We've spent billions and billions trying to help you. Have you ever considered helping yourselves?

your beloved refugee: no thats what the government is for, i free-ride off other people's taxes (since i don't actually work) and want their taxes to pay for my entire life.

:rolleyes:

...Plus from other readings, I find people always expect the government will be there to bail them out if things get really bad. The residents of New Orleans have learned otherwise, but even then, the next time it happens, there will still be those who ignore warnings. Its human nature.

And that's what happened. They didn't think they needed to leave because shelters had been set up. The most disasterous being the Super Dome. It was the local and state gvmt that screwed up not George Bush.

Seriously, I don't like the guy but I'm rabid about it. He's not responsible for every bad thing in the US. You might as well say no one in America is accountable for anything cuz George did it.

you also assume that i was in NO to begin with. i wasn't.
the city moved to however, did host many refugees from NO as they had sister companies, and encouraged those who had worked at the NO companies to work for them.

in reference to your link.. again, do you read them before your post or just assume that everyone shares your skewed perspective:

"Federal officials deny that evacuees have received inadequate aid, noting that billions of dollars have been spent to house hurricane victims in apartments, trailers and homes.
Since Katrina hit, the government has spent more than $7.7 billion on housing for about 1.4 million households, according to figures from the Office of the Federal Coordinator for Gulf Coast Rebuilding.


in case you didn't understand, let me sum this up. here are the two views demonstrated in the article:

your beloved refugee: i lived in an area constantly abused by hurricanes with an inability to save enough money from my welfare to form an escape plan and no desire to work to move out or improve my current conditions. Now the government will only give me enough money for necessities and that just not enough for me to live comfortably on so i want want want more and more.

office of the Federal Coordinator for Gulf Coast Rebuilding: We've spent billions and billions trying to help you. Have you ever considered helping yourselves?

your beloved refugee: no thats what the government is for, i free-ride off other people's taxes (since i don't actually work) and want their taxes to pay for my entire life.

:rolleyes:


Do you know what happened to the trailers they spent billions on?

Do you know what happened to the trailers they spent billions on?

yeah, anyone who could prove they needed one, got one. Some are still living in them and if you want, you can buy it for a bit over $1100. I think there were more trailers made then were needed, but then a lot of people stayed in TX and didn't come back to rebuild.

I'm sure the tornado victims will be using those trailers now.

*clap*
*clap*
*clap*
well said orleander

Do you know what happened to the trailers they spent billions on?

do you?

you like to post the ongoings of the middle east from your high horse as a local with the first hand knowledge and i think a lot of us, or at least myself, gives you that benefit since after all, as you like to point out over an over again what could us common Americans ever possibly understand about the ongoings of a country we don't live in and realistically know so little about?

just how does it feel when the door hits one on the ass?

yeah, anyone who could prove they needed one, got one. Some are still living in them and if you want, you can buy it for a bit over $1100. I think there were more trailers made then were needed, but then a lot of people stayed in TX and didn't come back to rebuild.

I'm sure the tornado victims will be using those trailers now.
agree with Dr Lou. not a better way to say it.

yeah, anyone who could prove they needed one, got one. Some are still living in them and if you want, you can buy it for a bit over $1100. I think there were more trailers made then were needed, but then a lot of people stayed in TX and didn't come back to rebuild.

I'm sure the tornado victims will be using those trailers now.

Good luck to them is all I say.

House Panel Defends FEMA Trailer Whistle-blower
February 07, 2008 01:16 PM ET | Permanent Link

The House Committee on Science and Technology is demanding that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cease what appears to be retaliatory actions against the whistle-blower who brought attention to the threat of long-term exposure to formaldehyde in government-supplied trailers for hurricane victims.

In a letter dispatched to Julie Gerberding, director of the CDC, and Howard Frumkin, administrator of the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, Chairman Bart Gordon expresses concern that the agency may have retaliated against Christopher DeRosa for "blowing the whistle on ATSDR's conduct." Gordon declares: "We will not tolerate retaliation against any whistle-blowers."

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/02/07/house-panel-defends-fema-trailer-whistle-blower.html

do you?

you like to post the ongoings of the middle east from your high horse as a local with the first hand knowledge and i think a lot of us, or at least myself, gives you that benefit since after all, as you like to point out over an over again what could us common Americans ever possibly understand about the ongoings of a country we don't live in and realistically know so little about?

:rolleyes:

just how does it feel when the proverbial door hits one on the ass?


I usually make claims based on information I already possess. So my experience of the above is limited.:)

agree with Dr Lou. not a better way to say it.
I was joking actually. I was referring to how Orleander has the clap, it was a play on words. Sorry.

it interests me that you cite a source more interested in pushing the blame than one regarding any actions taken or any reactions to the issue.

also from your source:
Many victims of Katrina and Rita have lived in FEMA trailers for more than two years.

well then, they get to feel as sick about it as i do. so all is fair.

edit to add:

honestly think about this. if a person cannot figure out how to provide for them selves in two years, will they ever? should we instead pay for them? should they be allowed to leach forever? should we actually encourage them to procreate by ensuring their health?


Dr. Lou:
Its not nice to kiss and tell.

Yes, long term exposure. The trailers weren't made for them to live forever in. It just turned out that way. This hadn't happened before so I don't think they exactly planned on it. Most people take advantage of teh programs offered to them and get back on their feet.

So these people were given a free trailer to live in temporarily, they didn't go find other housing and now there are health issues that they want to sue the gvmt for. <sigh>

When there is a disaster in India, does that gvmt give people a new house to live in? Does our gvmt really have to give these people a new trailer?

it interests me that you cite a source more interested in pushing the blame than one regarding any actions taken or any reactions to the issue.



Heh, you get it. Finally.

When there is a disaster in India, does that gvmt give people a new house to live in? Does our gvmt really have to give these people a new trailer?

No, the people chip in with food, clothing and money and within a short time, everyone's life returns to abnormal. :)

and that's what used to happen here. But then the gvmt stepped in to help.
It really depends on the people. Those poor people that got hit by the tornado will have rebuilt long before the Katrina hit people, who are still living in the gvmt trailer bitching about what they don't have and how everyone has forgotten them and how the gvmt doesn't help them.

and that's what used to happen here. But then the gvmt stepped in to help.
It really depends on the people. Those poor people that got hit by the tornado will have rebuilt long before the Katrina hit people, who are still living in the gvmt trailer bitching about what they don't have and how everyone has forgotten them and how the gvmt doesn't help them.

When I said the people, that also means the government. The government is also the people with the added responsibility of taking charge of giving the right aid at the right time in such circumstances. Any natural disaster and the people expect the Governer and Chief Minister to be intimately involved, from getting people out to getting them help, medical, emergency shelters, food, clothing. We don't have the technology to do as much but no one would dream of keeping people within their state lines at gunpoint or leaving them to fend for themselves. That was the worst part I think about Katrina, that the tsunami was handled better than the hurricane was. No respect for life.

The every man for himself philosophy so prevalent in your culture is something I fail to comprehend.

...That was the worst part I think about Katrina, that the tsunami was handled better than the hurricane was. ....

agreed.

Heh, you get it. Finally.
get that i don't really care if the trailer s are portentially harmful or not? show me where ome died from one, and then we can play some more blame game. The government wasn't put in place to childproof the world and make everything in it harmless.

No, the people chip in with food, clothing and money and within a short time, everyone's life returns to abnormal.
if my neighbor or friend of a friends friend for that matter had a house fire and no where to live, i would offer the extra room i don't really have, and all the food in my cupboard and any necessities i might be able to give. But a welfare poster child with no morals, respect or contribution to society? no thanks. no one feeds a parasite on purpose. (well, besides the democrats)

get that i don't really care if the trailer s are portentially harmful or not? show me where ome died from one, and then we can play some more blame game. The government wasn't put in place to childproof the world and make everything in it harmless.


if my neighbor or friend of a friends friend for that matter had a house fire and no where to live, i would offer the extra room i don't really have, and all the food in my cupboard and any necessities i might be able to give. But a welfare poster child with no morals, respect or contribution to society? no thanks. no one feeds a parasite on purpose. (well, besides the democrats)

Sorry, my mistake. You don't get it.

The every man for himself philosophy so prevalent in your culture is something I fail to comprehend.

nor do you.

nor do you.

Nope, I could never get this

if my neighbor or friend of a friends friend for that matter had a house fire and no where to live, i would offer the extra room i don't really have, and all the food in my cupboard and any necessities i might be able to give. But a welfare poster child with no morals, respect or contribution to society?

When I see someone drowning, I don't ask for a character certificate to see if they are worth saving.

When I see someone drowning, I don't ask for a character certificate to see if they are worth saving.
And apparently you also can't tell the difference between a drowning person and a person living off government money for two years with no interest in changing the scenery in the near future. no wonder you're confused.

And apparently you also can't tell the difference between a drowning person and a person living off government money for two years with no interest in changing the scenery in the near future. no wonder you're confused.

Yeah, I come from a Third World country. What do I know of corruption?:D

But I used your own words. You would help only those in whom you have a vested interest or somone close to them.

That alone explains why two years later there are no refugees in Indonesia.

Apparently everyone in your country thinks like you and would rather explore the morals of the refugees than resolve their conditions.

If you throw money at people, it does not solve their problems.

Yeah, I come from a Third World country. What do I know of corruption?:D

But I used your own words. You would help only those in whom you have a vested interest or somone close to them.

That alone explains why two years later there are no refugees in Indonesia.

Apparently everyone in your country thinks like you and would rather explore the morals of the refugees than resolve their conditions.

If you throw money at people, it does not solve their problems.

Yes you have it so bad in the third world, you go to the U.S. for your education, and then repay the courtesy by backstabbing the generosity of the Americans who let you use their school system to get a education that you couldn't get in your own country.

Yes you have it so bad in the third world, you go to the U.S. for your education, and then repay the courtesy by backstabbing the generosity of the Americans who let you use their school system to get a education that you couldn't get in your own country.

Is that what you said in the PM to Nightfall? :)

Yeah, I come from a Third World country. What do I know of corruption?:D
but i thought you wanted the US to leave the middle east alone, you're doing just fine over there? isn't that what you said? you're better off without us, so apparently its not THAT bad on your side.

But I used your own words.
so did i :)

You would help only those in whom you have a vested interest or someone close to them. no, i pointed out your over-dramatization that doesn't reflect our conversation at all.

That alone explains why two years later there are no refugees in Indonesia. ive never been to Indonesia, but somehow i doubt that its full of people expecting to never have to work and demanding a handout for every necessity in life.

Apparently everyone in your country thinks like you and would rather explore the morals of the refugees than resolve their conditions. no they don't. some people love the fuzzy warm feeling they get by funding a crack head's habit. somehow, i just don't feel good about it.

If you throw money at people, it does not solve their problems. you are absolutely correct. So then what do you say to the welfare families refusing to work and demanding the government pay for them? thats money dear. thats all they want.money and life for free.. please go on.. continue to defend the trash some more.

but i thought you wanted the US to leave the middle east alone, you're doing just fine over there? isn't that what you said? you're better off without us, so apparently its not THAT bad on your side.

I'm not Middle Eastern. I just lived there for a while. :rolleyes:





so did i :)
no, i pointed out your over-dramatization that doesn't reflect our conversation at all.

ive never been to Indonesia, but somehow i doubt that its full of people expecting to never have to work and demanding a handout for every necessity in life.

no they don't. some people love the fuzzy warm feeling they get by funding a crack head's habit. somehow, i just don't feel good about it.

you are absolutely correct. So then what do you say to the welfare families refusing to work and demanding the government pay for them? thats money dear. thats all they want.money and life for free.. please go on.. continue to defend the trash some more.

If more people think like you, your country will go downhill even faster.:shrug:

I'm not Middle Eastern. I just lived there for a while.
yes, we all know. I didn't think you were actually referring to India.

If more people think like you, your country will go downhill even faster not to fear, the democrats will keep us as socially governed as possible. The idea of building a life from hard work is just not as appealing as living off the hard work of others.

yes, we all know. I didn't think you were actually referring to India.

not to fear, the democrats will keep us as socially governed as possible. The idea of building a life from hard work is just not as appealing and living off the hard work of others.

I see Buffalo is keeping you in the loop. He must need recruits badly. :D

so ANYWAYS.....
There's no such thing as tornado insurance is there?
I know in NO you had to specifically have flood insurance or it wasn't covered. Lots of people said it wasn't the flooding, it was the wind, but they were still SOL. I read some people went back almost immediately and set their houses on fire and got the insurance that way.

so ANYWAYS.....
There's no such thing as tornado insurance is there?
I know in NO you had to specifically have flood insurance or it wasn't covered. Lots of people said it wasn't the flooding, it was the wind, but they were still SOL. I read some people went back almost immediately and set their houses on fire and got the insurance that way.

Seems odd the company would pay for arson.

Its hard to prove arson on a house that isn't there anymore but under a lot of water.

I see Buffalo is keeping you in the loop. He must need recruits badly. :D

please get your nose out of my private messages.
thats not what your moderator privileges are for.

please get your nose out of my private messages.
thats not what your moderator privileges are for.

I can't see your private messages, I just recognise the Buffalo influence. ;)

His attempt to create groups to flame me has not gone unnoticed, just hitherto uncommented on.

And btw, thanks for confirming my suspicions :D

I can't see your private messages, I just recognise the Buffalo influence. ;)

His attempt to create groups to flame me has not gone unnoticed, just hitherto uncommented on.

And btw, thanks for confirming my suspicions :D

whats interesting, is that buffalo PMed me regarding something completely separate from your conclusion, and before i posted anything at all after talking to him, you referred to him pm-ing me within minutes.

the only thing he DID mention about you, was that you were from india. to which you quickly replied: "I see Buffalo is keeping you in the loop. He must need recruits badly."


sorry, you're full of shit. next time try a little harder not to be so obvious.

Tornados are covered by Insurance, as wind damage.

But most people are underinsured for total loss, but I am still willing to bet that the People in the areas that were hit will be back in their own homes in two years while those in NO are still crying about not getting enough help.

whats interesting, is that buffalo PMed me regarding something completely separate from your conclusion, and before i posted anything at all after talking to him, you referred to him pm-ing me within minutes.

the only thing he DID mention about you, was that you were from india. to which you quickly replied: "I see Buffalo is keeping you in the loop. He must need recruits badly."


sorry, you're full of shit. next time try a little harder not to be so obvious.

Ah my bad, I thought your sudden interest in discussion with me seemed Buffaloesque.

When he popped in, I assumed you were doing a cheek to cheek.

Just premature in my assumption, I see.

Tornados are covered by Insurance, as wind damage.

But most people are underinsured for total loss, but I am still willing to bet that the People in the areas that were hit will be back in their own homes in two years while those in NO are still crying about not getting enough help.

You know it.

You know it.

Solid Insurance for Prudential, and Mutual of Omaha.

Did as a second job to my military career, It didn't interfere with my military duties, The Army always comes first.

Tactical exercises, deployments, C.Q. duties, Field Maneuvers, kind of hard to keep a part time job when you can't give the boss a schedule so he can get some work out of you.

Selling Insurance you can do when you have the time, and the renewals are great, when you get a good enough portfolio the money just keeps on coming in.

Just a side commentary:

The people in New Orleans did not really have much warning - the exact path of the hurricane was not fixed until a couple days, at most, before landfall. If everyone in the possible path of that hurricane had left, the entire seaboard would have had to have been sheltered somewhere for weeks.

The local and state governments reacted poorly and were overwhelmed, but that is exactly what FEMA was supposed to have prevented - and FEMA was supposed to have done much more than it did immediately afterwards. W&Co were very much at fault for the very poor federal level organization and response.

Compare, for example, the FEMA handling of the Red River floods in '98. Three states and a province of Canada directly involved, hundreds of square miles flooded including a couple of small cities for many days, nursing homes and hospitals isolated and drowned, failure of many residents to evacuate despite plenty of warning, etc. - all handled. The National Guard was rolling at the first trouble, there were pictures of Guardsmen carrying the old folks through waist deep icewater, they had maps and rescue priorities and a plan of action - that was all organized by FEMA in advance. The border and jurisdiction stuff was all taken care of in advance, the necessary pemissions secured in advance, everything ready.

The Feds had more warning of Katrina than anyone else, not even counting the years of advance notice and the wakeup call from the nearby hurricane the year before - the path of Katrina was going to take it to land somewhere in the US, and no local government can handle a major hurricane very well unaided.

People talk about the ingrates leaching off government aid - what about the sweetheart deals given to cruise ship lines and hotels and rebuilding contractors in an unplanned panic and corrupt aftermath ? The ice trucks and other absurdities spread all over the country ? The hundreds of millions thrown away on Fed-favored contracting ?

Apparently the Fed plan was to have everyone leave by car once the probable landfall was fixed - and go where? hard to say. They tried, the ones who could scrounge cars - that was quite the traffic jam. And thousands tried walking out, until the government stopped them at gunpoint.

So we all hope the Feds do better with these tornadoes - and since local response hasn't been overwhelmed by such comparatively small events, there's less reliance on federal level execution anyway.

Im baffled that you think govermental responcibility ENDS at providing a trailer. what about REBUILDING!!!!!!!!!!

Thats what the army was out doing after the cyclone in queensland, rebuilding houses

rebuild what? The gvmt is supposed to rebuild private property?

yes, if thats what is needed and they dont have insurance to rebuild the whole thing. Caravans are not a solution they are a tempory mesure until the builders move in. Or would you rather have millions more homeless????????

I guess here we expect people to get a job, an apartment, and put their life back together. The gvmt gave aid, helped people move, offered college/re-education plans, etc.

The people still living in those trailers have no one to blame but their own lazy butts. Watch how fast the tornado victims rebuild compared to the Katrina ones.

And how long should people sink money into a decaying, termite infested, sinking city?

If its impossable to rebuild the city because of the flooding maybe the goverment should BUY the land BACK and releace NEW land for the city. Wow thats radical isnt it

I know towns have moved before, especially if they are in a flood plain or there is a dam going in.
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1997/vp970811/08090782.htm
Its been done before, but not on such a large scale.

well maybe this needs to be done here if the town is so vulnerable but only a GOVERMENT can do that because the land goes from whatever it was worth to zero over night. The goverment either has to build a new city and then exchange land for house and land in the new city OR it has to pay above what would be market prices to the people so THEY can go and build new house and land. This is a MAJOR project and only the goverment has that sort of capital. Actually that could well be a good thing for the US ecconomy at the moment. Talk about stimula to build a whole new city

The people still living in those trailers have no one to blame but their own lazy butts. Watch how fast the tornado victims rebuild compared to the Katrina ones. Most of the Katrina victims have recovered by now.

So let's compare apples to apples: let's see what proportion of the tornado victims that lost their home and every physical possession that would not fit in a large suitcase, entire neighborhood, relatives' homes, and workplace, had no insurance, lost all their financial and personal records (addresses of letters of recommendation, etc), face several months delay in seeing basic city services restored to the region they lived, were put up in trailer houses at least 150 miles from their former abode and miles from the nearest job in their line of work without a car, and either made physically ill by their new circumstances or already had some kind of disability (age, illness, etc), recover within two years.

Deal! You keep track of that ok. Give us a report in 2 years.

Most of the Katrina victims have recovered by now.

So let's compare apples to apples: let's see what proportion of the tornado victims that lost their home and every physical possession that would not fit in a large suitcase, entire neighborhood, relatives' homes, and workplace, had no insurance, lost all their financial and personal records (addresses of letters of recommendation, etc), face several months delay in seeing basic city services restored to the region they lived, were put up in trailer houses at least 150 miles from their former abode and miles from the nearest job in their line of work without a car, and either made physically ill by their new circumstances or already had some kind of disability (age, illness, etc), recover within two years.

Have you ever seen what is left after a Tornado is done with a house? a apartment complex? guess what it is mostly destroyed, your record are gone, shredded, washed away, blown across three counties, as a home owner if you have a mortgage, you are required to have insurance, and guess what most of those who rent are in the same fix, as those in New Orleans, no insurance, and that is by choice, lost all their financial and personal records (addresses of letters of recommendation, etc) personnel pictures.

Hell look at the pictures of the California Fire, those people had insurance, why because they chose to have it JIC,<JUST IN CASE< Murphys Law, shit is going to happen when you can least afford it.

The only one who is really going to care about your problems with personnel attention and concern is YOU, take responsibility or sit and wait and see how much get done.

Flood insurance is your responsibility, I live in a flood plain, and guess what I have flood insurance, I pay for it out of my own pocket, because I owe some money in mortgage, and I couldn't afford to build my house again out of pocket, so I have insurance.

Three months ago there was a fire in my sons apartment complex, I had kicked his ass to carry renters insurance, and guess what, all of his loss were covered, his friends and neighbors, well they had some ruff times recovering from the loss of property, and having to rent new places, my sons cost fro rent were covered under his insurance, and he is now back in his apartment, and any items lost have been replaced, and it cost him the deductible, $500.00, New TV, Stereo, Nintendo, (or what ever they call the system now)
Washer, Dryer, Bed and Bed Room Suite, carpet, vacuum, the only thing that he couldn't replace because of the deductible was his Library of books, oh that reminds me they even replace his CD's and DVD's, and computer.

Have you ever seen what is left after a Tornado is done with a house? Like my neighbor's, back a few years ? Yeah. It's peanuts compared with what Katrina did. Katrina took out a whole city.

We just helped pick up the debris, they moved into their kid's house across town while the insurance rebuilt the place, they took a week off of work to chase paperwork and contractors, they didn't even lose their home phone number.

Their employer was still there. Their relatives' house was still there nearby. Their insurance agent and bank were still in business. Their life hit a pothole, is all.

No comparison.
Deal! You keep track of that ok. Give us a report in 2 years. First you have to find at least a couple of tornado victims in that position. I can't. Far as I can discover, hardly anyone even lost both their job and their housing - let alone all their relatives' and friends in the same position.

Like my neighbor's, back a few years ? Yeah. It's peanuts compared with what Katrina did. Katrina took out a whole city.

We just helped pick up the debris, they moved into their kid's house across town while the insurance rebuilt the place, they took a week off of work to chase paperwork and contractors, they didn't even lose their home phone number.

Their employer was still there. Their relatives' house was still there nearby. Their insurance agent and bank were still in business. Their life hit a pothole, is all.

No comparison.
First you have to find at least a couple of tornado victims in that position. I can't. Far as I can discover, hardly anyone even lost both their job and their housing - let alone all their relatives' and friends in the same position.

Yes you are so understanding aren't you, your neighbor lost a house, nothing like the Big Easy, bull shit, the reason that so many in the Big Easy are sucking hind tit waiting on the government to bail them out is, that is where they were when this started, in the Pot Hole from the beginning, sitting on the front porch, waiting for the welfare subsidence check.

The had become so lazy and dependent on the government, that they couldn't even make the decision to save their own lives of those of their families.

Substinance Check:

subsistence

noun

1. the quality of having timeless or abstract existence.

2. minimal (or marginal) resources for subsisting; "social security, welfare, provided only a bare subsistence"

3. A means of subsisting, especially means barely sufficient to maintain life.